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The graphics are troute, every character is the same in terms of gameplay, it's about a bunch of terrorists and stereotypes I can't relate to, and the music was just a total ripoff of FFVI, the superior Final Fantasy experience.
Why it's popular, I'll never know.
oh boy
*hunkers down to weather the storm*
I agree, this game is awful...ly awesome. :cool:
(SPOILER)Any post by someone who's been here as long as you that says this, has got to be a joke post. Nice try though. :pQuote:
and the music was just a total ripoff of FFVI
The pot. It stirs.
While I have no love for FFVII because it has a half-baked plot, cookie-cutter villains hiding behind cyberpunk stereotypes to pretend to be fresh, a battle system which is hampered by some poor design choices that creep in Disc 2, and has the dubious honor of being an early 3D title meaning all the mini-games that utilize the 3D have aged as gracefully as a peach in the desert heat, but it is hardly awful. The fact it is still playable and enjoyable is a testament that it's designers sort of knew what they were doing.
The true awful titles are games like FFX which suffers from an awful plot, half-baked battle system, lousy characters, and some of the most phoned in game design to grace a PS2 RPG until Suikoden IV. We could also discuss FFXIII which steals half it's ideas from better games and then proceeds to implement them with the skill and craftmanship of a drunkard trying to piss in a toilet. It has sequels that, while they improve the gameplay front, have proven to sink the originals awful plot to "OH FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THE MOOGLES AND CHOCOBOS, PLEASE LET THIS STOP!!!".
I don't feel VII deserves half the credit it gets, but I also don't think it is an awful game as much as it is a flawed one, of which I could say about every game in the series.
I think VII gets too much love and isn't as good of a game as a lot of the others. I much prefer IX, VIII, X, XII, a few others. Other than Red XIII, I have to struggle to find a character I like, I can tolerate some of them, and that's a bad thing for me because characters are important to me. The story didn't grab my attention or make me care about it or want to know more, the world is forgettable and I have to look up a map to name more than 4 locations, the materia system is interesting, but could have been better.
But I don't think it's terrible either. Just... not good either. Kind of meh.
Interestingly enough, both of those words share the same root.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJN SEIFER
Awesome - Basically just a combination of awe and some, the meaning is to inspire awe.
Awful - Similarly, a combination of awe and full, meaning to inspire tremendous awe, and be worthy of respect or fear. The same word used to describe angelic or heavenly entities by those who have seen them.
Ff7 is just a product of its time. People that were there for the evolution of final fantasy from III (IV) saw how it evolved from the 16 bit era. I think its a good game but I would prefer to play pretty much any numbered final fantasy thereafter.
I kind of agree with you, honestly. I still love it for the nostalgia, given that it was the first FF I ever played. I still enjoy it, but yeah, it's pretty bad. I think part of its problem is that it's really missing soul. It's kind of a cold game. I do like some of the characters, however.
But sorry, I have to disagree about the music. The music from FFVII is absolutely stunning.
interesting
counterpoint:
mukki
the defence rests.
VII is the best, haters gonna hate
Argh, why do people like things I don't like?! :argh:
For the same reasons you think Snow and Hope are good characters.
For the same reason you think Ashley from Resident Evil 4 isn't annoying.
For the same reason most people like and dislike anything.
Personal preference. Different people have different individual likes and dislikes, and some times there is no extended explanation for why. They just like/dislike it. And there's nothing wrong with that. What is wrong however are all the people who can't seem to accept this simple notion and assume there must be something wrong with the individual who like or dislike the thing.
whatQuote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
nobody thinks this
i refuse to believe it
you give me the name of anyone who thinks this and i will ban them right here right now
Ashley wasn't annoying. She's one of the best escort quests ever. She'll go and come when you tell her to, she ducks whenever you point a gun any where near her, she is captured half of the game so none of the escort sections outstay their welcome...
She was a sweetheart.
People are entitled to their opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToriJ
My opinion is that Snow and hope are awful characters.
The More You Know. *shooting star*Quote:
Originally Posted by SkybladeInterestingly enough, both of those words share the same root.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJN SEIFER
Awesome - Basically just a combination of awe and some, the meaning is to inspire awe.
Awful - Similarly, a combination of awe and full, meaning to inspire tremendous awe, and be worthy of respect or fear. The same word used to describe angelic or heavenly entities by those who have seen them.
oh i seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
you're from opposite land
that explains everything!
Maybe I'm from Correct Land and YOU are from Opposite Land.
In Correct Land, Ashley was great and everyone recognizes FFIV was the best FF.
While in opposite land you people got the numbers all screwed up and praise that "VI" instead of "IV."
It's a sorry state of affairs to be sure.
Down with VI and VII. It's time the fanbase revolts and realizes the true best FF entries.
are any video games good though when you really think about it
So much edge in this thread.
Wow, this is so right, I was just thinking this, you n me are on the totes same wavelength bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
I sometimes wonder how much energy it takes to hate such wonderfully fun and gorgeous games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
Anyway, it's good to know how agonizing it is for some that many people still hold FFVII as the high watermark of the series and among the classics of the genre. There can be no better proof than the various intangible and arbitrary criticisms offered in this thread.
I'm not a huge fan of FFVII. It's all right for the most part, and I do enjoy it more than I really should thanks to nostalgia (and the entire start of the game in Midgar is actually quite good), but it's got a lot of flaws, and I generally agree with WK's take on it.
But that soundtrack is unassailable. One of the best in the series, hands down. And snow boarding, while objectively awful, is pretty fun just the same.
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Originally Posted by Psychotic
Please get help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
I disagree that it's awful. But I also don't understand how it's revered as one of the greatest games ever. For its time, sure, I can agree with that. For the impressions it made in thousands of people, sure. But there are so many worse games, and worse final fantasy games at that.
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Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
MLT be Pike's Exact Opposite
Nominees: Bolivar, Raistlin, Skyblade, Wolf Kanno, Vivi22
And now the revelation...
RSL...............1
Vivi22............2
Raistlin..........3
Skyblade..........6
So that leaves Wolf Kanno and Bolivar...
Bolivar............9
Wolf Kanno.........3472
And the Ciddie for MLT be Pike's Exact Opposite goes to...
Wolf Kanno!
Congrats to all the winners!
I think outside of us both liking Civilization and Final Fantasy II, I can agree we are polar opposites on everything else. :p
PIKE! I thought we liked so many of the same games, devs, series and genres... :(
I have no idea what this is but I feel proud of the fact I wasn't nominated for it.
Apparently Pike has been hiding her true feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
Nope. Best game of all time. Moving on.
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Originally Posted by Bolivar
Sorry guys; I was just picking random people who I knew post about games a lot! :heart:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22Apparently Pike has been hiding her true feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
I was actually fine with being placed where I was. Aside from FFX we agree on a lot.
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Originally Posted by Bolivar
When you compare our numbers to the winner's, it's clear that we agree with Pike much more than the list might make it seem from the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22Apparently Pike has been hiding her true feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
Yet somehow you missed me? I should have at least been included. :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by PikeQuote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
Sorry guys; I was just picking random people who I knew post about games a lot! :heart:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22Apparently Pike has been hiding her true feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
Can I just say that I think that it's completely fine and okay if somebody thinks or believes that Final Fantasy VII is awful ?
Personal opinions.
I don't think that's okay. I think fire and lynchings are the only reasonable way to go about this discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by maybee
Of course we can, but I think from the way the first post was written that this is a joke thread. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by maybee
Final Fantasy VII is a computer game and is best enjoyed using a colour television set.
I disagree, it's best used on a PC monitor, cause you know... the mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
I was speaking from the perspective of a person in 1997 when such luxuries were not freely available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl the LlamaI disagree, it's best used on a PC monitor, cause you know... the mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
Advance one year to the PC release in 1998. Problem solved. Even without mods, you get a better translation and improved graphics.Quote:
Originally Posted by BubbaI was speaking from the perspective of a person in 1997 when such luxuries were not freely available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl the LlamaI disagree, it's best used on a PC monitor, cause you know... the mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
Yeah, you can just ignore what I've been saying in this thread. I'm just talking utter bollocks.
You also get the godawful MIDI music instead of the glorious PSX soundtrack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
I'll tkae crappier graphics as long as the game sounds good.
Eh, it may have been nowhere near as good as the original, but I still quite enjoyed the PC soundtrack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken LoverYou also get the godawful MIDI music instead of the glorious PSX soundtrack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
I'll tkae crappier graphics as long as the game sounds good.
Besides, the original soundtrack patch was one of the first mods made. It was available fairly quickly after the PC release.
While I'm a huge fan of mods and the modding community, gamers shouldn't have to rely on them to provide something that should have been in the game at release.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkybladeEh, it may have been nowhere near as good as the original, but I still quite enjoyed the PC soundtrack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken LoverYou also get the godawful MIDI music instead of the glorious PSX soundtrack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
I'll tkae crappier graphics as long as the game sounds good.
Besides, the original soundtrack patch was one of the first mods made. It was available fairly quickly after the PC release.
There's just no excuse for that happening.
Sure there is. Bethesda games have run with that philosophy for years, and most AAA PC titles these days are actually running with the idea of "ship with as many bugs as possible, and only patch it if it's game breaking", so a lot of games that allow modding have things that "should" be included that are only available through fan mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22While I'm a huge fan of mods and the modding community, gamers shouldn't have to rely on them to provide something that should have been in the game at release.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkybladeEh, it may have been nowhere near as good as the original, but I still quite enjoyed the PC soundtrack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken LoverYou also get the godawful MIDI music instead of the glorious PSX soundtrack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
I'll tkae crappier graphics as long as the game sounds good.
Besides, the original soundtrack patch was one of the first mods made. It was available fairly quickly after the PC release.
There's just no excuse for that happening.
But I do understand your point, and I do mostly agree with it. I honestly have no idea why the soundtrack change was made in the first place, nor why any of the later releases (this game has been released four times for PC that I know of) haven't fixed it.
ff7 would be better if barret was sephiroth
yeah same hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken LoverYou also get the godawful MIDI music instead of the glorious PSX soundtrack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
I'll tkae crappier graphics as long as the game sounds good.
I wouldn't say it's awful but it lacks the charm of what FF is about for me. I struggle to get behind cloud, Aeris and Barrett, I quite like the rest of the cast though. Maybe if I played it first I would like it more. On a whole I enjoyed playing through the steam version. I would would probably rate above 8 but below 9-13.
Rating this game below IX and XII and even X I can understand, but XIII? I don't get it.
Or if everyone was Sephiroth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jibril
13 had it's faults but it's positives outweigh VII for me. I enjoyed the battle system, cut scenes and story I just hated how linear it was. I first played VII around 2002/3 I compared it to 9/10 and ff7 seemed a little dull to me and it took till 2006 to bother to complete it. Maybe if I played it before the others I would rate it higher though possibly not as the setting and technology involved in game isn't to my liking (the same can be said for 13)
I tried FF6 that people said was suppose to be better(According to internet, which is always right... cough cough "sarcasm"). I got pretty bored to say the least. Never gonna try that game again.
But i like FF7.
The summonings... just so cool!
Reminds me of the time where I re-named everybody SephirothQuote:
Originally Posted by Tigmafuzz
Cloud
"...Is Sector 7 far from here? I want to go to Sephiroth's bar."
Aerith
"Is Sephiroth...... a girl?"
Cloud
"Yeah."
Aerith
"A girl... friend?"
Cloud
"Girlfriend?"
^ Classic xD
Anyway, no way would I say this game is "awful". It's certainly not the best FF but for me it will always hold that special place in my heart as the first FF that I played.
I have no idea how I would feel about this game had it not been the first game I ever played and spent so many years replaying and replaying it. Just like with so many people it is my childhood.
When I think about the games (mind you X is the newest I have played guys hahaha) all those stories are good in different ways. It's just a matter of opinion really. I love the story of VII. Maybe I would like another game more if VII didn't have the nostalgia value it does, but we'll never know.