No Espers

I'm playing through FF6 again and this time I have decided not to use any Espers, in hope that the game will provide a much bigger challenge. I know that Celes and Terra can still learn magic, but does anybody know of a website that tells what level they naturally learn certain spells at? Thanks.

.........not using espers is a "challenge"? o_O

ha ha ha.....so far it isn't. But it should be more challenging than when you have 8 people with Ultima.

No, you'd think so... but no.

Ah, at least the bosses will last a little longer, without the Quick+Ultima combo

When killing those harder bosses, you only use certain skills anyway (like Bum Rush). I've never had to "really" rely upon magic at any point in the game, except for Fanatics Tower of course.

Even then all you need to do is equip a character with an Offering and super powerful weapon (like the Atma Weapon for instance) and give them an item that automatically gives them the Rage ability. The Fanatics Tower becomes not only a walk in the park after that, but a great place to level too.

Cool, never thought of that. Guess I'll try it out in my next game. :)

When I get home from work I'll post the information on what spells Terra and Celes learn. The rom editors reveal this information. If you're interested in a more challenging FF6, check out my sig. It'll be at least 2 more weeks before it's done though, because I'm actually playing through the game. This is so that I can fine tune every boss, and find other things that need fixing.

-Terra-
Level 01: Cure
Level 03: Fire
Level 06: Antdot
Level 12: Drain
Level 18: Life
Level 22: Fire 2
Level 26: Warp
Level 33: Cure 2
Level 37: Dispel
Level 43: Fire 3
Level 49: Life 2
Level 57: Pearl
Level 68: Break
Level 75: Quartr
Level 86: Merton
Level 99: Ultima

-Celes-
Level 01: Ice
Level 04: Cure
Level 08: Antdot
Level 13: Imp
Level 18: Scan
Level 22: Safe
Level 26: Ice 2
Level 32: Haste
Level 40: Bserk
Level 32: Muddle
Level 42: Ice 3
Level 48: Vanish
Level 52: Haste2
Level 72: Pearl
Level 81: Flare
Level 98: Meteor

Well I've never gone through the game without using magic. I normally get everyone to learn every spell, but whatever. One thing I've never done is use the Offering/Genji Glove combo. The game is easy enough as it is, using that combo just makes it stupid, imo. Maybe on the game I just recently started, I won't use any magic besides Terra/Celes. Although going through the game with Cure2 being your strongest cure magic will suck. :grumble:

Oh, I agree with you on using magic. I definietly take the time to learn them and use them, but not using them doesn't make the game any more difficult. And did Six have a Cure 4, or was 3 the highest? I can't remember for the life of me.... o_o;;

Cure 3 was the highest, I believe. I know Phoenix teaches it, and I think.. Saphrim (sp)? I'm not sure. One of those female epsers.

FF6 had pretty much the same magic system as the future FF games. But instead of Fire, Fira and Firaga they just used Fire, Fire2 and Fire3. And so on~

I haaaated when they started calling them Fira, Blizzra, Firaga and all that crap. Damn lame-ass names.. >_< Thankfully they started calling them that with Eight, so Seven and Tactics escaped it.

aren't fira firaga etc. the actual translations?

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Originally posted by Cire Avlisad
aren't fira firaga etc. the actual translations?

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Yep.

Yeah, they are. Still doesn't change the fact that they suck.

You're probablly alone in thinking of that. Can you imagine someone shouting out "Fire 3!" in a battle? Now THAT sounds stupid.

Kenshin IV is not alone. I agree 100%. You think yelling "Firaga!" is any better than yelling "Fire 3!"? I mean damn, at least the latter is english. I'd rather yell Fire 3 any day.

I think shouting "Fire" anything sounds a little rediculous in battle. :p

Would you rather they say something like "From the depths of Hell I burn you with the flames of LUCIFER!"

Or for Fire 3: "From the depths of Hell I burn you with the flames of LUCIFER!....times THREE!"

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Originally posted by m4tt
Would you rather they say something like "From the depths of Hell I burn you with the flames of LUCIFER!"

Or for Fire 3: "From the depths of Hell I burn you with the flames of LUCIFER!....times THREE!"

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I'd say, "You're toast...literally!" :p

try a no esper:no strong sword challenge

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Originally posted by Kenshin IV
Yeah, they are. Still doesn't change the fact that they suck.

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agreed 100% with you there little fella ! I,too,like them better when they were named Iace,Fire,Bolt(Lighthing),1,2,3 then those stupid ''araga'' names.

I like the "aga" names because they're more accurate.

That's off-topic, though. So is this, but it's amusing: I was able to kill Kefka using Imp Halberds. Equipped on non-Imps. It was a pushover.

Good luck with the no Espers game. I don't think it should be particularly HARD, cause FFVI in general is easy, but ya know.

Imagine FF2 using the "ara" and "aga"

Fire 16 = firaraggaladianagraga

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Originally posted by Miles_the_11
Imagine FF2 using the "ara" and "aga"

Fire 16 = firaraggaladianagraga

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Your talking about the japaness ff2 that never made it here in america right ? But why are you sayin this is there so many fire-spells in ff2(never played the game,myself,so can't say) ?

Yes, they are talking about FFII. Everyone at these boards knows about the three Final Fantasies on Famcom. And FFI and FFII were just re-rereleased for the PSX.

In FFII your spells earn levels to become more powerful, so rather than having Fire1-3 you have Fire1-16.

Holy crapy trout ! Fire,Ice&Bolt lvl-16 must be powerful as hell ! Yes,I knew about FForigins(the re-release of ff1&ff2 both combined and adjusted/improved for the PSX).