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It took me a few seconds to get this and I'm disappointed in my lack of mental sharpness. I'm getting old. I, too, am a sad cloud I guess.
i legit never though cloud was sad during ff7
and then advent children came out and i was like 'who dis'
'its not cloud who says stuff like 'mosey''
agreed entirely. Like when Aerith died he was a bit sad and a bit angry but he wasn't destroyed by it.Quote:
Originally Posted by krissy
Blame Tetsuya Nomura. While he designed Cloud, he never created his personality. Nomura seems to think that Cloud is this depressed broken character, or wants Cloud to be this emo character, while in reality, Cloud is a massive adorable dork. Notice how Crisis Core Cloud was perfect, because Nomura didn't have full control. Notice how Dissidia Cloud is completely emo, because Nomura is at control.Quote:
Originally Posted by krissy
What's even more depressing is that Nomura has said that " Cloud is like a son to him ", when he doesn't even know or like Cloud's true personality.
Nomura is also doing the remake, so yes, unless he takes so long to bring out the first episode and gets replaced by a new director again like with FFXV Versus, then Cloud is going to be emo.
His art is wonderful if he tones down on the belts, though he doesn't know or understand Cloud for trout.
Idk, he was mostly kind of a dick throughout the game.
Also, I wouldn't consider "mosey" a part of his intended personality, considering how terrible the translation was throughout. I really don't think it was deliberate.
Fake ! Cloud was a giant asshole, but after he's sent through into the Lifestream and gets his identity fixed up by Tifa, then Cloud is alot more friendly and supportive towards everybody. Jenova infected Cloud, is acting what he thinks what a true 1st class Soldier would act like- cold-hearted and dickish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
Good point. He's still that throughout most of the game, which is why that's the main impression you (I) get from VII
Cloud was the straight foil to a world of comedy nonsense, occasionally throwing his hands up and saying "oh go on then" when it requires him to cross-dress or ride a dolphin or whatever. He's not sad, he's just a man who believes in a little less conversation a little more action.
Here is my world class fanfic/remake script:
Barret: "We've got to bomb Reactor no. 7. It'll kill lots of people but it's a necessary evil. The planet's dyin', Cloud!!! Look, there's this mystical energy field called The Lifes-"
Cloud: "I'm gonna stop you right there. I give absolutely zero smurfs about any of that. Let's just destroy the reactor or hospital or whatever it was you just said."
@ Fynn ehhhhh mostly all of the first CD would strongly agree with you- CD 2 however he goes absolutely bonkers and becomes a vegetable, and then gets healed by Tifa. The rest of CD 2 and CD3 is Cloud just being cute and trying his best. :ohdear:
CD 2 Cloud " Nobody out crazes Ophelia " !
https://i.redd.it/27pgrki5o3ux.gif
Which, to be fair, is a very short portion of the game compared to the entirety of disc one and 2/3rds of disc 2, where he isn't that. Remember that story-wise disc 3 is just the Northern Crater
Let's not forget end game Cloud took the time to be compassionate and kind to an airsick Yuffie of all people. I'd have taken the opportunity to casually toss her over the Highwind railings but nope, he consoles her and offers advice. Mother Theresa can get to smurf.
I still prefer apathetic and mildly confused early game Cloud tho'.
Cloud is best when he's trying to be an edgelord badass but failing miserably instead of another edgelord badass.
They barely had any time to even stop and consider what they should feel during the game while chasing Sephiroth. Nojima-san explained the "after Meteor" time very well in On the Way to a Smile. I am absolutely glad that Cloud actually, after being fully healed and with Meteor being gone - and Sephiroth temporarily - found some time of sadness about Aerith. Of course it was a bit too much because in the end it harmed him more than it should and his entire mental vulnerability played a good role in activating the Geostigma, just as everyone who was physically or mentally vulnerable at this point got it activated - but yes, I am still glad.
Cloud is an incredibly self-critical person, especially while not confabulating. He has a certain level of confidence even while not confabulating but he always is incredibly self-critical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychoticagreed entirely. Like when Aerith died he was a bit sad and a bit angry but he wasn't destroyed by it.Quote:
Originally Posted by krissy
True, good points as Tifa says, Cloud never really believes in himself and is rather harsh on himself. Cloud also suddenly crashing into depression is also pretty realistic. Cloud was experimented on for 5 years straight, then watched his best friend get gunned down in the most gruesome way possible, then watched another person close to him get slaughtered, realized that his mind has been broken from heavy experiments and gosh knows what, and also watched his home-town get slowly-burnt to the ground.
It's just games like Kingdom Hearts and Dissidia where there's no need for " Advent Children Cloud " as with KH Aerith is okay, and Dissidia memories are completely lost, so " 1st Soldier Cloud " feels more appropriate. WOFF did a great job of it. It's also the fact that Square- Enix has now completely forgotten that Cloud can be goofy and cheerful.
It is not that those other characteristics are not here. The thing is that Cloud's screentime in Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts is not stretched to that of a 50 hour RPG where he is the main character. That is the reason why characters like him and Aerith might appear a bit one-dimensional in such situations and then seem to be "reduced" to the depressed guy and the most cheerful woman ever even though they very well have their other sides. You cannot focus too much on a multi-facetted character in such a short time so you choose to use some more relevant characteristics and/or the very obvious/well known ones. Just as Sephiroth gets the "superhuman arrogant white-haired black-clothed" villain treatment in such situations even though he is way more, especially a man whose human pride has been much harmed by Cloud, a mere blue ShinRa guard, making his grudge be such an essential part of his being that it is one of his main drives nowadays.
ahh disagree, as said before, WOFF had Cloud as a cameo and they did that really well. Not the best, but so much stronger than KH and Dissidia.
"Disagree" about what? It is a common thing that in crossovers or similiar things where people have shorter screentime get reduced character-wise. That is not something I made up on spot. Cloud happens to be maybe a bit more multi-facetted in World of Final Fantasy but for FFVII Advent Children we did not have enough time nor did the story fit enough to show multiple sides of his character, even less in Kingdom Hearts. With enough screentime and a a script that demands it, there can be more sides shown. I have not reached the Cloud point of World of Final Fantasy yet but if it really is like you described it does still fit with my explanation - not because of the screentime but the scripted part. For further information I need to take a look at him in World of Final Fantasy.
When you think about it, this movie honestly had no reason to exist. It added nothing meaningful to the story, characters or lore, but rather DETRACTED from them. Oh look, Sephiroth and Shinra are still around despite your best efforts, therefore making most of the original PS1 game a complete waste of time since you didn't really accomplish anything. And Cloud still has a stick up his arse over something that was supposed to have been resolved in the original game. As for anyone else, who gives a flying trout. Thanks Nomura.
Yeah, I never thought Cloud was inherently cheerful, but at the end of the game he was friendly and confident. All this mopey stuff really made the character development move backwards.