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I know the Turks are good, but how in the smurf did President Shinra get to the No. 5 reactor in time? I mean c'mon, who let the intel slip? It was Wedge, wasn't it?
Seriously though - how did Shinra know that Avalanche was attacking that particular reactor?
Anyone listening in on them at the bar? I'm presuming that the information came to them by way of Don Corneo. Who probably has quite the slums intelligence network.
Maybe it had to do with the new security checks that happened on the train there, they were trying to figure out where the next attack would be and they were able to somehow locate the nearest reactor to where AVALANCHE was... not sure how that works... but they knew something was going on.
I'm guessing you started a new playthrough?
Yeah, like Bolivar says, the train alarm probably alerted them to Avalanche's presence.
That's another question... was the train going full speed when they jumped off? If so, how were none of them seriously injured?
Or, the day after one of their installations got bombed, Shina upped the security at every major potential target. That and the train alarm, I guess. Avalanche's plan is really pretty ambitious considering Barret has the terrorist-sense of a punk with a new can of spray paint. It's like he figured if he attacks the reactors in an unpredictable order the mega-corporation with thousands of trained soldiers, assassins, and killer robots will never be able to uncover his genius.
"Now that Sector 5 is down - tomorrow we'll do Sector 2! They'll never see it coming!!"
I'm much more concerned with how Cloud survived falling from the reactor to Sector 5 than how he survived jumping off of a train. The clear explanation is that they are all super bad ass.
If the physics in Advent Children are to be taken seriously, then those actions would like be like banging your shin on a coffee table in our world. See? Advent Children DOES explain something!Quote:
Originally Posted by VeloZer0
I you look at a lot of the jumps that Cloud, and by extension the party, perform routinely in the field map you see a lot of super human jumping ability. Not to mention what happens in combat.
The physics of the game is questionable for sure. A fall like that would have destroyed every bone in a normal person's body. Even Jenova cells can't make you that smurfing invincible. So it's just the world in general. But regardless, having the President make it to that reactor that quickly was impressive.
Swinging a sword like that would destroy every bone in a normal person's body. It think it is fairly well documented that all the party members are superhuman.Quote:
A fall like that would have destroyed every bone in a normal person's body.
B-but the Jenova cells are like the force! It doesn't have to be explained! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
That's a good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by VeloZer0
I feel like the train in Midgar was more akin to the trolly in San Fran.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubbaforever
In a shocking development, with at least a dozen commotions involving the death of soldiers and their war-beasts, not to mention the destruction of at least one gigantic warmachine that, you know, scans it's enemies before lasering them, it is perhaps the fault of Cloud, Barret and Tifa's not-so-subtle entrance to and journey through the reactor that gave them away.
From a gameplay perspective, I fought all of about 5 battles before I hit up Airbuster. That would still not really be enough time for that chopper to pick up ol' Pres and drop him off at the reactor all sneaky like
Reading this post made me re-read the initial post and now I realize I completely mis-read it and my own post in this thread is stupid and pointless. I'm not going to bother editing it so that future posters can see how stupid I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
To actually answer the thread: plot convenience. Or maybe they just flew him over from the top of Shinra tower right to Sector 5 after the whole train alarm thing. President's office in eyeshot of all the reactors anyway (going by that FMV with the plate falling and the president watching from his office).
It's still pretty quick, but I did forget about the time it would've taken the party to walk through the train tunnels and whatnot. I suppose the alarm sounding would've alerted Shinra as Bolivar said, and then they just guessed they would be there. Damn Jessie, you really boned them on that one.
(SPOILER)CONGRATULATIONS! You found the hidden immunity idol! :ciddie: (just kidding, that's a Ciddie, you think I'd let the real one be searchable for the text 'hidden immunity idol'?)
I still say Cloud fell because he remembered how lame Barret's KING VERMIN comeback was towards the the President.
That or he was definitely trying to impress Tifa. That's what I would do.
I always take every dungeon you do in an RPG as somewhat of an approximation scaled down version, much like the world map. So although you can run through a reactor in 5 minutes I imagine that in 'reality' it was probably more like an hour.
I do that as well. Kind of like how in EVERY first person shooter type game (be it traditional gameplay or RPG elements) they have your character move very fast. A famous example is Doom Guy from, well, Doom. Even in FPS games where you feel like you are moving slow, you are still generally moving at a speed that would be impossible point blank or impossible to maintain.Quote:
Originally Posted by VeloZer0
I thought the reactor looked pretty damn big though.
PS where the hell is Cloud's payment for this mission. Barret clearly promised 2000 gil, and the reactor clearly blew up. So why's he holdin' out?
I always wonder about that.
To be fair, the next time that Cloud meets Barret after falling into the church is the collapse of the plate that kills Biggs, Wedge and Jessie.
Cloud: "Hey big guy, I know three of your best pals have just been horribly crushed to death by that plate... but I don't suppose you have that 2 grand you owe me?"
I reckon Cloud just let that slide... Also, I reckon this was the point that Cloud stopped being a mercenary and joined the fight against Shinra
I think even the most unfeeling-badass loving fans would have batted an eye had Cloud demanded payment after the Sector 7 thing.
Until they suddenly realise that Cloud has been paying for everything since the damn beginning and Barret is holding out on him. No wonder he had to take up being a damn delivery boy afterwards, he went bankrupt from saving the world. I bet he funded the building of Edge too the selfless bastard.
I bet he could, especially with the amount of gil the average FFVII player has at the end of the game. This is especially true if the canon version of the story is what a player does to get a perfect file.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
If you talk to Jessie in the reactor she says it's her fault for making the ID personal. I dont know what happens if you tell her not to make the ID
She does it anyway, she was trying to pick Cloud up.
"Here's a mastered All materia, now go buy yourself a house already. Lazy beggars."Quote:
Originally Posted by SephexI bet he could, especially with the amount of gil the average FFVII player has at the end of the game. This is especially true if the canon version of the story is what a player does to get a perfect file.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
If 300,000 gil buys you a beach villa I am thinking that a mastered All materia gets you a whole subdivision.
I don't think that the cannon version is neglecting the imminent threat of world destruction and instead focusing on a chocobo breeding/racing career. :DQuote:
This is especially true if the canon version of the story is what a player does to get a perfect file.
Nonsense, it's a key factor in receiving the ULTIMATE SUMMON KOTOR to save the world.
Every time Sneak Attack + KOTR activated at the beginning of the final battle, I laugh. Sephiroth is dead if that happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
Oh yeah it's KOTR. smurfing star wars on the brain I guess :jess:
I was going to call you out on it, but I knew what you meant.
Seriously, though, I feel bad for Sephiroth when that happens. I still laugh. But...I remember hyping up the battle for someone, that **** happened, and he was all like, "Why is that tough?"
This was years ago (right when it came out) before it became apparent that FFVII is a game easily bendable to whatever the hell you want to do.
From our perspective we are breeding chocobos to acquire the ultimate summon. From the party's perspective they just happened to be investing a whole bunch of time and effort into breeding advanced strains of chocobo and then randomly running around all over the world looking for possible undiscovered materia caves.
And the thing is they were kind of working on a deadline...
Otacon: "Snake, press the Select button to ca-"
Snake: "The what?"
He used his Sense materia.
'Cos that *$%(#@*#$ money's for Marlene's schoolin'!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
Where do kids go to school in Final Fantasy VII?Quote:
Originally Posted by fierytempest'Cos that *$%(#@*#$ money's for Marlene's schoolin'!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
In bars with big breasted women. This is why no one in the FFVII universes knows anything.
The grammar is atrocious.
"This guy are sick."
Though the plot doe snot reveal it in the slightest, I would take my own little guess and commit to the notion that since the Turks are Shinra spies, they did their homework.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
After all, one will notice that the Turks are always one step ahead through out the first half of the game.
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Originally Posted by fierytempest
HEY! Who do you know that in the FFVII universe they don't say that specific expression that way! No one has ever considered this!!Quote:
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Originally Posted by fierytempest
Oh, there is a lot to learn from Tifa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephex
Really? What does she teach? Math, as long as the lesson plan doesn't involve going past the number 2?Quote:
Originally Posted by RaistlinOh, there is a lot to learn from Tifa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephex