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So like a long, loooong time ago during my first playthrough I didn't use Aeris all that much. And in every playthrough since then, I never really used her cause I didn't see any point in it. But not that there's an achievement for getting her Level 4 limit, I've been grinding her up and she has some of the best. She can fill up everyone else's limit, has free Esuna, a free heal, can turn everyone invincible. Wish I knew this earlier.
In my first play through she was my main gal. I was incredibly depressed when she died. I kept restarting trying to see what I could do to save her.
I may not have liked the character, but she did indeed have some useful limit breaks :monster:
The shell of Aerith: No physical strength. Barely impression magic stats. Plot-wise only her death is relevant. LIMIT Breaks are her ONLY redeeming quality. Tifa, on the hand, has TWO. :cool:
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She is a decent support character, but in a game where you don't really need support characters, I never found her usefulness to outweigh her drawbacks. She shines in longer boss fights, but is a weaker choice for everything in between (and a third strong fighter would make you less likely to need her support in the first place). Combined with the added detriment of everything you do to her being erased after the first disc, as well as my general dislike of her character, and you have me rarely wanting to use her in battle.
I always thought it was interesting how much her Limit Breaks resemble Final Fantasy VIII magic. It's like they watched Aeris when they were planning that game.
I always used Aerith, mainly because you don't have her forever, but still. Her high magic is awesome. Give her your strongest magic, with an all materia, and she can clear the field in no time. While she is rather fragile at times, what with her low health, Aerith is more than capable of being a damage dealer.
Can't beat the Materia Keeper without Aeris' Seal Evil. :(
Really? I always worry I'm going to kill him before he uses trine on me, don't think I have ever had a problem with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
I don't even use Aerith in that battle.The only one who has a say on this is me. I've used Aeris in combat. I'm not impressed with her magic ability. Lawyered.Quote:
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A remake should seriously fix these issues. Having Aeris in your group should have an impact on the flow of the story even if it doesn't save her life. There should be some motivation for using her other than the fact that you just don't know yet that leveling her up will be useless by the end.
You must be a hard man to impress, she kills whatever enemies I use her with when casting, sufficient enough for me to get her limit to at least Fury Brand and make her appearance highly worth while in any boss fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercen-XI don't even use Aerith in that battle.The only one who has a say on this is me. I've used Aeris in combat. I'm not impressed with her magic ability. Lawyered.Quote:
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In my playthrough of FF7, I only had Aeris in my party when she was forced into it, so I don't think I saw any of her Limit Breaks beyond the first one.
Aerith is great simply because she has a healing limit, and it usually comes in handy that it gets executed with priority. Give her some more heals and attack magic, and you have a character you can always use. Her other limits are great, too, yeah.
In the past, I've probably just assembled a party based on attack strength and disregarded the healing, but I also spent a lot of time grinding in the past. In my current playthrough, I've done almost no grinding, so having a healer is nice. I guess I'll have to rely on materia to do all of the healing when she dies.
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Just going to leave this here, I have JUST got the buggy and without any unnecessary grinding (thanks to the low low encounter rate for Yuffie in the Junon Wooded Area), I have got all her limits before I can ever get a chance to grab Great Gospel, which I might add, I do have the Mithril for: I'm just awaiting for the old man to get back to his shack.
Oh and Beta and Aqualung along with every other available Enemy Skill up to this point is also a very nice bonus when placed on a high magic stat user... like Aerith, who deals between 1200-1500 damage to all opponents with each casting. Bosses get slaughtered within seconds.
I don't like grinding a lot especially in the beginning of bgames. I usually reserve that for end game, so I've never seen Aeris' limit breaks past the 2nd.
I haven't done any grinding (but I got Yuffie; again, really quickly) and I just got the buggy, and my Aerith is level 21, but I don't have anything past Seal Evil.
I hate everything about Aeris except for her character design and her limit breaks.
It actually really sucks when you lose her, because you don't get any more healing limit breaks. :(
I didn't grind though, as soon as you leave Midgar you have access to the ES Matra Magic, which kills almost any group of enemies: just have Aerith kill everything and it becomes Par for course. Secondly I have Cloud at his second limit break also without grinding, when you take into consideration that he requires 120 enemies, only a blind man could fail to see that getting her limits is completely par for course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Depression Moon
Lets break it down: she requires 160 kills in total to be able to unlock 2/1 and 3/1 even if you're not going for her 4/1 limit, it seems such a waste NOT to use her if only for her Fury Brand.
Also if you hang around sector 7 just before the plate falls you can get her Striking Staff if you steal it from Eligor, which puts her attack higher then Cloud right up until he gets Hardedge, Barrett until you can steal it from Custom Sweeper (oudside Midgar) and Tifa until you steal it from Madouge (Mithril Mines).
When we take into account how easy Beta is to get as soon as you leave Midgar (yes without grinding it is 100% do able as seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_FUCyFclBw ) with Aeriths high magic stat, she goes from being "poor fighter" to boss slaughterer within minutes of leaving Midgar.
People who prioritize attack over magic are going to be spend a great deal longer killing any enemy I mean you run into a group of 5 Cappawire cast matra magic and bam... 5 dead caps or you can attack with Cloud, he does (with hardedge) about 150 damage, they have an HP of 210, now it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the math on this one.
You were very lucky then lol, I honestly thought the game was broken when I was setting out to get her.Quote:
Originally Posted by comma
Not entirely true. Sometimes Cait Sith randomly gets a healing Limit Break. I've had it happen on a few occasions not expecting it. Not a guaranteed thing, but it's happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's Boobs
Doesn't Yuffie have a healing one?
One of Yuffie's early limit breaks is a healing one that is good in an emergency, but not particularly necessary. The strength in Aerith's limits lies more in the supporting role of her later limits: filling the limit guage of the party (can be a huge game-changer) and casting temporary invincibility.
Yuffie has one too. I forgot. But it's like level 1 isn't it?
I got Yuffie pretty early on too. Ther's a 12% chance you'll run into her in the forests by Ft. Condor ... That's where I got her. You have to answer her questions right though in any first encounter you have with her.
To be fair, Aeris will be one of your biggest physical attackers if you're savvy enough to steal a Mythril Staff(?) from the chariot enemy while going through the train graveyard. Cloud gets a similar weapon (Hardedge?) from the SOLDIER: 3rds on the upper floors of the Shinra tower before you get caught.
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Just that Aerith leaves you 3 metres later.Quote:
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That is entirely beside the point, the point is she is a viable character for both physical and magical attack when it gets down to it.Quote:
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Originally Posted by WildRaubtier
In actual fact if you really wanted to use her as an attacker you could get the Umbrella from the Gold Saucer which has an attack power of 58, weapons the likes of which do not have the same attack power till you get to the Icicle Inn so lets think about how long you could have her doing more damage then your average attacker:
Gold Saucer > Desert Prision > Gongaga > Cosmo Canyon > Niblheim > Rocket Town > Wutai *Note: You can get Nanaki's Hairpin which gives him an attack of 57* > Gold Saucer > Temple of the Ancients.
That's right the rest of the game she is in our party, so all this trout about her not being a good fighter is exactly that: trout.
I hope you know that I know it is not really a measuring unit for time.
And it is not beside the point because you have mentioned she is the strongest attacker until you get Hardedge, Atomic Scissors, et cetera and that was why I wrote it. It is not for long. Plus, the Umbrella is hard to get. I know what Aerith can do and know her weapon list but I have never seen her being prefered over Cloud and the others as attacker for the sole reason that she either is not in your team or the weapon you get for her is not strong enough, to hard to get, et cetera. On top of that the Umbrella has its disadvantage. With her stats and weapons being known it is not necessary to discuss about what she actually is. In fact she is always in my team, while I prefer her as magic user for the sole reason that I give my characters something to do with actually is fitting for them as person. I only talked about a time span and inconvenience when it comes to using her.
Hard to get or not, its viable, and with an attack power of 58 a crit rate of +5% and +20 Vitality, it has a huge advantage if you want to ignore her best stat magic I am not saying use her... I will be the first to admit I don't use certain characters in games because I dislike their character in said game, but all this trout about her being bad in battle is completely unfounded, sure if you don't use someone and they don't have powerful weapons they wont be pulling in the big numbers like some of the character who are in your party all the time, its just down to personal preference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth
My point if any is that she IS a prominent fighter for the time you have her if you USE her, its like you don't even know how to play to her strength's she IS a potent magical force, point in case, I demolished Materia Keeper last night before he even had a chance to cast Trine thanks Yuffie and her repeatably casting Aqualung... I didn't even need to heal myself once, and this is the boss that some people find troubling...
I think they purposely gave Aeris some super awesome Limit Breaks and good stats and what have you so that you would use her and be all "man, she's so great whaaaaaaaaaaaaat" and then she dies and it would hit you harder. I didn't like her, but I like all of my characters to be at an equal level, so I was using her more than I would have if I just leveled up based on preference. She did have some useful limit breaks, but I still didn't like her, or like using her.
shion hit the nail on the head with that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by shion
~Opinions~
I agree with your assessment. I think they could have souped up her stats a bit more or made her Limit Breaks more practical such as providing less support. Breath of the Earth was underwhelming to me. Also, Great Gospel cannot revive knocked out party members, but Pulse of Life can, I believe? I'm not sure on this one. Regardless, her supportive abilities may not have appealed to every gamer, so I think if they made her a bit more powerful or if they upped the difficulty, she would have really come in handy. As you can see in this thread, there are a lot of people who said that they did not use her in combat unless she was forced into the party, but I would like it if she was really decent enough that you wanted to have her while she lasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by shion
While her Limits are awesome, they're just pointless. You can make your team invincible. Whoop-dee-do. They're practically so anyway. Support is just not worthwhile in this game. You can keep your party going longer, but they never really get in trouble anyway.
A lot of other characters have Limits which can pretty much eliminate an entire enemy unit in a single strike, and when they get to higher levels, they can wipe out entire groups instantly. Why would you bother with a skill that prolongs combat, rather than ending it quicker?
You forget, the game is designed in such a way to make it challenging the first time you play it, not every single time. I remember the first time I fought Demons Gate... he absolutely slaughtered me, he has a massive 450 magic defence which means spells like Beta and Aqualung do at best 250 damage even in the higher levels (I can confirm this with my party as this is how much I dealt him with those spells) and P attacks are almost equally weak, Demons Gate IS a real challenge the first time you fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
Limits are typically saved for bosses as in the lower levels all enemies can be wiped out with a simple casting of an Enemy Skill (Matra Magic, Beta, Aqualung and Trine are > Any spell with an all on the first disk) where as a single limit can kill 1 character, even if you cheat and have unlimited limits on all characters what happens when you run into a group of enemies and you have single hit limits I mean you would still be killing a single enemy with a single move and that makes 5 limits it would still be considerably quicker just to cast a single spell and wipe them all out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
THEN we take into account Aerith and her 2/2 limit break Fury Brand, you say 3 attacking limits is > 2, well I take your 3 sir and raise you a 4. All it takes is a meagre 80 kills and 7 uses of her 2/1 limit to unlock which can be done be giving her your ES Materia and having her mow down all enemies you encounter with a single spell.
I disagree KD. I did my first full playthrough of the game with no difficulty at all. I can't think of one singal fight where I actually struggled. I didn't do the optional weapons fights, but we're talking about disc 1 with Aeris anyways, so that doesn't matter. If your characters are at a decent level, Aeris limits aren't really necessary. I built most of her limits up and then just set it back to level 1 for her healing Limit and that's all I cared to use. It was the only one I found mildly useful, even though I had Cure-All. It was basically a free Cure-All.
Also consider that a good chunk of your limits are going to be occurring n random battles. Though obviously 'per capita' you get more limits in boss fights you do spend a much more time in random encounters where the limits are definitely more lack luster.
I agree with shion. I am playing FF7 through for the first time right now, and honestly? There has been zero struggle. It is not difficult. If I'd played when I was younger? It would probably have been more difficult for my child-mind.
I don't need a limit that makes everyone invincible. I don't need one that heals everyone. Restore materia with an All attached is more useful since I don't have to wait for a limit to load up. Not denying that they can be useful to some people, but not me.
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Ok, I refuse to want to level up since we're forced to have Aeris in our party and I know she snuffs it. Cloud and Vincent are level 28 while she's 22. I really need help with these guys, I'm stuck at Red Dragon but guides arn't helping me at all and they all say Demon's Gate is hard and since I'm underleveled it will be a lot harder for me so I need some help very badly.
Just because you do not have difficulty does not mean others don't as well. An adult mind who is used to strategy games and RPG's will easily defeat someone given the proper preparations, but the fact is no boss before Demons Gate was a challenge. On my first play through back in 97 (when I had no internet and knew nothing about the game, no guides to help and no forewarning that the Demons Gate was likely to cave my head in) he WAS a challenge!Quote:
Ahhhhhhhhhh HELP!! Im stuck on this damn boss and i cant get past and its p1ssing me off
Let me give you some details about my team.
I have cloud, aka waste of time and space aeris, and Red XIII. All around level 29 and 1000 - 1300 HP.
I DONT have haste. I dont have deathblow (thnx F-CKIN AERIS #~!$%"!!!) and i dont have MANY abilities. I managed to get past the first boss fine, but this boss SEEMS TO RAPE MY ASS EVERYTIME I TRY TO FIGHT IT. AM I STUCK? SHOULD I JUST GIVE UP AND LEAD A NORMAL LIFE WITHOUT FINAL FANTASY VII?!
Aww guys, fightin' over lil ol' me. Shucks. :jess:
So Aeris is useful...for one boss.
That's not a very compelling argument.
Or you know, you could just not min/max everything and just play the game [Editorial disclaimer: please make sure your seat is in the upright position and your seatbelt is fastened for this may blow your mind] to have fun and use the characters you enjoy using rather than who might be best for any given situation?
Stop trying to be reasonable, Auly. The children are arguing. :colbert:
She is useful for all bosses, why on earth wouldn't 4 limits be better be better then 3? The reason I am posting in this thread is to prove that she is useful the whole time she is in the party, tell me exactly what everyone else has that she lacks in terms of fighting. I am not trying to get you to say "Oh, wow I didn't know that, I think I will use her next time" all I want is for you guys to admit that she is good enough to pull her own weight in any given battle, be it boss or enemy group...Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
Given all the battle data I have put into this thread arguing otherwise is just silly. Like her or not, she IS a great fighter.
Oh and ftr, I would love to see any of the other people in the group try to stop Meteor. :colbert:
Sure she can hold her own. Like I said, she was designed to be useful and have cool limit breaks so it would hit you harder when she left. If she sucked, a lot of players would care less.
I used all of my characters pretty much equally, but if I had played based on preference, I very rarely, if ever, would have used her. And you can make it through the game just fine without her.
I generally picked my characters based on where I was. So if I was going through Cosmo Canyon, I always had Red XIII in there, likewise during the Coral visits. This actually means that Vincent is sort of left out, though I did include him during the Hojo stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by shion
That's pretty much how I did it anyway :p
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Aerith is a great character. As a healer, she's unmatched and that came in handy in a few boss fights.
My 97 playthrough, I not sure I remember entirely but I believe I had trouble (died at least once) with the following bosses: Aps (probably), Hundred Gunner/Heli Gunner (maybe), Motorball (I'm pretty sure on this one), Zolom* (definitely, unless I got thrown out), Materia Keeper, Godo, Demon's Gate (obviously), Jenova Death, Ultima, Carry Armor (bitch and its grabby arms meaning it only has to kill one party member because being picked up qualifies as being dead)... yeah.
*I know Zolom isn't a boss, but I'm pretty sure it was something that gave me a lot of trouble.
Oh I forgot about Zolom. I know you were supposed to use the chocobo to cross, and I did, but I came back RIGHT after and fought him about 5 times until I finally killed the thing so that Red could learn Beta.
I think the problem a lot of people here are having is that they can't justify using Aerith because she isn't available past a certain point in the game. But obviously the game wasn't designed for the player to know that she gets killed. It was designed so that it'd be a surprise. Her limits seem really useful when you consider that you expect them to be usable up to the end of the game.\
I like to use her in the game with that in mind. I don't really care that focusing on using her is rendered pointless when she dies. I think of her healing abilities as the training wheels in a game where, as many have mentioned, healing isn't actually necessary. Once you lose her, having a potent dedicated healer in the party is over, and you have to make it work with your other characters picking up the slack.
Yes but given that that is the case (player not supposed to know that she dies), they wouldn't necessarily level her up to get all 4 limit break levels and most likely -wouldn't- use her in the main group unless they had to just because healing is pretty much all she's good for.
And yes, I do think that if someone were to go into this game with no clue as to what the story line is or a walkthrough to help them, they wouldn't necessarily use Aeris.
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Originally Posted by noxious.sunshine
Seriously? Given all the info I have provided, proof that she can hold her own in battle, the stealing of the Striking Staff from Eligon in sector 7, her all powerful magic, the Umbrella and everything else and you still think healing is all she is good for?
*sighs*
What? I just don't like her! And I'm not gonna grind her out and waste all that time when she kicks the bucket anyway!
The fact that you have to spend probably hours just to get her to a place where she's useful in a role other than healing doesn't really say that she can "hold her own."
I guess I just like Aerith and seeing her interact in the storyline. The dialogue that occurs depends on who is in your party at the time, and I think Aerith's take on things is important because she's a Cetra.
The main reason I don't pick Aeris as a party member? When you first get her she does like 20 HP damage per hit. And then she's kidnapped, so you get to see how much stronger everyone else is in comparison (at that time, regardless of how gr8 she becomes later on). When 90% of battles is going to be you mashing circle and attacking, I know I'd rather see big numbers than small ones. Once you have a good party you like, you're not gonna swap in someone else because she ~might~ become great if you put in countless hours getting her best weapon/etc, when you already have a party that is mowing down everything.
On top of grinding out just so you can get her to be "good" at physical attacks and all of her limit breaks, you'll be at level 99 by the time you get to Sephiroth in the Northern Cave which tacks on another 30,000 hp or so to -his- stats along with whatever else to make the final battle that much more difficult. I already had everyone up to like level 50 something even -before- Aeris kicked the bucket, I believe and I still hadn't gotten to her 3rd Limit Break... If my memory serves me right, that is.
if Aeris is so good then why can't she survive a sword hit like everyone else can
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This, so much this.
Obviously people didn't know when the game came out that she was going to die, but when you factor that you lose her at the end of the first disc, she really is completely useless. So you can spend hours and hours fighting with her and raising her stats, and playing games to get awesome equipment for her. Only then is she somewhat useful. Oh, and then she dies about 30 minutes later.
Using Aeris in battle is pointless.
Sephiroth was doing like 3000 damage and that was like five years ago. Aeris only has like 1300 HP at that point. Also it was a back stab and that like 1.5 damage multiplyer on top of another 3x damage multiplier for being a sneak attack. And Aeris is a DPS/Support, not a tank, duh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denmark
I don't get why people are saying they would rather raise another character's stats. Don't you realize that the characters you don't use level up automatically? I've been using Tifa and Aerith 95% of the time, and all my other characters are only two levels below my main party.
Am I missing something? What kind of stats are you people raising that aren't raised automatically for unused characters?
I do not recall this occurrence.
Yeah, everyone not in your active party gets 1/2 the EXP your main party gets. Even if they're KO'd.
Ontopic, I always used Aerith on my latest few playthroughs simply BECAUSE I know she's going to die and I want to wreck some trout with her before she does. Say what you will about the usefulness of her Limit Breaks, watching Demon's Gate do 0 damage to your entire party is pure delight. Plus, you know, achievement.
Admittedly, she is no powerhouse and her low Strength stat somewhat mitigates her high Attack Power with the Umbrella (plus, Red's Seraph Comb is better), but it's your only chance to use her, so might as well.
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Originally Posted by Shauna
Step 1 give her your Magic Materia
Step 2... there is no step 2, she has the highest stat for magic over anyone, she does more damage with magic materia then any other member in the game, not in a "couple of hours grinding" I said multiple times in my posts that I did not use her for grinding.
When you get her she has a her starting weapon, you have the ability to not use her in battle until you reach the sewer and the boss fight, then your in the train graveyard and it is there you can steal the Striking Staff and from that point on she does more damage with physical attack then Cloud, Tifa, Barret and Nanaki besides, why use physical attacks when you can use magic? I see you said you want the big numbers... but then you use physical attack? Not until very late in the game do you pull enough damage to make it worth while to use physical attacks over magic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shauna
[quote=noxious.sunshine]On top of grinding out just so you can get her to be "good" at physical attacks and all of her limit breaks, you'll be at level 99 by the time you get to Sephiroth in the Northern Cave which tacks on another 30,000 hp or so to -his- stats along with whatever else to make the final battle that much more difficult. I already had everyone up to like level 50 something even -before- Aeris kicked the bucket, I believe and I still hadn't gotten to her 3rd Limit Break... If my memory serves me right, that is.[/img]
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Level 23, apparently your limit bug affected Aerith as well as Cloud and Barret. Oh and FTR I personally like to fight the hardest Sephiroth I can, which requires the following:
All characters (except Aerith) being level 99
Use of KotR on Jenova (add's 80k to his HP)
With this he still has a paltry 400k HP, now if you think for a few moments... KotR does about 150k damage when said person has a few hero drinks, attach a W-Summon that's 300k already, next player simply uses Mime and that's it, the strongest version of Sephiroth dead after 2 simple moves, he is a really easy boss.
What influences when characters unlock new limit breaks? I have Aerith at level 30 and she only has up to Breath of the Earth. In all the times I played the game, Aerith never had all of her limits at level 23. That seems highly unusual.
Also, yeah, why are people using Aerith to make physical attacks? First, she should be a healer and magic caster, and second, she should be in the back row because of her low defense stats and because magic doesn't care about distance. It's pretty silly that anyone would dismiss her for having a low attack stat.
I don't think you're understanding that I rarely do anything other than press O. Which defaults attack. :p It has worked really well for me for the entire game, minimal issues.
You can get exasperated all you want, and preach ~the best way to use Aeris~, and quote as many numbers and facts as you want.
I personally do not use her, and find her useless in my "Press X to Win" strategy of playing this game because unless I try extra hard to *steal* her best weapon at the time, or play a goddamned minigame for hours on end, she does minimal damage. Or I can use someone who I find more useful, which I do.
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Originally Posted by comma
But, having all of her limit breaks at lvl 23, I agree, doesn't make a lot of sense to me either unless you just hung around Midgar and made a bunch of low exp kills to get them. That's the only plausible explanation.
The glitch affects -all- characters. Not just specific ones. I -do not- have the manuals for Cloud or Barrett (or Vincent come to think of it), thus I can't even try to teach them their Level 4 'Breaks. All of my characters have progressed just fine to Level 3, I simply cannot teach them Level 4's -because of the glitch-.
I don't care if she's the best magic user in the game (her magic stats are only slightly better than Cloud's and Red's, btw) she's still useless because you lose her extremely early in the game.
I still think she should have had better limit breaks. Breath of the Earth was extremely underwhelming for the part that you get it. She should have had something that inflicted instant death or cleared out random battles really well.
To get her limit I simply used her to kill every enemy I encountered, it only takes 80 kills to get her 2/1 limit, and I got that about 10 minutes before I encountered Yuffie for the first time (which admittedly did take quite a while) but I wanted Yuffie (who was part of my A Team) as soon as possible, a simple casting of Matra Magic can wipe out an entire group of enemies pre Junon (the point at which I got Yuffie) so getting her 3/1 (another 80 kills) was a walk in the park by the time I was level 23.Quote:
Originally Posted by noxious.sunshineThere's a certain number of kills you have to hit to advance to each new Limit Break. Like you have to kill like 80 or 150 to get a new one (I can't remember off the top of my head, but there's a guide for it on gamefaqs).Quote:
Originally Posted by comma
But, having all of her limit breaks at lvl 23, I agree, doesn't make a lot of sense to me either unless you just hung around Midgar and made a bunch of low exp kills to get them. That's the only plausible explanation.
The glitch affects -all- characters. Not just specific ones. I -do not- have the manuals for Cloud or Barrett (or Vincent come to think of it), thus I can't even try to teach them their Level 4 'Breaks. All of my characters have progressed just fine to Level 3, I simply cannot teach them Level 4's -because of the glitch-.
For the record, I get people don't like to use her, really I do, but saying she is crap in battle is simply not the truth, its like saying Vivi from FFIX was crap because he had crap physical attack, you just have to play to their strengths.
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Originally Posted by Carl the Llama
itt: arguing over the correct way to play a video game
Exactly. You hung around that area. As soon as I got Yuffie, I went on my way and then grinded out for a lil bit later on
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Originally Posted by noxious.sunshine
Oh, so none of your other characters have extra limits aside from Aerith? Interesting.
Fighting in the forest where you get Yuffie is really not getting low exp kills though. Those little plant dudes give unreasonably high exp for that stage in the game, balanced by the fact they are smurfing hard if you're not prepared.Quote:
Originally Posted by noxious.sunshine
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Originally Posted by Denmark
KD and Aeris sitting in a tree
I dunno, I'm tired :(
In the forest, yeah, but I'm talking about the general Ft. Condor area outside of the forest. It's essentially the same creatures you run into on the Midgar side, isn't it? IDK. My short term memory is really bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by JiroFighting in the forest where you get Yuffie is really not getting low exp kills though. Those little plant dudes give unreasonably high exp for that stage in the game, balanced by the fact they are smurfing hard if you're not prepared.Quote:
Originally Posted by noxious.sunshine
But let's look at it this way... If you were a n00b, knew -nothing- about the game nor had a walkthrough, would you still use Aeris in your main party? Or rather, did you in your first playthrough? I sure as hell didn't - and I played it way after 8 came out, bought it used and went through without a walkthrough. Then again, I'm an "O" masher like someone else said ... Unless it's a harder boss, then I just whip out one of my summons and get it over with.
It's a giant Native American bird thing who vomits all over you.Quote:
Originally Posted by noxious.sunshineIn the forest, yeah, but I'm talking about the general Ft. Condor area outside of the forest. It's essentially the same creatures you run into on the Midgar side, isn't it? IDK. My short term memory is really bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by JiroFighting in the forest where you get Yuffie is really not getting low exp kills though. Those little plant dudes give unreasonably high exp for that stage in the game, balanced by the fact they are smurfing hard if you're not prepared.Quote:
Originally Posted by noxious.sunshine
But let's look at it this way... If you were a n00b, knew -nothing- about the game nor had a walkthrough, would you still use Aeris in your main party? Or rather, did you in your first playthrough? I sure as hell didn't - and I played it way after 8 came out, bought it used and went through without a walkthrough. Then again, I'm an "O" masher like someone else said ... Unless it's a harder boss, then I just whip out one of my summons and get it over with.
AKA a Condor? Hence the name? :D You don't fight that thing though. It just lays the Phoenix Summon materia... Or vomits it up. Whichever. And it only wakes up when you intentionally lose the Battle of Ft. Condor and then beat the boss machine thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's BoobsIt's a giant Native American bird thing who vomits all over you.Quote:
Originally Posted by noxious.sunshineIn the forest, yeah, but I'm talking about the general Ft. Condor area outside of the forest. It's essentially the same creatures you run into on the Midgar side, isn't it? IDK. My short term memory is really bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by JiroFighting in the forest where you get Yuffie is really not getting low exp kills though. Those little plant dudes give unreasonably high exp for that stage in the game, balanced by the fact they are smurfing hard if you're not prepared.Quote:
Originally Posted by noxious.sunshine
But let's look at it this way... If you were a n00b, knew -nothing- about the game nor had a walkthrough, would you still use Aeris in your main party? Or rather, did you in your first playthrough? I sure as hell didn't - and I played it way after 8 came out, bought it used and went through without a walkthrough. Then again, I'm an "O" masher like someone else said ... Unless it's a harder boss, then I just whip out one of my summons and get it over with.
Oh, I misunderstood. You said that there was some monster in that area that you fight over and over and over again. The monster I said was my reply to that.
Lolllll no I meant the creatures -around- Ft. Condor. just out in the world map on the ground.
The monsters around Fort Condor are completely different to the ones found on the other side of the mountain. They're also different to the ones found in the Mythril Mines too. I promise you that much :p
Nah, Cloud had his 2/1 limit as well, didn't see any point in raising the limits of anyone else cause they weren't going to be part of my A-Team (Cloud Yuffie and Cid) so I was always strategic in my kills I use the following formula:Quote:
Originally Posted by comma
Cloud Limit > Aerith: Matra Magic > Aerith Limit: Cloud Matra Magic.
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Originally Posted by shion
Seeing as you can only encounter Yuffie in wooded area's I don't really know what a random encounter outside the fort was really like, I ran about in the woods where the enemies were always in groups of 3 or 5 so it didn't take long at all for Aerith to amass 80 kills for her 2/1 limit plus I had been killing with her since I first left Midgar, I already had about 20-40 kills by the time I reached the woods, so getting the rest was relatively quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by noxious.sunshine
The first time I played I had her in my party as I like to use magic, its way more powerful then any physical attacker and I like the big numbers, plus you know, Cloud + 2 girls /smugQuote:
Originally Posted by noxious.sunshine
Condor/Junon Area - Capparwire. They come in groups of 2-5 and use Grand Spark. Perfect for Limit Break levelling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl the LlamaSeeing as you can only encounter Yuffie in wooded area's I don't really know what a random encounter outside the fort was really like, I ran about in the woods where the enemies were always in groups of 3 or 5 so it didn't take long at all for Aerith to amass 80 kills for her 2/1 limit plus I had been killing with her since I first left Midgar, I already had about 20-40 kills by the time I reached the woods, so getting the rest was relatively quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by noxious.sunshine
My wife just played through FF7 for the first time and never used Aerith, except for the Temple of the Ancients. And when I told her that Aerith would be coming along and she'd have no choice, she refused to play for a couple of days. :P She REALLY dislikes Aerith. And so do I. Interfering little cow.
What did she interfere with?
Cloud and Tifa.Quote:
Originally Posted by comma
Clifa fo' lyf yo!
Clifa... That just sounds so... Dirty.Quote:
Originally Posted by SynoptikalCloud and Tifa.Quote:
Originally Posted by comma
Clifa fo' lyf yo!
It's generally known as CloTi as far as I can tell. It's nice to see that this isn't a one hundred page argument on who Cloud really loves yet :monster:
On topic: I am a guy who likes to make up for my natural femininity by being HYPERMASCULINE so my favourite limits are the damage dealing ones.
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Originally Posted by comma
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I never intended to imply they couldn't come in smaller groups then the ones I encountered, just that my personal experience was they always came in groups of 3 to 5 enemies.Quote:
Originally Posted by SynoptikalCondor/Junon Area - Capparwire. They come in groups of 2-5 and use Grand Spark. Perfect for Limit Break levelling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl the LlamaSeeing as you can only encounter Yuffie in wooded area's I don't really know what a random encounter outside the fort was really like, I ran about in the woods where the enemies were always in groups of 3 or 5 so it didn't take long at all for Aerith to amass 80 kills for her 2/1 limit plus I had been killing with her since I first left Midgar, I already had about 20-40 kills by the time I reached the woods, so getting the rest was relatively quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by noxious.sunshine
My wife just played through FF7 for the first time and never used Aerith, except for the Temple of the Ancients. And when I told her that Aerith would be coming along and she'd have no choice, she refused to play for a couple of days. :P She REALLY dislikes Aerith. And so do I. Interfering little cow.
As for your personal feeling regarding Aerith, I'm not about to discuss your opinion of her, its your opinion and no amount of but this and but that will change a persons opinion on the internet.
The groups of two can elude some people as generally they only back attack in groups of two. ^^
Regarding the subject matter though, I actually tend to use Yuffie's Clear Tranquil over Aerith's curative limits. Or Cure-All. It's all good if you have Aerith under Fury and just have her be attacked to build up her limits but I find them to be very situational.
Aeris is the ultimate White Mage!!!
Since I always pair the White Mage and the Summoner, I have found in her a way to not use KOTR that is too unbalanced! Summons goes to her alone... You got the rest... And her last Limit Break is the same, it's quite broken for the effects it gives!
Its a good wingman, it works for half. New strategy after, but ey fun game :)
im relying so much on Aeris, becaus i cant play without a healer :l
im really going to struggle when she dies
Aeris... dies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaibana
But what a great experience it was during half hour.Quote:
Aeris... dies?
Edit: It's incredible how music can change the mood.
WARNING: Calamity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuaJ8A_SQos
Out of sync, not really that impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niale
Don't know what you mean with sync.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl the LlamaOut of sync, not really that impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niale
But it sure speaks the love for evil.
I think it defines uncomfortable. Needs to think. :holmes:
stop hating Aeris :(
She's a cool wingman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaibana
I don't :D