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Whats your first-time-playing ending party? Although, I must confess, I havent beaten Sephiroth yet, I still play the game to the final boss every once in a while.
Mine was:
Cloud-With Ultima Weapon but no Omnislash ( :( )
Yuffie-With her best weapon and All Creation
Vincent- With his best weapon and Chaos (or whatever his final limit was called, I will have to look up that)
Cloud - Ultima Weapon, Slash x4
Vincent - Death Penalty, every summon except KotR (which I chose not to get yet)
Yuffie - Conformer, Just about every magic
What I did with my magic for my party was spreading the materia out for a balance of each members magic, summons, and abilities.
Cloud - Ultima Weapon, 4x Cut, Omnislash
Vincent - Death Penalty, Chaos
Yuffie - Conformer, Doom of the Living, which is much more useful than All Creation.
Cloud- Ultima Weapon, Omnislash
Red XIII- Best Hair Thing, Cosmo Memory (horrible limit break), KoTR
Vincent- Death Penalty, Chaos, Mime
Bizarro Seph died with one KoTR
Safer Seph died with KoTR and Mime
Seph died with Omnislash
GAME OVER
Cloud- Ultima Weapon, Ultima, 2x cut, finsihing touch/meteorain
Vincent- Comet, Contain, death penalty and chaos
Cid- Venus Gospel, Dragon Dive (better than highwind!) healing magic (regen, life 2, esuna etc)
All had various summons.
Cloud, Vincent, Cid. I can't remember the materia combo but they all had their best weapons. Those three are my standard party unless I want to morph, then I use Yuffie.
Cloud, Barret and Cid. I had trout all pretty much but I think the best things I had were ultima weapon, ultima, neo bahumat and Cid's final limit break.
Updated : 7/1/04
Cloud (level 99) Omnislash
Vincent (Level 92) Healer
Cid (level 98) Highwind
Vincent sucks, really; he's almost as bad as Cait Sith. I'm surprised at the amount of people that used him up till Sephiroth.
My party:
Cloud
Tifa
Cid
With Magic Plus materia on Cid(summoner), that party owns.
Vincet-Healer. I believe he had death penilty. NEVER used his limit break
Tifa-I believe she had God Hand...or not. The second best weapon for her in the game. She was my magical person. Summoner too. Occasionly she healed,but not often.
Cloud-Uhhh....He had Ultima weapon. He basicly just attacked. I think i had KOTR on him,and cure materia. That was it. Oh, and double slash, cover,and the comeback one...shoot,i cant remember its name.:P
Cloud
Cid
Red XIII
Good charcters (wrong again). With good levels and health, beat them in one turn.
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Originally Posted by Raistlin
Interesting, thats the same party that im playing the game with now. Im trying to beat sephiroth with them (again). Tifa is my best character right now, at least, limit-break wise, since she does over 9999 simply.
If I remember correctly, I think I had Cloud, Cid and Red XIII. Not that I really knew what I was doing, but I whupped Sephiroth, anyway.
zacks_clone: you mean "counter attack"
Pete: glad to see you have some sense. :)
counter attack.yes.thats it.thank you much.
Cloud-Ultima Weapon, lv 3 limit.
RedXIII-Best Hair Comb, lv4 limit.
Vincent-Death Penalty, lv4 limit
Yep, I agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
I used Cloud, Yuffie and Cid. I pretty much had that party for the entire game.
Cloud, Barret, and Cid. I know Cloud had KOTOR, Barret had Mime, and Cid had Regen+All (mastered), Cure 3+All (mastered), and Debarrier for when Safer Sephiroth casts Wall on himself.
All I remember is that it was Cloud, Tifa and Red XII. My favoured combo since I first played the game. They be kew.
Cloud, Tifa, Cid.
Cait Sith, Yuffie and Aeris.
Cloud/Barret/Cid. Or was it Tifa instead of Barret?
Oh no, the first time I ever beat it was Cloud/Barret/Red XIII. But my favorite party is Cloud/Tifa/Cid - their limits do the most.
*cough*Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayren
That's what I was thinking
I can't really remember... I think it was either Cloud, Cait Sith, and Tifa or Cloud, Cait Sith, and Red... and I can't remember what I had equpped on them either.
It was Cloud (I think he might've had his best weapon, but it's been awhile now since my mom accidentally deleted that game..*twitch* I do know he had his level 3 limit breaks only though), Vincent (Chaos and Death Penalty), and Yuffie (Conformer, All Creation) for me. Also can't quite remember what level they were at.
Cloud, Tifa and Barrett. (Didn't know about Yuffie or Vincent first time round)
I think they all had every limit except their ultimates.... Tifa might've been on an earlier one.
Did anyone bother with the other party (or parties if the optional characters are there)? I've never actually tried it despite playing through like 20 times. "Are you concerned about the other party members?" ".... No, I'm a heartless b'ard remember!"
i did the first time. Kept switching back and forth.it got me nowhere though
Vincent DOES NOT SUCK! If he did... then how was I able to defeat Sephy with him solo without materia and with his first weapon and armour? He has the best magic defense. Just always have sadness on him and place him in the backrow and he will be the super surviveor. Also, if Vincent kill enough and have Death penalty and has high level and stats his Hellmasker can became a real killer machine. He can do a 5-cut for 9999 damage each hit!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
My Party on first play was:
Cloud, Ragnarok, Meteorrain and no materia that a chocobo is reqiered to get.
Vincent, Something else than Death penalty, Hellmasker and no materia that a chocobo is reqiered to get.
Tifa, God hand, All but Final Heaven and no materia that a chocobo is reqiered to get.
First off: the facts. Vincent statistically sucks more than any other character. Here's why:
If you go psycho-level up and max out everyone's stats, they're all equal, right? Nope. They're all equal except two people: Vincent and Cait Sith. Why? Because they have crappy limits. Limit breaks is my defining point in picking party members, because everything else can be enhanced.
Now, you most likely won't go psycho level-up, in which case Vincent still sucks, because his limit break still sucks. And if you really don't want to level up much at all, Vincent sucks even more because Death Penalty sucks unless you're willing to put in the time.
Either way you go(psycho level-up or no level up), you can do much better than Vincent.
facts are facts, but Vincent's badass and u no it. he's just...cool to have, and his limit is different...
Vincent stands in backline and have sadness= He takes about 30% damage from all psychical attacks AND less damage from ALL attacks. His Death Gigas is godly in early game. He has very good magic defens and magic attack. While two of your partymembers slay with their limit, Vincent can stand back, heal (his magic is powerful) and survive (sadness+backrow+good magic defense= very hard to kill.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
never thought of it that way...good point
Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayren
oh and my first party.....lets see that was back in 1998....might not remember.....oh yeah it was:
Cloud- level 68 Ultima Weapon....uh...Omnislash
Barret- level 69 Missing Score and uh ungarmax
Cid- level 57 Venus Gospel and Dragon Dive
i wasnt that good back then, didnt really know that much about it, but now i am God
Cloud, Ultima Weapon, Omnislash
Cid, Venus Gospel, Highwind
Vincent, Death Penalty, Chaos
All my characters had the Master Magic materia and were around level 85.
He also has THE crappiest limit break in the game. It might be somewhat useful early on, but later his limits aren't worth it since he can't use materia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultima Shadow
Magic can be altered(magic plus materia and/or sources). Magic power's his sole benefit early-on(especially with healing), but later his lack of damage because of no good limit is just too much.
Fact: every other part of a character(defense, attack power, magic power, etc.) can be improved except one: limit breaks. Since Vincent has a sucky limit break, he's just not worth it. Especially since you can get the Magic Plus materia early on(very beginning of disc 2), and it's pretty easy to master.
As I said earlier, if you have killed enough enemies the Death Penalty will do 9999 dammage and the Hellmaskers splatter combo will do 9999X5= 50,000 dammage each round. I don't know if you can berserk him to make him only do splatter combo but either way Nigthmare is rarer. Also Vincents stats is boosted when he's transformed to Hellmasker and Chaos. The Beast will raise his HP by 1/3 or something and Death Gigas will DOUBLE his HP. If he's good in early game, then he don't sux. If a character is bad in early game but god in later, then I don't think he's much better than anyone who is god in early but bad in the later. Vincent is not GOD in early game but DOES NOT SUX in later either. And don't forget the free fullcure when he use a limit breakQuote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
Magic Plus Materia boosts MP not the magic stat. And you can get it first time in Cosmo Canyon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
Hmmmm... this is going off topic.
Cloud - Ultimate weapon - Finishing Touch
Barret - Missin' Score - Catastrophe
Yuffie - Conformer - Gauntlet
Don't ever use Tifa :eek:
Yep. But during that time, you can't use materia. Which really sucks in Vincent's your healer(which is apparently what most people use him for).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultima Shadow
But again, he can't use materia. Waste.Quote:
I don't know if you can berserk him to make him only do splatter combo but either way Nigthmare is rarer. Also Vincents stats is boosted when he's transformed to Hellmasker and Chaos. The Beast will raise his HP by 1/3 or something and Death Gigas will DOUBLE his HP. If he's good in early game, then he don't sux. If a character is bad in early game but god in later, then I don't think he's much better than anyone who is god in early but bad in the later. Vincent is not GOD in early game but DOES NOT SUX in later either. And don't forget the free fullcure when he use a limit break.
*buzzer* Wrong. I said Magic Plus, not MP Plus. And you can get it(only once) on the way to Icicle Village at the very start of Disc 2. Starting off, it boosts the Magic stat 10%(50% when mastered). This materia basically voids magic power as a qualifier for who you select to be in your party.Quote:
Magic Plus Materia boosts MP not the magic stat. And you can get it first time in Cosmo Canyon.
Bottom line: Vincent's alright in Disc 1, but blows later in the game. His limits aren't worth it since he can't use materia, and his magic ability doesn't matter since you can increase anyone's with the Magic Plus materia.
So? This is better than the original "discussion."Quote:
Hmmmm... this is going off topic.
Well, I will suport Vincent no matter what. :D
The Magic Plus must have been something I eiher have forgot or never got. But if it boost % then that means that the higer the orginal amount of Magic, the higher the boosted amount.
However, Why use materia when you simply do 50,000 dammage per combo. If you mean KotR then it's more powerfull than most limit breaks any way and that means that you only need to use it and no limits at all. As for the healing and suport stuff... if you use him for that then only use him for that because that's one of the things that he does the best (it's more important to survive than to do major limmitbreak dammage). Also if you'r to lazy to max out all the stats, then Vincent is the best magic man (you want to know a secret? Quadra Comet2 + high magic IS better than many of the limitbreaks).
Magic stat maxes out at 255. Once you equip a mastered Magic Plus to anyone, they're at that, if not damn close. Either way, once it gets that high, it hardly makes much of a difference.
Anyway, by "using materia" I mean healing. Most people that use Vincent talk about his vaunted magic skill, and use him as a healer. While he's under that limit, that means that your designated healer can't heal, which sucks. And if you take all worthwhile materia off of Vincent before a battle so that this won't harm yourself too much, not only will your other two characters seriously be overloaded(and probably have to unequip a few materia of their own), but Vincent will suck even more when he's not in a transformation.
cloud, cid, and vincent. i thought he was supposed to be hard, but knights of the round killed safer sephiroth in one hit.
Yea, if the characters is at lvl 99. Ok, Vincent is absolutly not the most powerfull character in the game. But he's not the most useless either (Cat site is). In the later game, have healing + suport materia AND that Quadra linked to Comet2 combo. When he don't need to heal, then cast Comet2 4 times (with 255magic stat it's uber powerfull). As long as the partys HP not reach over 5000-6000, Vincents Death Gigas will be usefull thanks to the doubled HP. And you CAN have any other character as healer when Vincents Hellmasker goes 50,000 splatter combo rush. In that chase you'll have an 50,000 dammage per combo rusher + an healer who can also use limmit break witout ruining everything. AND Vincents limmit breaks is not effected by the row so you can keep the Hellmasker in the back row and he will still do 9999 per hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
nik0tine, with KotR everything is easy.
I'm not saying Vincent sucks as much as Cait Sith. I'm just saying that he sucks more than everyone else(Tifa, Cid, Yuffie, Red XIII). I might list him above Barret and Aerith on the suck-o-meter, but definitely below the other four.
emerald weapon isnt...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultima Shadow
Good. Actually, the only reason I REALLY defend Vincent and always use him is because I like the character. I always use Cloud, Vincent and Aeris until disc2. Then I use Cloud, Vincent and Tifa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
But he's not hard either.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
Yeah he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
So, how about those ending parties? :rolleyes2
cloud,tifa,and barret.cloud had ultima weapon with hp plus on all the slots,counter attack,omnislash, and an aurora armlet.tifa had gods hand,final heaven,lightning,ice,restore,fire,and all mastered,fire armlet.barret had max ray,catastrophe,and neo bahumat.killed bizzaro and safer sephiroth in like 2 minutes each
I had Cloud, Red XIII and Cid. All Level 99. All with their ultimate Limit Breaks. All w/ Master Magic equipped, among other things. All unnecessary when it came to Safer Sephiroth. I killed that fool in 3 turns w/ Cloud's 4x-Cut. I didn't even bother casting magic. Point being: the final bosses suck ass, as does the music that plays while fighting them. (Some of the only bad music in FF7, I might add.)
Oh, and lay off Vincent. He's tight. Although I agree that his Limits are a pain in the ass, even Chaos.
One other thing. When fighting Sephiroth the final time (the one-on-one), you can choose not to use Omnislash. Sephiroth will attack and nearly kill you, and then Cloud will counter-attack for about 1100 damage and Sephiroth will die. It's just cooler to use Omnislash.
I'm not positive, but i know it was an all-male party. I have a basic-attack fetish and i lean towards people with uber-massive STR stats. It was.... Cloud, Red XIII, and Vincent. maybe Cid? I'm not sure, cuz i deleted my save file by accident RIGHT after I beat it the first time (And stared blankly at the screen too stunned to cry or speak for a good while)
dat just plane ole sux...btw, is something supposed to happen as the stars go by?
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony BoB
Cloud, Barret, Cid
all best weapons' Cloud had Omnislash, 4x, a Mime, and KotR, ; Barret had Catastrophe (haven't played in a while i think that's lvl 4), and Ultima set with quadra, and a Mime; and Cid of course had Highwind, along with Mime, Phoenix/Final Attack, and like a master summon or something.