Final Fantasy VII episode start/ endings

Lets have some fun and see if you have some powers that can see into the future ! Are you the next Nostradamus ? :jess:
When and how you predict the Final Fantasy VII episodes to begin and end ?

Episode I :

Start - Same beginning as the original, highly doubt that they would start the game anytime near the ending of Crisis Core.
End - Ending predictions- Dyne's suicide a bit of a downer ending to the first episode, though at that point your whole view of Barret, Cloud and the rest of Avalanche has really moved and changed. - On The Way To Nibelheim- Really picture the game fixing the buggy after experiencing Nanaki's adventure and then a new clip scene plays of the group slowly and painfully driving towards Nibelheim, as Tifa looks down anxiously, and the shock/ surprise on Cloud's face and everybody's face that they see a Nibelheim that appears to be never been burnt down.Cloud and Tifa step outside, as they both look at Nibelhiem, Tifa with watery eyes look at a confused Cloud. Episode ends.

Episode II :

Start- Either at Nibelheim or starting at the Gold Saucer Chocobo Racing.

End- Summoning Of The Black Materia- Cloud begins to go bonkers, and gives Sephiroth the Black Materia. The Weapons awake and Tifa blacks out as the group attempts to escape to Junon. A new cut scene plays of Tifa in the middle of darkness is screaming for Cloud's name, and runs around the darkness in a stress, crying for Cloud, but Cloud doesn't answer. A glitch of flashes showing Tifa meeting a broken Cloud at the Midgar happens. Tifa collapses to the ground. OR it ends a little bit before that, when Sephiroth is gaslighting Cloud, pushing him to make his mind slip into sanity, and stops when Cloud realizes that he was never Solider 1st class. Other guess I have here is that to shock older players is that Aerith's death scene is going to be moved and will play around this time in the game instead, Cloud will see Aerith die, and after a short time of grieving- Sephiroth will reappear and THEN begin to mind- smurf him, and then the episode ends when Cloud starts to believe him. It will also mean that Aerith fans will have more time to spend with Aerith before she goes bye bye, as " Revive Aerith " theories and cheats/ glitches were so popular and are still popular to this day.

Episode III :

Start- Tifa awaking in Junon.

End- Game shows the OG ending, but it also shows small clips of what basically happens in Case Of Tifa, and ends with Cloud revisiting the place where Aerith died, and showing sadness appear in his eyes and him refusing to answer Tifa's cellphone. I would rather the remake keeps Crisis Core/ Advent Children things out of the remake, but knowing SE these days the game is going to be flooding with it- and will likely want to lead on to Advent Children.


What's your guesses ?

Episode One: Up to the point that you leave Midgar.
Episode Two: Up to the point that Aeris dies.
Episode Three: ???
Episode Four: Profit

I think Aerith's demise will be the climax of the first episode.

Episode 1: Until Aerith's Death
Episode 2: Until Cloud return from the lifestream
Episode 3: Until End.

I don't think there's enough to get 4 episodes and still have 'a full games worth of content each' as Square have claimed

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Originally Posted by Fox

I think Aerith's demise will be the climax of the first episode.

Episode 1: Until Aerith's Death
Episode 2: Until Cloud return from the lifestream
Episode 3: Until End.

I don't think there's enough to get 4 episodes and still have 'a full games worth of content each' as Square have claimed

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I don't think you have enough to get a "full game's worth of content" in each of those, with that split. From the point Cloud returns, to the point you beat the game, is nowhere near the amount of content that's in the beginning to the end of Disc One.

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Originally Posted by Fox

I don't think there's enough to get 4 episodes and still have 'a full games worth of content each' as Square have claimed

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I suspect they'll pad it out with additional content that's easy to produce. The Battle Arena springs instantly to mind. That or they're speaking bollocks.

I think there'll be 7 episodes because why not.

1. Ends with leaving Midgar
2. Ends with Cosmo Canyon
3. Ends with Death of a Flower Girl
4. Ends with Finding Cloud after his lifestream tumble
5. Ends with Preparing to jump into Midgar
6. Hurray
7. Probably trying to milk it with Advent Children or Crisis Core content or alternatively Episode Barret (what happened after Cloud fell into the church) Episode Aerith (what happened after Cloud slapped her face in and she ran off) and Episode Yuffie (chronicling her time as a news anchor at Junon seriously that was a thing that happened you guys)

My guess is

1. Leaving Junon and fighting Jenova on the boat.

2. Making it to Temple of the Ancients and seeing Aeris leave.

3. All the way up until you use the Key to the Ancients.

4. The fight with Weapons and Sephy. Return to Midgar northern cave etc

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(chronicling her time as a news anchor at Junon seriously that was a thing that happened you guys)

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Personally, I just assumed that was a disguise for that one time. Same with Cait Sith.

No way! I'm telling you there's going to be a whole Telltale style episode about that where you have to choose whether to blow the elevator bribe guy's racket wide open or keep quiet to let Cloud and company still have access. It'll ask us all questions about ethics, journalistic responsibility and freedom of the press in this morally grey questline that'll have content for three games. Mark my words.

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No way! I'm telling you there's going to be a whole Telltale style episode about that where you have to choose whether to blow the elevator bribe guy's racket wide open or keep quiet to let Cloud and company still have access. It'll ask us all questions about ethics, journalistic responsibility and freedom of the press in this morally grey questline that'll have content for three games. Mark my words.

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10/10 would buy.

Yeah, I think there will be three episodes before we get to Aeris being shafted from behind. If they told the whole of disc one in a single episode I'd be very disappointed. There's too much to fit in.

This is my favourite ever game. I'd happily spend £500 on a twenty-episode game.

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This is my favourite ever game. I'd happily spend £500 on a twenty-episode game.

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...yeah, gotta admit I'd probably cave and spend that much money too if it were the only way to play such a thing. Even if it had bad reviews. And even if it was littered with Compilation nonsense. And I'd still like it somehow.

I really don't think there's enough content for so many. Half the stuff on disc two was already pure padding

I think three episodes would be reasonable and concise thanks to the general rule of three that has been tried and tested since antiquity. But you know SE and how they do things nowadays - they'll probably go with seven or something. I just think I'm gonna lose my mind if I have to endure a whole disc devoted to Wutai (NO MATERIA ALL GAME!) or the Great Glacier - and this one is likely to happen if they end the previous episode on Aerith's death.

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Originally Posted by Fynn

I really don't think there's enough content for so many. Half the stuff on disc two was already pure padding

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Depends what you call an episode, really. Telltale and Square's very own Life is Strange only had a couple of hours of content per episode. They are of course different genres but as this is somewhat uncharted territory we have no idea of knowing how much content Square feels an episode needs. The cynic in me feels they might prefer a higher number of shorter episodes to rake in more cash.

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Originally Posted by Fox

I think Aerith's demise will be the climax of the first episode.

Episode 1: Until Aerith's Death
Episode 2: Until Cloud return from the lifestream
Episode 3: Until End.

I don't think there's enough to get 4 episodes and still have 'a full games worth of content each' as Square have claimed

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I don't think you have enough to get a "full game's worth of content" in each of those, with that split. From the point Cloud returns, to the point you beat the game, is nowhere near the amount of content that's in the beginning to the end of Disc One.

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The trouble is I don't see anywhere to have a split before Aerith gets kebabed. Maybe Cosmo Canyon or Nibelheim but you're not really saving much time to move onto episode 2 there, and Aerith's death is THE turning point of the game. I don't see anywhere you'd have a cut unless you made Midgar its own episode which, IMO, would be horrible.

Maybe a slightly better end of episode 2 would be the point Cloud and Tifa fall into the lifestream together. You've just fought Ultima Weapon, so its pretty climactic, and it gives you a big story moment at the start of episode 3 as Cloud uncovers his true past.

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Originally Posted by Fox

I don't see anywhere you'd have a cut unless you made Midgar its own episode which, IMO, would be horrible.

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I dunno. It would kind of make sense to me. The wouldn't have to worry about the opening section being open-world at all. Plus Midgar is a decent sized chunk of action where lots of cool stuff happens. It's probably the perfect length for an episode.

Once that's out of the way the subsequent episodes can be more like FFXV and be all open-world-y

I feel like Squeenix's promise of each episode being a "full game's worth of content" is going to be it's own destruction.

What does that even mean? Will it be TellTale's idea of having 2 hour stints at a time for each episode? Or will it be more slightly more towards a 10 hour long campaign? Who knows! Nobody will be happy though. xD

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Originally Posted by Fox

Maybe a slightly better end of episode 2 would be the point Cloud and Tifa fall into the lifestream together. You've just fought Ultima Weapon, so its pretty climactic, and it gives you a big story moment at the start of episode 3 as Cloud uncovers his true past.

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Except all that's left after that is the huge materia quest, which is about two hours long, tops, and then Midgar and the Northern Crater. If that's where you made the split, that would give us two episodes with the first one being significantly longer than the second.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Maybe a slightly better end of episode 2 would be the point Cloud and Tifa fall into the lifestream together. You've just fought Ultima Weapon, so its pretty climactic, and it gives you a big story moment at the start of episode 3 as Cloud uncovers his true past.

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Except all that's left after that is the huge materia quest, which is about two hours long, tops, and then Midgar and the Northern Crater. If that's where you made the split, that would give us two episodes with the first one being significantly longer than the second.

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Just make the Huge materia quest longer! It's the best part of the game after all

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Only one way to solve this: FF Talk it out, boys.

I have actually been meaning to do something on how the party are complete jerks for ruining Shinra's sensible huge materia plan.

I think Fox is just being a troll. When I did the marathon, I think he actually agreed when I pointed out to him how stupid the Huge Materia thing is. The only two people who defended it, iirc, were Scruffington and Sephiroth, but I have a feeling arranging an FFTalk with them about it might be problematic :p

(also, still waiting for Canoe to come back so we can do that villain special)

I'd happily do another one soon, though. The last one was overwhelmingly British :p

BoB is a Kiwi, not a Brit. x}

Of course he is! I was referring to Fox :p

Can't be overwhelmingly British then, eh? :p

You can if you're as sassy as he is ;)

If it's FFVII themed then I'm all for FF Talk!

Overwhelmingly British? Me? More like, I think, you simply lack the constitution for such a stimulating debate!

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Overwhelmingly British? Me? More like, I think, you simply lack the constitution for such a stimulating debate!

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The video Wolf and I made is exactly as long as yours. Just sayin' :smug:

Hey what about the videos you and I made Fynn WEREN'T THEY GOOD MEMORIES :(

They were good too! We just never made a four-hour recording together :p

Because we are sane people.

See, you're not overwhelmingly British

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BoB is a Kiwi, not a Brit. x}

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Hey, I'll have you know I am a certified Brit. *does British things*

When you listen to you guys speaking with each other on a podcast like this, it really makes no difference whether you're a Brit or a kiwi :p

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I think Aerith's demise will be the climax of the first episode.

Episode 1: Until Aerith's Death
Episode 2: Until Cloud return from the lifestream
Episode 3: Until End.

I don't think there's enough to get 4 episodes and still have 'a full games worth of content each' as Square have claimed

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I don't think you have enough to get a "full game's worth of content" in each of those, with that split. From the point Cloud returns, to the point you beat the game, is nowhere near the amount of content that's in the beginning to the end of Disc One.

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The trouble is I don't see anywhere to have a split before Aerith gets kebabed. Maybe Cosmo Canyon or Nibelheim but you're not really saving much time to move onto episode 2 there, and Aerith's death is THE turning point of the game. I don't see anywhere you'd have a cut unless you made Midgar its own episode which, IMO, would be horrible.

Maybe a slightly better end of episode 2 would be the point Cloud and Tifa fall into the lifestream together. You've just fought Ultima Weapon, so its pretty climactic, and it gives you a big story moment at the start of episode 3 as Cloud uncovers his true past.

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Well, if Midgar is too short how about Costa Del Sol? Final Boss of the first episode would be JENOVA Birth.

Oh smurf.... just remembered that we are going to see topless Hojo on the beach in modern PS4 graphics....

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Maybe he'll keep the lab coat like in the original? :p

Honestly, having played episodic games, I would be really surprised if Midgar isn't the complete first episode. There is a LOT that happens in that, I don't think it would be too short at all. For an episodic purchase, I'd say that it would be more than enough to satisfy me (I'm assuming we're not paying a full £40 for each episode).

That said, if it is a full game price, then I could understand it going through to, say, Junon or something. I think they will provide us with at least 30 hours of entertainment per episode if it is at full game price, if it's at a more episodic pricing a la most episodic games then I'd say it could be as little as five hours of content per episode depending on the price. Personally I'm really not bothered, because to me this is just a tribute and I'm willing to cough up the cash.

I. Sephiroth let go of JENOVA Birth's body for a final battle of this episode and the characters arrive at the Western Continent. If that is not the end, then the end is after the Nibelheim flashback when they leave Kalm for the Sephiroth chase.
II. Sephiroth kills Aerith, let go of JENOVA Life's body, Cloud buries Aerith.
III. Nanaki and his children look at Midgar.

yeah, i'm not expecting "episodic"... iirc the interview said "multi-part, like the FF XIII saga", not "episodic, like LiS or the new Hitman" which leads me to expect 2 maybe 3 discs... not quite sure where they'd split them up, Sephiroth may have it in his post above, but i expect no more than that...

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yeah, i'm not expecting "episodic"... iirc the interview said "multi-part, like the FF XIII saga", not "episodic, like LiS or the new Hitman" which leads me to expect 2 maybe 3 discs... not quite sure where they'd split them up, Sephiroth may have it in his post above, but i expect no more than that...

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From what I've heard, they've been cycling back the "episodic" plans as much as they can. The reception to the episodic approach has been largely negative. According to the stories I've seen, Square's corporate higher-ups decided that gamers would no longer buy full games due to the failure of AAA games at the tail end of the 360/PS3 console cycle, and that episodic was the only way to go in gaming moving forward. Their own market researchers told them that people were just tired of a very long console cycle, but were ignored.

Then, the start of the new console cycle, and the success of games like The Witcher 3, Square said "oh, people will still buy the big name games, and maybe we should listen to the market research". With the reception to their episodic games (like the new Hitman) being overall not that great, they've tried to backtrack as much as possible from their "episodic is the future" mindset.

So, the fact that they're not calling the remake episodic isn't really surprising to me, as I think they're backing away from that approach to games as much as they can.

For nostalgia's sake, I'm going to say that the episodes will be the same as the sections that the first Final Fantasy VII walkthrough I read was divided into for some reason (even though it was in one book - maybe it was also written in a magazine, per issue or something?).

Episode 1: Midgar (No title given, or I don't remember one)
Episode 2: "The Search for Sephiroth" - Cloud's story to Gold Saucer.
Episode 3: "The Gold Saucer, and Beyond" - Gold Saucer to Meteor being summoned.
Episode 4: "Meteor's Approach" - Execution at Junon to the end of the game.

Yes, these were the titles that the walkthrough gave.