Will our nostalgia for the original game impact how we see the Final Fantasy VII Remake?
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Will our nostalgia for the original game impact how we see the Final Fantasy VII Remake?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3X0xTeX6iY
Really good video. I've said all along that I can't see FFVII living up to expectations if was ever remade because so many people hold it in reverence for so many different reasons that it's innevitable that some people are going to be disappointed, outraged or let down.
I usually find that if I'm nostalgic about the thing being remade, I am positive about the remake. Also, the remake itself may be nostalgic to those who play it.
Not only that, but FFVII is not a very good game. The pre-rendered art is phenomenal, the music is unbeatable, but the story is a real mess. Most people only love it BECAUSE of nostalgia (thought it does seem these days more major fans of the game are willing to admit it's not very good, but they still love it anyways--which is totally fine). The remake is going to take the charm it still has--again, what makes it still so beloved--and just. No. The story's not going to hold up, and frankly the remake will be trash. SE's record in the past decade-and-a-half has been abysmal, and I don't believe they can recapture what made the original special and breathe new life into it at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aulayna
I don't have the highest of hopes for the remake, but I'm also pretty confident I'll have a hell of a lot of feels when the first few notes of Opening/Bombing Mission kick in.
The art is good, the music is fantastic, the battle system was great, the world-building was second to none, the characters were interesting and complex. But it's a bad game because of the story?Quote:
Originally Posted by JinxNot only that, but FFVII is not a very good game. The pre-rendered art is phenomenal, the music is unbeatable, but the story is a real mess. Most people only love it BECAUSE of nostalgia (thought it does seem these days more major fans of the game are willing to admit it's not very good, but they still love it anyways--which is totally fine). The remake is going to take the charm it still has--again, what makes it still so beloved--and just. No. The story's not going to hold up, and frankly the remake will be trash. SE's record in the past decade-and-a-half has been abysmal, and I don't believe they can recapture what made the original special and breathe new life into it at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aulayna
I think it's a great game overall. Sure, the story is a bit of a mess, but it's just an excuse to explore the world and characters, which are the true stars. Fort Condor, Wutai, Corel, Nibelheim, and of course Midgar. The world Square crafted was great, but I don't think the remake has a chance of capturing what they had their. Mostly because current Square doesn't understand what made it great in the first place.
Nah, the game really is trash. It has the worst battle system in the entire series (did a marathon some time ago and VII was by far the biggest slog to get through). And yes, the story falls apart around the end of Disc 1 and everything starts getting really stupid, so it's hard to appreciate anything "fantastic" about it when it's all just so dumb after you go snowboarding the second after Aerith's death.
More than any other game in the series, I'll play FFVII just for the gameplay. Back when I first played it, I borrowed it from a friend. I only had Disc 1, though. Did I stop playing when I couldn't get Disc 2? Nope. I explored the world, grinded up levels and Materia, found the best farming spots, etcetera. For a couple months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
My favorite progression system except for the job system.
Yes, it's bad just because of the story.
It's an RPG. The story is its draw, and the story is just a terrible mess.
I guess you missed the part where I said, "You can love something and recognize its flaws, or that it's not good".
Yeah, like, I still like FFVII. But it's still trash.
It's hot garbage. But it's my hot garbage.
EoFF just went full youtube fast this time. That's a new record and an impressive one considering this is a Lifestreamdotnet video and their forum is by far more down the youtubey road than this platform.
Now this is getting ridiculous. Say what you like about VII's battle system being flawed as hell but don't ever try to tell me VIII's or IX's were an improvement in any regard. Especially IX, which has arguably the most painfully slow and tedious gameplay of any JRPG ever. Yeah the story started getting a little weird in some areas but I'm sure a lot of that could be attributed to the dodgy translation and retcons from the compilation. On its own I think it still (mostly) holds up fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
Despite the bars moving faster, VII felt slower because even on active all bars would go into "wait" for every spell animation. In FFIX, I could at least keep inputting commands while stuff was going on on the battlefield. So even though the bars technically moved slower, the battles felt faster and more involved.
Trust me. I know how it felt to me. I played them all in succession.
Yes I played them all too, and I for one could not stand IX's constant camera panning and load times, or the extremely long battle animations which don't pause the timers for status effects (including Haste and Slow). I would still take VII over it any day of the week, hell as stupidly broken as VIII's junction system was I'd also take it over IX any day of the week too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
Well, for me VII was the only part of the marathon that was a real slog. VIII and IX had mechanics that made them far more interesting and rewarding, in the end. Idk, I think it's the lack of Hiroyuki Itou's involvement in VII because you can really see how unbalanced materia is.
What mechanics made IX interesting? And VIII was hardly any more balanced from what I've played, and I certainly don't find drawing magic to be rewarding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
I didn't even draw that much magic - there are so many refining skills that you basically don't need to draw anything. Ace your SeeD exams, buy stuff, and get full 100s of spells with no need for grinding. Sure, it's not balanced. But way more fun and varied than FFVII's "just collect 50 million AP to master this materia) thing.
With FFIX, it was the AP management that made it interesting. I loved that even if you managed to learn every skill off the weapons you still had to decide which abilities to pick for the circumstances at hand. Again, a similar concept to materia, but I think it was just executed much better. Not to mention you could use a skill immediately after equipping a weapon, making the decision whether to pick a weapon for stats or abilities even more interesting.
Really, all this made VIII and IX more fun than VII for me this time around
I never bothered with grinding AP in VII since the game was already incredibly easy without it. But I'd still choose that over SeeD exams. I play games to get away from that stuff. Also I didn't like your abilities being tied to your equipment in IX, but I guess that's just personal taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
I'm kind of excited for the remake, because I think it'll be fun to run around and cut people with a big ass sword.
I can get liking other PS1 FF systems more than VII's, but the differences between them are far too fine for one to be considered trash and the others to be considered good.
FFVII has a good story. Not perfect but certainly better than pretty much every other FF except for maybe IX.
On paper, maybe. But the devil is in the details and frankly, Junction and IX's system just felt infinitely more fun to play around withQuote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic