The 2015 Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue cover

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By now, we've all seen the 2015 Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue, which features model Hannah Davis on the cover. The cover depicts her in a pose that suggests that she is pulling her bikini bottom down; it comes within an inch of exposing her genitals. Some critics think that the cover is too racy, and I personally agree; it's too low, and it comes dangerously close to exposing her bare pelvis. I don't want to see that. What do you think about this?

Don't like, don't look! :) I'm not gonna complain about the falling down of society.

It's the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition. Like, what are people expecting? The whole thing is softcore porn and a cheap thrill. It's not like the journalistic integrity of a genuine publication has somehow been compromised. It sends a horrible message to young girls? Yes, it does, but bloody hell the entire existence of and every single photo in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition sends a horrible smurfing message to young girls. And you know what else sends a horrible message to young girls? That a couple of inches below their waste are shameful and depraved.

I guess my view on this entire thing is that I don't really have time for either side.

Oh heavens me. You mean a magazine devoted to showing women in bikini's for the kids that don't want to be caught with porn by their parents is showing a woman in a bikini who's almost out of the bikini?

Firstly, if she isn't naked, there's really no controversy here as far as how much is she showing, in no small part because I think societies obsession with never acknowledging that naked people exist is pretty silly. Second, if the controversy is that a woman isn't quite covered enough and not that there's still a swimsuit issue in 2015 to begin with, I have to wonder what decade we're living in here. Because I'd imagine that society paying so much attention and hyping the simple existence of a magazine issue devoted to women in skimpy bikini's sends a worse message than the coverage said bikini is providing.

I mean hell, I like looking at an attractive woman as much as the next heterosexual male, but why is this so important?

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By now, we've all seen the 2015 Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue

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Sometimes I just think you are the cutest thing.

1) I am pro-nudity.
2) I am anti-over-sexualization.

I say it's a wash.

Couldn't care less. If Sports Illustrated stopped doing it, another magazine/company would just rise up with the same thing so long as the demand was there.

People worry about girls posing in bikinis when there is so much worse online and it's far more easily accessible than Sports Illustrated is.

Why don't you want to see that, Supermillionaire?

Because it comes dangerously close to exposing her bare pelvis!

Mmmmm... bear pelvis...

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Is that the pelvis bone of a bear?

Anyway, it comes dangerously close to exposing her genitals, and that should not be shown in public.

But it didn't show any genitals, so I'm not really seeing the issue here.

I wouldn't mind if she did show her genitals anyway. She's pretty hot.

Where was he to bitch and whine when Kim Kardashian was fully nood in Paper Magazine!?

Huh, I think these people need a reality check to what exactly most kids these days are exposed to over the intertubes. There's porn out there that makes you (at least me) figuratively and literally vomit.

Questioning a suggestive bikini model is like questioning the paper cut on your finger after a gunshot to the heart.

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Anyway, it comes dangerously close to exposing her genitals, and that should not be shown in public.

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I agree. We need to stop coming dangerously close to exposing genitals in public. That stuff just needs to be completely uncovered. My boys need to breath after all.

I am genuinely outraged by this. "Hannah Davis goes down south" with a photo of her pulling her knickers down? Bloody terrible pun, and I'm offended reading it. :colbert:

Ummm....maybe I'm missing something but...isn't this par for the course for SI Swimsuit Editions?

Is it really any worse than this, or this, or even this? I don't recall a media frenzy over any of those.

I don't get why the internet is so terrified of female bodies as of late.

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There are probably a bunch of people who've seen Teeth and think it's a documentary.

Pretty sure Sports Illustrated takes a lot of topless photographs that are dangerously close to exposing boobies, if not for strategic arm positions in their poses. So, those girls are already into showing their bits off. And publicists are already into pushing the boundaries and showing everything they can get away with. In fact, I'm pretty sure this was normal even in Sports Illustrated of the 90s if I remember correctly. As was stated, it's the closest thing to porn that maturing young boys can actually purchase. Granted it's more meant to appeal to adult men with the same basic mindset and faculties but it still gets the job done its intended. They want to be Playboy without actually being Playboy. And they've pretty much cornered the market on it

Come to think of it, you're right; I went to a Wal-Mart the other day and I found a copy, and I looked through it, and some of the photos were in fact topless!

And eww, UFC fighter Ronda Rousey was featured in this magazine too! The front cover states on the right edge: "Ronda Rousey delivers a knockout." She's ugly, creepy, and scary. I looked at her photoshoot just to see what she looked like in a swimsuit, and I did not like what I saw. She was featured alongside tennis player Caroline Wozniacki, who I thought looked good, but seriously, MMA and tennis? That's not a good combination. Perhaps they should have used another athlete, like someone who plays soccer or something, but not tennis.

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Come to think of it, you're right; I went to a Wal-Mart the other day and I found a copy, and I looked through it, and some of the photos were in fact topless!

And eww, UFC fighter Ronda Rousey was featured in this magazine too! The front cover states on the right edge: "Ronda Rousey delivers a knockout." She's ugly, creepy, and scary. I looked at her photoshoot just to see what she looked like in a swimsuit, and I did not like what I saw. She was featured alongside tennis player Caroline Wozniacki, who I thought looked good, but seriously, MMA and tennis? That's not a good combination. Perhaps they should have used another athlete, like someone who plays soccer or something, but not tennis.

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Different strokes for different folks, my man :monster:

Wow, judgmental much, supermilionaire?

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Come to think of it, you're right; I went to a Wal-Mart the other day and I found a copy, and I looked through it, and some of the photos were in fact topless!

And eww, UFC fighter Ronda Rousey was featured in this magazine too! The front cover states on the right edge: "Ronda Rousey delivers a knockout." She's ugly, creepy, and scary. I looked at her photoshoot just to see what she looked like in a swimsuit, and I did not like what I saw. She was featured alongside tennis player Caroline Wozniacki, who I thought looked good, but seriously, MMA and tennis? That's not a good combination. Perhaps they should have used another athlete, like someone who plays soccer or something, but not tennis.

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I'd like you to meet Ronda Rousey one day and say that to her face. You know, just to see how she'd react.

(FWIW, I think she's pretty cute, but to each their own I guess)

She's like Wolverine from the X-Men; she's the best at what she does, but what she does (which is beating the crap out of people in an octagon-shaped cage) is not very nice. I think it's uncivilized. And all MMA fighters look creepy.

Again, that's very judgmental and rude :colbert:

People have been very judgemental of me all thoughout my life, so why can't I be judgemental?

That said, I would like to see fictional clones of her in video games such as Street Fighter, Tekken, and Dead or Alive.

An eye for an eye leaves the world blind.

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Again, that's very judgmental and rude :colbert:

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Come on, let's be honest. She has a face that wouldnt look out of place textured on the low-polys, in the original Metal Gear Solid on PS1.

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Bluff. She has eyes in that picture.

omg you mean girls have boobies and vaginas!? OMG! I can't look!

EDIT: Hannah Davis is super hot.

I found a copy of the issue in another store recently, and I took a second look at her photoshoot, and this time, I thought she looked better. Initially, the thought of her in a swimsuit was kind of ugly, and when I took my first look at it, I looked at it too quickly. When I took my second look at it, I looked at it for a longer period of time, and this time, I thoguht she looked better. I still think they should have featured another athlete alongside her instead of Caroline Wozniacki, because MMA and tennis doesn't sound like a good combination, but I've seen worse; Miley Cyrus post-Hannah Montana and in her "Wrecking Ball" music video I think is worse than Ronda Rousey. Anyway, the thing about Ronda Rousey is this: usually, every time I see her, she's usually glaring, and she has a very scary glare that says that she's not to be messed with, although when I took a look at her Wikipedia page, the picture at the top of the page depicted her smiling. All MMA fighters in real life, as opposed to fictional fantasy fighting video game characters such as those in Street Fighter, Tekken, and Dead or Alive, tend to have scary looking faces, and when they glare, they look really scary. In video games, some characters may also have scary faces, but not all of them.

My opinion of the UFC, as well as boxing and other combat sports in general, is this: there is always going to be a certain level of violence in combat sports, but it should not have to be too much, and that's the problem; it's too much violence, so much so that I think it becomes uncivilized at times. In my family, we like boxing, and we are pumped for the Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather boxing match (let's hope it doesn't last just 14 seconds, like the Ronda Rousey vs Cat Zingano fight), but I still think they should tone the violence down. Place less emphasis on violence and more emphasis on strategy, technique, and skill. Though I'm curious as to why the WBO, WBC, WBA, and IBF don't show women's boxing matches on TV, considering that the UFC and other MMA fighting organizations show women's matches on TV; each of the four aforementioned boxing organizations have women's boxing events, but they don't seem to show it on television; you have to go online to see it. The UFC isn't the only MMA organization out there; two others I know about are Bellator and the World Series of Fighting. The UFC is broadcast on Fox Sports 1, except for certain main events, which are pay-per-view, Bellator is broadcast on Spike, and the World Series of Fighting is broadcast on NBCSN.

Another thing I don't like about combat sports is that they tend to trash talk each other. For instance, I watched an interview of Ronda Rousey on ESPN's SportsCenter, and I remember a quote that went something like "The way I fight, I fight as if my opponent never wants to see me again." I also saw an article on Yahoo, stating that she called out boxer Laila Ali, the daughter of boxing legend Muhammad Ali, and said "I'll destroy you!" Trash talking seems to be common in both the UFC and in boxing, although Manny Pacquiao has not talked any trash so far leading up to his match with Floyd Mayweather.

Yet another problem I have with combat sports is that they promote a negative image of masculinity. "Manliness" is often associated with gratuitious violence and trash talking. Prior to joining Fox Sports, the UFC used to be on Spike, which was aimed at men who were into "manly" things, such as overly gratuitous violence and trash talk. I once took a gender studies course in college, and I discussed MMA with my professor, and she agreed that the sport promotes this nasty image of "manliness." My father is one of those "machismo manly" men, who also happens to be a fan of the UFC, and because he is a "macho manly" man, that is why I am not as close with him as I would have liked to be.

One common interest I share with my father is our interest in soccer, and what I don't like is that the majority of the soccer is on Fox Sports. The UEFA Champions League, the CONCACAF Champions League, the CONCACAF Gold Cup, and starting in 2018, the FIFA World Cup, which they stole away from ESPN, are all on Fox Sports, the same company who broadcasts the UFC. They share MLS with ESPN, but the rest are all exclusive to Fox Sports. The Barclays Premier League is on NBCSN, who also broadcasts the World Series of Fighting. ESPN has MLS, the UEFA European Championship of Nations, and some international friendlies, usually involving the U.S. national team.

Going back to Ronda Rousey, the odds of me meeting her in person are virtually nil. I will probably never, ever, meet her. Now, I wouldn't say what I posted here to her face, because she'd probably hit me in the face. Of course, she doesn't read this forum, so it doesn't matter anyway, but still. However, in the unlikely event that I do meet her, I will tell her that I'm scared of her, and that I don't like MMA because it's too violent, and also probably ask her why she trash talks opponents. I probably shouldn't have posted what I posted earlier, but since it's too late to edit it out, I came up with this post. I'll also take back the "ugly" part, but I'll keep the "creepy and scary" parts intact. I would also ask her this: why are martial arts called arts? Is it an art form to beat someone up?

Also, last night, on ESPN's SportsCenter, I watched a comedy segment called "14 Seconds with Ronda Rousey," making reference to how she defeated Cat Zingano in just 14 seconds. It game me a glimpse of her fun side, something that I didn't think she would have; she participated in a marshmallow eating contest, took part in a pickle jar opening contest, gave an ESPN employee a haircut, and made funny faces. It was pretty funny; I laughed.

All of that said, I want to see fictional clones of Ronda Rousey in Street Fighter, Tekken, and Dead or Alive.

You don't like how she trash talks her opponents but you just wrote out a long winded post trash talking her? Goodness, Supermillionaire. It's not surprising she does normal things because she is a normal person and not a scary one. Goodness.

I didn't trash talk her; I just criticized her. I respect her skills, but I don't like MMA because it's too violent. And very few times have I ever seen any MMA fighter complement another's fighting skills. And while I will take "ugly" back, I will still say that she is creepy and scary.

I see them do that all the time. I don't think you're looking hard enough.

All martial arts look like crap when they're not choreographed. Fighting is pointless anyway. There are better ways to compete against other people than trying to make each others face look like a pulped baked potato.

Like running after a ball of leather. Woo. Super fun.

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Football sucks. Bake off on the otherhand. It's creative, it tases awesome and makes people happy. Never seen a miserable face when you feed someone a cookie!

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I see them do that all the time. I don't think you're looking hard enough.

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I knew that sometimes they complement each other, but it doesn't seem to be all that often. Maybe in other MMA organizations, such as Bellator and the World Series of Fighting, but not in the UFC. And in fictional fantasy fighting games, they complement each other as well.

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All martial arts look like crap when they're not choreographed. Fighting is pointless anyway. There are better ways to compete against other people than trying to make each others face look like a pulped baked potato.

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In movies and TV shows, fights are choreographed in a certain way so that they look cool. There's no choreography in the actual sport, however, nor in the video games, yet video game fights look cool too.

I've seen everything from UFC 1 to UFC 130, and I saw a lot of compliments and respect.

Fighting looks cool in videogames because they use idealized execution of every move, not real world application. Basically, the attacks look just like they do when you perform a kata, or hit/kick punching bags and focus on technique. You can get away with this in video games because you don't have as many evasive options as you have in real life, and because the consequence of not having a good defence are way more serious. Fighting games are very sterile and predictive environments, compared to even the most rule-heavy real life fighting sports.

In a game, pressing a single button will make half the game's attacks not hurt you. In real life, you need to be able to react in 20 different ways for 20 different attacks. This reduces depth by a lot, which allows for attacks to be be animated much more simplistic and static.

I think it's hard to really appreciate the level of technique seen in MMA fights if you don't have first hand experience with at least one form of martial art.

Also, different strokes for different folks. I find fighting, even with lots of rules, to be a very rewarding experience. You get to learn a lot about your own body's limits, and the feeling of being on top of the situation both mentally and physically feels extremely good. Knowing that even the slightest loss of concentration will lead to painful punishment fills you with adrenalin in ways that many other competitions cannot.

That's true, in video games, you just press a certain button to block an attack and it blocks all of the opponent's attacks, except for grabs and throws, which are unblockable.

The other day, I took a few minutes to watch a small segment of a match on the World Series of Fighting on NBCSN, and after the match was over, which ended via a submission, the two fighters shook hands, patted each other on the back, thanked each other for the match, and complemented each other. And then, when the next match began, the two fighters put their fists together as a "good luck" gesture. I haven't seen that in the UFC. From what I have seen of the UFC, they trash talk each other, but why do they do that? If they supposedly respect each other, why do they trash talk each other?

And another thing I would want to know is this: why are martial arts called "arts?" Is it an art form to beat someone up?

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And another thing I would want to know is this: why are martial arts called "arts?" Is it an art form to beat someone up?

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It's probably a simplification of the original meaning through the first translators at the time. While 術 can refer to art, it also can mean skill. You could translate Wushu into a variety of different words. The word art was probably chosen because of the historical philosophical associations with Chinese Martial Arts. Martial arts is a catch all term now though which refers to any fighting discipline, i'd imagine?

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From what I have seen of the UFC, they trash talk each other, but why do they do that? If they supposedly respect each other, why do they trash talk each other?

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Because their job is to provide entertainment to viewers. That's what they are paid for.

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And another thing I would want to know is this: why are martial arts called "arts?" Is it an art form to beat someone up?

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It's probably a simplification of the original meaning through the first translators at the time. While 術 can refer to art, it also can mean skill. You could translate Wushu into a variety of different words. The word art was probably chosen because of the historical philosophical associations with Chinese Martial Arts. Martial arts is a catch all term now though which refers to any fighting discipline, i'd imagine?

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Of all the words, why did they have to choose the word art? I don't think it should be called an art form to beat someone up.

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From what I have seen of the UFC, they trash talk each other, but why do they do that? If they supposedly respect each other, why do they trash talk each other?

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Because their job is to provide entertainment to viewers. That's what they are paid for.

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So they respect each other in private, but talk trash in public when everyone's watching? Why?

And another thing: with the exceptions of boxing and wrestling, which were invented in Greece back in ancient times (although modern boxing was invented in the UK), do all martial arts come from Asia? The reason why I'm asking this is because although MMA is a Brazilian invention, martial arts have been typically, traditionally, and historically associated with Asia. Kung fu is from China, taekwondo is from Korea, judo, aikido, karate, and kickboxing are all from Japan, and Muay Thai is from Thailand. I consider Brazilian jiujitsu to be technically Japanese, because it was invented by Japanese immigrants (there are a lot of Japanese immigrants in Brazil).

Unarmed populace leads to creating bare handed fighting styles. Wasn't such a big deal in other countries where people are armed. The martial arts in those countries are all focused around swords, knives, canes etc. Whereas anj unarmed populace focuses on body strikes, kicks, sticks etc. "Oh no, sir, it's not a weapon, it's just a broomst-HWWOOOOARRRRRGH!"

You mean this Ronda?

http://i.imgur.com/HWcrrPv.jpg

Looks fine to me. As for the original topic, the amount of smurfs I give could be divided by zero.

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Unarmed populace leads to creating bare handed fighting styles. Wasn't such a big deal in other countries where people are armed. The martial arts in those countries are all focused around swords, knives, canes etc. Whereas anj unarmed populace focuses on body strikes, kicks, sticks etc. "Oh no, sir, it's not a weapon, it's just a broomst-HWWOOOOARRRRRGH!"

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But Japan also had samurais, who wielded swords, and the Philippines also had escrima sticks. Aside from boxing and wrestling, are there any other bare-handed martial arts that don't come from Asia?

And ToriJ, I don't know who that is, but that does NOT look like Ronda Rousey to me. I'd like to know the identity of the person whose picture you posted, though, but she is not Ronda Rousey.

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Of all the words, why did they have to choose the word art? I don't think it should be called an art form to beat someone up.

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I suppose it depends on one's perspective. There is a lot of confucian philosophical attitudes and culture to deal with in Chinese. When speaking historically about Chinese Martial Arts; we could also define it as: Vegetarians with elevated twatting expertize. Doesn't roll of the tongue quite as fluidly in English though, and probably denegrates an entire system of belief! :P

super mil, that's ronda rousey.

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So they respect each other in private, but talk trash in public when everyone's watching? Why?

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Because it is their job.

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I'd like to know the identity of the person whose picture you posted

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It's Ronda Rousey.

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Of all the words, why did they have to choose the word art? I don't think it should be called an art form to beat someone up.

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I suppose it depends on one's perspective. There is a lot of confucian philosophical attitudes and culture to deal with in Chinese. When speaking historically about Chinese Martial Arts; we could also define it as: Vegetarians with elevated twatting expertize. Doesn't roll of the tongue quite as fluidly in English though, and probably denegrates an entire system of belief! :P

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I forgot to ask, what is the official translation and transliteration of "術"? Transliteration is different from translation; it refers to changing the script, rather than the language. For instance, when you write Japanese using the Roman alphabet, you are transliterating it. What is the official translation and transliteration of "術"?

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So they respect each other in private, but talk trash in public when everyone's watching? Why?

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Because it is their job.

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But wouldn't that be contradictory?

And wow, ToriJ, that's Ronda Rousey? I didn't recognize her at all in that picture.

And aside from boxing and wrestling, are there any other bare-handed martial arts that don't come from Asia?

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But wouldn't that be contradictory?

And aside from boxing and wrestling, are there any other bare-handed martial arts that don't come from Asia?

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Why would it be contradictory?

Apart from boxing and wrestling? Savate (france), systema (russia), sambo (russia), keysi (spain), pankration (greece). Some of these borrow from other styles, but this happens in every fighting system, in asia as well. Some aren't really very popular as a combat sport, but then again, neither is aikido or wing chun.

If you also count stick fighting, which is also common in asia, there are even more european styles.

Please don't bump threads by deleting posts and then reposting the same post days later. Thank you.

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Of all the words, why did they have to choose the word art? I don't think it should be called an art form to beat someone up.

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I suppose it depends on one's perspective. There is a lot of confucian philosophical attitudes and culture to deal with in Chinese. When speaking historically about Chinese Martial Arts; we could also define it as: Vegetarians with elevated twatting expertize. Doesn't roll of the tongue quite as fluidly in English though, and probably denegrates an entire system of belief! :P

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I forgot to ask, what is the official translation and transliteration of "術"? Transliteration is different from translation; it refers to changing the script, rather than the language. For instance, when you write Japanese using the Roman alphabet, you are transliterating it. What is the official translation and transliteration of "術"?

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So they respect each other in private, but talk trash in public when everyone's watching? Why?

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Because it is their job.

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But wouldn't that be contradictory?

And wow, ToriJ, that's Ronda Rousey? I didn't recognize her at all in that picture.

And aside from boxing and wrestling, are there any other bare-handed martial arts that don't come from Asia?

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If we were to convert 術 to the Latin alphabet, if we were using the Putonghua as the syllabic standard, then it is translated as shù. As a generic approximation of its meaning, you would probably assimilate it will the word 'Skill' in English. Context is everything though. 術 Appears in various disciplines and words that relate to forms of art as well. It stretches from its inclusion oh the word for mathematics to cosmetology.

Ultimately, to refer to it as martial arts in English would be linked to Tzu Sun's Art of War.

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But wouldn't that be contradictory?

And aside from boxing and wrestling, are there any other bare-handed martial arts that don't come from Asia?

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Why would it be contradictory?

Apart from boxing and wrestling? Savate (france), systema (russia), sambo (russia), keysi (spain), pankration (greece). Some of these borrow from other styles, but this happens in every fighting system, in asia as well. Some aren't really very popular as a combat sport, but then again, neither is aikido or wing chun.

If you also count stick fighting, which is also common in asia, there are even more european styles.

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It would be contradictory because if they respect each other, why would they trash talk each other?

I've heard of pankration; it combines the attacks of boxing and wrestling, but has very few rules, and was an ancient Greek predecessor to Brazilian vale tudo. Let me ask you this, though: if there are lots of European martial arts, why aren't they popular? Why aren't they as popular as their Asian counterparts?

And Psychotic, I edited my post, adding things to it.

Because trash talking each other is part of the show they put on, and is part of competition. It can be fun to trash talk each other. Also, it's a valid tactic to try and get in your opponents head and psych them out. Any advantage you can get because respect or not, they are fighting to win.

And side note since I was on staff before, editing a post doesn't bump the thread and staff can see deleted posts.

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And Psychotic, I edited my post, adding things to it.

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Nope, you definitely deleted it twice and reposted.

There's a handy-dandy "Edit Post" at the bottom of your post, and you should use that when you want to add more to your original post. :)

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Because trash talking each other is part of the show they put on, and is part of competition. It can be fun to trash talk each other. Also, it's a valid tactic to try and get in your opponents head and psych them out. Any advantage you can get because respect or not, they are fighting to win.

And side note since I was on staff before, editing a post doesn't bump the thread and staff can see deleted posts.

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Why would they do that, though? Is that even fair?

Also, why aren't European martial arts, other than boxing and wrestling, as popular as Asian martial arts?

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Because trash talking each other is part of the show they put on, and is part of competition. It can be fun to trash talk each other. Also, it's a valid tactic to try and get in your opponents head and psych them out. Any advantage you can get because respect or not, they are fighting to win.

And side note since I was on staff before, editing a post doesn't bump the thread and staff can see deleted posts.

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Why would they do that, though? Is that even fair?

Also, why aren't European martial arts, other than boxing and wrestling, as popular as Asian martial arts?

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Of course it's fair. If you can't handle trash talk from an opponent then you don't deserve to win.

And I would guess that the answer to the latter question is because there aren't that many European martial arts that have survived to the present day the way Asian martial arts have, there's less of the mystique with things that don't come from totally different cultures, and because they may be less common in general and less effective.

But even just on the question of popularity, I know of no European martial arts being taught anywhere in my province except for boxing and wrestling. But there are plenty of places in my city alone that teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Aikido, Taekwondo, Karate, etc. It's kind of hard for anything else to become popular in MMA when there's few places to actually learn them without leaving the country.

Boxing and wrestling have been proven to be extremely efficient tools to have in your MMA toolbox, though. You'd be wise to not underestimate them.

If you want to have a bit of fun, you could compare the number of popular western martial arts and how well they've done in MMA with the number of popular eastern martial arts and how many of them have done well in MMA.

Boxing and wrestling. Both really good in MMA. How many other popular ones are there? One? that's 66.7% for western ones.

Karate (some styles, anyway), ju jitsu, brazilian ju jitsu if you want to count that as asian. If you can name more than one additional popular eastern martial art (i'm pretty sure you can), it looks like western martial arts have a much higher success rate!

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Originally Posted by Vivi22

Because trash talking each other is part of the show they put on, and is part of competition. It can be fun to trash talk each other. Also, it's a valid tactic to try and get in your opponents head and psych them out. Any advantage you can get because respect or not, they are fighting to win.

And side note since I was on staff before, editing a post doesn't bump the thread and staff can see deleted posts.

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Why would they do that, though? Is that even fair?

Also, why aren't European martial arts, other than boxing and wrestling, as popular as Asian martial arts?

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Of course it's fair. If you can't handle trash talk from an opponent then you don't deserve to win.

And I would guess that the answer to the latter question is because there aren't that many European martial arts that have survived to the present day the way Asian martial arts have, there's less of the mystique with things that don't come from totally different cultures, and because they may be less common in general and less effective.

But even just on the question of popularity, I know of no European martial arts being taught anywhere in my province except for boxing and wrestling. But there are plenty of places in my city alone that teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Aikido, Taekwondo, Karate, etc. It's kind of hard for anything else to become popular in MMA when there's few places to actually learn them without leaving the country.

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To me, it doesn't make sense to trash talk opponents if you respect them.

And why didn't European martial arts, with the exceptions of boxing and wrestling, become as popular as Asian martial arts?

Also, another question I want to ask is this: if the UFC and other MMA organizations show women's MMA matches on television, why don't the WBO, WBC, WBA, and IBF show women's boxing matches on television? I looked up all four boxing organizations, and they do have women's boxing events and champions, but they don't show them on TV. I would have thought that Laila Ali would have popularized women's boxing back in the day during her career. Why isn't women's boxing shown on TV?

And another thing: Why isn't the UFC on HBO or Showtime, like all of the boxing organizations? I think the UFC should be on HBO or Showtime, not on Fox Sports 1. Why isn't the UFC on HBO or Showtime?

And also, knockouts in boxing are just one punch; once they fall, they stop attacking. In the UFC, however, they continue to punch the opponent when they are down. Why do they do that?

SuperMillionaire - stop deleting posts and reposting them. If you want to edit posts you have already made, use the Edit Post function at the bottom of the post.

If I think of something else that I forgot to think of earlier, I add it to my post.

And I just want my questions answered. I have a lot of questions, and I want answers.

It's been a while, but in addition to the questions above, which I still want answers to, I also want to talk about Ronda Rousey again. This past weekend, she just defeated previously-undefeated Brazilian fighter Bethe Correia by knockout in just 34 seconds. It took a few seconds longer that her previous fight, but it was still a very short fight. I didn't watch the fight itself, but I saw clips of it on ESPN's Sports Center. As much as I don't like MMA because of its extreme violence, I can't help but be fascinated by how she fights. I mean, how does she do it, and why does she do it?