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I suppose the debate is more about: what IS freedom of speech than anything else at this point.
Take care all.
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I suppose the debate is more about: what IS freedom of speech than anything else at this point.
Take care all.
Go Porn! Beat Ashcroft!
What are they thinking? They'd just have to shut down the internet altogether for that...
But seriously...I don't agree that porn should be 'blocked out' or 'illegal online', because if thats the case it should be illegal altogether, which would indeed be unconstitutional (if I have the freedom of expression defenition correct).
People need to monitor and raise their kids, not expect the world to do it for them...that may make me sound like a thoughtless bastard but its the truth.
Freedom of Speech?? whats that?
in all reality this is stupid. a little porn never killed a 6 year old. although i dont like pornography, it in no way should be censored.
"People need to monitor and raise their kids, not expect the world to do it for them...that may make me sound like a thoughtless bastard but its the truth."
you don't sound like a thoughtless bastard, and your right, it is the truth.
I agree porn shouldn't be blocked out. This argument is caused by the new culture of whiney over attentative mothers who can't be arsed to raise there kids anymore and want the world to do it for them. They should shut up stop arguing and start raising their kids properly.
Porn sites shouldn't exist!
Why aren't you happy with reality?
don't get me wrong I don't agree with porn as a whole. But I don't think making it illegal is going ot solve the problem. Hey maybe it's justa guy thing
i agree with divinity, porn sites shouldnt exist, BUT they DO exist and it would be wrong to stop someone from making them. they have that right, and nobody should be able to take that from them. thats just my take in it at least.
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If people see porn, they may commit crimes agains chastity, such as masturbation or having naught thoughts!!! And that is sin! NEXT THING IS RAPE!!!
IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING, USA WILL END UP BEING A COUNTRY WHERE PEOPLE RAPE EACH OTHER IN THE STREET AS A WAY OF GREETING!!! And God the almighty will send a destrcutive meteorite rain and slay you all, for you are all impure!!! (Only people who read Chick tracts may survive).
Do nudity painters go to jail too?
Wo wo wo you've gone way over the top here Nexus. Only the mentally unstable go round raping people and yes some of them claim that it was caused by pornography. But not every man who looks at some porno is then going to go out and rape a woman. Most men are mentally stable enough not to.
And I agree with nik0tine again. These sites shouldn't exist but they do and it is an infringment on the freedom of speech that you Americans love so much to just ban them all just because some people don't like them. If you don't want to look at them, don't look at them that's what I say.
Should porn be taken off the internet completely? No. Should there ways to prevent minors from accessing porn sites? Certainly.
Meet Shadow Nexus, the most sarcastic member here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud_99
there are measures to prevent minors from looking at porn it's called child restrictions. Most IP's come with Parental controls as standard, so again it's down to the parents to make sure they're active. My IP has parental controls as it stands I have general access but that's because it is my parents choice to trust me not to look at porn, and I don't. My little sister has parental controls active so that she can't access various sites. Other than that parents have to be more vigilant as to what their children are loking at.
Trusting every parent to be more vigilant is, sadly, like trusting a serial killer not to murder anyone. Why do you think convenience stores require ID in order to buy porno magazines?
porn stars shouldnt have to suffer because parents cant raise their kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocFrance
As others have said, there's a misconception that parents feel they are not responsible for raising their own children. That is indeed the very root of this problem. When parents actually take care of their children, perhaps by being more strict; asking questions and the like, then this sort of problem will not be making major headlines.
I'm not a fan of porn myself either, but unfortunately, unless we as a society decide to ban all forms of it, there's really no case to banning it from the internet.
Take care all.
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Originally Posted by Cloud_99
PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT ARE RAPERS!! AAAAAARGHHHH!!!
EVERYONE WANTS TO RAPE ME!!!
*jumps off a window*
And yes, whenever you see I go "over the top", it's because I am being sarcastic. Except when I say I like to pee on people's heads from the balcony, I find that to be very entretaining. Um..wait.....is that sarcasm? You'll never know. Do I look like the headpee-er type?
At each corner of the world there is a man that is watching those site, is a shame! I mean HELLO? Why doy ou want to see woman naked if you can go to the beach and see them half-naked!
Porn sites should be banned from every world, it's a shame against the women of all the world. Those that let be published like that all naked have no shame on their face!
Those women pass a very wrong images of what women really are! It's because of that, that many men now, only want to see a hot! It's wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shame on those people who visits those sites!
I don't visit porn sites because it really dosen't create any kind of sexual reaction in me (I mean, naked women practicing blow jobs on guys that ejaculate in their faces...uh...my idea of erotic beauty is not a girl with semen all over her face, really). I mean, I personally prefer erotic images, but there isn't much of that on the web :b
Still, seriously, if you expect to ban pornography, it's that you don't know the kind of frustration it would create. Look, people need to satisfy their sexual impulses, and sometimes well...when you don't like your wife or something, well...there's porn as a way of satisfaction of the impulses. And trying to repress those impulses leads to quite a problem, you know, Freud blah, blah, blaah.
So true. If the parent can't even look after the kid, they shouldn't expect the world to do it. I don't agree with porn, but some people like it. They shouldn't have to suffer because some whiny mom found their kid looking at something innappropriate. Most pornography sites have warnings. Like "18 only" and stuff. That's enough, in my opinion.Quote:
I agree porn shouldn't be blocked out. This argument is caused by the new culture of whiney over attentative mothers who can't be arsed to raise there kids anymore and want the world to do it for them. They should shut up stop arguing and start raising their kids properly.
I like porn because it makes me happy. Even though I, for some reason, seem to get off better at fiction rather than boring stills of nekkid people.
Does erotic fiction equal porn? If it does, wouldn't that mean that trying to restrict porn actually means restricting someone's word? *_*
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Besides, duck any American piece o' government, I live in a whole nother country.
This is the reason why p2p was invented, makes porn gathering easier.
US courts blocked the ruling today btw :D
I don't like to see man all naked on the web I think that the body of somebody is smth really personal and what's the funny of seeing twenty men all naked? Okay sometimes you can't resist to a pretty body but not all naked!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Nexus
I think that men and women only should show it to the person that they love (really love) and not hanging out there all naked through the web.
Porn sites, porn movies, everytrhging should be banned, live the reality! Men can't resist to (for an example) at the beach they saw a pretty woman and the slobber falls.
It's a threat against the women/men dignity!
Don't you agree that it' more funny to have a naked women/men alive in front of you that moves in reality?
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Porn sites, porn movies, everytrhging should be banned, live the reality! Men can't resist to (for an example) at the beach they saw a pretty woman and the slobber falls.
It's a threat against the women/men dignity!
Um...OK, you don't like porn, you prefer the real thing. Good, I prefer the real thing too, but you see, unless you are the owner of a brohtel, you probably don't always have the real thing when you need it. The fact you don't like it dosen't mean it should be banned.
And about men not resisting a hot girl...well...welcome to reality too! Men like women, women like men. Some men like men and some women like women, and some lucky ones like both. So when they find someone sexually attractive, they look at that person, and probably feel sexual desire..and thats completly natural, it's how we reproduce. And you don't need to love a person to have any sexual desire. OK, so some people prefer to avoid the "sex for sex" thing and prefer to have sex only when in love, but EVERYONE has sexual desires. And when you see a sexually attractive guy, you look at him because you desire sex, and deep inside you'd drag him to your bed. OK, so maybe you are not conscious of this and look at him only because "he is hot", but deep inside you have sexual needs, sexual pulsions, and you wish to satisfy them, and you look at the guy because you wish to satisfy them with him. Maybe you will, maybe you won't, but you'll have those pulsions, and you will release them, either by sublimization (art, for example) or directly by a sexual act (If not sex, then just masturbation). Thats why I don't like religions that put all those problems in things on sex and all that "impure" thing. Everyone has pulsions, everyone wants to have sex, and everyone has impure thougts.
Haha, silly Americans, trying to fight the porn industry. Haha. I mean, it's the largest portion of the Net, non? Banning it is like, I dunno, fighting terrorism, or something...
Yeah, now that I think of it, according to Bush most people are terrorists, cause you know, "you're either with us or against us".Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
Hey, I'm a terrorist! Cool!
*smirks as thunder sounds on the background*
Note: It Is Not My Intention To Make Of This a Bush-Bashing Topic. I just had to reply that, cause I'm stupid.
Yeah. And your opinions suck, too.Quote:
I'm stupid.
Thats flaming! Oh no! *runs away crying*Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
No one loves me. Someone pity me please, or I'll make an angsty post or a goth poem about suicide.
You're my new favourite person. *head-butts*Quote:
Thats flaming! Oh no! *runs away crying*
No one loves me. Someone pity me please, or I'll make an angsty post or a goth poem about suicide.[
Hands off! He's my bleeding-heart liberal.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
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Originally Posted by Shadow Nexus
Dude, peeing on other people's heads is hilarious. At least while drunk. :D
He's no liberal! He's a freaking communist Spanish inquisitor!Quote:
Hands off! He's my bleeding-heart liberal.
Do you have anything against communism?
[Quote] (If not sex, then just masturbation).Quote]
No at all! I think this is the worst thing to do!!!
Yeah yeah Shadow, okay I've already understand, but I don't think that religion has a very importance at this subject!
Who cares?
You're making me blush ^^
I'm not a communist! I don't know what I am, I guess somewhere between anarchism and communism, oh, and intellectual anarchism, not "D00DS WE CAN BURN PEOPLE COZ NO POLICE LOLZ".Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
However... I am an inquisitor! *tortures War Angel for being a Jew* ACCEPT JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOUR, JESUS LOVES YOU! AND I AM SHOWING YOU JESUS' LOVE THROUGH THIS WONDERFUL BOILING OIL AND HOT NEEDLES!!! Feel the love...
Wanking is wrong? Well, it's the way of satisfying sexual drive when you don't have a cople available. And everyone has sexual impulses, so if you don't masturbate you have a couple and have sex a lot. Either that or you do some strong sublimization. Nah, no one can live witgout sex.Quote:
No at all! I think this is the worst thing to do!!!
YAY!!!!Quote:
D00DS WE CAN BURN PEOPLE COZ NO POLICE LOLZ
Oh yeah baby, now that's what I like! ;)Quote:
*tortures War Angel for being a Jew* ACCEPT JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOUR, JESUS LOVES YOU! AND I AM SHOWING YOU JESUS' LOVE THROUGH THIS WONDERFUL BOILING OIL AND HOT NEEDLES!!! Feel the love...
And, yes, masturbation is awesome. Even when you do have someone to bang... there's nothing like going solo.
Kiss my shoes, dog. *kicks and whips* (Soon this may get into some fun cyber sex! Until we get banned)Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
As Woody Allen said, "it's making sex with the person you love most".Quote:
And, yes, masturbation is awesome. Even when you do have someone to bang... there's nothing like going solo.
I agree. masturbation is wonderful. however, before this thread further degenerates into an oblivion of sex-blinded maniacs whipping each other virtually into a hot orgy, i must put it a bit bck on topic and post my thoughts.
as to what someone said earlier about this being a very religious matter, i must disagree. most religions have very different views on sexual relations and such. if we conform to every single religion, every single person on this planet would be completely celebate!remember the quakers (or the shakers, i cant remember). that includes jacking off, too!
besides, we wouldnt want another inquisition coming to power. its not like we could help it, though. becuz NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
anyway, who put it to the supreme court to decide this anyway? they cant make it illegal. the world wide web is just that: worldly. global. although 60% or more of it consists of porn, and most of it originates from the US, plenty of it comes from other countries.
and isnt the freedom of speech in the AMERICAN bill of rights?
now i have to support the other side. porn does cause several problems. it can break up marriages, and in some cases can prevent the person from having sex with a real person becuz they've been getting it off for so long w/ someone who isnt there.
alright, u can go back to ur mindless pleasure now.
Wasn't it 'most close to you'?Quote:
As Woody Allen said, "it's making sex with the person you love most".
That's a fair and interesting point... however, it's purely a matter of opinion, and certainly not grounds for a law-suit, or case for banning.Quote:
and in some cases can prevent the person from having sex with a real person becuz they've been getting it off for so long w/ someone who isnt there.
I believe we can conclude now that NO-ONE should be able to deprive us from our right to watch porn, and\or jack off.
Probably, makes sense.Quote:
Wasn't it 'most close to you'?
Don't bash my culture! I am very proud of the inquisition and the conquest of South America, where we destroyed divilizations and slayed millions in the good name of christianity.Quote:
its not like we could help it, though. becuz NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
Uh...a marriage broken by internet porn is not a marriage that ever deserved to be saved.Quote:
it can break up marriages
Kids will find a way to get porn one way or another.
to true. kids will find a way to access porn. i did, for years, until i overcame it. it is, once again, a matter for parents.
but it is also a matter of self control and willpower. if u realize that u have no need for it, or are not attracted by it, u should be able to surf the internet and just click the back button when u come to a porn site. it's not that hard. when it comes down to it, it's a choice for each and every person to make, not the legislation.
i wasnt bashing ur culture, nexus. i was making a joke about a Monty Python skit.Quote:
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its not like we could help it, though. becuz NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
Don't bash my culture! I am very proud of the inquisition and the conquest of South America, where we destroyed divilizations and slayed millions in the good name of christianity.
Keep this on-topic, thank you. I don't like yelling at people.
Porn is a freedom of speech issue, I guess I agree. But just because it's a freedom of speech issue doesn't mean you get to have free reign to do anything you want. Porn isn't sold beside the milk and bread in the grocery store; it's not allowed, because minors could get it. You can't go plastering porn all over public places, because as much as people have a right to see porn, people also have a right not to see it.
I wasn't serious about being proud of my culture either.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChocoboRider
Wouldn't it be great for this to apply to advertisments too?Quote:
You can't go plastering porn all over public places, because as much as people have a right to see porn, people also have a right not to see it.
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Originally Posted by Dr Unne
I can't wait until some mother a hissy-fit over milk-cartons at the reach of minors, though. :D
Thanks...as soon as I posted I didn't subscribe to this thread because I thought someone was going to attack me for my statement...then again I should of known better than that (this isn't all those other forums).Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
Nice to see theres those who agree with me...and agree with me on other topics. :p
http://www.waronpornography.com/
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Join the armies of heaven!
Yes! Damn all us heathens for not raising their kids for them! DAMN US ALL!
NO comments... I prefer instead of touching in myself I prefer touch in a man if you now what I mean... I don't think that, it's disgusting, but woman are not that easy and I understand that every man does it but why do yuo do that? Is because you don't have woman, you don't want to have sex while your single and not yet married?Quote:
I agree. masturbation is wonderful.
i imagine it has to do with alot of energy in a certain chakra point, and for some reason we feel the need to release it i guess. of course i could be wrong, i dont know all that much about chakra's. that jsut makes sense to me from what little i know. i guess its like when your sad and u just have to cry i think, or when ur angry and u have to let it out. its like that. it all has to do with energy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinity
Yeah, release that pressure. It's unhealthy to not masturbate - after all, masturbation cuts cancer risk.
I've just heard that was ejaculating that reduces the probably of getting prostate cancer! It release the pressure... I still think it's wrong!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Divinity
DAD:
There are Jews in the world.
There are Buddhists.
There are Hindus and Mormons, and then
There are those that follow Mohammed, but
I've never been one of them.
I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is:
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.
You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on. You're
A Catholic the moment Dad came,
Because
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
CHILDREN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
GIRL:
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.
CHILDREN:
Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.
MUM:
Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.
MEN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
WOMEN:
If a sperm is wasted,...
CHILDREN:
...God get quite irate.
PRIEST:
Every sperm is sacred.
BRIDE and GROOM:
Every sperm is good.
NANNIES:
Every sperm is needed...
CARDINALS:
...In your neighbourhood!
CHILDREN:
Every sperm is useful.
Every sperm is fine.
FUNERAL CORTEGE:
God needs everybody's.
MOURNER #1:
Mine!
MOURNER #2:
And mine!
CORPSE:
And mine!
NUN:
Let the Pagan spill theirs
O'er mountain, hill, and plain.
HOLY STATUES:
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.
EVERYONE:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaaate!
I get it, okay? :)
I do it because I have pent up urges....Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinity
Odd fact: Yaoi is proven to increase a female's sex drive. Yah!
HeehhhehhehheheeeeeeheheHA! Sorry Ryu...naughty thoughts, mmmyesQuote:
Originally Posted by Female Ryuichi
The internet is around 65% porn i bet so if they get rid of porn that leaves EyesOnFF and some boring sites...which means there will either be tons of new newbies at EoFF or no newbies because everyone got rid of the internet because without PORNO there isn't much use for it.
I so need to figure out how to unsubcribe from this thread, its begining to disterb me now...
I agree that this has went "a tad" off topic...some one might as well start a masturbation thread in general chat, seeing as its so popular.
AKA "That Thread Which Contains All Those People Who Got Banned".Quote:
I agree that this has went "a tad" off topic...some one might as well start a masturbation thread in general chat, seeing as its so popular.
Although I am against porn in some cases, this is just a little too much.
All I can say is... Poor HOOTERS.
I love Nait for posting that song. I miss my Monty Python sings CD.
As far as pornography goes, I agree with Unne. People have a right to view it, but people also have a right not to. I'd much rather allow people to access pornography over the internet than having it available like the stands all over New York City. While it's on the internet, people can choose to avoid it.
I believe, however, that sites need better protection. It's far to easy to access pornography on the web. I believe the only thing that should change is required identification and authentication of the viewer's age. Having a simple, "Those under the legal age should not view this material, blah, blah, blah." and then have a simple, "I am at or over the consenting age." button.
As for such things like pornography being wrong and immoral, tha'ts not really the point. Society has tossed morals down the drain. I don't consider myself a moral person, and I don't have very many morals of my own. Honestly, I think what someone does is that person's business alone unless affects another. If people want to look at porn, I don't care. If you think porn is so dirty and wrong, don't look at it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean other people should thing it's so vile.
Divinity, you're making a lot of general statements. "Women are not that easy," you say, but maybe some are. I'm sure that sex obsessives aren't just men.
Likewise your comment, "Men can't resist to (for an example) at the beach they saw a pretty woman and the slobber falls." irritates me. You make men out to be disgusting creatures. There are definately a good deal of men who aren't the sex crazed, disgusting slobs that you make them out to be. I'd appreciate it if you stop generalizing, I find it very rude.
Why won't this thread just curl up and die?
Well Divinity i just know that you arent really looking at this the right way even though i know no matter whatever anyone posts here, it doesnt matter to you. Wrong to you? Thats totally fine, but not everyone thinks that way. You might say the color purple is EVIL! I wouldnt think so at all. Theres no justification that it is wrong just because you think so. You are probably still young (no offense intended, its just something i THINK you are from the way you post) so it might do well to look at this maybe with more an open mind. I find many things that you do post somewhat very stereotypical and to me you dont seem to know what you are talking about. Women are not that easy? So you are implying that men are? I feel insulted in that way. Stop generalizing please. Masturbation is wrong? Does it hurt you? If it does then you are just making it hurt you. I personally believe if Masturbation is wrong and porn and stuff are gone, i would think more ppl would likely rape a random person out there...it gives an outlet, if it is wrong there would be none except with someone else and that is where rape might come in more often...I am not saying porn is necessarily right and good, but it does have its places i feel.
Porn to me isnt something i absolutely like, but its there, sex is in our lives, and to deny it is something stupid. Unne got it best, you can choose to see or not to see it. People do have a right to do this if they like, its totally up to you if you want to see it. Its also totally up to you to make such a big deal out of this as well.
you know they have something called PARENTAL CONTROLS, does anyone utilize them anymore!?
Lionx those post were from long ago but some of my ideas has now changed, altough I still think that some men are horrible stupids and a soon-of-a-bitch... but not all don't feel insulted coz some men are easy and so easy that hurts! The worst is that those men sucks!Quote:
Originally Posted by lionx
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Originally Posted by lionx
Well you see, I've suffered to much to change my opinion so quickjly what I thought before I met my boyfriend was that all men are the same thing. They tell that they want us, then they don't, they get tired of us and they dump us! Kionx serious, that was almost general. So I can't stop generazing but I'll try!
So if you think that masturbation and porn sites are wrong ewhat's the point?Quote:
Originally Posted by lionx
Excuse me? Didn't undersatnd the question...Quote:
Originally Posted by lionx
Some women are really easy as well especially with a green paper with George Washington's head on it between their breasts too.Quote:
Lionx those post were from long ago but some of my ideas has now changed, altough I still think that some men are horrible stupids and a soon-of-a-bitch... but not all don't feel insulted coz some men are easy and so easy that hurts! The worst is that those men sucks!
And i did not say Masturbation is wrong, read it again. I stated that IF masturbation is wrong, people would more likely rape someone else. While that is not documented or whatever that is my general belief that it is very well possible and likely.
And yes thanks for at least trying, i dont know exactly what happened but the thing is that, no one person is the same, and that even though i was hurt before in relationships, that didnt stop me from finding someone else because no one person is the same.
What i meant by does it hurt you, i meant does masturbation itself hurt you? If it doesnt hurt you i dont see why you are comdeming it as something pitifully wrong. And if it DOES hurt you...i think that most people are just letting it hurt themselves in this situation.
Then I tell you what happened during 5 years all the men that I liked dumped me they didn't even wanted to listen me they just know that I liked them and flew away... DURING 5 F***** YEARS! They are the reason why I wanted to suicide. I wanted to kill myself coz those bitches didn't care just a little bit for me...
During 3 years I kept dreaming that I die and die and die... do you think that my parents helped me? I told them that phearps I needed a psycologist. Do you know what they did? They laugh in front of my face! And I passed all that alone. Till I came to EOFF and I fiogured out that men weren't all the same and I met my boyfriend that told everuthiong that I needed to know for the last 5 years... He told me things taht I didn't believ but from that day on I started to believe...
This was what happened... happy?
O.o You really really didnt have to post that....i dont know why you felt that i wanted to hear it or not but no i didnt say i wanted to hear that or try to offend you. This is a pretty awkward position O.o
But either way i am happy you have found someone special that is dear to you and that you know more about the world.
It's all right... Now you know why I am this annoying bitch!
Divinity... How old are you... Seriously, you're not the only one with a broken heart. You don't see me running around calling women evil. You found a guy, now get over it.
The reason Porn is a constant target is because some Christians don't like it. The same reason there are edited CDs everywhere and you have to pay like 10 bucks to get a nonedited version.
I'm 15 going 16 on 11th October... and I thought that I was never goona find the right guy
Well your still pretty young..i had similar feelings when i was your age but really, dont worry too much about it, ya got a huge life ahead. And i am only 17 :P