So, The Amazing Spider-Man franchise has gone the way of...

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02-16-2015, 07:47 PM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

So, The Amazing Spider-Man franchise has gone the way of...

...Tim Burton's Batman franchise and the Timothy Dalton Bond films. Basically what I'm saying is that it was a two-and-done. The Amazing Spider-Man franchise has garnered the same kind of lukewarm response that the Timothy Dalton Bond films have received in the past, basically nobody appreciated them at the time because people were angry. People were angry that Pierce Brosnan wasn't the new Bond and people were angry that Spider-Man 4 never came to fruition.

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is like Batman Returns in a sense that nobody appreciated it because the film was viewed as a disaster, and the follow-up film would take Batman/Spider-Man into a new direction.
02-16-2015, 08:22 PM
Freya

Well Spiderman is joining the Marvel Cinematic Universe now so it's a new studio. They have to do something different.
02-16-2015, 08:28 PM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by Freya

Well Spiderman is joining the Marvel Cinematic Universe now so it's a new studio. They have to do something different.

Technically, it's the same studio because Sony Pictures has final script approval even though Marvel Studios has creative control...So anything Marvel does has to be approved by Sony.
02-16-2015, 09:02 PM
Ayen

And both were great movies.
02-16-2015, 09:33 PM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by ToriJ

And both were great movies.

Which movies are you talking about here, The Amazing Spider-Man Movies (1-2), the Tim Burton Batman movies (Batman '89 & Batman Returns) or the Timothy Dalton Bond movies? (The Living Daylights/Licence to Kill)
02-16-2015, 09:52 PM
escobert

I liked the Batman and Batman returns. Never saw the newer ones.

I wasn't a big fan of the first 2 spider man movies and didn't watch any others after.
02-16-2015, 10:41 PM
Ayen

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Originally Posted by ToriJ

And both were great movies.

Which movies are you talking about here, The Amazing Spider-Man Movies (1-2), the Tim Burton Batman movies (Batman '89 & Batman Returns) or the Timothy Dalton Bond movies? (The Living Daylights/Licence to Kill)

The Spider-Man and Batman movies.
02-16-2015, 10:51 PM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by ToriJ

The Spider-Man and Batman movies.

So, you really liked Batman (1989), Batman Returns, The Amazing Spider-Man and The Amazing Spider-Man 2, am I right? That's cool.
02-16-2015, 10:56 PM
Ayen

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Originally Posted by Johnny_10921

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Originally Posted by ToriJ

The Spider-Man and Batman movies.

So, you really liked Batman (1989), Batman Returns, The Amazing Spider-Man and The Amazing Spider-Man 2, am I right? That's cool.

Yes. Tim Burton Batman was the best we had before Chris Nolan came along and even after that I'd still rate them pretty highly. The Amazing Spider-Man got rid of the camp of the older movies and had a much more believable guy in the role of Peter Parker. It also made the leading lady more than just a damsel in distress. I liked the liberty they took with the villains better too.

Sam Raimi's Spider-Man had the superior Aunt May, though.
02-16-2015, 11:00 PM
Slothy

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Originally Posted by Johnny_10921

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Originally Posted by Freya

Well Spiderman is joining the Marvel Cinematic Universe now so it's a new studio. They have to do something different.

Technically, it's the same studio because Sony Pictures has final script approval even though Marvel Studios has creative control...So anything Marvel does has to be approved by Sony.

Not really relevant. Saying Sony has final approval on anything that Marvel does with Spider-Man would be like sending me back in time to 1980 and giving me final approval on all of Neil Peart's drum tracks for Moving Pictures. I may be a drummer, but am I going to tell the man who's made some of the greatest rock songs and drum parts of the previous decade that I know better than him how to do it? Probably not. I'm gonna sit back and let the guy who's been way more successful than me and hasn't missed a step yet keep on making some really good albums with his band.
02-16-2015, 11:16 PM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by Vivi22

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Originally Posted by Johnny_10921

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Originally Posted by Freya

Well Spiderman is joining the Marvel Cinematic Universe now so it's a new studio. They have to do something different.

Technically, it's the same studio because Sony Pictures has final script approval even though Marvel Studios has creative control...So anything Marvel does has to be approved by Sony.

Not really relevant.

It's kind of relevant. Who's to say that Sony won't veto any story ideas that Marvel might have, because they don't like them? Sony has final script approval, remember?
02-16-2015, 11:29 PM
Ayen

Did you not read anything else Vivi said after that line? As long as it makes Sony money they'll keep their mouths shut, and given Marvel's track record there's not much doubt that it will make them money.
02-16-2015, 11:48 PM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by ToriJ

Did you not read anything else Vivi said after that line? As long as it makes Sony money they'll keep their mouths shut, and given Marvel's track record there's not much doubt that it will make them money.

Studio executives have huge egos though. And it was huge egos which led to crappy "films" like Iron Man 2 and Spider-Man 3. Even Amazing Spider-Man 1 & 2 had some type of studio interference going there. I guess I'm just worried about the MCU Spider-Man reboot having the same type of interference going on there, because Sony was guilty of it three times over. Because of the mere fact that Sony has final script approval leads me to believe that they might try to throw their weight around.

Sony needs the Marvel Cinematic Universe a lot more, then they (Marvel Studios) need them. But who's to say that Sony won't veto a few story ideas here and there, because they've done it before.
02-16-2015, 11:56 PM
Egami

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Originally Posted by Johnny_10921

But who's to say that Sony won't veto a few story ideas here and there, because they've done it before.

Well, if we are talking about Avengers 3, I really doubt they would veto anything Joss Whedon comes up wit. Just like the studios don't veto what Nolan comes up with because they know he delivers.
02-17-2015, 12:33 AM
Electroshock Therapy

That's a shame, really, because it so much better than those embarrassing Sam Raimi films. A better Peter Parker, better stories, better character interaction, more heart, and better drama without jumping neck-deep into soap opera. And most importantly, it wasn't as camp as an RV park. How it was perceived lesser than the Raimi films is beyond me!
02-17-2015, 12:55 AM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by Electroshock Therapy

That's a shame, really, because it so much better than those embarrassing Sam Raimi films. A better Peter Parker, better stories, better character interaction, more heart, and better drama without jumping neck-deep into soap opera. And most importantly, it wasn't as camp as an RV park. How it was perceived lesser than the Raimi films is beyond me!

Well, that's what happens whenever people don't support a movie. It forces the studio (Sony Pictures) to go in a different direction. Imagine if The Dark Knight (2008) had been the lowest grossing Batman movie ever...If that had happened, we certainly wouldn't have gotten The Dark Knight Rises.
02-17-2015, 03:34 AM
Shlup

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Originally Posted by Electroshock Therapy

That's a shame, really, because it so much better than those embarrassing Sam Raimi films. A better Peter Parker, better stories, better character interaction, more heart, and better drama without jumping neck-deep into soap opera. And most importantly, it wasn't as camp as an RV park. How it was perceived lesser than the Raimi films is beyond me!

Agreed. I liked the Amazing Spiderman movies. Though I'm looking forward to Spiderman joining his Disney friends.
02-17-2015, 07:58 PM
Del Murder

The stupidest thing with Amazing Spiderman was that they went for a complete reboot with the origin story yet again. It was way too soon after the Tobey McGuire movies to do pretty much the same plot again (just swap the villain and name of the love interest and add some side story about Peter's parents that goes no where).

Amazing Spiderman 1 was actually decent and Garfield was fine but it was just too similar to a movie I've already seen and loved so this just felt like a copy.

AS2 was pretty terrible. Night and day when compared to Spider-Man 2, which was the best of the trilogy. In AS2 it was almost as if they wrote it in reverse, with a planned climax of (SPOILER)Gwen's death and then trying to figure out how to get it there rather than letting the story grow organically.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Marvel can do, because they've done nothing but greatness over the last several years. I really hope they start with Spidey as an established figure or at least start him off as a new guy in town already in costume rather than going through the origin story yet again.
02-17-2015, 08:10 PM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by Del Murder

The stupidest thing with Amazing Spiderman was that they went for a complete reboot with the origin story yet again. It was way too soon after the Tobey McGuire movies to do pretty much the same plot again (just swap the villain and name of the love interest and add some side story about Peter's parents that goes no where).

Amazing Spiderman 1 was actually decent and Garfield was fine but it was just too similar to a movie I've already seen and loved so this just felt like a copy.

AS2 was pretty terrible. Night and day when compared to Spider-Man 2, which was the best of the trilogy. In AS2 it was almost as if they wrote it in reverse, with a planned climax of (SPOILER)Gwen's death and then trying to figure out how to get it there rather than letting the story grow organically.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Marvel can do, because they've done nothing but greatness over the last several years. I really hope they start with Spidey as an established figure or at least start him off as a new guy in town already in costume rather than going through the origin story yet again.

Yes, and while I agree with you on Amazing Spider-Man 2 to a certain extent, I also believe in comparison to other sequels such as Quantum of Solace, Iron Man 2, Spider-Man 3, and Batman Returns; that Amazing Spider-Man 2 is not THAT bad of a sequel. In fact I'd place it several notches above said sequels. I'd even place it above the stupid Michael Bay-inspired Ninja Turtles movie. :D
02-17-2015, 08:16 PM
Del Murder

All of those sequels are still better than AS2, but yes, sequels are generally worse than the original. That's not a rule though, not even for comic book movies. See: Spider Man 2, X-Men 2, Captain America 2, The Dark Knight...
02-17-2015, 08:28 PM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by Del Murder

All of those sequels are still better than AS2, but yes, sequels are generally worse than the original. That's not a rule though, not even for comic book movies. See: Spider Man 2, X-Men 2, Captain America 2, The Dark Knight...

Can we agree to disagree? Because with Batman Returns, you have to turn your brain off in order to enjoy it. With Iron Man 2, it was a commercial for the upcoming Avengers movie half-way through it. Spider-Man 3 had an unnecessary narration in the beginning; then it had MJ singing and Peter Parker dancing and then Harry & MJ were dancing, and basically it had too much singing and dancing for me, not to mention that MJ could've told Peter that Harry was forcing her to break up with him but she doesn't. Stupid blonde Kristen Dunst keeps her mouth shut for some reason.

Oh, and Quantum of Solace wasn't even half as good as Casino Royale was....No, Skyfall earned that honor in my opinion.
02-17-2015, 10:29 PM
escobert

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Originally Posted by Vivi22

I may be a drummer, but am I going to tell the man who's made some of the greatest rock songs and drum parts of the previous decade that I know better than him how to do it? Probably not. I'm gonna sit back and let the guy who's been way more successful than me and hasn't missed a step yet keep on making some really good albums with his band.

And then you end up with Star Wars Episode 1-3 :p
02-17-2015, 11:56 PM
DMKA

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Originally Posted by escobert

I liked the Batman and Batman returns. Never saw the newer ones.

I wasn't a big fan of the first 2 spider man movies and didn't watch any others after.

Batman Forever is so bad it's good. Batman and Robin is so bad it's bad.

The Dark Knight movies are excellent.
02-18-2015, 02:03 AM
Freya

I love Batman and Robin :(
02-18-2015, 02:06 AM
The Fat Bioware Nerd

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Originally Posted by Freya

I love Batman and Robin :(

Good for you.:D
02-22-2015, 12:07 AM
DMKA

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Originally Posted by Freya

I love Batman and Robin :(

I do too. Just probably not for the same reasons. :p

I still find the ice skating battle and "never leave the cave without it" to be among the funniest scenes in any movie ever.
02-22-2015, 07:42 AM
Shiny

Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 were terrible. The first was boring and a tad redundant. The 2nd had too many villains, corny acting, a terrible score, and unfulfilling. I hope that with anything new they are planning with Spiderman that it's much better. This new reboot is completely disheartening. I hope Sony keeps their mouth shut and let Marvel take complete and total control because otherwise it will continue to be terrible.

With that said I liked Tim Burton's Batman films better than Nolan's for the simple reason that it's a comic world and felt like a comic world. Nolan was geared more toward making it as realistic as possible when it is anything but. I like the message in his films and the acting but not the films themselves. The Dark Knight was only good because of Ledger. Batman Begins was a borefest as was Rises. This is probably an unpopular opinion but that's how I feel so I look forward to reboots...sort of.

I am fearing Affleck as Batman and what Synder is doing to Aqua Man and Batman and just ugh. X-men (a few of the movies)seem to be the only ones that got it totally right.