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Doug Walker (a.k.a. The Nostalgia Critic) does a really good job at picking apart the Spider-Man Trilogy in this video. Many of the issues that plagued the original Spider-Man franchise are brought up and critiqued...He may sound like a nitpicker, or a "hater" to you, but that's just an excuse not to think about the valid (albeit very critical,) points that he was speaking of.
He pretty much summed up why I disliked Spiderman 2 despite all the critics loving it.
The first two Spiderman films are great, even with the occasional bum note.
My favorite is the time when he denies having a brain tumor, then swings into the side of his nemesis, an armored truck, yelling "FAPPO!"
At first I thought this thread was concerning the comics or overall. Maybe you should add in Movie to the title.
Going back it's a little boring to watch those movies, for me at least. I can agree about the silliness. The screaming girl, the women singing the Spider-man theme song from the 60s. Dock Oc's hospital seen seemed more silly than serious. I also wondered why they put in known actors for the extra roles. I noticed the boy from Losing Isaiah, The girl from Antwone Fisher, I didn't know who that big guy was back then, but he ended up playing in extra segment in The Dark Knight. He was probably in a show or another movie before.
There was also a guy from Mad TV in there on the train too. I did sort of feel that the maintenance man thing was kind of silly and that Gwen Stacy shouldn't haven't been in any of the movies if she wasn't going to be in the first. It just seemed pointless for her to be in Spider-man threee and she was a throwaway character. Venom I was really disappointed with. For a while I had thought that Topher Grace was both Pete and Brock. I think they went out their way to go extra silly because they didn't acknowledge Venom's name, his mannerisms, his body type, they showed his human face more than his symbiote face, he hardly got any screen time, and they killed him off.
I remember someone saying when/after the 2nd film was in theatres that they were going to build up Venom's presence by having Pete get the symbiote suit and tear it off in the bell tower at the end, ending with the symbiote dripping on Brock's shoulder. I admit that I wasn't really feeling the Pete and Mary Jane relationship. Mary Jane was hot enough and it was done poorly to me. Pete's transformation with the clothes and hair and dance scene, that was dumb. I think everyone can agree with that.
I enjoyed the first two back then and semi liked the 3rd one just for the action, but I can't really watch those first two really. It's boring.
Yeah all of the Spider-Man movies are pretty lame. The last quarter or so of Spider-Man II (everything during and after the subway part), the movie which everyone raved over, made me want to stab myself in the eye. And I could've sworn I was the only person in the world who thought that the "AI" behind Doc Oc's tentacles was really, really dumb and forced.
The dance scene of Spider-Man III was definitely the worst part of the series, though. A very close second would be that horrifyingly terrible cooking scene between Mary Jane and Harry.
I disagree with him about William Dafoe as Green Goblin. The problem wasn't Dafoe, who was absolutely perfect for the role, but with the horribly cheesy writing and directing which made him seem just silly.
Why would I talk about Spider-Man comic books when I haven't even read them all? It's impossible to critique something if you haven't laid eyes on it and evaluated it for yourself.Quote:
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Did you pay close attention to what Doug Walker was saying? The man was blaming whoever the hell thought it was a good idea to make the Green Goblin look like a Power Ranger. Walker figured Dafoe turned in the performance that he did because of the stupid-ass suit.
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I seriously doubt the costume had an effect on the acting performance.
Yeah I know that. What made you think that I know about you personally?Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnNintendoNerdWhy would I talk about Spider-Man comic books when I haven't even read them all? It's impossible to critique something if you haven't laid eyes on it and evaluated it for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Depression Moon
I think it's safe to say the dialogue of the scripts ruined the movies. The actual storylines themselves weren't bad -- apart from the horrible sub-plot of Spiderman 3.
As soon as i saw this thread i thought NOSTALGIA CRITIC. Not to sound like a bum boy fan but i agree with every thing he said. Except the part were he said he liked the 3rd movie, i god dam hated it, so much they could have sone with it, and how brilliantly dark it could have been and yet........ it was soo goofy and soo cheesy
Yes it did. Because if you're Willem Dafoe how are you supposed to take your acting job seriously if you look like a smurfing reject from Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers? If you can't see that Dafoe was doing an overacting job on purpose then quite frankly you need glasses. Because you're blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by charliepanayi
If he was overacting on purpose, he probably would have done so whatever the outfit. But I'll obviously have to list 'the costume was rubbish' on my list of reasons for a below-par acting performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnNintendoNerdYes it did. Because if you're Willem Dafoe how are you supposed to take your acting job seriously if you look like a smurfing reject from Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers? If you can't see that Dafoe was doing an overacting job on purpose then quite frankly you need glasses. Because you're blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by charliepanayi
No, no, no, no. You don't get it do you? Dafoe couldn't take his job seriously because he was dressed like a smurfing Power Ranger or like a Power Ranger villian. So Willem purposely put out a hammy acting performance because a serious acting performance and a ridiculous costume don't always go hand and hand, do they?Quote:
Originally Posted by charliepanayiIf he was overacting on purpose, he probably would have done so whatever the outfit. But I'll obviously have to list 'the costume was rubbish' on my list of reasons for a below-par acting performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnNintendoNerdYes it did. Because if you're Willem Dafoe how are you supposed to take your acting job seriously if you look like a smurfing reject from Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers? If you can't see that Dafoe was doing an overacting job on purpose then quite frankly you need glasses. Because you're blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by charliepanayi
But if that explanation is too difficult for you to grasp...Let me put it to you this way, if you're Willem Dafoe and Sam Raimi is making you wear a retarded looking Green Goblin costume, can you in all honesty look at yourself in the mirror while in costume and resist your inclination to overact? Because there's a thin line between overacting, underacting, and just plain acting but thankfully Dafoe comes nowhere near that line. He was just a cliched, overacting, mustache twirling, run of the mill, villain.
Erm, I'm pretty sure he was told to act that way. If he wasn't, they would have called cut and asked him to reshoot but tone it down. He's an actor, he's not going to act differently based on his costume.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnNintendoNerd
Also, I've never been a fan of the Nostalga Critic...now there's an overactor.
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Originally Posted by CropErm, I'm pretty sure he was told to act that way. If he wasn't, they would have called cut and asked him to reshoot but tone it down. He's an actor, he's not going to act differently based on his costume.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnNintendoNerd
Also, I've never been a fan of the Nostalga Critic...now there's an overactor.
That's what's wrong with it, though. Whether you like the Nostalgia Critic or not, he hit the nail on the head when he mentioned that comic book movies are supposed to be movies first and movies for adults for that matter.
Exactly. It's the fault of the writers and director for making it so obnoxiously cheesy in the first place. The costume did not completely alter his acting, and I don't think the Critic was even trying to make that point; you are taking his comments too literally (and if he was saying that, then he's wrong too). The costume is not a serious concern (hell, I didn't even think it was that bad; are you really trying to say a faithful costume would not be silly?). The writing was the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crop
I think Dafoe did about as well as he could under those circumstances.
Dafoe is a brilliant actor and he doesn't seem to do anything half-hearted to me. I th ink he played to part right imo. I think he followed the directors guidance (as an actor should do).Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnNintendoNerdYes it did. Because if you're Willem Dafoe how are you supposed to take your acting job seriously if you look like a smurfing reject from Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers? If you can't see that Dafoe was doing an overacting job on purpose then quite frankly you need glasses. Because you're blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by charliepanayi
I think you're too much of a fan boy dude. He made valid points, but the stuff he said was just an opinion. You take it as the truth.
It is the truth for the most part. The Spider-Man films we got from Sam Raimi were just too jokey and cynical....And how you guys manage to take those Spidey films seriously is something I'll never be able to fully comprehend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Shot
... wha?
SOMEONE GET THIS SMURFING SPIDER OFF ME
JohnNintendoNerd, please refrain from calling other members blind and insinuating that they're stupid because they don't agree with you. We bring our opinions into the mix to make for a good discussion, not to be belittled for them.
Some people, such as myself, enjoy the movies for what they are even though they're silly. I saw the movies, I saw the scenes he pointed out, my opinion remains unchanged. And if I were to change my opinion it wouldn't be because a squeaky voiced film critic pointed out all the things I noticed on my own.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnNintendoNerd
And dancing emo Peter (not the club scene) was the best scene in all three movies combined!
This guy has the most annoying voice in the galaxy. I stopped watching at around the five-minute mark.
I'm just saying that the tone of these Spider-Man movies is very uneven. I mean they're just really silly movies with a lot of funny scenes and a lot of unintentionally funny scenes that borderline self-parody. And Spider-Man 3 was inconsistent too because there was this scene in "Spidey 3," where Betty Brant (the chick with the haircut that's amazingly out of place in these modern times,) is being turned on by "Emo Peter," but then just one scene later Emo Pete was walking the streets of New York and there were a bunch of women who were disgusted by his presence alone. You can't do that in a film if you want to remain consistent.
By the way I've heard much worse voices. I'd much rather listen to Doug Walker's voice than to ever subject myself to Sarah Palin's grating voice ever again.Quote:
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There's a mulit-quote button at the bottom of each post you can use instead of posting consecutively. You can also edit your posts to add in quotes you missed or just add an afterthought.
I think those women were disgusted with Peter for the way he was acting. I'm sure if he broke into dance or acted like a pig in front of Ms. Brant she would have reacted the same way.
Why are we arguing so seriously about something which can't be taken seriously? It's enough to make someone's head hurt. I'm far more interested in seeing the reboot series of films due to come out. I just hope they actually get it right this time.
A point I'm going to make after watching the video in the original post: It isn't hard to take costumed super heroes seriously in films for prime examples of this take a look towards Christopher Nolan's Batman movies, In fact I'll point out a costumed villain in his films even above the brilliant performances by Bale as Batman himself. I am ofcourse giving a massive nod to Heath Ledger's Joker who was all around one of the best performances and most believable performances I've seen in recent years. Something which could explain the reasons why the Spiderman films were "so silly" from an adults perspective could lay in the age ratings given. I know America doesn't really dwell on age restrictions however over here in the UK it's a big deal so lets use british age restriction certificates to prove my point. Comparing the X-men and Spiderman trilogies here, looking over my DVD collection, I noticed Spiderman 2 (and if I recall correctly, my DVDs are on loan to my nephew the others too) are rated as PG or Parental Guidance compared to the X-men films all being rated as 12. Look at the criteria for these age ratings on the page, there's something I would like to quote on the PG page:
Basically Spiderman was a kid's film from start to finish of the trilogy. Not an adult movie like Batman or even X-Men which were rated as 12s.Quote:
Unaccompanied children of any age may watch. A ‘PG’ film should not disturb a child aged around eight or older. However, parents are advised to consider whether the content may upset younger or more sensitive children.
That scene with Doctor Octopus in the operating theatre in Spiderman 2 doesn't seem much like a kid's film to me.
The new Spiderman film is called The Amazing Spiderman apparently. They're just asking for trouble there with a title like that!