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Would you eat meat if you had to kill it yourself? I'd like to think that I would, but I've never killed anything bigger than a spider before so it could go either way. I've cut down my meat consumption considerably because of this dilemma, but I did make a really good (and small) hamburger yesterday.
I prefer to have an emotional attachment before killing it. Ideally, I'd like to pinpoint my food, trap it, kill it at close range, gut it, chop it up, and have it butchered.
I'd probably be a vegetarian if I had to kill my own meat. BUT, I think that's just because I've never been exposed to it in my life, being far far removed from my meat in its original form. If I had grown up on a farm or something, I'm sure I'd be fine with it.
And I think hunger tends to remove reservations and "ick" factor. Have you watched Survivor? People who were pampered in their normal lives will kill rats with a stone and then gnaw on the itty bitty rat flesh.
I don't watch Survivor, but I can imagine.
Something tells me you haven't actually done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvie
That's why I said ideally. I know enough to be sure about the first few steps of the process, but I don't have trapping down in my book and I've never done it for the purpose of food.
...I don't know if I would be able to kill my own steak. Just like I don't want to know what they put in chicken nuggets, I don't want to know how much my cow suffered just to satisfy a hungry Homo sapien.
Also: Beatrice Arthur KFC cruelty - YouTube
I've actually thought about this quite a bit from time to time. My honest answer is that I would probably up my meat consumption if I were to have to hunt/kill my own food source. If I kill a pig/cow/duck/deer I'm not going to let my hard work go to waste.
I'd like to hunt, once in my life. Just to see what it's like I guess?
I think there must be great satisfaction in humanely shooting a deer, butchering it yourself and knowing you have many different preparations of meat and organ you can either sell or essentially kept yourself fed with for like a year if you freeze it correctly.
Having grown up on a farm, I've never actually done the killing, but I don't see myself having a problem with it (even though it's not an experience I would relish).
I think if I was starving and desperate I would.
I'm not a big fan of killing things; I'm that person who escorts spiders outside instead of kill them. But sometimes you've gotta do what you've gotta do.
It would depend on the method for me mainly. Generic hunting with a rifle I could deal with, though I don't think I'd enjoy the experience. But if someone wanted me to break a chicken's neck with my hands while it kicked around they could get smurfed. I understand that it's supposed to be a quick and clean way to go or something, but I guess a lifetime of action movies have imprinted the idea of the neck break being an act of immense savagery in my mind and I just couldn't do it to a defenseless little chicken smurf that.
but yeah generally I think it would be the method that would be the deciding factor.
You said 'meat'
I've gone fishing.
Back in the day my grandparents brought home live chickens.
I'm "Chinese". We're barbarians (supposedly). So yes.
I saw a pic of dead baby stew (probably on cracked.com - I have a messed up track of memories). Yum.
Indeed. If I'm going to kill something myself and go to the effort to butcher it, then I'm going to damn well eat as much of it as I can. Letting the meat waste would be a terrible shame, and disrespectful to the animal that died so that I can continue to thrive.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod
As to the original question though, no I don't think I'd have any problem slaughtering an animal myself for food. I've seen video of animals being killed and butchered, and am familiar enough with the techniques even if I've never seen it in person or done it myself. What it come down to for me is that I enjoy meat. It's an essential part of my diet, and if the only way for me to get it was to kill it myself I would kill it myself and have no qualms with it.
I'm in Eastern Kentucky. That should say enough by itself, but I don't actually hunt. I have been tricked into eating raw deer meat, and I've had freshly killed pig, cow, deer, turkey, fish, and chicken. I've seen most of those killed, cleaned, and cooked from start to finish except the cow and deer. My great-great-grandmother used to let me watch as she'd pick out a chicken, swing it around over her head until its neck broke, then clean it and fry it up. She was ~90 at the time. She had a large scar on the side of her face where a rooster attacked her one time she was killing one of his bitches.
I don't do it but my daddy does. A lot. He kills and processes his own meat. And its soooooo much tastier and healthier than store bought meat. They add in a lot of fat to the meat they sell in stores and its greesey and gross. I also have always lived on a ranch so having the neighbors cow wasn't weird either. I just dont do any of it.myself though i'm sure if I needed too i could.
Yeah, I'd probably be a tantarian if I had to kill my own food.
lol@ I'm "Chinese". We're barbarians (supposedly). So yes.
Also, yes I've killed, butchered and eaten animals before. It's a great experience and I think it could benefit a lot of people.
I've never killed my own food but I've assisted in the dressing and butchering process. Does it make me sad everytime? Yep. Is it still good? Yep. I could do it if I had enough practice for instant kills. I would be highly upset if I had to track a wounded animal.
Did those people not understand how sausage is made? There is no magic way to turn a little piglet into sausage like that. I am also a little saddened by how inelegant the machine was made; one latch would have made the prank that much better. Perhaps some banging by the girl underneath as well?
I have killed and butchered animals for food. It is fine to know how to do it, but we live in a world where other people can and do specialize in such work. People who get upset about animal treatment get upset for one main reason: in a society where we have a specific body of workers who slaughter animals, most other people only interact with animals as pets and we tend to build relationships with our pets. These most other people thus have empathy for most other creatures because creatures are pets, right? When Balto the Dog comes in a collar and plays on the couch and Sally the Cow comes ground up in packages at the supermarket, it is easy to see where the ability to make fine distinctions have been blurred because there is no need; it is clear-cut by that point.
That was my first thought. Those people are retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynx
In response to the thread topic: yes, though probably less because I'm super lazy.
For me the idea of having to hunt, kill and prepare my own food doesn't bother me. Also unlike Dan I reckon I could break a chicken's neck without too much of an issue. It's pretty disturbing at first because you know we haven't had to do this kind of thing before (well most of us, PG is a barbarian and Lekana is well, Lekana ;P) but once you've done it once you'll do it again if you want to carry on eating meat.
I know they're not chickens and we didn't eat them but once I threw a flint stone at 2 pigeons in a tree in my back yard because they were scaring my niece. The stone wasn't intended to hurt them just scare them. It hit a branch splitting the stone in to 2 pieces of razor sharp death. Due to the positioning of the birds on the branch above and the angles of trajectory, spin and random chance. I actually managed to kill both birds. One was near decapitated by the flint, the other took the flint to the chest, fell and I had to break it's neck to put it out of it's misery (it would have died a fair bit slower if I hadn't but died all the same) it didn't bother me like I thought it would to be blunt. I felt pretty "eww" about the idea for a minute or so before doing it but considering I had about a minute or 2 before my niece came out and saw what I had done I got over it pretty easily and put them the dead bodies over the fence in to the alleyway (I would've bothered binning them but there's foxes near my mom's and so our bins would only have gotten pulled across the street by them after the corpses, easier to just leave them out of sight for the damn animals)
I'm happy to outsource the killing and refinement of animal products.
I'm kinda disappointed I didn't get to have any deer burgers from one of my uncle's kills this year, though!
If there were absolutely no other way and if for some reason, other food supplies were, I could probably kill it if it were quick, but definitely not skin it. Skinning freaks me out.
Hmm, skinning is the part I'd actually most like to try, especially on a rabbit or something. Spoiler for those easily grossed outI hear it peels right off, almost like a wet sock. :D
I spoke to a cow once. Although it was pretty much a one-way conversation... I got the distinct impression she did not want me to kill and eat her.
Maybe I was wrong... she could have been an extreme manic-depressive and would have loved for me to begin the 'slaughtering' process. Either way, I'm pretty sure I couldn't bring myself to do it.
I prefer my cows pre-prepared... preferably on a seeded bun with cheese, BBQ sauce and a rasher of pig.
It pretty much does. There's a bit of a tug & resistance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22
Assuming I could easily actually get to a place where I could kill an animal, I would not have many problems killing it for food.
I grew up on a farm so I'm not exactly new to this whole seeing an animal getting killed deal. Going from that to doing it myself probably isn't too problematic.
You are a disturbing individual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22
I try.
Well, if I can do it to humans I don't think I'd have any problem with animals.
Seriousness aside, what context is this in? Am I living my normal life, except if I want meat I have to hunt and kill it? Nah, can't be arsed. Meat isn't necessary for a human diet. If I was in the wild and I wasn't able to pop to Lidl to buy some red lentils, then yeah, no problem.
My mom's boyfriend has 70 acres of land and he does indeed live off of his own land. You haven't lived until you've tried fresh venison. On hunting...i don't know. I suppose bow hunting might be interesting.
I sort of feel like a failure for being the one person in the state of Montana who hasn't gone hunting.
But percentage wise you're doing good--what, like 10% of the population of Montana or something? I think that's right. Last time I was in Montana there were exactly 10 people there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike
This... just... :hahaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stiltzquin
Only if you actually wanted to go at some point..Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike
THIS WAS POST #7777!!! /Araciel does 7777 damage! BAM
I'll share a fun and effective method to get squirrels off your bird feeders. Hang the bird feeder high up, and on a good amount of radius underneath, put a bunch of small nails (and I mean a good bit) into the ground, sticking out. Put long noticeable wooden plank leading from your porch or something (a window is preferable) to the feeder. Add another permanent plank leading downward, spraypaint it black, and nail a troutload of small nails from the bottom up, so you've got a spiked runway. When you see the squirrels smurfing around on the bird feeder, simply pull the temporary plank away from the feeder, and the squirrels will be faced with either jumping down into a spike pit, or walking down the spiked runway. You can do what you want with the bodies if they don't make it home, but they won't come back if they do.
You...sick, intelligent bastard.
<3
Also, after a while of maiming, the nails will probably induce infections. So sometimes they don't come back because they die in the woods.
In my experience the squirrels climb from the tree on top of the bird feeder.
That's right. Sylvie just got beat by a squirrel. How's your pit of death now? Not so deadly.
For those of you actually experiencing this problem, just buy a birdfeeder with a smaller entrance.
Not if there isn't a tree. They'll climb whatever is there to get to the bird feeder. Either way, it's not how they get there, it's how they get down.
Sorry, I haven't yet figured out how to get my bird feeders to levitate.
You can hang a bird feeder from something that isn't a tree. A lot of people around here use wires.
I like levitation better though.
Squirrels can climb down a wire.
Unless it's a razor wire.
Well they still might be able to. Squirrels is like ninjers.
My bird feeder is specifically designed to feed squirrels, because my garden birds are all kestrels and ospreys.
All I know is that, generally, the instructions outlined in my post work. Squirrels aren't very intelligent because I've seen them get their asses kicked by the nails. And then they stopped smurfing with what the birds are allowed to have. If you find that it doesn't work for you, tweak it a bit.
And I mean, yeah, you could just get a better designed bird feeder, but I like to have fun with the yard.
Plus, if the neighbours cat tries to crap in your garden, it's in for one hell of a surprise.
If only. But I do love cats. It's a 50/50 shot for amusement, I guess, depending on how much of a pussy he is.
*ziiinggg*
I got this for my dad. No more stupid squirrelsQuote:
Originally Posted by fire_of_avalon
How the smurf did this turn into a discussion on squirrels?
I'm sorry.
You should be. :colbert:
Just put a cat in the bird feeder, squirrel problem gone!Quote:
Originally Posted by fire_of_avalon
Why do people buy accessories to feed birds, but get all troutty about feeding squirrels?? Birds poop on your head. I am Team Squirrel.
I'm Team smurf-That-They-Can-Feed-Themselves
So can the birds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
Squirrels are people too ya know.
I meant everything can feed themselves. They survived long before everybody was feeding them.
Oh, well, sure. Smurf all the animals.
Bear in mind that Jiro is from Australia, where literally every life form can and will kill you.
I'm surprised he hasn't taken revenge on the local fauna of Wyoming.
The only fauna Wyoming has are buffalo.
Which I would love to see Jiro taming and riding, like a real cowboy.
DID YOU NOT WATCH THE VIDEO?? IT'S HILIARIOUSQuote:
Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
I have killed a cow and then munched on it afterward.
If I'm going to do any munching, it's definitely going to happen before I do the killing. Post-killing is too messy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bert
You have no clue how chickens move around so much despite being covered in their own blood after slicing their necks!
It's like, hey, aren't you supposed to be dead? :(
No, Pike you forget, Dak is Australian. The buffalo would ride Dak and tame himQuote:
Originally Posted by Pike
Though I would love to eat proper buffalo meat, would be pretty cool I'm imagining beef but richer.
I've had buffalo meat before. It was a lot like beef, but softer and had a slightly sweeter and more mild taste. Either way, I didn't trust it very much because the guy who hunted it was kind of skeevy, so I didn't eat any more of it after that...
I've had bison a fair bit. There's a place in Wellington that has a bison farm. And deer, and boar, and highland cow. Yeah, it's an awesome place.
I would love to eat some animal I can't normally get here. Someone bring me a smurfing buffalo!
I desire some buffalo as well.
When I'm not hopelessly ruining my budget by spending massive amounts of money on investments (it's the end of the income tax year and I need tax write offs), I'm going to a restaurant that serves random but delicious meat.
buffalo, cow, alligator, pokemon, http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:004.png
I demand you treat me to dinner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peegee
Nah, PG, ditch this Northern fellow and treat a lady such as myself to dinner.