Do you want Nolan's Batman to get a sequel trilogy?...

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02-25-2011, 12:04 AM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

Do you want Nolan's Batman to get a sequel trilogy?...

...Provided that The Dark Knight Rises is a success, of course. I don't know about you guys but I think regardless of whether "Rises" is critically and commercially successful or not, they should do a sequel trilogy with a new director either way because if they do another reboot right away audiences might get sick of it rather quickly. So, in the near-future the safest course of action would be to do a sequel trilogy no matter what, but if the audiences around all the world hate The Dark Knight Rises they should just make a few subtle references to the previous movie because a lot of people can easily overlook subtlety.
02-25-2011, 02:07 AM
Boney King

I get the impression that unless Nolan feels there is more story to tell, he probably won't be involved in any Batman films after Rises. In any case, whether or not he's involved is irrelevant to the possibility of further sequels. Those are guaranteed at this point.
02-25-2011, 02:49 AM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by Boney King

I get the impression that unless Nolan feels there is more story to tell, he probably won't be involved in any Batman films after Rises. In any case, whether or not he's involved is irrelevant to the possibility of further sequels. Those are guaranteed at this point.

I'm not talking about Nolan doing a sequel trilogy. I'm talking about somebody else (possibly another talented indy director) picking up where Nolan is gonna leave off and doing subtle references to Nolan's Batman trilogy while at the same time doing his own thing.
02-25-2011, 03:01 AM
NorthernChaosGod

I don't see it being good, so no.
02-25-2011, 04:24 AM
Wolf Kanno

A new director will probably try to do their own thing rather than keep up with any previous mythos. Still, considering the rather positive fan reaction to Nolan's version, it may be years before we see another good Batman film as either

a) most director's might be too intimidated to follow up Nolan's films out of fear of not being able to live up to fan espectaion.

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b) we'll get another talentless hack like Joel Schumacher who will run the franchise into the ground again and force another director to rise years later to bring the series back to it's roots.

Either way, I'm not expecting another Batman movie for a very long time.
02-25-2011, 04:35 AM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod

I don't see it being good, so no.

Well, I don't see another reboot being good because I think audiences might be sick of the whole reboot thing by now. But studios value profit more than anything else so they'll continue to do them until the reboot fad burns itself out!
02-25-2011, 05:55 AM
G13

Who's to say that another Batman movie will be made very soon after this one? Hollywood just might decide to hang back a while before green-lighting another one.
02-25-2011, 06:06 AM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by Guardian XIII

Who's to say that another Batman movie will be made very soon after this one? Hollywood just might decide to hang back a while before green-lighting another one.

Maybe, maybe not...All I know is, I'm not a betting man so I definitely wouldn't bet the farm on that assumption if I were you, guy.
02-25-2011, 06:06 AM
NorthernChaosGod

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Originally Posted by JohnNintendoNerd

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Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod

I don't see it being good, so no.

Well, I don't see another reboot being good because I think audiences might be sick of the whole reboot thing by now. But studios value profit more than anything else so they'll continue to do them until the reboot fad burns itself out!

I don't see how it's a choice between a reboot or sequels. I think after this, Batman should get a damn rest.

Really either route sounds like a horrible idea at this point in time.
02-25-2011, 06:15 AM
Shoeberto

Considering the most recent Spider-man series began in 2001, the most recent of which came out in 2007, and the studios are already doing a reboot, it wouldn't surprise me to see more Batman. Especially with how popular these movies are.

Would they be as good? Hard telling, especially seeing how tragically the Burton Batman series went downhill after he left. Just gonna have to wait and see.
02-25-2011, 06:15 AM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod

I don't see how it's a choice between a reboot or sequels. I think after this, Batman should get a damn rest.

Really either route sounds like a horrible idea at this point in time.

You really think the WB gives a damn about what the people want? They gonna continue making Batman movies regardless because The Dark Knight is their cash cow. And they're all about profit. Big movie studios like the WB and Sony couldn't care less about people like us man, all they want is our money and they're gonna continue to try to suck every last penny out of us!
02-25-2011, 06:53 AM
NorthernChaosGod

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Originally Posted by JohnNintendoNerd

You really think the WB gives a damn about what the people want? They gonna continue making Batman movies regardless because The Dark Knight is their cash cow. And they're all about profit. Big movie studios like the WB and Sony couldn't care less about people like us man, all they want is our money and they're gonna continue to try to suck every last penny out of us!

You realize that what "we" want will usually correlate with what we spend our money on, right?

I honestly see either idea faring horribly, so it would really be just bad business.
02-25-2011, 07:09 AM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod

You realize that what "we" want will usually correlate with what we spend our money on, right?

Well, there are quite a few people who flock to certain types of movies like sheep and the video game movie genre proves it. Personally, I stopped watching films based on video games at the cinema a long time ago but there are still tons and tons of people who keep spending their "hard-earned" money on :bou::bou::bou::bou: like Resident Evil: After Life and thus the major motion picture studios keep making smurfing garbage like that. Anyway I don't WANT anymore video game-to-movie adaptations but apparently the idiots who love the lowest common denominator films do, so I'm over-ruled!!!

Point is, we may not want anymore Batman movies in the near-future but does that mean the movie studios are gonna grant our wish? I doubt it. Because they didn't grant my wish when I wanted them to stop making video game movies. Because apparently the American Idiot community of bad taste, can't get enough of :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty films like BloodRayne.
02-25-2011, 09:20 AM
Bunny

I vote Hollywood takes a break from shoveling out superhero nonsense drivel and deliver a unique story.

Either that integrate porn into everything.
02-25-2011, 03:20 PM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by Bunny

I vote Hollywood takes a break from shoveling out superhero nonsense drivel and deliver a unique story.

Either that integrate porn into everything.

When was the last time that Hollywood had ever done anything that we wanted in the super hero genre before Christopher Nolan came along?
02-25-2011, 11:38 PM
Dreddz

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Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno

we'll get another talentless hack like Joel Schumacher

Show some respect. Thats the man who directed The Lost Boys your talking about.
02-25-2011, 11:42 PM
Bunny

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Originally Posted by JohnNintendoNerd

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Originally Posted by Bunny

I vote Hollywood takes a break from shoveling out superhero nonsense drivel and deliver a unique story.

Either that integrate porn into everything.

When was the last time that Hollywood had ever done anything that we wanted in the super hero genre before Christopher Nolan came along?

Point

You
02-26-2011, 12:10 AM
Psychotic

No. It's great, but too much of a good thing and all that. Nothing ever lasts forever.
02-26-2011, 02:55 AM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno

A new director will probably try to do their own thing rather than keep up with any previous mythos.

Yeah, I know. It's called a reboot and it must be something that comic book fans and movie goers in general, are getting sick of by now.

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Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno

Still, considering the rather positive fan reaction to Nolan's version, it may be years before we see another good Batman film as either, (A) most director's might be too intimidated to follow up Nolan's films out of fear of not being able to live up to fan expectations.

Well, if you're a film director and you're worried about fan reactions, to the point of slavish devotion, you shouldn't be making movies in the first place. Because at the end of the day if you're a director you're making these movies for yourself and for the big fat paycheck that's gonna come in the mail.

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Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno

Or...(B) we'll get another talentless hack like Joel Schumacher who will run the franchise into the ground again and force another director to rise years later to bring the series back to it's roots.

Either way, I'm not expecting another Batman movie for a very long time.

First of all, I think Joel Schumacher made a terrific movie when he did Phone Booth but I haven't familiarized myself with any of his other work. Second of all, while another franchise implosion is a possibility, I'd like to think that the WB is smart enough to learn from their mistakes by putting a few provisos in the contract but maybe I'm giving them too much credit.
02-26-2011, 05:02 AM
Wolf Kanno

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Originally Posted by Dreddz

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Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno

we'll get another talentless hack like Joel Schumacher

Show some respect. Thats the man who directed The Lost Boys your talking about.

Touche ;)

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Originally Posted by JohnNintendoNerd

Yeah, I know. It's called a reboot and it must be something that comic book fans and movie goers in general, are getting sick of by now.

I generally hate, hearing the idea of "reboot" cause it usually means the previous story crashed and burn and while some are legitimate, I'm pretty happy with Nolan's films so I can't say that after Dark Knight Rising I'll be ready to see a new film in the next two years. Despite loving the first two Nolan films, I can't say I've been waiting in anticipation for the third film. Hell, I'm rarely waiting for a film to come out but I blame it on not being a movie guy anymore.

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Well, if you're a film director and you're worried about fan reactions, to the point of slavish devotion, you shouldn't be making movies in the first place. Because at the end of the day if you're a director you're making these movies for yourself and for the big fat paycheck that's gonna come in the mail.

If you want to keep making the money though, you have to concede to some fan and studio demands. Most directors don't just say "screw the script, let me tell you how I've envisioned this" most who do, tend to be the ones who don't get a chance to make a sequel.

The issue here is that if a director tackled a new film and fans end up hating it and the film bombs, you're going to have a hard time finding work afterwards or be forever reminded of your turd of a film. Considering how well Dark Knight did, Nolan himself has to worry about the new film being a success. Generally, it's intimidating for any creative producer to tackle an old IP that has been done extremely well. Regardless of coming up with your own unique and fun vision, it will still be compared to the old versions and consequently get an unfair rep because it doesn't live up to the unrealistic expectations and nostalgia vision of the older fan base.

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Second of all, while another franchise implosion is a possibility, I'd like to think that the WB is smart enough to learn from their mistakes by putting a few provisos in the contract but maybe I'm giving them too much credit.

I don't think WB is completely stupid and would probably try to keep away from the bad elements that sunk the franchise in the first place. Course there is always some stuff they could do that no one thought about that could make the series bad. Who knows.
02-26-2011, 12:01 PM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno

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Well, if you're a film director and you're worried about fan reactions, to the point of slavish devotion, you shouldn't be making movies in the first place. Because at the end of the day if you're a director you're making these movies for yourself and for the big fat paycheck that's gonna come in the mail.

If you want to keep making the money though, you have to concede to some fan and studio demands. Most directors don't just say "screw the script, let me tell you how I've envisioned this" most who do, tend to be the ones who don't get a chance to make a sequel.

The issue here is that if a director tackled a new film and fans end up hating it and the film bombs, you're going to have a hard time finding work afterwards or be forever reminded of your turd of a film. Considering how well Dark Knight did, Nolan himself has to worry about the new film being a success. Generally, it's intimidating for any creative producer to tackle an old IP that has been done extremely well. Regardless of coming up with your own unique and fun vision, it will still be compared to the old versions and consequently get an unfair rep because it doesn't live up to the unrealistic expectations and nostalgia vision of the older fan base.

I agree that directors should be worried about fan reaction, but only to an extent. If they're concerned about it to the point of slavish devotion, they shouldn't be working in the movie industry at all. Because if you're confident enough about the story that you have but you're still worried about the critical reaction, it's time to quit your job and walk away.

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Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno

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Second of all, while another franchise implosion is a possibility, I'd like to think that the WB is smart enough to learn from their mistakes by putting a few provisos in the contract but maybe I'm giving them too much credit.

I don't think WB is completely stupid and would probably try to keep away from the bad elements that sunk the franchise in the first place. Course there is always some stuff they could do that no one thought about that could make the series bad. Who knows.

Such as?

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Originally Posted by Psychotic

No. It's great, but too much of a good thing and all that. Nothing ever lasts forever.

Yeah, I know. It's just that, we've never had a Batman series that has progressed before we've always had this concept of directors disregarding previous film continuity and going off into a different direction. It's getting old. I think regardless of whether The Dark Knight Rises is a flop or not, they should continue on in Nolan's Bat-film continuity, but maybe not right away. Maybe if Warner Bros does a poll asking the fans if they want a sequel trilogy to The Dark Knight Rises and they say "No," maybe just maybe Warner Bros could wait a long ass time before they release anymore Batman movies. Maybe they could deprive the fans of their Batman to the point of desperation. To the point where artists are singing about it on the radio, fans are getting tattoos of Batman and fans are just begging and pleading for it.
03-01-2011, 02:43 AM
Del Murder

I think a second trilogy would be overdoing it quite a bit.
03-01-2011, 12:52 PM
Loony BoB

I can see it now: The Coen Brothers redo Batman Begins.

Basically, it's the same movie, but they cut out the climax and the ending. Still, it must be pointed out that they had some superb camera angles. Oscars are won.
03-03-2011, 10:01 PM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

I think a second trilogy would be overdoing it quite a bit.

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

I can see it now: The Coen Brothers redo Batman Begins.

Basically, it's the same movie, but they cut out the climax and the ending. Still, it must be pointed out that they had some superb camera angles. Oscars are won.

You guys are okay with Warner Bros. just rebooting Batman every eight-to-ten-to-fifteen years? I mean what's the point of watching another reboot if you know or assume that Warner Bros. is just gonna outright kill that continuity within the seven year span of a second sequel? (a.k.a threequel?)
03-03-2011, 10:55 PM
Loony BoB

If you couldn't tell by my post, I do not want the Coen brothers to direct any Batman movie. I, too, would like for continuity. But it won't happen.
03-03-2011, 11:10 PM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

If you couldn't tell by my post, I do not want the Coen brothers to direct any Batman movie. I, too, would like for continuity. But it won't happen.

Yeah, I know it won't happen....Unless the people, the fans, ban together and boycott any Batman film that doesn't follow Christopher Nolan's continuity, but that won't happen either. You wanna know why? Because people are idiots. And just because one minority of people does or doesn't want something, doesn't mean it's going to evolve into a revolution where the revolutionaries ultimately end up getting what they want.
03-03-2011, 11:26 PM
Loony BoB

Also, Christopher Nolan is a smart enough man to know that six Batman movies is too much for one director. No great director has done that because after a while, you just want to do something else. You finish with one thing and move on to another. And Nolan certainly has many other things he can move on to.
03-03-2011, 11:50 PM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

Also, Christopher Nolan is a smart enough man to know that six Batman movies is too much for one director. No great director has done that because after a while, you just want to do something else. You finish with one thing and move on to another. And Nolan certainly has many other things he can move on to.

Everybody assumes that I WANT Christopher Nolan to direct TWO Batman Trilogies but I assure you guys that it isn't the case. I merely want Batman to get the James Bond treatment in that, different directors and different cast members all share the same continuity that began in 2005 with Batman Begins. But that's not gonna happen. Obviously.
03-04-2011, 01:19 AM
NorthernChaosGod

Why do you want that? Comic books get rebooted and retconned all the time. o_O
03-04-2011, 01:37 AM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod

Why do you want that? Comic books get rebooted and retconned all the time. o_O

But do you really want that with the superhero movie genre?
03-04-2011, 01:41 AM
NorthernChaosGod

It's better than making :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty sequels.
03-04-2011, 01:47 AM
Depression Moon

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

I can see it now: The Coen Brothers redo Batman Begins.

Basically, it's the same movie, but they cut out the climax and the ending. Still, it must be pointed out that they had some superb camera angles. Oscars are won.

Why is there a little limit bar at the end of your post?
03-04-2011, 02:55 AM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod

It's better than making :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty sequels.

Kind of like how Freddy Krueger, Jason Voorhees, and Michael Myers got :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty ass slasher movie sequels????
03-04-2011, 03:19 AM
NorthernChaosGod

I don't even know what point you're making anymore.
03-04-2011, 03:33 AM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod

I don't even know what point you're making anymore.

All I'm saying is, who's afraid having a :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty sequel or two every once and a while? We've all had to endure a smorgasbord of :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty sequels in all different types of movie genres so one would think that you would be immune to :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty sequels by now!
03-04-2011, 04:10 AM
Bunny

So that was Hollywood's master plan? Stuff enough :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty movies down the throats of movie-goers until they just didn't care anymore but still paid to see the movies?

Genius.
03-04-2011, 02:43 PM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by Bunny

So that was Hollywood's master plan? Stuff enough :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty movies down the throats of movie-goers until they just didn't care anymore but still paid to see the movies? Genius.

It is genius. Because how do you explain the fact that people still hand out enough money to keep the video game movie genre going? Every video game to movie adaptation has been extremely bland or sub-par and yet people continue to spend gas money and ticket-price money to go see them! That's sending a message to the movie studios around The World that you people don't care about quality movies and that you'll pay anything to see any movie, even a :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty-ass sequel because you guys don't give a SMURF!!!!
03-05-2011, 10:35 PM
Mercen-X

DON'T WORRY, PEOPLE. I'M ALL OVER THIS.
03-07-2011, 03:34 PM
Loony BoB

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Originally Posted by JohnNintendoNerd

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Originally Posted by Bunny

So that was Hollywood's master plan? Stuff enough :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty movies down the throats of movie-goers until they just didn't care anymore but still paid to see the movies? Genius.

It is genius. Because how do you explain the fact that people still hand out enough money to keep the video game movie genre going? Every video game to movie adaptation has been extremely bland or sub-par and yet people continue to spend gas money and ticket-price money to go see them! That's sending a message to the movie studios around The World that you people don't care about quality movies and that you'll pay anything to see any movie, even a :bou::bou::bou::bou:ty-ass sequel because you guys don't give a SMURF!!!!

Actually, I would say that very few video game movies end up as successes. Keep in mind that the Batman movies, much like the Spiderman, Superman, X-Men etc. movies, were not video game movies. They were superhero movies with their own plots, some of which had video games released based off of them. Video game movies such as Resident Evil, Mortal Kombat and (to a lesser extent) Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within are rarely as successful as superhero movies.

But if you replace that one part of your post (video game) with 'superhero' then yes, they are certainly all successful these days. I wouldn't go as far as to say they were all bland, though. I think the superhero movies are improving as time goes on, although I doubt they will ever really reach the heights of more serious movies when it comes to brilliant acting and deep storylines regardless of the actors/directors/etc. that work on them.
03-07-2011, 10:09 PM
Mercen-X

1st, I'm still hoping "The Dark Knight Rises" is a placeholder name. I dislike that name deeply. It gives me stomach pains. It makes my ears bleed. It makes me want to pull my tongue out through my nose. It's just a pathetic name.

Moving on. I'm currently working on a sequel trilogy/reboot of X-Men. I don't know if anyone else is (and if they are, mine will likely never see the light of day), but I would like to see a reboot/sequel to Batman as well. If they can pull off a trilogy that somehow makes reference to the first trilogy, well, then that'd be awesome. I'm also working on a DC trilogy which shares the style of the Expendables but instead of having big-name actors, I've got Big-name characters. Of course, my trilogy takes place in an alternate reality free of supermen and kryptonite and metahumans. So everyone fights with fists and technology.