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I need someone to give me a more detailed explanation of the differences between these two, because I only just found out that apparently they are indeed different. Although I think I've picked up on the differences, it's still pretty vague. The only real difference I've come up with so far is that tomato sauce is thicker. While that does make it easy to tell them apart, I still don't really get what the differences are. D=
What the hell is ketchup? :eep:
Um. Since I don't really know what ketchup is. I can't say much on this topic.
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Ketchup is used for potatoes a lot. I attached a very close-up picture of ketchup for you, Al Bhed³. =D
I guess the difference is the consistency and I think tomato sauce has less sugar, because it's kinda tangy.
What?! How can you have NOT heard of it? :pQuote:
Originally posted by Al Bhed³
What the hell is ketchup? :eep:
I think tomato sauce is more thick, and it has actual pieces of tomato in it. Can't think of anything more, but I think tomato sauce is much better.
I'm scared of ketchup now. I though it was colored naturaly but it turns out they can make it all these different colours as well :eek: .
Well, now I am aware. I'm learn-ding.Quote:
Originally posted by Mikztsu
What?! How can you have NOT heard of it? :p
And neither of them actually tastes like tomatos.
hmm ingrediants of heinz tomato ketchup
Tomatoes (Well at least that checks out)
Spirit vinegar (What th-)
Glucose-fructose syrup (no suprise there)
Sugar (Im pretty sure that glucose and fructose are sugars as well)
salt (meh)
spice and herb extracts (huh?)
spice (buh?)
garlic powder (fuh?)
I dont know for sure but I think tomato sauce is alot simpler.
Ketchup is disgusting and sauce is on pizza, case closed.
The question is: what the heck is tomato sauce????
That red saucy thing they put first on pizza. *_*Quote:
Originally posted by Moo Moo the Ner Cow
The question is: what the heck is tomato sauce????
I though that was tomato paste...
Sauce = ketchup, as far as I can tell.
I thought paste and souce are same thing.
Ketchup is just ketchup, and there's only that...other tomato thing! >:O
Well, we call it sose, as in tomaattisosetta. >:O Ketsuppi is the thing that comes from plastic bottles, sose comes from tincans or glass jars.
ket.chup
A condiment consisting of a thick, smooth-textured, spicy sauce usually made from tomatoes.
to.ma.to sôs
sauce made with a puree of tomatoes (or strained tomatoes) with savory vegetables and other seasonings; can be used on pasta
Ketchup Origins and Occam's Razor
by Nicholas Yee
Take this as an exercise in decision-making. When is a connection strong enough that you believe there to be one? The twist on the ketchup story forces us to take a strange explanation over a simpler one.
Ketchup is a word that clearly does not have origin in the English language because it has no intrinsic meaning. But it also doesn't sound French, Spanish or German either. Now, there is a possibility that the word was invented and was designed to not have any intrinsic connection with anything else. This is the null hypothesis.
One day, I had a ketchup epiphany. I suddenly realized that in Cantonese, a Chinese dialect that I grew up speaking, the word we use is "keh-tsap", and the two words translate into "tomato" and "sauce". Now given that ketchup means nothing in English and "keh-tsap" means tomato sauce in Cantonese and ketchup is really tomato sauce, this seems to be a strong case for this Cantonese Origin Hypothesis.
Tomato sauce, however, is not one of the many sauces used in Cantonese dishes. There is no indigenous sauce that even closely resembles ketchup. The closest is a watery tomato juice that is thickened with starch and spiced up. This sauce is never used as dipping though. It is mainly used almost like how gravy would be used.
This is not necessarily a problem though. It could be that whoever came up with the English word once overheard a Cantonese speaker refer to this tomato-based sauce as "keh-tsap" and used it because it sounded more interesting than "Tomato Sauce".
Now there is another hypothesis that is exactly the flip-side of the Cantonese Origin Hypothesis. When I first suggested the Cantonese Origin Hypothesis to a native English speaker who had learned to speak Mandarin, another Chinese dialect, she pointed out that many Chinese dialects borrow from English words. For example, toast is "do-sih" and lemon is "ling-mung" in Cantonese. The words have no intrinsic connection to either. And since ketchup is such a Western thing, it must be the case that Cantonese speakers borrowed the word and the semantic correspondence was a mere coincidence. This is the Borrowed Coincidence Hypothesis.
To see if other people had the same weird ideas I was having, I searched the net on the origins of the word ketchup. All the sources I found said basically the same thing which pinpoints the origin to China, but with a twist:
The most popular theory is that the word ketchup was derived from "koe-chiap" or "ke-tsiap" in the Amoy dialect of China, where it meant the brine of pickled fish or shellfish. Some people prefer the Malayan word "kechap" (spelled ketjap by the Dutch), which may have come from the Chinese in the first place. In any case, some time in the late seventeenth century, the name and perhaps some samples arrived in England where it appeared in print as "catchup" in 1690 and then as "ketchup" in 1711. These names stuck with the British, who quickly appropriated them for their own pickled condiments of anchovies or oysters.
So instead of supporting the previous Cantonese Origin Hypothesis, these sources posit instead an Ancient Chinese origin hypothesis. So not only is ketchup not a brand name, as most Americans think, but it started out not having any tomato sauce in it and halfway across the world. Why is it that everything seems to originate in China?
But if this hypothesis is true, it would mean that the original ketchups had no tomato sauce and that they eventually did. And then what happened was that Cantonese speakers then borrowed the word and it turned out, accidentally, to be the exact sounds for "tomato" and "sauce".
Yet since tomato sauce has always been called "keh-tsap" in the Cantonese dialect which has its roots in the Tang Dynasty (AD 618-907), this is actually a case of where two different languages somehow managed to come up with the same word for the same thing independently.
The fact that the original ketchups had no tomato sauce makes it impossible that the original words were taken from the Cantonese dialect in the 1690's. But it also means that the Cantonese dialect did not borrow from English because they've always called it that.
So are we stuck up a hypothesis of Absolute Coincidence? Historical evidence contends that it is the only valid hypothesis. But is there a simpler explanation we are missing?
Notes on Chinese:
The Cantonese word "keh" is a shortened form of the complete word "faan-keh" for tomato. So we can refer to tomato sauce as "faan-keh-tsap" or "keh-tsap". I think that the former refers more to the traditional kind of sauce and the latter to ketchup as Americans know it. At a restaurant in Hong Kong, if someone wanted ketchup they would have to use "keh-tsap" or the waiter might be confused.
In Mandarin, the shortened form is not often used and tomato sauce is referred to as "faan-tsie-je".
And the real difference between how the traditional tomato sauce/juice is used in Chinese cooking is that it is used in cooking, while ketchup is only used after cooking.
A thesis on ketchup. Thats....interesting.
Ketchup it yummy. Tomato sauce is yummy. Tomatos are nasty
Here's the deal
Tomato sauce is used when you cook.
Ketchup is used when you eat.
See, that's the problem. The tomato sauce you use with stuff like chips and whatnot over here and in NZ is far, far better than using ketchup. Ketchup is what you get with fries, but you would never use it on something like a sausage or fish'n'chips. So yeah.
EDIT: Haha, pr00t, I read that page last night while trying to figure it out, too. xDD Great minds find pages alike... or something.
Hm. Maybe there are THREE kinds of tomato based liquids.
Ketchup, the enemy of all things holy.
Tomato sauce, a kind of soup.
And mash-thingie, which you use in pizza.
Hm?
That would be tomato puree nait. I remember because we used to get it in squeazy tubes. Like toothpaste, but tomato-e, and not toothpaste. Although I think it is used in the process of making tomato sauce.
The mash thingie is like tomatoes and water and a short time in a blender, I think. Puree is more like the sauce.
I know of:
Tomato Sauce
Tomato Ketchup
Tomato Paste
Tomato Puree
Tomato Juice
Tomato Soup
Tomato puree is somewhere inbetween paste and juice. It's thick, but not pastey-thick. And yeah, puree is used in the making of tomato sauce, tomato paste, tomato juice and (if you've got a decent cook) tomato soup. Dunno about Ketchup. Tomato puree is basically the raw tomato juicyness.
I think, anyway. Mum taught me most of that stuff, since she used to be a chef and all. But she never used/made ketchup, obviously.
EDIT: I may have puree and paste the wrong way around. I forget. :( But everything else should be right.
Ketchup is a gooey tomato-based condiment. You put it raw on foods like hot dogs, hamburgers, french fries. It tastes nothing like tomatoes. It has all kinds of spices and flavors in it. It comes in bottles. You don't use it for cooking (usually). You can only eat it cold or room-temperature. You'd never heat it.
Tomato sauce is a liquid. It's formed so far as I know by taking the juice from tomatoes and dissolving it in water. It comes in cans or in jars (though if it's in a jar, it usually has spices and stuff already added). You use it for cooking.
Tomato paste is a semi-solid. It's formed by mashing tomatoes into pulp. It pretty much is just a gooified tomato in a can. You only use it for cooking. I don't know what it tastes like by itself, because that's gross.
Pasta sauce for example can be made by mixing tomato sauce, tomato paste, and spices. You end up with a sauce that tastes vaguely like tomatoes. If you use real, raw tomatoes, you end up with something with huge nasty chunks of tomato in it, which is sickening. Tomato sauce and paste have no chunks; they have a constant consistency.
So paste is sose and we don't have tomatoe sauce here in Finland. :o
We do, too. @_@'
We do NOT. >:O
Yes we do.
o_o'
No we don't.
Eff, what is the thing you get in tincans then? x(
http://www.omatmerkit.inex.fi/upload...li_400_g_w.jpg
That's tomatomurskaa, however you translate murska. Tomato smashing? xD
Tomatomash!
Ketchup has sugar added to it. Tomato Sauce is pretty much natural. Never put ketchup on pasta, please.
You guys sure know a lot about tomatoes. I hate tomatoes.
What are you, psycho?
Tomato sauce is nasty, and ketchup is okay. I like regular tomatos.
wtf maggie!
I eat pizza and I put ketchup on potatoes, but that's about it. I don't put sauce on my pasta and I don't put slices of tomato on my sandwiches. It tastes gross. >_>; I especially hate those little cherry tomatoes that everyone seems to love.
:(
Here's a nice recipe for pasta sauce:
Take some pasta sauce (Ragu, Prego, Porno) and dump it in a saucepan/frying pan/your lap
Squeeze some KETCHUP on it (haha Dr Unne I'm cooking with ketchup now what? hahaahhahahahhah)
Heat it up under low temp until it's either boiling or whatever
Sprinkle sugar
Yum.
Your recipe is clearly either fake or just disgusting. I do know of some things that you need to cook with ketchup in it, and they're all gross.
Well, that was interesting. I've always thought the two the same.
But, what's the difference between kethcup and catsup? (Mr.Burns never got it)
It's not fake. It's not disgusting either. Try it sometime if you ever make pasta.