No more Tolkien films after The Battle of the Five Armies, says Peter Jackson

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Gandalf – we mean, Ian McKellen – raised Tolkien fans’ hopes recently when he said he thought Peter Jackson would return to Middle Earth but now, the Oscar-winning director has quashed all hopes of a Hobbit trilogy follow-up. Speaking at a press conference yesterday, Jackson explained that for legal reasons, he would not be bringing any more of Tolkien’s work to the big screen.

“The Tolkien estate owns the writings of Professor Tolkien – The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings were sold by Professor Tolkien in the late Sixties, the film rights,” the New Zealand filmmaker said. “But they are the only two works of his that have been sold. So without the cooperation of the Tolkien estate, there can’t be more films.”

Although The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit are Tolkien’s most famous works by far, he wrote many other stories about Middle Earth including pre-history The Silmarillion. Surely after the huge success of his five Tolkien movies (soon to be six when The Battle of the Five Armies is released next week), the estate would help Jackson out? Quite possibly not.

“Tolkien has become a monster, devoured by his own popularity and absorbed by the absurdity of our time,” Tolkien’s son Christopher told Le Monde in 2012. “The chasm between the beauty and seriousness of the work and what it has become has overwhelmed me. The commercialisation has reduced the aesthetic and philosophical impact of the creation to nothing. There is only one solution for me: to turn my head away.”

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So no Silmarillion movie, sorry fans.

But Silmarillion! It has so much scope for building on the Legendarium and exploring parts of the mythology that most people overlook!

That guy's a prick.

Scope means nothing. A Silmarillion movie would suck anyway.

If you really wanted to adapt the Silmarillion, it would have to be a TV series. Even then,
the stories in the Silmarillion are so prudish and ultra-conservative that they would have no mass market appeal. Christopher's stance against commercialization is pretty dickish but it's pretty consistent.

Christopher has said in the past that he disliked the Jackson interpretations of the first trilogy. There were some liberties that Jackson took in adapting the work from written to visual media that probably don't sit well with the estate's interpretation of the work (e.g., Faramir). The Hobbit adaptations probably come off as much worse in this regard (e.g., Tauriel) to Christopher.

Maybe it's a disappointment, but it's nothing new to me. The only people who are surprised by this are bandwagon fans who will move onto the next hot thing by next year.

The Silmarillion is probably the one that'd have been more interesting to me since I've always felt that Tolkein was a better world builder than story teller from what I've read of his work. That said, I won't be particularly sad if Jackson doesn't get to make more movies because while I liked the LotR trilogy, the Hobbit movies are pretty bad on many levels. Only real thing I like about them is getting to watch Martin Freeman and Ian McKellan on screen. The rest of it is bleh.

GOOD

Peter Jackson is on par with the atrocities George Lucas has inflicted to his own films. He just needs to be taken away from them. I completely agree with poor Christopher Tolkien and feel awful for him.

Agreed. And I haven't even READ The Silmarillion.

Most people who know me fairly well know that the LotR movies are my all time favorite movies. I do understand why there's some anger over the changes made, but I think overall it kept the integrity of its source.

Now, I haven't seen any of The Hobbit movies, but they look smurfing awful, and I've really only heard bad things about them. Plus it's like 99% CGI, where as the original movies used a lot of non-CGI effects.

Yeah, Weta used to know how to strike a good balance between traditional and digital effects. But the Hobbit movies have had far more 3D than traditional effects. I actually have a hard time remembering any traditional effects of note in them. And it's only made worse by the fact that the 3D in the movies has been terrible. Somehow the second being even worse than the first.

A Silmarillion HBO series would be pretty cool but it wouldn't work as a movie. Also after seeing what he did with The Hobbit I'm not in any hurry to get in line for another Jackson take on Tolkien's world. Lord of the Rings was excellent and he should have just stopped there and let someone else do Hobbit.

PJ didn't even want to do the Hobbit movies. Then they took what was supposed to be 2 movies and turned it into a trilogy. But he didn't even want to make it in the first place.

BTW, there's only 14 more pages in the book.

In all fairness I don't think you COULD make a movie of The Simarillion. It's a series of stories as long as the Lord of the Rings but squished into maybe a couple of paragraphs each. That may seem like an exaggeration but it really isn't; the Lord of the Rings spans three whole books but in the Simarillion the entire trek is condensed into a single sentence. Imagine how big the preceding stories are? There's a boatload of them too.

Yeah, after the Hobbit films I think they should definitely put a stop to any more. There are some great scenes in the Hobbit films but there are some truly awful ones as well (the god-awful barrel escape from DOS springs to mind). The Lord of the Rings is my favourite film trilogy of all time and I was so disappointed in the way they approached The Hobbit. As soon as I heard it was being split into three films I knew there was no hope.

I haven't read The Silmarillion but I think we're done with Middle Earth for a while. I will occasionally watch The Hobbit films if they come on TV but I will continue to masturbate furiously over the LOTR Extended Blu Rays.

To be honest, the Hobbit movies aren't that bad for me since I don't mind that much when movies don't exactly follow the books BUT what I really hate about them is all the CGI, it honestly looks horrendous... The LotR looked much better, if they made it the same way, I would've loved the movies.

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I'm joining the majority here.

The Silmarillion would not work as a movie. It would be difficult to pull off as a TV show. We don't need more Middle Earth movies.

Also, Peter Jackson has pretty much ruined The Hobbit. Not only did he vastly overextend the story beyond the scope of the kid's book it was, but he inserted his own horribly out of place elements to pad it. He changed the tone, characters, and world.

I can't relate like some of you as I never read LoTR and I can't remember reading the Hobbit, but an extension into the world of middle earth I'd find interesting.

Didn't Ian McKellen say that there was a possibility of more films lately?

No, he just commented saying he'd like to do more.

For some further reading, this is an article about the transition from del Toro, the original director, to Jackson, who had to step in after del Toro's departure in 2010.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1975016.html

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On May 30, 2010, director Guillermo Del Toro released a statement announcing his departure from "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey."

"In light of ongoing delays in the setting of a start date for filming 'The Hobbit,' I am faced with the hardest decision of my life,” Del Toro wrote on the "Lord of the Rings" site TheOneRing.net. “After nearly two years of living, breathing and designing a world as rich as Tolkien’s Middle Earth, I must, with great regret, take leave from helming these wonderful pictures. [...] Both as a co-writer and as a director, I wish the production nothing but the very best of luck and I will be first in line to see the finished product. I remain an ally to it and its makers, present and future, and fully support a smooth transition to a new director.”

Del Toro, who co-wrote the film with Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens, was eventually replaced by Jackson, and the rest is history: Three Jackson-directed "Hobbit" films will arrive between now and July of 2015.

While it is widely assumed that the split between Del Toro and Jackson was amicable, and that Del Toro left because of the lengthy delays, a new story in The Hollywood Reporter alludes to something slightly more complicated.

"Do I think Peter wanted to take over 'The Hobbit'? No," said an anonymous source to the trade magazine. "But he was going to be involved one way or the other, and as an artist, Guillermo wanted to make his version of the movie. I think he wondered: 'How much of an imprint can I put on this? ... Do I want to spend years of my life being caretaker of someone else's franchise?'"

For his part, Del Toro reiterated to THR that leaving "The Hobbit" was "the most difficult professional decision I've ever had to make."

Jackson, meanwhile, told io9 that he "redesigned" a lot of the movie after Del Toro put his stamp on it, but that the film's original director wasn't cut out of the process completely. "Some of Guillermo's DNA is in there -- there were some things he did that I thought were pretty cool and I've taken bits of pieces of his stuff -- kind of altering it and changing it as I saw it."

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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...er-bros-379301

HBO will see this as a prime Game of Thrones movie opportunity. After all, people flocked to Sex & The City

I'm kinda torn about this news. Although I do love seeing the interpretations of the books on the big screen, I think that they need to be left alone. The films have ruined a lot of the magic about the books.

I hope to god Peter Jackson never gets his hands on the rights to The Silmarillion. I just don't understand how someone who did SO well with Lord of the Rings could smurf up The Hobbit so much. And even with the hobbit, there are parts that are just WONDERFUL and other parts that make me want to stab my eyes out. Why is there no consistency? Wtf is wrong with him?? Gaaah.

Also, HBO mini series for Silmarillion in my lifetime please.

Every single word Miriel speaks is a word I would speak. Well, except for Gaaah. I would only use one "a" in that.

As harsh as it is to say this: Christopher Tolkien is 90. Eventually, the Tolkien estate will be headed by someone who is more interested in money and a Silmarillion TV series or film will become inevitable. Whether that will be a good or a bad thing, only time can tell.

EDIT: Weird thing I just learned - Chistopher's son, Michael George Tolkien, is just two years younger than Christopher's wife.

That.. is really kinda creepy.

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As harsh as it is to say this: Christopher Tolkien is 90. Eventually, the Tolkien estate will be headed by someone who is more interested in money and a Silmarillion TV series or film will become inevitable. Whether that will be a good or a bad thing, only time can tell.

EDIT: Weird thing I just learned - Chistopher's son, Michael George Tolkien, is just two years younger than Christopher's wife.

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I don't have a problem with them being made, I just hope it's not by Peter Jackson. He's George Lucasing it a little.

Honestly, I think it's just about the money. And after that link tav shared, yaaaah that's it.

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I don't have a problem with them being made, I just hope it's not by Peter Jackson. He's George Lucasing it a little.

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More like George Lucasing it a lot.

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Wtf is wrong with him?

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Age, ego, prior success, being surrounded by people who didn't feel like they could challenge his terrible, terrible decision-making. Writing a set of prequels for an established and somewhat loved set of movies.

Sounds familiar.

I've seen one comment I wholeheartedly agree with. I've had personal experience of dealing with the just how pernicious the estate can be about infringements. The gentleman is a prick indeed.

But yeah... more middle earth please, no more Jackson.

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Wtf is wrong with him?

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Age, ego, prior success, being surrounded by people who didn't feel like they could challenge his terrible, terrible decision-making. Writing a set of prequels for an established and somewhat loved set of movies.

Sounds familiar.

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Pretty much. People keep saying, "yes!" to your ideas all the time, you're going to be convinced that all of them are great.

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I don't have a problem with them being made, I just hope it's not by Peter Jackson. He's George Lucasing it a little.

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More like George Lucasing it a lot.

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We have to wait for him to do the LotR Special Re-Master where he's edited out Ian Holm for Martin Freeman for him to go Full Lucas. I assume it's only a matter of time.

Lucas wrote out 50% of Sebastian Shaw's scenes in the movie.

Think about that for a few seconds, team.

Probably for the best that there's no Silmarillion movie since it should technically start with a big ol' screen of nothing.

Shame. The Hobbit movies weren't as good as the original trilogy, but I still got enjoyment out of them. Looking forward to Battle of the Five Armies next week.

To be fair, while the Silmarillion as a whole would be difficult to turn into a movie, there are certainly stories within it that are convertable. The tale of Beren and Luthien would be one, perhaps Turin's tale as well. Of the entire Silmarillion, those two are the most detailed and fleshed out. Personally, I wouldn't be against some adaptation of parts of the Silmarillion, if only because I want to see Fingolfin vs Morgoth with all the glory and epic music that that part of the book deserves.

I loved the original Lord of The Rings, but The Hobbit simply doesn't have that great of a premise to make 3 individual 3 hour movies out of them. =( I'm off to see the third and final one in just over an hour. I'll restrain my full opinion until I have witnessed the conclusion. So far, the only scene I really liked was Gollum, but even that seemed a little contrived. Also...they made him look waaaaay too much like Andy Serkis this time around.

Surprisingly, I actually quite enjoyed the third film. Say what you want about Peter Jackson, he definitely knows what he is doing when it comes to action and battle scenes. The Hobbit as a series I'd give 7/10. The original trilogy I'd award full marks 10/10, even if Elijah Wood was a little miscast. =)