Old bearded wizard showdown.
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Old bearded wizard showdown.
Gandalf the Grey or Gandalf the White? Jesus Pike, I need to know these things! :colbert:
Gandalf can handle himself in a melle battle but we don't have a good enough indicator of his actual powers to determine his abilities. There's a reason EoFF Character Tournaments circa 2008 had a Gandalf Rule.
For me it's Dumbledore. We know what spells he has and a lot of them are combat-oriented whereas with Gandalf I don't see much of an indicator in the novels or films as to what he is actually capable of.
Gandalf!
He came back from the dead. Did Dumbledore? No.
Gandalf is an absolute boss. He singlehandedly defated a massive, ancient demon of fire and darkness. The most Dumbledore managed is singeing some goblin things (when he and Harry went to get that horcrux but it had been replaced).
Dumbledore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIMoQHpvFQQ
Gandalf.
Gandalf
They'd probably just make out instead, beards entwining as wand brushes up against staff.
Tie their beards together so they have to fight to the death.
Both are great wizards, but anyone who says Dumbledore is objectively wrong.
Someone should totally write that fan-fiction. Assuming they haven't already. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
G to the A to the N dalf..
Gandalf. Dude has more lives than a cat. Plus anything Dumbledore threw at him simply would not pass. Then Gandalf may cut his head off or something. Seen it happen.
I mean, Gandalf is actually a demi-god.
Gandalf barely displayed any powers, but Dumbledore probably wasn't in peak fighting condition by the time the books started and Gandalf seems to have a lot more energy so if were basing this as generally throughout scope of the story Gandalf might have a chance if there's some hidden power he has not fully displayed, but I think if Gandalf at any time were to fight Dumbledore after he fought Grindewald and before Voldemort, Dumbledore would win.
It also depends if this is a fight to the death because I don't think Dumbledore would be willing to kill Gandalf, I cant see him murdering just for the sake of a fight since he prefers non-lethal methods unless his opponent is unquestionably going to murder a lot of people, whereas I can see Gandalf not blinking an eye and snuffing out Dumbledore.
Are you trouting kidding me? How do you think he defeated the Balrog, by politely asking it to die? Or how about breaking Saruman's curse on Theoden and giving him back the years which had been taken from him? Or when he drove away the Nazgul, this saving Faramir's life? Or when he came back from the trouting dead? OF COURSE HE HAS POWERS!Quote:
Originally Posted by blackmage_nuke
Also, he's bitching with a sword as well in combat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. CarnelianAre you trouting kidding me? How do you think he defeated the Balrog, by politely asking it to die? Or how about breaking Saruman's curse on Theoden and giving him back the years which had been taken from him? Or when he drove away the Nazgul, this saving Faramir's life? Or when he came back from the trouting dead? OF COURSE HE HAS POWERS!Quote:
Originally Posted by blackmage_nuke
Technically he defeated the Balrog with a sword, or at least he did in the films (I haven't read the books). I went with Dumbledore for similar reasons as nuke. Gandalf is cooler though.
Dumbledore, throughout the time period covered by the books, largely accomplishes his tasks and victories by crazy gambits and manipulating other talented people around him. Gandalf also does this occasionally but in a stand up wizard duel I think the staff beats the wand.
I think all you Dumbledore lovers forget that Gandalf ain't not old man who happens to know some magic - "The Five Wizards, initially named the Istari, were five Maiar spirits in human form sent to aid the Free Peoples of Middle-earth against the threat of Sauron."
Yeah, Dumbledore is a powerful wizard, but he's still only a man. Gandalf is a demi-god.
Lets put it this way. Being able to return from the dead would be a useful skill for Gandalf to have if he decided to go up against Dumbledore.
EDIT: Though Dumbledore probably wouldn't kill Gandalf. He would overpower him then teach him a valuable lesson about life.
Gandalf took on Dragons, hoards of Orcs, walking trees, a dragon, and an undead army. When he did die, he came back and kept on surviving.
Dumbledore was taken out single-handedly by a second banana who taught middle school for a living.
No he didn't. He watched Bard kill ONE dragon.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMKA
Along with the rest of the Fellowship and was actually involved in very little combat.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMKA
Erm... they were friends. No combat.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMKA
See above.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMKA
Again, no. That was Aragorn, Legolas and GimliQuote:
Originally Posted by DMKA
Which was pre-planned.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMKA
Perfect post, DMKA. Supports the exact opposite of the point you were trying to make.
I'm positive that Gandalf wasn't even allowed to use the full extent of his power while in Middle-Earth. Anyone that voted for Dumbledore clearly doesn't know enough about Tolkien's works.
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Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
I second the mexican wizard knife fight.
Is this seriously a discussion?
Gandalf. Hands down, no questions asked. Gandalf.
I'm sorry, but the "he doesn't do much fighting" argument is nonsense. If you don't think he did enough in the movies, read the books. Before Frodo and company reached Weathertop, Gandalf took on the Nine in combat, ALL NIGHT LONG (during the height of their power), before leaving to Rivendell. His power kept the Witch King out of Minas Tirith. The Witch King. The guy who destroyed the entire kingdom of Arnor and the Dunedain. And Gandalf just went "nope".
Gandalf has power that dwarfs that of Dumbledore. He doesn't like to use it in combat, but it is there. He's also, frankly, smarter than Dumbledore.
"Wisest of the maia was Olorin (gandalf). He too dwelt in Lorien, but his ways often took him to the house of Neinna and from her he learnt patience and pity"
-The Silmarillion-
If it came down to a fight, Dumbledore would not stand a chance. He's a man, facing a demigod who has stood up to and defeated things that take down kingdoms.
Haha, I love how serious this discussion has become :lol:
If we are being realistic though, they both fight for good. I could never envisage a time when they would need to fight each other. OOH WAIT... can...can you imagine if they were like a WWF tag team?
Legion of Doom vs Gandledore
They would destroy all comers!
New Tag Team Champs!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba