Tell me, if a post is posted and no one reads it is it still a post?
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Tell me, if a post is posted and no one reads it is it still a post?
Discuss.
Ashley! :love:
A post that no one reads is still a post because "and people have read it" is not in any definition of "post" that I know. Otherwise the post I am making now would not be a post until the first person reads it, which is absurd.
If a post is made on a forum, and nobody has the authority to run a SELECT query on the database, is it still a post?
Why must the good die young? :cry:
Yes, because all of Raistlin's posts still count, don't they?
Only on days that are not thursday :p
If a man speaks his mind in the middle of a forest, and no woman is around to hear him, is he still wrong?
Berkley.
Nobody reads my posts.
That statement answers your question.
No. :mad2:
Dividing by zero is step 3.4 to getting the answers you all seek :p
DO NOT READ THE SPOILER TAG
(SPOILER)Let's find out shall we?
I saw your warning and ignored it :monster:
I ATE THE LAST COOKIE or maybe it was your kitten.
Why am I the first one to reply to this awesome thread?
Edit: Seriously, guys. This is ridiculous.
Because you have everyone else on ignore
I think the bots and lurkers read this, they read everything. But it all depends on your target audience. :bigsmile:
Can I be the target audience? :bigsmile:
The answer is yes. Why wouldn't it be?
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Originally Posted by Mo-Nercy
I didn't click on the tag. Also it does sound fun to experiment :bigsmile:
But you still quoted it so you'd be aware of the contents of the spoiler tag :monster:Quote:
Originally Posted by qwertysaurQuote:
Originally Posted by Mo-Nercy
I didn't click on the tag. Also it does sound fun to experiment :bigsmile:
And now, so am I :monster:
If a tree falls down in a forest and no one is there to hear it, it makes a sound. This is because hearing it is not what causes the sound, but the vibration that's caused when it hits the ground.
And if you want to have audio proof of that, you can put a video recorder next to where the tree falls and record the sound. Nobody has heard the recorder yet (and thus nobody has heard the tree at the time it fell), so to find out if the tree made a sound then you get the recorder play it back.
But by that logic any form of vibration or physical movement is called 'sound'. Me stretching my arm into the air would be a "sound" since it's just the start of a very very low frequency vibration. A tree falling in a forrest makes a vibration, but is a vibration a sound if it is not heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
I answered that question with my post. =]
If you move your arm fast enough past your ear, you'll hear a sound. So it's right in that stretching your arm into the air would cause (not "be", if we're being pedantic) a sound, just a very small one that most people wouldn't hear. In fact, some sounds aren't heard by people at all. But yes, a sound all the same. That's why there are dog whistles. We can't hear them, but the vibrations exist, and it turns out dogs can hear them. It would be silly to dismiss something as soundless just because we don't hear it.
But how do I know which tree is gonna fall, Daniel? It could be decades until a tree falls near a recorder I've put in the forest, by which time it has surely been ruined by rain and moose trampling, unless I put out like 500 recorders in forests everywhere! I can't afford that many recorders, Daniel! And it would take so much time to listen through them!!!
Set it up with a mechanism. :)
If no one else is going to post, then I'm going to doublepost. So, there.
Or a Pie chart.... mmmm Piiiie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
You could make pie charts out of the trunk! Many of them! 3D pie charts!
I hate this philosopical stuff :nonono:
But by the logic of "it's a vibration, then it's a sound" the movement of any matter even the arm itself would be considered sound. After all the "sound" of the tree falling is vibration of air. Sound can travel through solids as very tiny vibrations, moving my arm is simply making the vibration very big and very slow and therefore by Kentarou's original logic of "if it falls in the forest it still makes a vibration therefore it still makes sound" since moving my arm is a vibration it is "sound". Thats why the only way to define sound is if it is heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Also if you record it then the recorder is recording the vibrations not the sound, and when you play it back then the recorder is making the sound, not the tree
Ah! Touché, if you are going to go by technicalities, I suppose you could say that it is only sound when you directly sense it. But what is the sound that the recording is making? Is it not the sound of a tree falling?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackmage_nuke
From what I understand, sound requires three things... source, medium, receiver. Now, what if the receiver is not a being, but a microphone or recording? That is still a receiver, therefore it is still a sound. However, then you have to argue over whether or not "no one is there to hear it" can include recorders, microphones etc. Does a microphone technically 'hear' by recording? I don't think it does, but I can't be arsed going into that much detail. :p
Of course, going back to the original point of this thread: A post is a post because it does not need someone to read it for it to reach the definition of a "message board post".
EDIT: A bit more research shows that sound doesn't require a receiver, and therefore, yes, a sound is made when a tree falls even if nothing is there to 'receive' it, be that by hearing, transmitting or recording.
It is the sound of a diaphragm vibrating due to electronic pulses which just so happens to create a sound similar to if you were hearing a tree fall.
But once you claim that sound does not require a reciever we are back to the original problem that sound can be any form of movement of matter, since sound is then just the vibration of a medium, moving matter is just a slower longer vibration of that medium and is thus sound, since the sound being recieved is no longer a criteria
But this is more a discussion of semantics rather than philosophy. Much like molten rock is called magma until it reaches the surface when it is then called lava, i feel that vibrations are only vibrations until they are percieved by an ear when it is then called sound.
I think we agree on the general idea and I definitely agree that it's just a matter of semantics. :)
Hmm, only 2 posts in this thread, all well thanks anyways oddler