A side villain is anyone that isnt the main villain. i may get this wrong so.... theres always the Other option.
Also. in the cases like Golbez. Technicly Zemus was the mastermind so he was the true villain.
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A side villain is anyone that isnt the main villain. i may get this wrong so.... theres always the Other option.
Also. in the cases like Golbez. Technicly Zemus was the mastermind so he was the true villain.
Xande is not a side villain. I could say the same thing about Seymour but I know it would be a waste of time to bring up this topic.
i had a feeling about XandeQuote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth
same with seymour. but i ended up saying that Sin was the main.
Sorry i got that wrong.
Of the list, I liked Golbez the best. Big soft spot for big guys with a big heart, especially if they made a heel-face turn at some point.
It is not about being "wrong"; just that Dark Cloud and [Sin] can hardly be considered real villains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galuf
Of the list I've always really liked Shinra and wished he and the company had continued to be important in the endgame. Outside of the list I would say Gilgamesh is the best.
Ultros wins for humour value, as do Zorn and Thorn in FFIX.
Golbez fo sho
ah. yes see i missed out Zorn and Thorn.Quote:
Originally Posted by charliepanayi
also if theres side villains in XI and XIV then sorry. Though theres 19 options there so i wouldnt of fit them.
I had to give it to the Turks for being entertaining. I love Rude and Reno.
At this point it would be anyone who is not (SPOILER)Zodiark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galuf
Zorn and Thorn.
Edea and Seifer were both great side villains so I choice them. Even though Squalls rival didn't make the list.
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Originally Posted by Saber
Damn. how did i remembe Adel. but not Seifer
Oh, they're villains all right. Even Big Bads. But not primary antagonists, and that's the difference here. An antagonist doesn't have to be a villain, just someone opposing a protagonist. If they're their main opposing force throughout most of the story, they're a primary antagonist. So Xande, Golbez, Edea, and (arguably) Seymour are primary antagonists.Quote:
Originally Posted by SephirothIt is not about being "wrong"; just that Dark Cloud and [Sin] can hardly be considered real villains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galuf
i never even thought about that lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by FynnOh, they're villains all right. Even Big Bads. But not primary antagonists, and that's the difference here. An antagonist doesn't have to be a villain, just someone opposing a protagonist. If they're their main opposing force throughout most of the story, they're a primary antagonist. So Xande, Golbez, Edea, and (arguably) Seymour are primary antagonists.Quote:
Originally Posted by SephirothIt is not about being "wrong"; just that Dark Cloud and [Sin] can hardly be considered real villains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galuf
but it makes sense... i think.
i mean no one called Gary/blue/name in pokemon a villain. but he was an enemy
Yep! Although Pokemon has this weird thing where the rivals are not quite that integrated in your main plot. But they certainly do act as antagonists, as is the case with the Pokemon gym leaders and elite four + champion, and the villainous team, only the last of which are villains. It gets interesting with Black and White where N is definitely the primary antagonist as he drives the plot forward and opposes the protagonist on many ocassions, but even though he's part of team Plasma, he's not a villain. Instead, Ghetsis is the main villain, and though he's still an antagonist, he doesn't have nearly as much presence as N.
"Real villains" was not referring to "villains in general" in my post but as "main villains", so "the big bads" and that is what they are not, because the big bads are the main villains. Darth Vader is also a real villain. Darth Vader is a main antagonist. However, he is not the main villain. That is Darth Sidious.
And by all means, "villain" considers having a morally influenced character, being an individual character with decisions of a person at all. Dark Cloud and [Sin] did not work like that. Dark Cloud was a manifested natural force. And [Sin] was the instinctive part of Jecht that he could barely control - even the part of an individual person that existed in [Sin], Jecht, was not evil at all. So wasn't Yevon=Ju. Yevon=Ju was only an echo of what was left of a broken man. Sin definitely is the antagonist-entity, but no villain entity.
I voted for Seymour. I consider him as the main vilain of FFX, actually.
It's the cause of the "evil" in the world. It's the reason why everything goes to trout and it wants it all to stay that way for his own personal goal. That is definitelty villanous. An Eldritch Abomination of alien morality can't be excluded from being classified as a villain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth