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Sure she might have a short skirt, but still manages to look regal. She doesn't depend on anyone to get trout done, is part of an unground resistance operation, took part in faking her own death - and did all of this whilst greiving for her KIA newly-wed husband. That's seriously one can of awesome.
(plus we also share similar names, maybe I should deed pool to be Ashelia too!)
She cries over her dead husband constantly instead of moving on. The way God intended.
Ummm... I hope youre kidding
She mourns, but shes also not very blatant about it, and shes still a strong leader even with those emotional issues.
Hell, if she was a guy and her wife was killed you can be damn sure hed be mourning for most of the mission
And also, she does eventually move on too
Best female character in the Final Fantasy series ? Not even close. She's way too emotional.
No because the Final Fantasy fandom would be picking on him and calling him a gay looser. * Edward FF IV COUGH *Quote:
Originally Posted by TrollHunter
I'm sorry would you not be slightly emotional if your newly-wed husband got killed in a war along with all your brothers and your farther was assassinated by seemingly your own people whilst brokering a peace deal? All of this before you even turned 18.
Just like they did with Cid Highwind in FFVII rig... oh wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by maybeeNo because the Final Fantasy fandom would be picking on him and calling him a gay looser. * Edward FF IV COUGH *Quote:
Originally Posted by TrollHunter
I'm with maybee. I prefer my characters to be complete without realistic and believeable personalities and character development.
I'm assuming that's sarcasm, Quin? xD
I'm guessing you mean Vincent Valentine? I didn't ever see Cid Highwind mourning a wife. :SQuote:
Originally Posted by Aulayna
Despite this, I definitely agree with you regarding Ashe. While I still prefer Tifa, I do think she was a very deserving winner of Best Female in the FF Ciddies.
You're forgetting that there's female characters out there who have gone through so much worse and deal with their pain and trauma so much better than Ashe. Tifa, Aerith, Terra, Celes, Beatrix, Selphie, Dagger, Yuna...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aulayna
I think you mean Vincent Valentine.
Which yes gets called a emo, fag, gothic looser, vampire, "listens to Linkin Park " and more.
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Originally Posted by Quinter Wonderland
Again, I don't really get how you see Ashe as some kind of overly emotional being. She's actually very good at keeping her emotions under control.
You do realize that she totally went up and slapped Basch in the face right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2L24Rd_z64
yes.
good.
at.
keeping.
her.
emotions.
under- control.
She seemed to be to be a very emotionally strong woman. She knew exactly what she wanted, how to get it and didn't beg anyone to help her. She never once used her feminine charms on any of the characters, which was super nice.
I like to go into everything under the assumption everything Quin says is legit. Makes threads so much funner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
[QUOTE=maybee;3213180]So? I'm very good at keeping my emotions under control, too. But that doesn't mean that if someone that I had every reason to believe killed my father walked up to my face that I wouldn't try to do them some damage.
If her emotions were out of control, she would try to kill him, not slap him.
Yes it was so terrible what Beatrix had to go through. Slaughtering those edefensless rat people was very, very traumatizing for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by maybeeYou're forgetting that there's female characters out there who have gone through so much worse and deal with their pain and trauma so much better than Ashe. Tifa, Aerith, Terra, Celes, Beatrix, Selphie, Dagger, Yuna...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aulayna
And nobody in FFVIII is an example good anything except Seifer. Selphie is as badly written as everyone else.
Also Tifa helped Barret and them start blowing Shinra stuff up as a way of revenge so she is in no way better than Ashe who also wanted to blow up her enemies.
Actually, that just showa how in control she is. Thats a very mild reaction compared to what a lot of people would have doneQuote:
Originally Posted by maybeeYou do realize that she totally went up and slapped Basch in the face right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
FFXII - Basch Gets Punched In the Face - YouTube
yes.
good.
at.
keeping.
her.
emotions.
under- control.
Case in point: vaan trying to kill basch
I'm gonna go ny what I've always agreed with. Lightning is the best.
Well, in my opinion anyways. Ashe is in my top 5, don't you worry.
Hell hath no fury like Ashelia B'nargin Dalmasca. Male or female, she's one of my favorite FF characters for her development from being consumed by vengeance to willing to make the hard choices and not succumb to the ends-justifying means mentality of Ivalice. When you see that flashback of her with Rasler and she's so naive and innocent it hit me hard just how dramatically her life had changed and her very human reaction to it all.
Plus she's voiced by Kari Wahlgren, who's done excellent work in all my favorite video games, from Vaklyria Chronicles to Guild Wars 2.
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I always thought she was very unlikable. She's really sassy and strong willed, but not in a good way. She's just kind of a bitch.
Yes, the irony of me posting that isn't lost on me.
You're forgetting that Beatrix changed her ways and she realized what she was doing was wrong. She joined Zidane's side and stopped working for Queen Brahne's greed and Kuja's plots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
Selphie was not badly written. She was a cheerful and outgoing character but after the attack on what was her home to her and loosing some of her friends she showed a side to her character that was really brave and mature. She was sad about loosing her friends and people that she knew in Trabia; but she still managed to stand up and still be strong and smile.
Again Tifa realized that doing things for revenge was a bad idea and in Advent Children she tries to be a strong and confident adult and help Cloud break through his depression and be a Mother type to Denzel and Marlene.
Controlling your emotions means what it is controlling your emotions. Ashe going up and slapping somebody is not controlling her emotions, because her sadness and anger leaked out. That is not controlling your emotions.
Except slapping the person you think is responsible for your father's death is a bit less emotionally charged than blowing up reactors.
Tifa is way more over-emotional than Ashe was and Ashe was dealing with a lot more than her or Selphie.
That's not the point here. The point here that was Ashe was completely calm and she was unable to completely control her emotions. But she doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
Again Tifa saw what she was doing was wrong and she changed her ways.
Tifa lost all of her villagers her friends her family her Father and she mostly would of seen people slaughtered and massacred right in front of her eyes. Selphie is a child solider and again she looses quite alot of people that she knew thanks to Edea and Seifer destroying her "home " we see in Trabia by the grave site her emotionally upset but trying to remain tough speaking to the friends that she lost during the missile attack. Not to mention she feels responsible for their deaths because she couldn't stop the missile's in time. That's alot of trout for a seventeen year girl to go through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
Tifa becomes a Mother to Denzel and Marlene and realizes that her revenge scheming was wrong.
Selphie despite loosing her friends by a missile attack on her home, she reminds cheerful and brave.
Even Princess Garnet goes through alot of trout and I don't remember her ever whacking Kuja in the face.
Ashe she spends like 99% of the game grieving over her husband.
Even Cloud manages to move on from Aerith and Zack. Terra moves on from Leo and Locke moves from Rachel. Even Spoony Bard moves on from Anna quicker and faster than Ashe does.
It's amusing that your entire argument as to why Ashe is unable to control her emotions is based on one scene in the entire game.
Let's put some perspective on this:
Ashe - 17 years old:
- several brothers killed in war
- husband from an arranged marriage killed in war
- father assassinated by seemingly her own people
- faked her own death and became the leader of an underground resistance movement
Ashe - 19 years old:
- suffers from betrayal from her own people at least twice
- had the fate of an entire nation of people resting on her shoulders (with a population far bigger than both Tifa or Selphie's losses combined)
- deals with all of this in her stride and then in one scene, ONE SCENE - slaps the person she thought killed her father rather than running him through with her sword right there on the spot - apparently this makes her overly emotional.
- averts an unnecessary bloodbath at the very end as her guiding motive throughout was for her people rather than getting revenge
Selphie - 17 years old:
- Fails at stopping her home being destroyed. Gets emotional over it. Remains emotional.
Tifa:
- See's her hometown massacred by one man as a child - vows vengeance
- Engages in terrorist activities against an organisation as part of said vengeance killing innocents in the process and leaving thousands of others without electricity and probably other basic resources
- Eventually, through a male character, realizes that blind vengeance isn't the best motive
Ashe dealt with far more than the other two combined and remained emotionally stable for far longer than they did. From a very young age Ashe has had to deal with death, betrayal, conspiracy and then at age 17 (when the other two were busy falling off of cliffs or serving alcohol) got thrust to the role of leader of her under siege nation.
You must've played a very different Final Fantasy XII.Quote:
Ashe she spends like 99% of the game grieving over her husband.
I honestly don't even remember her grieving. I remember her seeing his ghost. More often than not, though, all I remember is her trying to figure out what the hell she's supposed to do about the political situation.
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Originally Posted by maybee
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You're just making up trout now....Quote:
Originally Posted by Aulayna
Tifa was a teen when she the events of Nibelhiem occurred. She didn't murder all innocents, she wanted to attack Shrina who are the opposite of innocent. She thought that she was helping the innocents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aulayna
Lol no. It was though discussion with the group that they all realized that they weren't the perfect bunch of freedom fighters that they assumed that they were.
Again lol no. Selphie and Tifa both dealt with death from young ages. Tifa lost her Mother and Selphie lost both of her parents and grew up in a orphanage with other kids who had lost their parents as well. At least Ashe had a proper home before trout started going sour; somebody like Selphie didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aulayna
You must of played a rare version of Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy VIII. Both of them called " None of the female characters go through any pain or sorrow in this version, they just either sit on Seventh Heaven and serve Beer or jump off cliffs " No Trabia scenes or Orphanage scenes included. Selphie just spends the whole game just jumping off cliffs... over and over again. Rated M +Quote:
Originally Posted by Aulayna
Perhaps maybee and the rest of us should just agree to disagree. ;) Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Thankyou !Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
I don't hate or dislike Ashe. I don't think or believe that she's the best female character within the series. That's all.
Ashe was one of the brighter points of FF XII and really should of been the main character.
And apparently you only played an FFXII where the only thing Ashe did was slap someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by maybee
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Fair enough.Quote:
I don't hate or dislike Ashe. I don't think or believe that she's the best female character within the series. That's all.
Gonna point out lil' Selphie in the Orphanage was perfectly happy. The loss of her parents never seemed to effect her whatsoever and it's entirely possible she never knew them at all.
Overcoming that loss is thus not comparable to Ashe's own father being brutally killed at what was supposed to be a meeting for peace.
My mind is really boggled at the Ashe hate. Overly emotional? Really? Ashe is one of, if not the, strongest female main characters of the entire FF series. She was determined and ruthless and assertive, and what emotions she did show only emphasized that she was also human.
I'm not sure about "best female character ever," but she's certainly a worthy favorite for the series.
I don't see how it's so unusual for Ashe to stay in control. It was an arranged marriage. She didn't know the guy.
Terra, however, went through the ringer, acknowledged her emotions, and kept on fighting like hell anyways. Terra is worth ten thousand Ashes.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen Bleys
This is why IMO Ashe is not the best female in the series because there is women characters like Terra hanging around.
About the marriage she did love Prince Rasler. Who wouldn't ? He was like a attractive version of General Leo. But Ashe loved him before and after his death; very much so.
I only used that scene as a example that Ashe doesn't completely control her emotions. So not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aulayna
You sure ? You're not going to bite on me for not thinking that Ashe is the best thing ever ?
.... Oh wait....
...all of this applies to Ashe as well....Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen Bleys
Seriously, Ashe isn't the best written female in history or anything but the arguments against her in this thread are flimsy to say the least.
You spin me right round baby right round...
Let's try to keep this argument from just going in circles if possible.
I fear that this could happen very soon, and it never ends well.
Ashe is a great character, Terra is a great character. Noone here is trying to argue otherwise. There's no sense in arguing which is better because it's so largely subjective.
I saw it as like a debate at first. Whether Ashe really is the best female character in the series, but yeah it has headed into a argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrollHunter
It's all a matter of opinion anyways.
Actually, FFVI SpoilersTerra was pretty keen on not fighting and just leaving it to the other guys. If Humbaba never attacked the second time, she'd probably never have rejoined the fight and the rest of the heroes would have still been victorious at the end (although they probably would have died with Kefka without Terra to save them).Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen Bleys
As for this thread starting as a debate and ending up an argument: It actually started as a thread to discuss why Ashe is the best female character ever. Technically, every single time someone has posted something negative about this idea, they have been off topic. It's not to discuss why she is not, it's to discuss why she is. We've had similar threads for Sabin and Sephiroth and the naysayers were instructed to start a new thread if they wanted to debate it, as those threads were for appreciation rather than for a debate, and I think this thread falls in line with that.
In short, let's start focusing on the positives.
Killer thighs.
She doesn't put up with Vaan when he acts stupid! :monster:
So you're overemotional when you slap someone that you're pretty sure killed your king and father?
Yeah, I guess I am pretty over emotional too then.
You can't destroy an entire argument because of one slapping of thine face. Given the context, if that went to court on a assault charge you'd be hard pressed to convict her.
I really like Ashe. She had to put up with alot, really alot. And she came out great. Sure, she had those visions of Rastler but they were because of the occuria I think.
Besides, she won best heroine. Enough said.
Her magic stat makes her perfect as my katana user :D