This got me really curious the other day, I mean, he does have jump limit breaks, and uses a spear, just he's not the traditional dragoon knight in cool looking armour..ect..
What do you guys think?
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This got me really curious the other day, I mean, he does have jump limit breaks, and uses a spear, just he's not the traditional dragoon knight in cool looking armour..ect..
What do you guys think?
I think he's just a middle age pilot with the coolest line in the game.
Well put Pete.
If Jump isn't in the ability menu, he ain't no Dragoon, I says.
Umm...No?Quote:
Originally posted by Al Bhed³
If Jump isn't in the ability menu, he ain't no Dragoon, I says.
By that logic, Richard(FF2) isn't a Dragoon, which he obviously is.
Oh yea...my bad. I'm gonna go somewhere else now since I've made a fool outta myself. :D
How could he not be a Dragon Knight? Let's look at the facts:
- last name: Highwind - just like Richard Highwind, Cain Highwind, and King Alexander Highwind Tycoon - all Dragon Knights
- wields various pole-arms, the weapon of choice of Dragon Knights (one of said pole-arms is called the Dragoon Lance)
- Three of his limit breaks (Boost Jump, Hyper Jump, and Dragon Dive) all involve incredible acrobatic feats, just like Dragon Knights
- Two of his limit breaks (Dragon and Dragon Dive) have to do with dragons
- His Dragon limit break abosrbs HP and MP from a taret, just like the Dragon Knights' ability !Lance in FFV
Personally, I don't think Cid is a dragoon, because frankly, I don't think there are any job classes in FFVII. I suppose if you based all your materia around a certain job it could be possible, but I don't really think many people do that, instead choosing to have a balance of summons, magic and mixed commands.
If Cid had his limit break abilities readily avaliable as a menu choice rather than only occasionally, then yeah, I think he'd be a dragoon. However, I think Square only put those dragoon-similar moves in as they couldn't think of any other skills for a spearman, and also maybe as a nod to previous games, which I think was the case in the name "Highwind".
Well, he has the spear but I don't consider him as a Dragoon...
Im just going by what you have posted for the critera of a Dragoon(Dragon??) Knight.I havent played the other FF with them in it(save for 9).
I think Cid is a Dragon Knight,but(always a catch,yes?) from what I have heard,the earlyer final fantasys were all midevil style.Now,Knights are from the midevil ages,piolets arnt.And a knight wouldnt have fit very well in FF VII.I think he may be a dragon knight,but they didnt lable him that or hint twords that because of the day and age the game took place.
Cid is not a dragoon Knight because they don't exist in FFVIIs game timeline. (tecnically)
However, he has all the aspects of a Dragoon, so I think he is:
*Drumroll*
What a dragoon knight would be if he existed today.
Wasn't that worth it
Hmm...I think you got it right there, he was obviously based off a dragoon, so really just because his personality isn't like the traditional dragoon(nor armour..ect..) doesn't mean he isn't oneQuote:
Originally posted by DocFrance
How could he not be a Dragon Knight? Let's look at the facts:
- last name: Highwind - just like Richard Highwind, Cain Highwind, and King Alexander Highwind Tycoon - all Dragon Knights
- wields various pole-arms, the weapon of choice of Dragon Knights (one of said pole-arms is called the Dragoon Lance)
- Three of his limit breaks (Boost Jump, Hyper Jump, and Dragon Dive) all involve incredible acrobatic feats, just like Dragon Knights
- Two of his limit breaks (Dragon and Dragon Dive) have to do with dragons
- His Dragon limit break abosrbs HP and MP from a target, just like the Dragon Knights' ability !Lance in FFV
And the ability '!Lance' is modernly refered to as Lancet(which you probably already know, but for my own self-satisfaction I shall add)
All characters classes in FFVII are a little questionable, since you can customize them however you like. But the overlying facts are that Cid is indirectly a Dragoon. Thats his class base. The same as Vincent is, in a way, a beserker, and Yuffie is a ninja. They are part of these classes, but not as obviously as, say, FFIV(with people like Kain and Edge)
No you'd base a character's class of their weapons, and limitsQuote:
Originally posted by katana
All characters classes in FFVII are a little questionable, since you can customize them however you like. But the overlying facts are that Cid is indirectly a Dragoon. Thats his class base. The same as Vincent is, in a way, a beserker, and Yuffie is a ninja. They are part of these classes, but not as obviously as, say, FFIV(with people like Kain and Edge)
Vincent- Berserker
Yuffie- Ninja
Aries- White mage
Cloud- Knight
Tifa- Monk/Kareteka
Cid- Dragoon
Cait Sith- Whatever Setzer's job was/ a sort of lady luck from FFX2
Im just not too sure of Baret
I thought berserkers used axes.......
I personally feel that Cid is a watered down dragon knight (dragoon isn't technically correct since it means heavily armored knight). He can't really do the jump move properly, since it doesn't take him out of battle for one turn, and he can only use it occasionally.
As far as Cait Sith's job, yes, it is Setzer's job, which it actually said next to his name in the Japanese version (no idea why they took that out of the American); Gambler. The only thing that really makes him break from a true gambler is that he uses a megaphone for a weapon. Setzer used cards (Ricky Jay, you STILL da man!) and darts.
Dragoon would be the cloest category for Cid, I suppose. However, he clearly isnt a dragoon in the typical sense, because he hasnt been trained as such. Not every man who uses a sword is a knight, he hasnt been knighted.
But, by job class standards, dragoon fits.
Basically, the job classes in FFIV represent also, the different ways of fighting. In a similar way, you could class the FFIX people (Freya the dragoon in this case) or even FFX (Yuna as surprise surprise a summoner). If you looked at the classses, I dare say you found some class you decided you would like to be if you were like, in magical and medievil times.
Just my two cents (I'm english really so just my two pennies)
I agree with this.Quote:
Originally posted by Caltrap
However, he has all the aspects of a Dragoon, so I think he is:
*Drumroll*
What a dragoon knight would be if he existed today.
He is a dragoon just like Cloud is a knight,Aeris is a white mage and Tifa a monk
The way I see it, It's just square saying "Hey look we keep all our traditions, not just biggs, wedge and cid! But uhhh how can we make a Dragoon in this time setting.... I know! we'll make some one just like a Dragoon, but we'll make him more like the average asshole!" (i do like cid but he is a bit of an @$$ to be around) so, yes he is a dragoon but no he isn't.... I hate paradoxes.
Cloud - Warrior / Knight
Barret - Gunner
Tifa - Monk
Aeris - White Mage
Yuffie - Thief
Red XIII - ?
Vincent - ?
Cid - Dragoon
Cait Sith - shouldn't exist
i've been saying for years that based on their "Limit Breaks" and inherent skills i believe they keep the traditional character classes, and by this i believe, yes, Cid is a dragoon...
I'd say for Nanaki probably red mage (he's plenty good with magic to be a red)
as for vincent then really he's like a gunner but he's obviously not (he uses a gun but the attack style don't fit) maybe a blue mage - time and status magic? similar to transform
I think Vincent should be sniper, what with his cold attitude and stuff...
How do we know that Dragoons haven't existed in the FFVII world? Perhaps they have all been eradicated, and Cid is, unknowingly, their last heir?Quote:
Originally posted by Caltrap
Cid is not a dragoon Knight because they don't exist in FFVIIs game timeline. (tecnically)
Exactly. I'd consider him a Dragon Knight though, not Dragoon, since Dragoon was a mistranslation, but bleh :pQuote:
Originally posted by DocFrance
How could he not be a Dragon Knight? Let's look at the facts:
- last name: Highwind - just like Richard Highwind, Cain Highwind, and King Alexander Highwind Tycoon - all Dragon Knights
- wields various pole-arms, the weapon of choice of Dragon Knights (one of said pole-arms is called the Dragoon Lance)
- Three of his limit breaks (Boost Jump, Hyper Jump, and Dragon Dive) all involve incredible acrobatic feats, just like Dragon Knights
- Two of his limit breaks (Dragon and Dragon Dive) have to do with dragons
- His Dragon limit break abosrbs HP and MP from a taret, just like the Dragon Knights' ability !Lance in FFV
Yeah, I'm guessing that they only used "dragoon" because of space constraints. While "dragon knight" might only take up 2 or 3 character spaces in Japanese (depending on how much of it is kanji) it's too long in english to use as a character class. Although dragon knight is kind of a weird class name outside of FF2, considering Richard/Gareth never had a jump ability, but he talked to dragons. Dragon knights after that never had any sort of affinity for dragons, but they DID have a nifty jump ability. I think the name they had in tactics (lancer) is more appropriate.
Yeah, dragoon was used because of space constraints, just like Golbeza, Cayenne and Stragos were shortened to Golbez, Cyan and Strago. Bad luck really.
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Originally posted by Fredde
How do we know that Dragoons haven't existed in the FFVII world? Perhaps they have all been eradicated, and Cid is, unknowingly, their last heir?
...dont even start that type of talk,we're gana get into a little whos who whats what war.Fanfics are for that type of talk.:p there are no dragoon knight TITLES, he may very well one of that kind, but there is no such TITLE for them in this fantasy,future game.
I don't consider Cid as a Dragoon/Dragon Knight/Lancer/Whatever. It's just one guy that says bad things and use a spear. He would be a shame to the Dragon Knights.
...as opposed to Cain Highwind, who betrayed his friends on several occasions, and was an overall bastard?
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Originally posted by Dark Dragon Knight
I don't consider Cid as a Dragoon/Dragon Knight/Lancer/Whatever. It's just one guy that says bad things and use a spear. He would be a shame to the Dragon Knights.
I think he would be ashamed to BE a Dragon knight...