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What do you think we're going to get for FFXVI? When do you think they'll announce it? When do you think it'll be released? What kind of setting? What kind of characters? Open world or linear? Throw your predictions down in this thread. I'll make another for what you want.
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They'll probably announce it and we wont get it for another 10 years
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I imagine they won't bother announcing it until we get closer to the VII Remake release. As it stands, nothing is going to really capture player's attentions until that "elephant in the room" is released. Even then, I imagine it will get a real announcement around the time Episode 2 is close to release and nothing short of a "yeah we're working on it" will be detailed until then.
What it's going to be like will be another story and will largely come down to who is directing it. I imagine it will be handed to Toriyama since his team isn't doing anything at the moment, and SE doesn't usually let the same director go twice in a row anymore, so people worried about XV's director working on it can breathe a sigh of relief. There is also the possibility they may tap a new person to work on the title, which I would prefer but that's a double-edged sword in itself. Sadly, I'm getting more and more pessimistic that any of the old guard (Ito, Kitase, Tokito, and Kawazu) will ever direct a main entry again. I feel SE is trying to move the creative side of things to a new generation.
Since the games have a bad tendency lately to whiplash back and forth from extremes in style, I imagine XVI will be a much more story driven and linear experience with a convoluted, but ultimately simplistic battle system tacked on in order to "win back the fans" who hated FFXV's open world Action-RPG shenanigans. That's assuming no new gaming trend doesn't take the world by storm in the intervening years that ends up capturing the style they want to go for.
- FFXII open world
- Female main lead that's like Lightning 2.0
- a battle system that's closer to Turn Based, but not quite Turn Based.
- medieval setting
- episode DLC for characters like FFXV
Or they go the Dark Souls/ Skyrim path.
XVI will be an MMO. Four years from now. For the PS Pentagram.
Doubt XVI will be an MMO, but I wouldn't put it past XVII.
Won't be out until 2023.
I'm just gonna go straight there: I don't think there will be a Final Fantasy XVI. Unless it's a replacement for XIV a long way down the line, but I think we've seen the last big budget single player Final Fantasy.
- For revenue, they have XIV.
- XV was successful enough that they think this is how you're supposed to make games now.
- XV was too much of a risky sunk cost to ever repeat. They're still making that game.
As bad as the XIII series was, it was at least an obvious misstep. Just 'don't do it like that again' is a pretty low risk way of fixing the issue. But XV? Lots of people liked XV, but lots of people hated its guts as well. It wouldn't have taken much to tip the balance unfavorably, and then it would have been a catastrophe. I don't see them taking such a high stakes gamble again.
FFXVI could be online ? FFXV is still being milked and it looks like they won't stop till about 2020- 2021. Then the remake of FFVII is coming out and it looks like it won't be completed till at least 2030. By that time FFXIV would be outdated and Square might need a "backup " just in case the FFVII remake flops bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Square might hope that we will concentrate on FFXV, the remake and KH 3 this decade instead of continuing the FF Saga. Which would suck.
Japan loves Final Fantasy XIII though. They even have commercials with Light and Snow selling cars over there. In Japan FFXIII was a big success. FFXIII was a misstep in Western eyes, but in Japan ? Not even.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
FFXVI, announced at E3 2019 for the PlayStation 5. Released in 2027 for the PlayStation 6.
On a serious note, I have to kinda say, I really don't feel that bothered about the prospect of a mainline numbered installment any more. I don't think the franchise is ever going to meet my expectations or desires again, and SE currently seem bent on pursuing the "games as a service" model and pumping out mobile title after mobile title. I guess it's just not really my jam.
I'll probably be the first one aboard the hype train once it does get announced, but eeeh, for now, I no longer feel like I "need" a next installment in my life.
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Originally Posted by Freya
Well there are two things about that. First - I'm not convinced Japan really loves XIII all that much at all. I can absolutely believe that they like it more than the west, and that Square Enix could delude themselves into thinking it was truly beloved by the Japanese, but I don't think it was anything like as popular over there as some have claimed. Plus is "big success" = "selling fewer copies than X-2," I think the bar is probably a bit low. Fair enough more people had a PS2 in 2003 than a PS3 in 2009, but still.Quote:
Originally Posted by maybee
Secondly - even if it was a Japanese darling, that's not good enough. This is an international franchise that needs international success. When your North American and European markets are telling you your game is garbage (especially after the two sequels...) it becomes very clear that you can't go down that road again.
Has there been any main FF that was anything other than a commercial success? FFXV may have a detractors but it was considered to be a return to form by a large amount of people. You don't just abandon the series that puts you on the map, and if Square Enix don't have Final Fantasy, with all due respect to their other franchises, they're going to suffer massively, whether you feel that is justified or not. I don't think SE will decide to just stop doing the thing that causes their shares to go up, especially after FFXV got the best critic / user ratings since... hmm. Let's put this into perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Year - Game - Critic Rating - User Rating (courtesy of Metacritic)
2018 - FFXII:ZA - 86 - 7.7 (PS4)
2018 - FFXIV:SB - 87 - 7.1 (PC)
2016 - FFXV - 81 - 7.5 (PS4)
2016 - WoFF - 77 - 8.1 (PS4)
2015 - Type-0 - 72 - 6.5 (PS4)
2015 - FFXIV:HW - 86 - 7.8 (PC)
2014 - LR:FFXIII - 66 - 6.0
2013 - FFXIV:ARR - 83 - 6.8 (PC)
2012 - FFXIII-2 - 79 - 6.6
2010 - FFXIV - 49 - 3.8 (PC)
2010 - FFXIII - 83 - 7.2 (PS3)
2006 - FFXII - 92 - 7.6
2001 - FFX - 92 - 8.8
2000 - FFIX - 94 - 8.9
1999 - FFVIII - 90 - 8.6
1997 - FFVII - 92 - 9.2
FFXIV in small because I'm not really paying attention to MMOs in this list, but thrown in to show signs of improvements over time in the overall history of SE FF releases.
Also bolded the 'dark days' games (from my personal perspective).
I look at user scores. So basically their latest three single player releases are the highest ratings they've had since FFXII, and FFXV is very close to FFXII in user reception. It doesn't match the golden age where VII-X kicked in, but those scores aren't reasonable expectations in a modern game - only a few per year get that kind of scoring these days. 8s and 9s are just that rare in all genres, let along RPGs. Overall I think SE have no reason to stop now - they are on the up, not the down, when it comes to FF sales and critic/user reception.
And let's face it, critic reception always gets judged by the last game in the series and how the users reacted to it (note: this is why FFXIII got a higher score than FFXV, imho). So I'd say FFXV did pretty damned well considering on that front!
There's a lot of cash left in this franchise and SE would be stupid to stop now when they are returning to form and favour with the majority of players. FFXVI is all but guaranteed.
Final Fantasy Versus XIII :p I know on face value that sounds somewhat flippant, but remember that they started again from scratch with the same concept to make XV. They lost a hell of a lot of money in developing VXIII (the original) and had no end product. If anything is going to sour them on single player FFs, as opposed to their presently successful online and mobile titles, that'd be it. You could certainly put that down to the logistics of development rather than critical or commercial reception though, which I get was your point. I do think it's telling that VIIR is going to be episodic and if the VXIII debacle hadn't happened, I bet it wouldn't be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoBHas there been any main FF that was anything other than a commercial success?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
That's largely my point. XV being relatively successful is great in the short term as they get to make at least some of their money back from the mess that was Versus XIII development, but it's clearly a game where money was more or less no object. They built a whole new engine for it. They gave it to a new team and rebuilt it from scratch. They made a movie, an anime spin off, mobile game spin-offs and did a deal with Audi to make an FFXV R8. I haven't seen this many eggs in a single basket since The Spirits Within.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
And it was fairly well received.
If you're a Square Enix executive right now, I would expect the following two thoughts to go through your head in order:
1) Thank god we were able to rescue something from that dumpster fire.
2) ...how the hell are we going to top that??
XV is the one that crossed the line from being a big budget game to being an unsustainably big budget game. I don't think SE will be confident that they can fund a sequel with comparable levels of spectacle, and I don't think they will have the balls to develop a sequel without it. That's why I expect nothing but spin-offs, ports and online games for the forseeable future. Maybe if FFVIIR and KH3 absolutely knock it out the park, I'll change my tune. But if anything I expect VIIR to fail to both fail meet SE's expectations and sour another chunk of the fanbase, and that'll be the nail in the coffin for any hope of XVI.
VIIR will be a success for Square-Enix. I find it laughable to believe otherwise, cause despite all the warning signs (episodic content, more action rpg based combat, adding/changing the plot) it's still the most hotly anticipated game coming out of the studio with KH3 close behind with it's own series of terrible baggage in tow. So I don't think VIIR is going to be a disappointment for the company. The fans? Probably, but I'm sure it will be like the Compilation all over where fans will like it, but still say it fails to live up to the original. Of anything, I'm worried its success will allow SE to pick up more bad habits.
I also don't think SE lost as much with vXIII as people think it did. I've read fan comments that lead me to believe that some people think vXIII was 60-70% completed before that "evil Tabata came in and threw away Nomura's vision" but frankly all the news sources and interviews I've read has led me to believe the game never left pre-production, and was likely closer to only having 10-20% even ready by the time Tabata took over. Even the gameplay trailers shown are obviously heavily scripted concept videos (like the infamous one for XIII's combat in the original trailer) and was nowhere near polished. Yes, we're aware they changed some major elements and dropped some assets used for these proof of concept trailers but you would be hard pressed to find a big budget game that doesn't have wasted and unused assets for it and it hardly hurt them either.
It was middling for fans, but that's been a common issue for the franchise since FFVIII, and as long as the game gets good scores and sells copies, SE has no reason to believe a game is a failure. Not helped by which that SE is more concerned with making new fans than keeping old ones, so XIII and XV pissing off us oldbies is the least of their concerns.
There's a key difference between "will be a success for Square-Enix" and "meeting Square Enix's expectations". It will make them a lot of money, but I think they will expect it to make ALL the money. And when it inevitably only does 5 million instead of the 12 million or something stupid they expect, it'll be deemed a failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
And I'm sure Episode 1 will rake it in for them. But that's it, and after the reception of Ep 1 doesn't reach the insane heights they require of it, they'll realise the economics of the whole endeavor aren't viable and if we're lucky we'll get episodes of diminishing quality until the full thing is complete. More likely I think they'll do 2 or 3 episodes and then can it before completion.Quote:
cause despite all the warning signs (episodic content, more action rpg based combat, adding/changing the plot) it's still the most hotly anticipated game coming out of the studio with KH3 close behind
See and I honestly feel the game will reach their expectations. Largely cause I have no faith in the idea that it will be so awful the fans won't come in droves for it. I wouldn't be surprised if half of the people listed as members of this forum don't already have it pre-ordered. The Compilation was awful, and still did wonders and if Crisis Core can be hailed as a fantastic game despite the myriad of faults and problems that even die-hard VII fans will openly admit, then I highly doubt anything we know about VIIR is going to deter these people from picking up every installment, even if they hate the first episode and every episode afterwards.
Fans are not good consumers, and while they will openly bitch and moan about the problems, they'll still buy it. I didn't like FFX, but I still bought the sequel when it came out. Regretted it, but it doesn't change the fact that my fanaticism blinded me. Didn't make the same mistake with XIII's sequels, but even though the original XIII's reviews and trailers already had me on the fence about the game, I still bought it and I'll always regret that decision. If someone as opinionated and cynical as myself can still muster enough fan love to still give the FF series a chance despite bemoaning their constant failure to live up to their glory days, then I'm pretty confident the fans will come in droves for the Remake of something beloved of their childhood, and that will likely help SE make their numbers, no matter how insanely unrealistic they are.
Fans are dumb, and nostalgia is the strongest drug on the market. SE knows this and that's why I don't think they need to worry too much about VIIR. Of anything, I'm more worried it will do so well, that they'll intentionally drag it out more.
No matter what happens, the first thing that will go through the people who invest into SE's shares is this:Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxThat's largely my point. XV being relatively successful is great in the short term as they get to make at least some of their money back from the mess that was Versus XIII development, but it's clearly a game where money was more or less no object. They built a whole new engine for it. They gave it to a new team and rebuilt it from scratch. They made a movie, an anime spin off, mobile game spin-offs and did a deal with Audi to make an FFXV R8. I haven't seen this many eggs in a single basket since The Spirits Within.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
And it was fairly well received.
If you're a Square Enix executive right now, I would expect the following two thoughts to go through your head in order:
1) Thank god we were able to rescue something from that dumpster fire.
2) ...how the hell are we going to top that??
XV is the one that crossed the line from being a big budget game to being an unsustainably big budget game. I don't think SE will be confident that they can fund a sequel with comparable levels of spectacle, and I don't think they will have the balls to develop a sequel without it. That's why I expect nothing but spin-offs, ports and online games for the forseeable future. Maybe if FFVIIR and KH3 absolutely knock it out the park, I'll change my tune. But if anything I expect VIIR to fail to both fail meet SE's expectations and sour another chunk of the fanbase, and that'll be the nail in the coffin for any hope of XVI.
1) Is there an FFXVI being produced?
2) Yes? Here, have my money. No? Sorry, I'm selling my shares.
SE lives and dies on Final Fantasy alone as far s I'm concerned. I don't know of anything out there that impacts their shares as much as FF does.
The first thing that I would have in mind as an exec instead of an investor?
1) We need another FF if we're to keep this company alive outside of FFXIV.
2) We need to improve our efficiency.
FFXVI might not top FFXV, but given the belief of the many in the world that it's not the greatest game of all time, let alone the greatest FF of all time, it's not exactly a stretch that they would believe they can top FFXV. They're back in the good books with what fans want, they know the next FF will sell enough to make a profit.
Investors will say they want an FF. They pay the wages of the execs. Execs will want an FF because of this. It's up to them to figure out how to pay their wages by creating an FF that will sell. If they can't do it, the execs will probably sooner get fired than FFXVI not be developed and released.
Now, I do agree with you for the *first* installment. And if they were just gonna release it all at once, no problem. Because I absolutely agree that people will buy something because they hope it's great even if all evidence is to the contrary. I was exactly like this with FFXV - I could see all the warning signs long before release day, but I was so desperate for it to finally be out and be good that I squashed those doubts and pre-ordered it.I have not, however, bought any of the DLC. Nor will I be rushing to get a sequel if that ever happens. And this is where I think FFVIIR will fail due to its episodic nature. Will people come in droves for Episode 1? Absolutely. I mean, I still don't think it'll be as many as SE would like as too many will want to wait until it's complete, but it's reasonable to assume a high-enough uptake of Episode 1, sure. But if they're let down by that - and this is a very real possibility - then they won't necessarily buy the following episodes. Over 5 million people flocked to FFXIII despite all the warning signs with that one - about half of those stuck around for XIII-2, and half of *those* for Lightning returns.Depending on the price point, size of the episode and the level of disappointment FFVIIR is (assuming it is one at all for the sake of argument), I could see the drop off being just as bad or even worse than that. It wouldn't be the first time in recent history that an episodic game didn't get all it's chapters finished and killed off the series...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
The underlying difference here, and largely the wild card factor is the fact that unlike FFXIII, which was a new property, VIIR is a remake of an incredibly popular and fan favorite entry in the series, so I don't feel the XIII Trilogy model is going to necessarily be the model to base how the VIIR content will work. I honestly think the Compilation will largely be a better model for determining it's success and as stated before, despite a lot of problems fans had with that nonsense, it did exceptionally well considering. I'm sure there will be a drop off after the first episode since we have to factor in the crowd who only knows of VII through it's reputation as opposed to growing up with it, those people might jump ship if it doesn't work out, but it's just as likely they may stay on cause it's not like they would be comparing it to the original for that matter either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
That's kind of where I'm seeing this. As long as VIIR is decent enough to hold you attention, regardless of how fun or respectful it is to the source material, I find it hard to believe the whole thing won't be a success for SE in the long run. Even if fans hold out of the "complete" version, that simply means that SE knows they'll get a huge pay-off down the line from this since they can effectively sell the game twice now. If they were banking on any other entry, I could see this model being really risky for them, but again, we're dealing with an iconic property here. So I feel this is going to work more in SE's favor than some people would like.
I haven't touched the DLC for XV either, but even though I had a more favorable opinion of the entry, I also don't see it really changing my standing with the game, which is the risk of such a model since first impressions are everything.
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^ Here's hoping. Agni's Philosophy looked too good to be just a tech demo.
A female protagonist would certainly make sense after the road trip bro-fest of XV.Quote:
Originally Posted by fat_moogle
Me too! If possible, SAKAGUCHI san and UEMATSU san too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
I also hope FF will return once again to its roots.
Didn't even know about this. And it was just amazing. I seriously hope it becomes a proper game.Quote:
Originally Posted by fat_moogle
Yeah, it would make sense. FFVI, X-2 and XIII are the only FF games with female protagonists so XVI would be perfect way to get women back to the forefront.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. CarnelianA female protagonist would certainly make sense after the road trip bro-fest of XV.Quote:
Originally Posted by fat_moogle
It was, wasn't it? I'm hopeful that it will become a thing. Imagine if they've been working on it since the tech demo was released! I doubt it, but still. It would be nice to see FFXVI release in between the FFVII Remake games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yubel-LoverDidn't even know about this. And it was just amazing. I seriously hope it becomes a proper game.Quote:
Originally Posted by fat_moogle
Yeah, it definitely was! The more I watch it the more I like it! :nod:
I think Squeenix didn't really have plans for this to become a real game, but seeing the incredibly positive response it received they're probably going to use it somehow. It'd be perfect as FFXVI imo, I just don't think they'll start working on it anytime soon. Maybe After KHIII is done we might see something.