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So when Nomura originally created Squall, Seifer and Rinoa, he mentioned that he wanted them to have a love triangle element to the story revolving around them. As most fans know, though it's kind of there, it's not nearly as pronounced as the Love Triangles from IV and VII.
Considering the three personalities, how do you think it would have worked out had they put more effort into it, or do you feel the chemestry was never there and VIII's original script is the better choice?
I think the Love Triangle of FFVIII is actually not. Squall, Seifer, Rinoa and Quistis. It's weird though, because it's almost a linear path. Quistis wants Squall wants Rinoa wants Seifer wants Seifer. I know Rinoa reciprocates eventually but that's technically before Squall even cares so it's weird.
I think this triangle was less pronounced for being a remnant of the original intentions of the developers. It was overshadowed by more interesting things, such as flying schools, mercenary students and giant drag queen witches.
PuPu overshadowed everything. :bigsmile:
On a side note, if there is a love triangle, then Rinoa will be portrayed as a two timing bitch? :bigsmile:
I think the love triangle in FFVIII was a bit of let down.
Rinoa had a previous fling with Seifer, and I think because of Squall and Seifer's rivalry it could have been a more prominent element to FFVIII but it's barely touched upon. :greenie:
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Quistis x Seifer would be the kinkiest relationship ever. :jess::jess::jess:
This is actually more along my thinking. Squall is like nope! to quistis then meets Rinoa who's got stars in her eyes for Seifer who probably couldn't care less and only wants to further his rivalry with Squall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiro
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I felt so bad for Quistis. She deserved at least a one night stand.
I forgot about Quistis (story of her life)
It's really odd. It just came out of nowhere that she was involved with Seifer and you just think "why?" - and then they don't particularly interact. It could have been great but just ended up feeling superfluous.
I would have given Seifer more relevance to the plot, at least. I mean, looking back over every scene he's in...does he ever do ANYTHING important to the story? Yeah, he's cool, but if you would have removed him completely from the game, there isn't one part or character that would have changed for it. Squall wouldn't have a scar, but beyond that, Seifer is just a dog for the Sorceresses that we have to make heel before we fight the real battle. He's nothing but a glorified mid-boss, and never get's any higher than that. A love triangle would have been an improvement to him. In fact, I think Seifer's presence in the game is just a remnant of that idea, and they liked him so much the didn't want to get rid of him altogether.
Honestly, I just found it always a little creepy how into Seifter Rinoa was...until Cloud takes it through the chest and then she's all like OMG SQUALL HEARTS AND RAINBOWS!!!
It wasn't really well done, in my opinion. The Squall and Rinoa romance, while sweet...feels a little bit...rough and unfinished to begin with.
I thought he was much more than a glorified mid-boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by espritduo
One of the more memorable scenes in the game for me was when Squall had a mental breakdown over thinking Seifer had been executed. The time spent in Timber wouldn't have been the same without his holding a gunblade to the president on live tv. Not to mention how Fujin and Raijin are connected to him in the story, as well as the whole orphanage background. The interrogation scene in the prison. His role as the leader for the Dollet training mission, the rise he gets from all of the main characters through dialogue, not to mention all of his personal dreams as a Knight and his role with the Disciplinary Committee (lol). Besides the scar he gave Squall, he's a perfect rival. They have opposite personalities and both wield gunblades. Even though the connection they have with Rinoa isn't as big as it could have been or as people would have liked it to be, there is still something there for story. I'm sure those are just a few of several examples.
This man is awesome.
Seifer should have had a larger role but I don't think we should undervalue the role he did play! I found him to be quite a good character really.
I actually liked the understated aspect of the love triangle. I felt with VII's love triangle that it was completely obvious and shoved in your face:
Aerith: "Oh.. is Tifa your girlfriend?"
Cloud: "Yeah, she is"
Aerith: "Oh.. I see" *Seethes with rage*
Seriously, offscreen, these two must have had a catfight.
Oh no, I love Seifer, and I love every scene he's in. The problem is he's cool but pointless to the story. You could have taken him out of the game altogether and it wouldn't have had much of an impact on the way the events played out. Like you say, he's a perfect rival....but there is never any actual rivalry related plot-threads in the story using him. Squall gets his scar, and then Seifer spends the rest of the game being cool and not really contributing much to the story. Seifer should have been like Rufus from FFVII. He wasn't the main antagonist, but he still had a major role to play throughout the story.
I thought the role of "sorceress's puppet" worked quite well, and liked how his increase in extremism eventually led to the emotional moment when his sidekicks tell him he's gone too far. Fujin even stopped yelling. One of the more moving parts of the game.
True, it's better than the Tifa/Aeris stuff. Especially with Tifa friendzoning the trout out of him and yet flipping out when he shows interest in someone else (say in the cells, when she's all "well EXCUSE me. So what's it like being a planet hugging hippy?", heh). Though one could argue that it's realistic, I've known a few of the Tifa types in my time...
I agree with this. I don't think there are many scenes with Seifer and Rinoa interacting at all, really. I can't remember anything significant. I really feel like it was thrown in at the last minute or included as part of an Aborted Arc.Quote:
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Originally Posted by RoogleI agree with this. I don't think there are many scenes with Seifer and Rinoa interacting at all, really. I can't remember anything significant. I really feel like it was thrown in at the last minute or included as part of an Aborted Arc.Quote:
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I'm just gonna leave this here.
I got in a mood for writing crap like that a few years back but I think it's still mostly okay for outlining how important Seifer was to the overall story.
That is until said story stopped even pretending to care about itself.
The love triangle was tragically underused and so was Seifer.
Umm, where was the love triangle in 6? Locke, Celes and his past girlfriend who I always thought had a moustache?
And in 4? Let me guess? The two lovebirds and Kain? I don't necessarily think that was a love triangle. And if it was, then 8's was definitely more "pronounced" as you put it. I mean come, Rinoa ultimately confesses to loving Seifer, Squall falls for her, they put on a concert for them..
About Quistis, I think that she sort of gives up on Squall right before graduation night, when he's like, yeah, i don't care... She then takes it out on Rinoa in Deling, but ultimately feels sorry for it and moves on. That was my interpretation. She probably went back to Garden after all of it and started dating one of the Trepies, or eventually turned into a lesbian. I always though she looked sort of butch with the whip and all
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That too, but I actually meant butch. I was referring to the fact that I had mentioned earlier she may have turned into a lesbian after all of the events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone Wolf LeonhartMuch better.Quote:
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The love triangle sort of dies off after the first disc, I felt. There's the flirty dancing bit between Rinoa and Squall on disc one, but then she's also enquiring after Seifer. It's obvious then that she harbours some feelings for (or has a crush on) Seifer during the Timber mission. In my mind, I never really felt that Seifer particularly cared for Rinoa, at least in no way comparable to her affection for him. It also seemed to be that Rinoa and Squall only really seemed to develop any kind of interest in each other long after Seifer had ceased to be a realistic prospect for Rinoa.