Okay people. Let's get a new argument out there. This time, it's about the game of chess.
Is it a sport or not?
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Okay people. Let's get a new argument out there. This time, it's about the game of chess.
Is it a sport or not?
No.
sport
/spôrt/
Noun
An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others.
ex·er·tion
/igˈzərSHən/
Noun
Physical or mental effort.
ef·fort
/ˈefərt/
Noun
1. A vigorous or determined attempt.
2. The result of an attempt.
so if you're chessing REALLY INTENSELY then yes, it's a sport
however most people do not chess like this so i'm gonna have to go with game
e: aulayna you gotta be freaking kidding me this is almost as bad as the soup thing
I hear that the IOC recognizes Chess as a sport, mind you. :greenie:
How do you play chess really intensely? I suppose if you run between two or more games it could count as physical exertion, but seeing as that is not how much games of chess are played, I will go with a no, it is not a sport.
Though I don't really consider synchronized swimming to be a sport either.
Anything you play sitting down isn't a sport.
It's recognized as a sport. It's a sport.
:monster:
What about rowing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
Although, yeah, what Del said.
Tebow spent most of last year sitting down. Does that mean he's not an athlete?Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
If we're defining exertion as being a physical or mental effort, wouldn't Chess fall under that category?
No, because "sport" is defined as physical exertion.
No, it's a game. It doesn't require physical exertion.
I guess moving the chess pieces doesn't count as "physical exertion" then?
physical exertion. exertion that is physical.
definition of "exertion": physical or mental effort. since we have previously specified that the exertion is physical, clearly that means we are referring to physical effort.
definition of "physical" should be quite obvious.
definition of "effort": A vigorous or determined attempt. Vigorous or determined. Are you making a vigorous or determined attempt to move those pieces? Well, unless you're playing with gigantic pieces made of stone or some equally heavy material, the average person (even most below-average people) is not really making a vigorous or determined attempt to physically move the pieces.
of course there is mental exertion involved in chess. no one, i believe, would argue against this point. however, that is not the point of contention regarding the classification of chess as a sport. the point of contention is a physical one. If you classify chess as a "sport", then you are also agreeing to classify other activities with similar physical requirements, such as sitting upright in a chair or reading a book, as sports. If you do this, then, well, you're just a Loony.
edit: also if you're just going by what some organization says rather than forming your own opinion based on logic then well
well
You're forgetting that sport involves skill and competition. Chess requires mental skill to play, and it's very competitive. There are chess tournaments played.
are you wearing a cup while involved in this activity? if the answer is "yes", you're playing a sport.
Wheelchair basketballQuote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
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Originally Posted by Rebellious Eagle
I will concede to rowing and wheelchair basketball but ONLY IF the person normally is in a wheelchair. If you are able to play basketball outside a wheelchair and choose to use one to play, then you aren't playing a sport; you're being a dumbass.
It's not nice to call people names :(
fair point, but:Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Proto
skill and competition does not make an activity a sport. physical exertion, skill, and competition, all together, make an activity a sport. physical exertion is a required component.Quote:
Originally Posted by the gosh dang dictionary that google used
Hey, moving those chess pieces is hard. All that wrist movement and the fingers and just... ugh.
Chess is a mind sport though. And I do believe mind sports are considered sport.
If you aren't playing chess intensely then you aren't playing it right.
There are no olympic winter mind sports.
It's a damn board game.
Really grasping at straws here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Proto
Do you bums have anything to talk about besides inane semantic arguments? Like, what are you going to d o this weekend? Anyways, I'm thirsty. Gonna go grab myself a cup of soup and maybe a can of soda too! (<---- that's an exclamation point, by the way)
Agent Proto, your Loony BoB impersonation is spot on.
I think handicapped nondiscrimination should cut both ways. Walkers should be allowed to play wheelchair basketball :colbert:Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
To play devil's advocate. All mental exertions are physical exertions unless you subscribe to some theory of mind-body dualism. So given that mental activities and physical activities are to a large degree interrelated, quite possibly co-dependent if not co-terminus, then yes at any point you do a mental activity you are necessarily doing a physical activity. Moreover, all physical activity takes mental activity as it roots (with the exception of reflex systems). Partnered with the skill and competitiveness of chess there is an argument to be made for it as a sport.
As for synchro, my sister used to do it. It takes a lot to be good at it. Just because it looks easy does not make it easy. The fact that it looks so easy probably is indicative of a lot of work and training.
More to the point, do I actually care if chess is a sport or not? NO.
Except the International Olympic Committee classifies it as a sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
Chess Olympiad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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You mean that soup thing where I agreed with the majority? How bad of me.Quote:
e: aulayna you gotta be freaking kidding me this is almost as bad as the soup thing
:D Pretty much why I don't bother with EoEO - though it is comedy gold sometimes watching people getting their knickers in a twist over the meanings of a word and frolicking in endless roundabout arguments over it.Quote:
Do you bums have anything to talk about besides inane semantic arguments? Like, what are you going to d o this weekend? Anyways, I'm thirsty. Gonna go grab myself a cup of soup and maybe a can of soda too! (<---- that's an exclamation point, by the way)
End of Thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
No for me. I'd classify it as a mind game instead.
I don't know. Maybe if the pieces were replaced by MMA fighters, and instead of a board it was a cage, and instead of boring people to death there were actually fights to the death. And hot dog vendors.
Just because something competitive doesn't classify it as a sport.
Next thing you know, you're going to start saying video games are sports.
No, just no.
Well, they are called eSports...
ITT: nerds being the authority on what constitute sports :monster:
I want desperately to fall on the side of sports involving what is typically thought of as physical activity, but so long as things like Dressage and shooting are considered sports and even in the Olympics, anyone trying to use that argument to say Chess isn't a sport is probably wrong. Sure, you can argue that all of those things aren't sports and shouldn't be in the Olympics, but the governing body for the premier international sporting event still disagrees.
At best that tells us that while there is some disagreement on what constitutes a sport, physical exertion isn't a pre-requisite under all definitions so referring to Chess as a sport is at least not incorrect based on that criteria.
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Originally Posted by kotora
Chess is a sport, but chess players aren't athletes. :monster:
That's not playing the devil's advocate, that's just being right.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
I don't think it is a coincidence that many of the top "esports" (that's a dumb term!) players also make sure to stay in good physical health. Your brain is most definitely affected by your general physical health.
As much as poker.
Course It's smurfing Not A Sport. What next? Bridge? Poker? Tiddly smurfing winks?
A sport must be "in no way harmful to any living creature". I've seen Russians play chess. It cannot be a sport.
Judging by how a single stray shirt thread from an opposing players shirt can cause a career threatening injury I'd say that Premier League football isn't a sport anymore either.
Ah, you're being facetious. Point lost.
Chess is not a sport. A much more interesting debate is whether shooting is a sport.
Also, mind sports? What the hell? Isn't that just called 'thinking'? Give me a minute, I need to mind sport about this for a while.
'Mind sports' LMAO,
Fair enough, next for debate: Monopoly & the popular TV Quiz, Wheel Of Fortune.
Also, rugby uses "sport" as a disguise for its true purpose; inflicting all manner of harm upon your fellow man. The more I think on this, the more I realise nothing counts as a sport anymore. :(
For me? Definitely a game. While I love playing it, I wouldn't say it's a sport.
If playing frigging Starcraft is a sport these days, I guess chess can be too.
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Originally Posted by Quinter Wonderland
There is a very clear difference between physical sports, like football, and esports, like Starcraft. Nobody in either realm is going to calm, with any real seriousness, that Starcraft is akin to football or baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Manus
If you get a circulatory collapse from thinking about how you get the checkmate, then yes, it is sport.
Other than that is just called "sport of brains/thinkers". I mean, math is probably sport then, too. Normally you define "sports" as something physical which can be seen and I don't think about someone sitting at a chess board and sweating because it is a hard turn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvoOBbChxb4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIWYy97-KsQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA1nAE1czuo
Maybe this is chess as a sport and no, I don't mean the battle scene but the game and thinking.
Judging by your previous posts in this thread I think it is safe to say you cannot consider playing videogames to be a sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by BunnyThere is a very clear difference between physical sports, like football, and esports, like Starcraft. Nobody in either realm is going to calm, with any real seriousness, that Starcraft is akin to football or baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Manus
Not for me. Chess is a game, plain and simple.
Not to complicate the issue any further but what do we all think about snooker?
A sport? I would say so, chess.
Chess can be a sport so long as me telling people on the internet they are wrong can also be a sport.
I believe any game that can be described by discreet actions is not a sport. There must be some form of physical quantum action chaos theory is involved. As such games like starcraft which while seem continuous are defined by discreet computer bits is not a sport, neither is chess where each move is a discreet action.
Try to find an exception to that rule
Your Mom.
i respect people who it it as more than I see it as, as more of a sport
however this tends towards rather heated (and in the extremes) rabid & potentially harmful competition, which i tend to mislike if it turns rather ugli(er), and people are hurt
thusly, i voted no, it is not a sport, i do not treat it as a competetive sport, such as tennis or badmington, tho it IS competitive at times. it's a battle of attrition, and a game wherein to lose is truly to win, as you improve, both in the game's form of logic-based logistical problem-solving, and just in general
if I have kids some day, when they're not reading something they feel like enjoying, or gaming etc. they will learn of the values of cool calm, reason and logic in the face of an adversary trying to bluff you into a blunder
good practice for life, in a way
Not a sport, but is cheerleading? :p
Well if syncronised swiming is I dont see why notQuote:
Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod
I'm not entirely sure. If it is though I don't think I'd care who won. I'd just pray it goes the distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod
No but it is an artform.
You have obviously never tried it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod
If Chess is a sport then you could call playing a game of Call of Duty a sport.
Some people do! :monster:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocket Edge
When I want to manhandle ~100 lbs, I just go to the gym.Quote:
Originally Posted by BunnyYou have obviously never tried it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod
I kinda feel sorry for your girlfriend.
She weighs more than that. :p