The Final Fantasy Fansite That Changed Thousands Of People's Lives
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WHAT?
Oh man this is amazing. I will sit down and read through it all but god damn Azar nice work. I had no idea you were employed by Kotaku too, that is great.
EDIT: So it turns out this was already posted :p
The article came to my attention from someone in my university's gamer's guild. Huh, small world, isn't it?
This is incredibly awesome.
Awesome.
If someone read this before coming here they'd think BoB was Jesus
This is downright amazing. I feel famous!
Wow. That was an excellent read, and very sobering. Oh man, all those old front page screenshots, the nostalgia!
Reading that also made me realize that I'd probably be a different person if not for this site. :)
This site changed a lot of people's lives! Thanks Azar for writing it!
(SPOILER)oh god does this mean the kotaku crowd is going to start coming to the site
(SPOILER)No offense to Azar, but good god I hope not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike
Shocked that Fenlon didn't go to Towns for ten million pie charts etc.
e;Murdrage inc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenlon
MURD ARE YOU GOING TO LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THAT??Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
It was just freelance, but I was really glad to be able to get it published on Kotaku. Hope a lot of people read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
When I came up with the Godfather analogy I just knew it was a terrible thing to do to Del Murder, but I liked it too much to pass it up!
BoB isn't Jesus?
Seriously awesome though. :D
Beautiful article article, Wes. Seriously. It's cool to read the comments and see various people coming out of the woodwork that used to post here. I had briefly brainstormed an idea for an EoFF documentary talking about stuff like this back when Sean first made that thread, but seeing this piece get visibility scratches that itch for me. Very well done.
Everyone knows Morgan Freeman is JesusQuote:
Originally Posted by Unbreakable Will
In all seriousness this is super cool, great work my friend :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by AzarIt was just freelance, but I was really glad to be able to get it published on Kotaku. Hope a lot of people read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
When I came up with the Godfather analogy I just knew it was a terrible thing to do to Del Murder, but I liked it too much to pass it up!
Awesome :o
Azar: I must admit when you first told me about the article, I didn't have very high expectations. But wow, you knocked this one out of the park. From the comments, it looks like people who had never even heard of EoFF were absorbed by your overview of the rise and decline of fansites through EoFF's story. Great job. And I'm glad at least one of my quotes made the cut!
Now I have the urge to play Sick Irony again.
Threads merged :)
Why was it terrible? Because there was no mention of me and my tragic death when 100 FFL members ambushed me at a tollbooth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Azar
According to Kotaku comments, Danielle, that "blond girl" is reminiscent of Tifa. I wonder what that guy is trying to say...
clearly more people need to actually watch the godfather since none of you knew del was sonny :colbert:
but i digress
excellent article, wes.
Awesome job Azar. It was quite a good read and reading through the comments reminds me of some of the old battles on this site. Especially the top one complaining about FFVII when clearly VI is the superior game. Then the argument wages on and people start bringing up other stuff.
Nice read. :D EoFF has been through a lot, but here we are. :} Hopefully we'll get through another couple of years.
If I'm Sonny and BoB is Michael I guess that makes Psychotic Fredo. :monster:Quote:
Originally Posted by Denmark
Great article Azar! Though you did lose some credibility by interviewing Raistlin.
Not gonna lie, when I found out about this it pushed me over the edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del MurderWhy was it terrible? Because there was no mention of me and my tragic death when 100 FFL members ambushed me at a tollbooth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Azar
BoB, I like how you just had to include your love of spreadsheets in your interview.
Actually a three hour interview... Azar chose to throw it in, I guess. It seems some things about me simply MUST be told to the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike
Still. Excel spreadsheets are important.
That was a seriously great read. :up:
Great article, for Kotaku ;P
Simultaneously the best and worst comparison ever. BoB, I demand an avatar change to a youthful looking Al Pacino.Quote:
If Sean Robinson is Eyes on Final Fantasy's Vito Corleone, Daniel Towns is its Michael.
Nice read :)
I loved it. And my ego is soothed that I was vaguely referenced in the most vaguest of ways.
Thank you, Azar. You make an old man proud.
Did you forget who you are speaking to for a minute, or...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Manus
I'm pretty happy with how it all turned out. Fantastic job, Azar.
I do remember a Marvin the Martian avatar rocking it for a while at some point in the not too distant past, so it can't be entirely out of the question.
Excellent article, Azar. :)
Nice work.
I teared up a little bit. Life has changed so much since those days. Being an overly hyper, boyfriend obsessed bundle of perversion and exclamation points are days I'd rather not remember too vividly but this site helped me get through some pretty dark and trying times in my life. (Though, I could still do without the crush I had on PG for like a week or two when I first joined. WTH.)
My interview lasted about an hour (roughly, as we had to switch from Skype to phone), and at the end I actually apologized to Azar for rambling on for that long. He told me not to worry about it, as he had also interviewed you. I fully understood even before he told me how long that interview was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
EDIT:
That may be the most embarrassing thing anyone has ever confessed to on EoFF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzakeru
He was gloomy and mysterious! I couldn't help myself! :( I blame video games.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaistlinThat may be the most embarrassing thing anyone has ever confessed to on EoFF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzakeru
Did he happen to sexz0rz you as a newbie?Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzakeruHe was gloomy and mysterious! I couldn't help myself! :( I blame video games.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaistlinThat may be the most embarrassing thing anyone has ever confessed to on EoFF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzakeru
I couldn't keep track of all the sex0r-assailants and cookie givers from a time long ago. Also, ( just to keep this all circular back around to distract everyone from my embarrassing admittance ) - BoB scared me when I first started. His scary giant-eyed signature made me feel awkward time to time.
Having been here most of EoFF's life that was pretty interesting to read :D
also I should have been interviewed for my awesomeness of course. Or I could have talked about the devastating impact eoff has had on my life! :p
This is great. Well done, guys!
Hey! Now that's not fair. I've already (somehow) missed this site by a good 16 years. Had it not been for Kotaku, I would have never found you all! Finally! A place that's all about Final Fantasy! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DMKA(SPOILER)No offense to Azar, but good god I hope not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike
I enjoyed reading this.
:jess: don't let me scare you away! Welcome to EoFF!Quote:
Originally Posted by johnathanHey! Now that's not fair. I've already (somehow) missed this site by a good 16 years. Had it not been for Kotaku, I would have never found you all! Finally! A place that's all about Final Fantasy! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DMKA(SPOILER)No offense to Azar, but good god I hope not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike
Man, that brought me back.
Literally.
Eeeeeeew!
I'd never heard of that website, but sweet. Thanks for clearing up what the name of the other brother was, too.
Well done, Azar. :)
I want to thank everyone who I talked to for the story, including Leeza, who I had a nice phone conversation with, and new member LocoColt, who gave me some great insight about The Final Fantasy. I didn't end up having a place for any material I got from either of them.
And there are probably a hundred people out there who would've had something great to say about the site, so I hope you don't feel overlooked. I know there are a lot of fond memories of this place that would still make for great stories. Similarly, those of you who are still around should feel happy that EoFF is to you now what it was for a lot of people a decade ago, which was what I focused on. That's something that Sean said to me while we were talking, and it's totally true--that sense of community is still here if you're looking for it.
I got to tell Sean's story, and in a too-brief way talk about what I think was a very special time for the Internet that has now mostly disappeared. But there are a lot of other stories out there. Thousands! If you Skyped with and went around videotaping interviews with every member who had a story to tell, well, that could make for a pretty awesome documentary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoeberto
I'd watch it. :monster:
eoff hollywood true story
Oh hey, n00bs.
Maybe some of you will actually stick around. :monster:
If someone would have told me that all these years later I would have read such a lengthy and thorough article while taking a dump on my smart phone, I would have said, "That sounds like neat technology. Can't wait until it comes out!"
Seriously, well done Azar. Very cool article.
Though my life has kept me quite busy these days, I have continued on as a lurker here, and check kotaku a few times a week. It was quite shocking to me to see that two of the three sites I frequent (the third being nintendoworldreport, or as it was, planetgamecube) directly connected to each other.
This community was definitely good to me in my high school and college years!
THE JACKEL
Welp, my first student read the article and found me. >_<
I'm terrified that that is going to happen a lot. I assume you're used to your kids discovering who you are, Sean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cid
Actually, no students know (til tonight, I guess). Separate lives, true to the article...
Is there anything professionally wrong with that being the case? I feel like we expect a lot out of our educators. Most of my friends who are teachers confirm this over and over again: they're not allowed to have lives outside of work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cid
There is always just a little concern that when kids know something personal about you that they will view you differently (less professionally). On the other hand, I know a lot of teachers that play xbox live with students and add them on facebook. To each their own, I guess.
Nice read :jess:
It was a good article. I don't understand most of the nostalgic stuff but I do know that this site has greatly affected my life as well. It has brought me to a new country 1000 miles from home.
Here's hoping it just makes you even more the cool teacher! I'm very curious to hear how they react.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cid
And yet you treat it like that. :nonono:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephex
Was a good read :p
Way to be a shining example of our community, Azar. Seriously, so incredibly well-done.
We need to have this clipped into EoFF history (*cough*Wiki*cough*) because it is too good to be forgotten among the rest of the nonsense in General Chat.
Easily good enough for the General Archive once the thread stops getting posted in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
Sephex: There's a good Cyanide & Happiness comic for that somewhere.
No, we need the wiki is what we need. :colbert:
Yeah, I've always said that Kotaku has nothing but terrible articles.
-I'm kidding, this is pretty cool.
BUSTEDQuote:
Originally Posted by Cid
Good read. Who knew this forum would endure for this long.
Hah, you had to know this would happen. I would think this makes you about 1000x cooler, but then again some of your students might be like "forums? fansites? 1999? wtf is this trout?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Cid
thanks for the mention cid! i know ffwa isnt as big anymore but theres still stuff happening there. check it: https://www.facebook.com/dreachan/po..._t=share_reply
kotaku on old fansites - FF:WA
good read!
Out of curiosity, what happened to the wiki?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
One of the updates broke the log in system and it was never fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by AulaynaOut of curiosity, what happened to the wiki?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty
So it looks like a portion of FFO's community splintered off when it shut down to form FF Society, and there's a thread about this article: The Final Fantasy Fansite that changed thousands | General Discussion | Forums | Final Fantasy Society
Of course, a lot of the discussion involves a tiny portion of the article: my one quote where I talk about how strict it was back then. xD Though I am amused that some of the old staff agreed with me in the Kotaku comments. Regardless of the merits of my statement (and '99 FFO certainly did have a reputation for being more ban-happy than '06 EoFF with a room full of snow penises), it's good to see how Azar's article and EoFF has been noticed by the remnants of those other old FF fansites.
so how many people are actually left of those who have started on ffo and then moved to ffwa only to end up on eoff? ive been active more or less on all of them. most active on ffwa of course, which i have been maintaining since 2003 or something like that. occasionally dropping in here and on ffo... which recently died, did you hear?
also sup raistlin ff7 master
Well now that's a brain bug that's going to stick around. Maybe I'll end up with enough free time someday in the future to pull it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azar
Damn, that was quite the powerful article.
Even though ive only been here for a short time a lot of this stuff still hits home.
And cid: dont worry, one of our schools favorite teachers likes to talk about his adventures in gta4. The way i see it, a good teacher balances being professional with being really fun and relatable. I expect that you do that fine. I doubt that students knowing of eoff will ruin your reputation or anything. ^^
EDIT: and wait... Someone had a crush on PG? Oh man, thats just.... I have no words.
I wish I could get this Facebook link to load. Someone mentioned it in the comments as well. Sounds like quite the reunion!Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan
I was talking to PG when I read this. I mentioned it to him, and his response was, "Um... well, whatever works."Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzakeruHe was gloomy and mysterious! I couldn't help myself! :( I blame video games.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaistlinThat may be the most embarrassing thing anyone has ever confessed to on EoFF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzakeru
I like how they rag on FFOnline I joined that forum before. The staff on there or at least back then were some straight up asses!
That was a very good and informative read. I didn't read all of it just yet, but I'll come back and give my full opinion on it.
I've only recently really posted anything on this forum and have been a lurker for a little longer than that, but I thoroughly enjoyed the article. I wish I could have known about this community back when I was younger. I used to enjoy the idea of forums, but I could never really find a community as enjoyable as EoFF seems to be. I also was one of the only people amongst my friends who were fans of Final Fantasy and felt isolated in that considering how big of a part of my life those games played.
Not many, unfortunately. I know BOU posted at FFO a little (he was among those who bragged that he was banned from there), and possibly RSL. I'm not sure if any of the other original FFWAers (Cid, Asorie, Jojo/TifaL) ever posted at FFO -- and they don't post here much anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan
Oh man, nostalgia overload. xD Martin and I lived and breathed FF7; I was so irritated when Rob made me moderator of the FFT forum instead of FF7 (somewhat ironic considering FFT is now my favorite FF). I also fondly remember The Beer Crusade in FFWA's General Chat, which was especially ridiculous for a 12-year-old to be participating in. Those threads were the reason that I was thoroughly disappointed when I didn't actually like Guinness years later haha.Quote:
also sup raistlin ff7 master
i also started on ffo
You did??? I didn't remember that. You had a more roundabout path to EoFF than through FFWA, though. Weren't you part of Edge's EzBoard? (lol Edge I still can't believe Elyse ever dated him ahaha) I don't think I ever met you until tGA started.
Surf *****ing is efficient. :mad2:Quote:
Originally Posted by PantzAnd yet you treat it like that. :nonono:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephex
FFO > FFWA > some guy posted about tGA eZBoard that he needed help to be turks so i immediately jumped on the idea and registered a global ezboard handle of reno leonheart. then tGA and cheesecake and nuthouse were the only places i really hung out. there was another board i don't remember the name of it. some girl with an a name, and NIAP ran it?
anyway then this one weekend in 2000 i was bored at my uncles so i regged here cause i knew you lot hung out here for some reason. i made like 5 posts that weekend and left forever.
Well this certainly brought back a lot of old memories. I wonder if anyone remembers me and Lostnumber?
I remember the both of ya.
Of course! There's a plan in action for Losty at the minute, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by starseeker
Anyways...
I WAS banned for like 4 years and came back 2 or maybes 3 years ago, I can't remember.
BUT, I still have plenty of memories. I lurked here for donkey's years before registering and eventually getting banned for being a total nonce but hey... IT HAPPENS.
I know that feeling, Cid. I do a lot of stuff around the internet under a different name or two and it is always awkward when someone goes, 'Oh, you're also ________ too? Lemme do a google search of everything you've ever posted ever." It makes you feel pants-less but in a bad way.
Yes. I had a crush on PG when I was in high school for like a week or two. He shouldn't be surprised. It was obvious. Lol pika pika pfft. If we take a moment to consider the timing of all this, that was easily about 12 years ago. :cool:
I came over here as a result of reading the article. Sounded like my kind of community.
I'm 99% sure I was here a long long time ago but it was at a time in which I joined many forums under many usernames and only stuck around on a select few.
Well written article.
It makes you wonder though, what if something were to happen to LB now?
Also, I agree with Raist, I don't think this article gets Cid cool-points with the school kids. EoFF isn't Reddit. Only old people play on forums anymore. XD
Don't kill me off! But EoFF would go on without me, I'm sure of that. I don't do much these days besides get my sig abused mercilessly. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by chionos
I'm all for manlove. Just not in my signature.
I think it's time for another All-Male Group Hug in BoB's signature.
If only! :love:Quote:
Originally Posted by krissy
Is that reno who just registered?
No at all!
Thanks to you, Wes, my partner of 6 1/2 years finally learned about my "secret" life here and just how involved I used to be.
Not that I tried to hide it but my decline in activity here does roughly correspond to meeting her. I guess I too was looking for meaningful relationships but happened to find it outside EoFF.
Both she and I think your article is brilliantly written. In the desert of mediocre writing that is the internet your piece stands out as an oasis of journalism. Or some other superlative metaphor. :)
And we look forward to hanging out soon! Thanks so much for doing something wonderful for this community. I will fondly remember this homage to the pioneering, "wild west" internet.
Also Fuzy that is f'ing hilarious! I've known you and PG how long now?! Oh man... :D
Too much! I'm just glad I could write something meaningful that expressed some of the importance this place had on me without making it about me. I got to be personal without being indulgent.Quote:
Originally Posted by -N-
And now your wife knows just how much of a nerd you are!
So here's to you, Mr. Robinson. :cheers:
That's a strikingly fitting epithet for the internet pre-2003.Quote:
Originally Posted by -N-
Hey, only two attempts needed to remember my password!
EoFF was important, no doubt about it, just like FFO or FFWA were, or any of the hundreds, hell, thousands of online communities that sprang up between 1995-2005, as were the BBS systems from the mid-70's to the mid-90's, because they were an integral part of geek culture's pubescence. They were places where people who were outcasts IRL could find others of like mind, talk about the shared love for whatever fandom it was that they had, and along the way, discover all the the other things they had in common. Where we struggled to connect to people in "the real world" (and man, has that phrase proved to be completely inaccurate or what?), we could always connect online. Unless our crappy 33.6k dial-up modems flaked on us. Stupid bastard things.
In many ways, EoFF isn't that remarkable when compared to many of the communities of yesteryear in their heyday; the thing that I believe lifts it above most others though, is that it is still here, it is still strong, and even in today's Facebook/Twitter/YouTube-dominated world, it's still relevant.
One of the things I liked the most, looking back, was the incestuousness of the FF forum community, and the sideways movement into other arenas of interest: FFWA, FFO, EoFF, FFL, Legardinia, Fool's Gold, tGA, FFRepublic, Advent Children.net, and the various other spinoffs that all had commonalities, and also great differences, where if you were in the mood for something different, you could head to a place that'd cater for that, but still be around familiar faces. It's kinda like having Cheers next to Central Perk next to The Bronze next to MacLaren's, and so on and so on. One day you might want beer, the next coffee, the next a rave, but everywhere you went, your friends would always be there too. Online, it was virtually (hah!) impossible to ever be alone, unless you actually tried at it, whereas it's all too easy to entirely bounce off people and communities and activities IRL.
Really, when I think about it, it just comes down to the simple fact that the internet is a wonderful place, and I'm glad to have had it in my life at an important time when I was growing up.
Now to disappear for another good few years...
...oh, and what do you mean I'm late? Not my fault Towns didn't send a stupid email until to--*gets shot by a sniper*
Holy trout, it's Spatvark. How're you doing? :monster:
You just missed him. He'll be back in a couple of years.
SPATVAAAAAARK!
i don't hear you chain-casting Lex Aeterna !! :aimmad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spatvark
How have you been these past five years?!
I hope you were about to say totally ages ago, because I sent an email to you ages ago. I'm pretty sure it was even personalised! Must've gone to your spambox or something. We had a reunion and you were most certainly in demand (you can probably accept our Steam friend requests now, too, right?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Spatvark
I MISSED YOU SPATTY ;_; STAY FOREVER. Or at least add me to Facebook if you have one so I can nag you in a far easier way. >=]
I love how they chose they picture of Daniel and smitten. Daniel looks like such a pervy version of Tom Cruise in that picture.
We chose it... it's the only good recent pic we have of ourselves. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiny
Shiny makes me self-concious. :cry: But hey, at least I still look like Tom Cruise after all these years. ^_^
On the plus side he did make all the Reddit nerds jealous.