When do you use walkthroughs, if at all?
I only use walkthroughs during my second playthrough, to help with missables and just help me reach 100% completion. I'm a huuuuuuge completionist :V
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When do you use walkthroughs, if at all?
I only use walkthroughs during my second playthrough, to help with missables and just help me reach 100% completion. I'm a huuuuuuge completionist :V
I only use guides to know when collectables are coming up. I prefer the no-spoiler ones quite thoroughly. Checklists are just as nice.
I'm just usually not interested in repeating asinine collectable quests more than twice, so I get it over and done with the first time.
It's been a long time since I was stuck on where to go or how to beat a puzzle/section, though it has happened in the past. Guides save controllers.
I do use them on first playthroughs if I'm stuck on what to do next or can't beat a certain boss. Sometimes I also use them before the final dungeon to see what side quests I can do and prepare. I like to try to see all the content of a game on the first playthrough, I did pretty much the same for Chrono Trigger (although there it's more obvious what the side scenarios are). So for most games, I might check out GameFAQs once or twice.
Ironically, second playthrough are when I don't use a guide. If I go back to a game, it's to enjoy the story and characters and the mechanics itself, not necessarily to have a "perfect" file. If it's a game with an insane amount of depth to it, that I go back to multiple times for different reasons, like FFXII, I'll use a guide then. Actually that's one game I kind of do want the perfect on.
You should pitch that to Brady Games as a slogan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
I used to buy the guide for all the FF games back in the day. I have or had VII, VIII, IX, and X-2. These days I play through the game on my own and only use the walkthrough to go back and get what I missed, find sidequests, etc. I did buy the FFXIII guide but that was mainly for my girlfriend, though I did use the information on the upgrade system quite a bit.
I generally only look at guides for insight into game mechanics. So many times I will be playing a game be be wondering "how does 'x' work". Knowing what is going on behind the scenes really helps me enjoy the experience. With random shots in the dark I usually just give up because I don't find it enjoyable.
I used to use them to find out how to acquire rare items or random drops or find out how to complete obtuse side quests. I've since stopped doing that because I tend to not look too kindly anymore on games that require grinding for rare drops.
I had one for X and XII. The one for XII I think was highly needed, well not entirely because in this day and age you have GameFAQs which is free, but I do like the convenience of not having to go into the other room to look something up when I have a guide in the room with me. For XII you would miss a lot of stuff without the guide. You might not know until it's too late that you missed a great item from a random treasure chest and you would never know about getting the Zodiac Spear without it. I never bothered to get it myself as I found it boring and taking out the fun like the Excalibur II quest, but if you're a completionist the guide would help you greatly in regards to quests in XII.
Speaking of Excalibur II in Final Fantasy IX, I consider that a challenge; not for 100% completion. Of course you need it if you want a perfect save, but for a general 100%, I wouldn't require it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Depression Moon
I tend to buy guides more for the official artwork than the actual guide part. I usually use them for second playthroughs only unless its something like MegaTen where having a fusion chart can save time and controllers... as Jiro said. I tend to want the first experience of the game to feel as natural as possible, and I feel having a guide telling you how to do everything and where to go to get overpowered items tend to cheapen the gaming experience. In fact, its because RPGs and some games tend to put in game-breaking items into their games that I tend to avoid using guides.
I mostly use them for the second playthrough cause I play mostly for game mechanics now that I know the plot and don't feel obligated to rush to each new story segment. That's when I do that perfect file, though some games tend to be elusive...
Unless I am absolutely trouthaus at a game, I won't (ab)use gamebreaking items or equipment. I need to have it for brownie points though.
When I first started, I had a walktrough close by in case it was needed. I have quite a few for FFVII, one for FFVIII, the official for FFIX and the offical for FFIX and an unofficial one for it too.
All my unoffical ones were free with magazines, except my favorite which I lost, which was part of a cheats book - it was for FFVII, and it was awesomely worded - it gave no spoilers at all (The Final Fantasy VII Spoiler, is spoiled in all the other guides I had, but thankfully I played it before hand). My FFVIII book from what I remember was pretty careful with spoilers, but it gave away things that are impossible not to spoil such as (SPOILER)Seifer being alive, but it also revealed (SPOILER)That they all knew eachother, but it didn't explain it very well, so I wasn't expecting it to be as amazing as it was.. The official FFIX guide was okay and helpful in places, but it showed the bare minimum - 50% of it was "Find Out More On PLAYONLINE" - which doesn't exist anymore as far as I can see, the Offiical FFX Guide avoided doing this thankfully, and was very well described. Finally the unofficial FFX guide was interesting because it tried to be different - it is meant to be written from Tidus's perspective (presumably because Tidus narrates the game to some degree), however by the time "Opperation Mihen" is reached it suddenly stops doing in this, and reverts to the style of every other guide.
I wish I could find my Favorite VII one...
The first time around, no. If it's a game that's at least a couple of years old, I'll go on the internet and ask about general tips or major missables (like Zodiac Spear omg), but other than that I like to explore it on my own. If I get so stuck that I need to take a break, I might look up a strategy or what to do next. After that first play through I scour all the guides I can find to learn every little aspect of the game mechanics so I can learn how to break it wide open.
For me, it sort of depends on the game and type of guide. My guide for FFTA is battered and dogeared because I used it as a class/spell/weapon reference SO MUCH.
I also read this "Harvest Moon relationships walkthrough" on GameFAQs pretty religiously for a while when I got to the waifu simulator part of the game.
But I don't really like the ones that walk. You. Through. Every. Step. Of. The. Game. They tend to take a lot of fun out of the game, imo.
Yeah, same here. That's why if I ever do get stuck, I look up that one part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike
I used a guide for the Feathers... all you fellow brothers of the creed know of what I speak.
I also buy guides if they are limited edition (I have the limited edition XII and XIII guides).
The flags pissed me off in the original. I had to do it thrice because the ones in the pit were glitched.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaiserDragon
The only guide I ever had was the official guide to 'Secret of Mana' which I quite liked as it was written like an actual story. Although it did spoil a lot of that game for me and I vowed never to use one again.
Granted, that means I die quite a lot when attempting these games but the challenge is what makes it fun... That's why I make sure no-one's watching me when I play them...
"Bubbaforever accidentally casts "Fire 3" on himself"...
GAME OVER
I used to use walkthroughs all the time for everything on every playthrough, but now I'm too lazy, so I don't typically use them that often. Only if I get stuck and don't know what to do. Or there's some boss I can't beat. And if I feel like completing extra sidequesty stuff.
Although I will always use one for FFX-2, because getting 100% requires an insane amount of attention to detail.
As for official guides, I only have the one for FFIX which kind of sucks due to that defunct online thingy majigger being referenced on every page.
I'm sure we can all agree that thing was a stupid idea. Why the hell would I want to go online to look up something when you can just tell me in the book itself? Isn't that the point of the book - list information in a handy reference that can be used by my side when I play the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arylett Dawnsborough
The flags were the worst thing ever and I can't believe anyone actually did them. The feathers I finished 'cause it gave me that badass cape.Quote:
Originally Posted by JiroThe flags pissed me off in the original. I had to do it thrice because the ones in the pit were glitched.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaiserDragon
And you have to use multiple guides because every one of them out there leave out at least one important detail :|Quote:
Originally Posted by Arylett Dawnsborough
When it's the only thing standing between you and your first 100% game, you just gotta roll with it :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessweeee♪
Goddamn feather... at least they were not as bad as the flags.
AC2 also showed you what areas the missing items were in, so you didn't have to comb the whole of smurfing everywhere.
Seriously! There are handy maps with lots of screen shots up online too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
I officially hate you guys, to this moment I did not realise this was the case... on my first playthrough I decided to get all achievements for this game... the flags... I missed one and had to go through the entire game till I found it (it was in Venice).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessweeee♪Seriously! There are handy maps with lots of screen shots up online too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
I didn't realise til I had found I was missing one flag. Luckily it was in the city I was in :jess:
Very rarely if ever. Considering leadership requires a plethora of common sense. This is the case where making a game too hard to navigate would be bad for sales.
I'd use an FAQ if I got bored of the game and never played it again. Yet I've beaten most of the popular games without any aid.