Fair and Balanced, view of the right wing.

This forum is a place to debate whether or not the media is right wing/left wing or impartial . Well atleast we'll be able to agree its not the last one :D .

My first piece of evidence from Moveon.org where i obtained a copy of their complaint filed to the FTC, about the Right Winged propaganda that has been spewed from fox on a show that is supposedly showing the view of Left/Right and Inde.

http://cdn.moveon.org/content/pdfs/ftc_filing.pdf

Ok so now u can go on to ur conservative sites and try and prove me wrong.

Note: This site is completely democratic, and expresses views of removing Bush from office, light hearted Rep. need be aware, u may realize the error of ur ways and vote for Kerry after visting.


EDIT: Gotta add another link
Windows Media Player Format - http://http.dvlabs.com/carolina/Trailer_A.wmv

Quicktime Format - http://http.dvlabs.com/carolina/Outfxd2/Trailer_A(Med).mov

I would like views on that upcoming documentary as well.

The media is basically moderate/leftist, and always has been. Why? Because the purpose is to question the government, and the idea of more public involvement is, typically, a leftist ideal. I get tired of people harping on how the media is partial to one side or the other. Now, if you're reading the editorials and mistaking them for news, that's a different story altogether.

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Its funny how people think fox news is propganda, when the news channel shows both sides of things, with a fair and balanced view. And when most of the media is mostly liberal, and the only one that is not is fox news...

I've seen a lot of conservative talk shows and stuff too. They're media too, right? Media is either left or right leaning, depending on who you watch. That's kinda evading the question though.

I read newspapers. Those are usually the best at remaining impartial. Except the editorials, of course.

there is nothing wrong with fox news being totally biased towards the moronic... err i mean conservative view point. i do agree though that they shouldn't have a slogan like "fair and balanced news" thats just laughable, and it is an insult to our intelligence.

I don't know if Bill O'Reilly is on Fox or not, but I remember seeing one show of his touted as the "No Spin Zone" when he was totally skewing every word that came out of Al Sharpton's mouth. What a *insert bad word*.

[qq=princeofdarknez]Media is either left or right leaning, depending on who you watch. That's kinda evading the question though.[/qq]

It's not dodging the question, it's the most specific generalization you can form that's still true. "The media" is too broad a term to say anything specific about. Maybe Fox News says they're impartial but are really pro-Republican; then don't watch them. I don't. They do put Democrats on the air and do give both sides of most stories, to some degree or other, so to call it propaganda is a misuse of the term, in my opinion.

Until the news is done by robots which have been programmed by other robots, it's going to be partial to one side or another in some way to some degree. Speaking of which, http://google.com/news is a nice place to get news; it has no human editors, so it's about as impartial as you're going to get on this planet.

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Its funny how people think fox news is propganda, when the news channel shows both sides of things, with a fair and balanced view. And when most of the media is mostly liberal, and the only one that is not is fox news...

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I really hope you're joking. That's just sad.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

...oh wait, you were serious there?

Anyways, jokes aside, Fox News does tend to have a definite rightist slant. But since you know that, you can always choose to watch a news medium that is more suited to your tastes. There's right and left-wing media all over, just pick the ones you like and stick with it. You might also try watching/listening to both, it might broaden your horizons. I know it did for me (instead of thinking that just Republicans are liars, I now know that EVERYONE is a liar!)

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

...oh wait, you were serious there?

Anyways, jokes aside, Fox News does tend to have a definite rightist slant. But since you know that, you can always choose to watch a news medium that is more suited to your tastes. There's right and left-wing media all over, just pick the ones you like and stick with it. You might also try watching/listening to both, it might broaden your horizons. I know it did for me (instead of thinking that just Republicans are liars, I now know that EVERYONE is a liar!)

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Actually the only shows I watch on Fox News is Bill O'rielly, Hannity and Colmes, and thats it.Hannity and Colmes there only a liberal anchor and a conservative anchor. The rest is basically scott petterson or kobe bryant. And its like wtf. Fox news. Then I switch it over to CNN, and watch whats happening through out the world, and in the middle east. Goto www.foxnews.com, www.cnn.com and www.military.com.Especially on msnbc on the kind of questions they have, and if you ever notice when there having a debate most of the people are liberal and there is like 1 conservative guy there.

Oh, and I dont have enough time to look at every news source since I do have a life.

I'd like to remind everyone to be respectful, or I'm going to start banning people from this forum (again). Thanks.

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Especially on msnbc on the kind of questions they have, and if you ever notice when there having a debate most of the people are liberal and there is like 1 conservative guy there.

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I dont know what show ur watching, because whenever i turn on my television to cnn, fox, and msn,
I never get anything, but conservative Presidents views. They dont really do reporting anymore they just quote whatever the President says, and dont question it at all, they just quote others questions. And if nobody with any power has any questions then they just report what the conservatives say. When it comes to debates i never see any on cnn that invovle anymore people than the Anchor, the right wingst, and left wingst. Except on Crossfire, where they only have they same number of right and left wingers, and maybe inside politics which i dont watch so i wouldnt know.

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So do I, yet I feel that I am obligated to try to see both sides of the story when possible. I feel it keeps me less close-minded when making decisions about what I believe is right politically.

Every news channel in our country has some sort of slant to it. FOX news is rightist. CNN is leftist. MSNBC is more or less moderate.

I just watch BBCNews.

The sad thing is that slightly right of center is called "leftist" in this country.

Colmes, for example, is most certainly not leftist.


Jebus - BBC News is pretty unbiased when not covering British news or the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, yes.

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Jebus - BBC News is pretty unbiased when not covering British news or the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, yes.

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If anything, the BBC is "anti-British" when it comes to domestic affairs. But even that is pushing things a little. As for Israel-Palestine, I've seen comparable reporting of both sides of that conflict, including intense scrutiny of methods and motivations of both groups. They're probably about as balanced as you can get in this day and age, though that's not saying an awful lot.

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The media is basically moderate/leftist, and always has been. Why? Because the purpose is to question the government, and the idea of more public involvement is, typically, a leftist ideal.

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I'm more of the opinion that the media is liberal becuase it's better informed than the general public.

I used to try to get unbiased news by watching the most biased sources available. I'd watch Fox, and then The Daily Show [insert joke about how equally viable they both are as news sources here]. Then I started getting mad at the biases, on BOTH sides, so I wound up doing exactly what Unne suggested.... google news and the like. While bias-hunting, however, I was struck by much easier it was to watch left-leaning news, so that's my vote. Oh wait, there no poll.

I didn't say it had a cheerleader mentality towards Britain like most American news sources have towards the US, merely that there was a bias there. I'd agree with you on the most part, though.

Europe, in general, seems to be biased towards the Palestinian side.

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I didn't say it had a cheerleader mentality towards Britain like most American news sources have towards the US, merely that there was a bias there. I'd agree with you on the most part, though.

Europe, in general, seems to be biased towards the Palestinian side.

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a little of column a, a little of column lingering anti-semetic feelings


I mean, it's good that they don't treat Israel like some infallible kingdom of God like the US does, but they're also the only democracy in the region and they've had to put up with a lot. Granted, there is a very vocal and powerful minority in Israel that are land-grabbing bastards.

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Do you want me to list all the wars and genocides that took place in Europe in the past 250 years, then compare it to the USA? Europeans are in no way sensible - they only wish to appear as so.

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Do you want me to list all the wars and genocides that took place in Europe in the past 250 years, then compare it to the USA? Europeans are in no way sensible - they only wish to appear as so.

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You're right, we are not more sensible. However, it's true that European mentality tends to be less accepting towards the idea of war than people in the US: Probably because no war has been fought in US soil since the civil war more than a century ago. And no; I do not count an attack on a naval base in Hawaai as a "war fought on US soil".

Some people consider 9-11 to be one.

Oh, except when it comes to detaining prisoners. Then that pesky Geneva Convention would come into play, and we can't have THAT.

Hawaii wasn't even a state at the time, anyway. We deposed its Queen and made it a territory. You should have seen Michael Moore's great-grandfather's news reel, "No Blood for Pineapple"

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Very true. However, when reluctance turns into sheer impotency... that's bad. Understanding the cost of war, in all areas, is fine. Avoiding it to the best of your ability is needed... but a time comes, when you have to fight a war, and I believe such a time has come. If you say 'No, not yet', I can accept that. But if you say 'No, NEVER!', then you're dead wrong.

I think Bertolt Bretch said something like...

"After the war, the country that lost had it's people starving. The country that won had their people starving too."

My point is that war is not of the interest of the people, but of the interest of the few who are in the dominating sphere, the ones that benefit. Basically convince the people that communication with the other country is impossible and that war is justificable, make some nice rethoric talking about the motherland, patriotism and God, and you got your war all set.

As for me, I can understand war when a country is invading another. If you are getting invaded by someone you don't like, then you must obviously fight back. I don't think the invasion is justified, but the defense is.

" Basically convince the people that communication with the other country is impossible and that war is justificable, make some nice rethoric talking about the motherland, patriotism and God, and you got your war all set."

as well as a few bank accounts.

Ah, the media, what a hot button issue.

Unfortunately, in our current atmosphere, at least in the USA, it's become a business of access more than anything else. Just about every network attempts to appease both sides so that they can get the inside scoop before the others. There's been competitions amongst the "Big 3", CBS, NBC and ABC, to see who can break a news story first and oftentimes it means attempting to find their way into a location before the other. Generally, this leads more to sensationalism and generalizations instead of real news as well as sound bites instead of actual news stories.

The TV itself as a medium can be directly contributed to this, as it's essentially programmed us to want information fast and easy to understand. More often than not, "Debate" shows on Fox, CNN and the like boil into shout-fests because apparently the train of thought is that the louder one yells, the more important their point is, or the more truthful they become, when in reality, actual news often has two sides and doesn't need to be completely cut up to make nice little half minute pieces on the nightly news.

Our culture as well, has made us very polarized about politics, with all forms of commercials, campaigning and the like that attempt to show how wrong each side is, when in reality, they're just two sides of the same argument: Politics is all about compromise, how many people can you please at once in order to gain. Sure, every once in a while, you'll have someone on an idealistic or self-rightieous crusade, but they often are candles in the wind, they shine for a moment and are then blown out because they are either too left or right for the general population.

This in a nutshell is what boggles my mind about this current Presidential election:

Kerry and Edwards are being attacked for being too "Liberal". Yet, wouldn't that mean that they are favoring socialism and anarchy? At the same time, Bush and Cheney are being plugged as too "Conservative", yet wouldn't THAT mean they are attempting a dictatorship? In reality, neither are really THAT extreme in real terms of the political spectrum. In my opinion, the differences between Kerry and Bush really aren't that wide, but we are manipulated to think it's huge.

Problem with media is that it can be easily used to fuel wrong or misinformed information, which in turn can completely misinform the public who watch it. Yet, how can we make sure the media gives balanced news when the news itself is becoming leftist or rightist based upon campaign managers, and TV execs?

More than anything else, I feel the best way to be informed is to watch multiple perspectives on something, be it news, sports, whatever. Then, you can sort of filter out all the biases by either side and be left with what is real and truthful. As Unne and others said, check sources that attempt to be impartial, as most TV news IS, whether we like it or not on some form of agenda because they need money as well. So, they will show the news from a perspective their target audiences want to hear it from.

Take care all.

Well you have radio, television, and paper, etc..
It varies slightly from each type, I will focus on television.

I would say the vast majority of it is left leaning. This often is intentional, but I am sure there are channels that do it unintentionally.
Fox does have a conservative bias, even I can see that, however they do often allow the otherside to speak and that is what is important on any network regardless the bias.

Really it is best to watch different shows with different biases, or attempt to ignore the bias alltogether.

You also have to take things into consideration, the terms right/left. Right/left is describing economic policies more than social ones, therefore if a channel is libertarian (economic right/social liberal), one may call it a leftist channel and people may then think it is liberal, vice versa with a channel that is Authoritarian (economic left/social conservative). But of course even conservative/liberal are often mis labeled. In definition, neither are bad. In modern day practice these labels are often seen as bad from the other side.

But anyway back to the topic.
I would say most media has the liberal (not just left economic) slant on things. I also tend to see this in newspapers as well. Interestingly enough a survey was done on media people's positions and the vast majority of people in the news are liberal. Therefore it is easy to see why the liberal bias outweighs the conservative bias. Bias is hard to not let out, so you can't blame the people, as long as they keep it toned down which most networks do well enough.

I can't be arsed to debate right now, so I'm counting on you, Tom Tomorrow!

*bookmarks the site that comic comes from*

I like watching CNN. I'm thinking of getting a subscription to the New York Times. Guess which side of the fence I'm on. =D?

I do watch conservative/moderate sources, though. Just so I can get different perspectives of the facts.

You mean CNN actually...is meant to be liberal?

Oh my God.