Who else thinks Seymour is underrated as a villian??

seymour and kuja are my two joint favorite villians of all of Final Fantasy!!

Seymour was such a manipulative cunning bastard. When I found out he killed his father I was pissed. Especially when you confront him about it and he just shrugs it off and says "What of it?"

he may not have caused the most destruction like other FF villians but he had charisma and he was just soo easy to hate, and thats what I think makes a good villian :)

what do you say??

not many people like Seymour as a villian but him and Kuja are both joint #1's for me

I think the concept of Seymour was awesome - a vindictive half-Guado like he is - and his storyline was great, his role in the plot great, all that. But then his damn outfit and his voice made him just.... eh. I think he gets knocked down a few notches in awesome-villain-ness by his bizarre appearance and voice.

It can be argued that Kuja and Sephiroth and such are bizarre looking too, but they're appearance is actually more toned down than Seymour's. Bizarre, yes. But not to the scale of Seymour's bizarre-ness.

Plus, Seymour's outfit always gave the illusion of a pot-belly.

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really? i thought his gay voice and sexual ambiguity (OK not sexual i guess because he married Yuna but you kno what i mean) in general just made him even more creepy

I really didnt like his name
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He wasn't bad, I just don't think of him as the main villain. I'd have liked to see the scene where he reveals the whereabouts of Jecht to the rest of the party cranked up a notch, though xD

He was bland. Even before he died, he had zero personality. He was an annoying nonentity who should never have been written into the game.

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Originally Posted by blackmage_nuke

I really didnt like his name
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Same here. Seymour was a really lame name for a villain. He shares his name with the geek from Little Shop of Horrors.

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Originally Posted by blackmage_nuke

I really didnt like his name
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Same here. Seymour was a really lame name for a villain. He shares his name with the geek from Little Shop of Horrors.

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Dont forget about Fry's dog from Futurama

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He wasn't the best villain, but he certainly is a really good and underated one. However, I have to agree with Jess, he doesn't really seem like the main villain because he doesn't feature too much after the first half of the game and when (SPOILER)you find him inside Sin I was like "...Uhhh, that's kinda random." I think even SE underated him because they didn't use him tho his full potential by side-lining him a bit.

But all in all he was underrated and a really good villain.

Square didn't exploit Seymour's full potential.
still better than Vayne and better it appears than the last boss in FFXIII.:roll2

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Originally Posted by Clo

Plus, Seymour's outfit always gave the illusion of a pot-belly.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...10-seymour.jpg

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This.

I have to say I liked Seymour a lot.

Seymour is possibly my favorite Human nemesis in all of FF. I just wish the other encounters with him were as hard as the one on Mt. Gagazet.

I dunno, the one on the Highbridge got me quite badly on my first playthrough. I might have been kinda under-levelled though...

I think he's one of the more sympathetic -- or at least understandable -- villains. His motives for wanting to destroy Spira were very misguided, but sort of made sense. He'd felt lots of pain from losing his mother, and he didn't want the rest of Spira to keep facing similar pain. So he thought that by becoming Sin, he could stop it.

Again, very misguided, but I can sort of get what he was driving at.

>>> I`ll give him points for (SPOILER)killing all those Ronso at the Gagazet- Mountain..:luca:

IMO he was credible both story- and appearance-wise. His outfit fits in with other high-class people in Spira, like Braska for example.

Whilst he is not in my top 3 he is still a great villain, and having control of Anima helps.

He was alright... A little annoying to be honest though. Kind of weird having a villain hitting on the main heroine, but hey whatever makes it unique!

Battles against him were okay, for me nothing too memorable really. Seymour is just one of those guys you forget. Except the blue hair.

His voice-over was great, but very, very grating at the same time. Battling him is easy once you figure out which strategy to use. :p

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Originally Posted by Clo

Plus, Seymour's outfit always gave the illusion of a pot-belly.

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This.

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I agree!

He wasn't the best villain around..

Nowadays after playing FF VII, most of the people out there will agree that anyone that dun have silver hair, wear something black, go around hacking random people with a super long sword isn't a good villian. :bigsmile:

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Originally Posted by Clo

I think the concept of Seymour was awesome - a vindictive half-Guado like he is - and his storyline was great, his role in the plot great, all that. But then his damn outfit and his voice made him just.... eh. I think he gets knocked down a few notches in awesome-villain-ness by his bizarre appearance and voice.

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100% agreement here. The point where you finally get to see Jyscal's recording still sends chills down my spine. The voice for him could have definitely been better, but I would've still preferred them to get somebody better than James Taylor to voice Tidus.

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Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF

Seymour is possibly my favorite Human nemesis in all of FF. I just wish the other encounters with him were as hard as the one on Mt. Gagazet.

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Ugh, yeah. I was attempting to do the no sphere grid challenge up until that point where I was forced to level up with the sphere grid because there was just no way I was beating him. I didn't have enough stuff to mix with Rikku. :(

I thought his monologues were epic and was generally very cool and twisted, but his plot became somehwat unspectacular.

And he looked like a twat, so I couln't take him seriously.

I actually really liked Seymour as an enemy actually, probably one of my favorites.

Seymour was a fun villian to fight, I just... didn't like his hair.

His design is all over the shop. He didn't look or sound intimidating at any point during the game. Plus he is just a summoner. Summoners are pansies.

I didn't think he was underrated at all. He was hard! :(

Don't send him in [Sin] because you don't fight him there - or at least not send him - and let him absorb Yu Yevon and control Yu Yevon at the end to because the ultimate creature in Final Fantasy X which will be fought at the end and you have a perfect Final Fantasy X main antagonist. THEN, when he is defeated as the real main villain, he can be sent and regret what he did and disappear as some good guy (which happens in Final Fantasy X even though he is not really shown as "Hey, I have become a good guy again." at the end, but at least he seems to regret what he did and accepts that Yuna sends him), after his battle as final boss. And not to forget, you destroy Yu Yevon together with him since Seymour controls his powers, et cetera. This would be better than what actually happens to Seymour and what happens during the final battle and during the ending of Final Fantasy X.

EDIT: That post really is not hard to read.

^That post is hard to read.
I'm so so with Seymour like most other FF villains. I agree he made a more lasting impression on me than Vayne did. Yeah he did sort of looked like he had a pot belly too. He could've been done better by his appearance on Gagazet and especially inside Sin he grew less important plot wise. He was the only FF villain that married the main female so I have to give props for that as well. I forgot the reason for the marriage, but I don't think it was just because he found her attractive. It had to be more than that.
Overall, he was just ok.

His name is Seymour... What is he going to do? Miscalculate your taxes and make the IRS audit you? On second thought that is kind of scary...

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Originally Posted by Depression Man

I forgot the reason for the marriage, but I don't think it was just because he found her attractive. It had to be more than that.

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(SPOILER)His ultimate goal is to control Sin. He wanted her to use him as the Final Aeon, that way he could take Jecht's place.

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Originally Posted by kriminal99

His name is Seymour... What is he going to do? Miscalculate your taxes and make the IRS audit you? On second thought that is kind of scary...

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LOL

He was an ok villain.

I agree with MILF that the Mt. Gagazet battle was extremely annoying and probably the most difficult storyline boss in the game (possibly with the exception of Yunalesca). I found that I really enjoyed the boss battles against Seymour, but was relatively indifferent to him as a villain. I mean, in terms of his role in the story, I certainly found his motivations and plan to be exciting enough to keep me interested, but the overall feel of him didn't leap out to me like others. I much preferred FFIX's Kuja in that respect.

One thing I will say about Seymour though is I liked the dynamic with Yuna, that by being able to say no to Seymour and work against him allowed her to really show her strength of character and independence. His theme music and other motifs were quite creepy and done very well, while his character design I could take or leave really.

I was really disppointed to see Ject in Dissidia instead of Seymour. Jecht was never a real villain! But it goes to show that maybe, Seymour didn't make enough of an impact on the fans.

Personally, I think it's because he didn't have any real connection with the game's protagonist, Tidus. Look at the other main villains of the series: Kefka, controlling Terra. Sephiroth, used to work with Cloud, both injected with Mako etc. Kuja is Zidane's "brother". Seymour...... has no real connection with Tidus at all.

I didn't like Seymour, his voice got on my nerves, it just felt... wrong.

It was more creepy than menacing. But FFX had some dubious voice acting all round...

I never liked anything about Seymour. I didnt like his look, his voice, his boss fights, his religion, nothing!!!! There are plenty better villains in the FF series, but I guess in this case you can't hold that against Seymour since FFX had an entire religion against you so his part wasnt center of attention a lot of the time.

After (SPOILER)you kill him in the Macalania Temple I pretty much forget about him after that. Then when he pops up later, I'm all like "Who the hell is this?!......ohhhhh.......riiiight."

What I don't get is how the party didn't get he was evil until when they fight him, I agree with the Spoony One when he asks if Seymour has to have a lightning cloud following him for them to get it that he's evil!

We only thought he was evil because of the creepy music that comes up when he's around.

The characters cant hear that music.

Not just his music, listen to conservation between him and Auron, the fact that he summons a powerful aeon at the Luca stadium that wipes out the fiends, I as the player knows right away I'm gonna later fight that, but shouldn't the party think with something like that, shouldn't he go on a pilgramage? And there's just an aura about that even if I turned off the music, I could look at how he's acting and say "I'm fighting this guy later."

As far as his name goes I never really just heard 'Seymour' I always heard 'Seymour Guado' or whatever his full name was. I liked how he looked, I liked his battles I just didn't like how he just kind of disappeared. I had expected him to come back for some sort of final battle or something, but it never happened on as grand a scale as I was hoping. :\

I've always had a thing for tragic villians, and Seymour fit that particular role quite well. Furthermore, he was manipulative and charming in a sinister manner, which made for some great scenes and conflicts throughout the game's storyline.

>>> People hate him because unlike the other FF villains, Seymour was a weakling..:luca:

I dislike him too for the same reason..

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Originally Posted by mashowasho

I was really disppointed to see Ject in Dissidia instead of Seymour. Jecht was never a real villain! But it goes to show that maybe, Seymour didn't make enough of an impact on the fans.

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One could argue that that (SPOILER)because Jecht became Sin and was blowing crap up that he was the main villain. Not to mention Tidus pretty much cried about how Jecht didn't hug him enough as a kid and wanted to beat him up throughout the entire frickin' game. :|
I personally thought Jecht deserved the role more, partially because I thought he was awesome and also because Seymour just... eh we already have Yuna as a summoner do we really need two from the same game?

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Originally Posted by black orb

>>> People hate him because unlike the other FF villains, Seymour was a weakling..:luca:

I dislike him too for the same reason..

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Do you mean that he was weak in the gameplay or in the storyline? I think he was portrayed as a particularly adept Summoner and spell caster, but he had a lack of support during battle, and it is rather underwhelming to fight off Seymour when it is literally 7 seasoned warriors against 1 person.

Seymour was a pretty good vilian imo, but more of a sinister and mindful villian rather than a over powered destroy everything type of villian (Sin). But yeah i never got why people dislike him so much as a villian.

seymour was an alright villian not really to sure on kuja but it sephiroth has to be the ultimate baddie

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Originally Posted by dambaz

seymour was an alright villian not really to sure on kuja but it sephiroth has to be the ultimate baddie

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I actually think that Seymour is a better villain than Sephiroth because I never really understand his reasoning or drive as a villain in away that I could relate to. Seymour on the other hand is doing it for reasons that I could actually identify with.

But maybe that's just me. It probably is. :jess::jess:

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Originally Posted by kriminal99

His name is Seymour... What is he going to do? Miscalculate your taxes and make the IRS audit you? On second thought that is kind of scary...

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Or sing a musical duet entitled Suddenly Seymour.

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Originally Posted by dambaz

seymour was an alright villian not really to sure on kuja but it sephiroth has to be the ultimate baddie

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I actually think that Seymour is a better villain than Sephiroth because I never really understand his reasoning or drive as a villain in away that I could relate to. Seymour on the other hand is doing it for reasons that I could actually identify with.

But maybe that's just me. It probably is. :jess::jess:

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It definitely isn't, as much as I dislike the funkeh design they gave him he was a great villain. When he just Did that thingKilled off all the ronso and became a stupidly annoying/challenging boss I realized how good of a villain he was.
Sephiroth on the other hand... well he has a cool sword :erm:

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Originally Posted by kriminal99

His name is Seymour... What is he going to do? Miscalculate your taxes and make the IRS audit you? On second thought that is kind of scary...

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Or sing a musical duet entitled Suddenly Seymour.

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Or star in Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman.

Or have the last name Butz.

I agree with Rabbit on the Run. Seymour's motives were pretty good in comparison to Sephiroth. It made him seem twisted and deranged especially when he(SPOILER)killed his old man and obliterated the Ronsos on Mt. Gagazet.

IMO, he's (almost) up there with Kefka with his craziness. The only difference is that people don't think he's crazy is because he has purpose and reason for his actions, whilst Kefka just did what he did without a solid reason. Still Kefka is the best villan though.

As a villain, Seymour Guado intrigues me. He doesn't fit the mold of the typical RPG villain. His appearence is bizarre to be sure(from the stiff, hair antennae on his head, to wispy nature of his voice, to the odd "potbelly illusion" outfit), and while he has some of the sophistication of Kuja, he possesses something different and unique. He was off...in a Sweeney Tood sort of way(the harmonies in the musical sometimes sound off, but in actuality musically they aren't and they lend to the "off humor" of the story). For example, the way that Seymour's soft and almost delicate speech juxtaposes the rigidity of his character design.

Furthermore, his motives as a villain are understandable and he has been made relatable but not overly sympathetic(like villains who have over the top tragic pasts, like Hannibal Lecter in Hannibal Rising, which in turn actually downplays the realism of their situation).

Unlike the OP, I did not get pissed off when (SPOILER) Seymour killed his father. The man sent his wife and child into exile because he couldn't live up to the responsibility of what he did(which was to commit a Guado taboo and marry and mate with a human). This in turn caused his wife to sacrifice herself so her son could live, and be forever at his side as a tortured representation of her spirit(Anima). Can you imagine the years of solitude Seymour endured, living with the knowledge that his father was ashamed of his existence and that his mother and died because of it? You can easily see why Seymour was motivated to do what he did and, while you don't necessarily condone it, you understand it. I think the game's writers missed a big chance with this character--they could have given him a redemption story towards the end of the game where he realized that Yuna's method would truly relieve the suffering in Spira, OR he could have been written into the final battle as becoming apart of Sin, as opposed to just--I don't know, what was he doing? Controlling Sin from it's stomach?

So I do agree: Seymour Guado is an underrated villain and character. And he is underrated chiefly because people don't know what to make of him. To me, this makes him intriguing.

Now that I think about it, he and Kuja do have a lot in common. They both have weird motives in their respective stories. They are both ultimately not the final villain, they both wear funny clothes and they are both sexually ambiguous. For sure, Seymour married Yuna, but how many gay man marry just to pretend? Same with Kuja, he courts Garnet through most of the game, they never marry, and he could have alterior motives, such as Eidolons for example. I personally enjoyed Kuja as a villain more, I felt he was much more cruel and evil than Seymour was and had a nicer appeal to him, maybe because he fancied theatre, like I do. Seymour was just devious and mentally unhealthy "let's kill everyone and destroy the world, because everybody is suffering, so we'll end their suffering"...

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Originally Posted by LunaRaven

As a villain, Seymour Guado intrigues me. He doesn't fit the mold of the typical RPG villain. His appearence is bizarre to be sure(from the stiff, hair antennae on his head, to wispy nature of his voice, to the odd "potbelly illusion" outfit), and while he has some of the sophistication of Kuja, he possesses something different and unique. He was off...in a Sweeney Tood sort of way(the harmonies in the musical sometimes sound off, but in actuality musically they aren't and they lend to the "off humor" of the story). For example, the way that Seymour's soft and almost delicate speech juxtaposes the rigidity of his character design.

Furthermore, his motives as a villain are understandable and he has been made relatable but not overly sympathetic(like villains who have over the top tragic pasts, like Hannibal Lecter in Hannibal Rising, which in turn actually downplays the realism of their situation).

So I do agree: Seymour Guado is an underrated villain and character. And he is underrated chiefly because people don't know what to make of him. To me, this makes him intriguing.

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To a point, I get what you're saying. But there's only so much you can understand and forgive about him. I mean, sure he killed his father because of all you said, fair enough, I probably would too, but what he did after was what made him the true villain. Kill a bunch of Ronso, endanger Luca with the fiends, kill Kinoc and force Yuna to marry him.. All these things, plus his ultimate plan of becoming Sin so that he could "stop Spira's suffering" are what made him detestable and unforgivable. True, like any villain should be, but you can't really say he had a motive for all of it, the same way he had a motive to kill his father, these were just pure evil I thought..

Kuja called Garnet beautiful, but I don't remember him every courting her.

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Originally Posted by LunaRaven

As a villain, Seymour Guado intrigues me. He doesn't fit the mold of the typical RPG villain. His appearence is bizarre to be sure(from the stiff, hair antennae on his head, to wispy nature of his voice, to the odd "potbelly illusion" outfit), and while he has some of the sophistication of Kuja, he possesses something different and unique. He was off...in a Sweeney Tood sort of way(the harmonies in the musical sometimes sound off, but in actuality musically they aren't and they lend to the "off humor" of the story). For example, the way that Seymour's soft and almost delicate speech juxtaposes the rigidity of his character design.

Furthermore, his motives as a villain are understandable and he has been made relatable but not overly sympathetic(like villains who have over the top tragic pasts, like Hannibal Lecter in Hannibal Rising, which in turn actually downplays the realism of their situation).

So I do agree: Seymour Guado is an underrated villain and character. And he is underrated chiefly because people don't know what to make of him. To me, this makes him intriguing.

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To a point, I get what you're saying. But there's only so much you can understand and forgive about him. I mean, sure he killed his father because of all you said, fair enough, I probably would too, but what he did after was what made him the true villain. Kill a bunch of Ronso, endanger Luca with the fiends, kill Kinoc and force Yuna to marry him.. All these things, plus his ultimate plan of becoming Sin so that he could "stop Spira's suffering" are what made him detestable and unforgivable. True, like any villain should be, but you can't really say he had a motive for all of it, the same way he had a motive to kill his father, these were just pure evil I thought..

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He never forced her to marry him... he just gave her an offer he knew she wouldn't refuse.
His motives are.... confusing at best.
Quite frankly, he probably had quite a rough childhood considering his upbringing and the racism that followed with it.
Followed by his mother dying I'd assume he'd be super shaken up.
This caused his motives which Auron describes as the spiral of death.
Really, I can't make much sense of his motives myself... I just love him because fighting him is a blast and his theme is amazing.
Final Fantasy X Soundtrack: Seymour Battle Theme - YouTube

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Yes, I know I just made a complete 180 from my earlier post. I no longer agree with what I said earlier, shut up.

Boobs, Kuja called Garnet repeatedly my Canary and so on. Maybe it was because he knew she liked theatre as much as she did, but i thought that was courting. I think Square only designed him to be androgenous to follow on the last villain's footsteps, I don't think they intended him to be gay, the same way Kuja was gay.
There's this arguable video on youtube about gay characters in FF, one of which is Zell, which is obviously not gay (he likes the library girl :D), but then again he's also passionate about hotdogs, so i guess we'll never know if he had a crush on Seifer or not ahahaah

Back on topic, can we all at least agree that Seymour's motives are confusing at best. One thing that I do know is that he is not the game's ultimate villain. In my opinion the game's ultimate villain is Yu Yevon and his daughter Yunalesca along with him, Sin just happened to be in the way

I never thought Kuja was gay.

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I never thought Kuja was gay.

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Some people do because of his flamboyant outfit and manner. You have to admit that the way he puts his finger up to his mouth after "killing" Garland in Terra is a bit suspicious.

Kuja was a Narcissist. He didn't love anybody, expect himself. Cid said it on the boat that he was and he's right. He abducted a pretty girl < Cid's wife > and all he did was rant and express and boast about his plans on taking over the world. Him calling Garnet a canary is him imagining fantasises of romance and beauty, which is a sign of Narcissism. From Wiki on Mental illnesses ---

• Taking advantage of others to reach their own goals
• Exaggerating their own importance, achievements, and talents
• Imagining unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power, intelligence, or romance
• Becoming jealous easily
• Lacking empathy and disregarding the feelings of others
• Being obsessed with oneself
• Pursuing mainly selfish goals
• Becoming easily hurt and rejected
• Appearing unemotional

All of them are Kuja. He's not gay because he's flamboyant or loves and enjoys the theatre. Baku and Zidane enjoy the theatre and they are not clearly gay. Don't stereotype. Him putting his finger his mouth is the game showing that Kuja is enjoying or rather showing pleasure in what's going on.


On the Topic of Seymour Skinner couldn't take him seriously sorry. Thought that he was a huge joke and still do today. Go back to your Mother's house Skinner or go back to the War and be a solider again, stay away from FF.