does anyone knows what is this skinhead talking about?

i found this on a skinhead faq.
http://www.meta-religion.com/Extremi...ions_about.htm

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Q. Why do you hate the jews so much, or just "hate" in general?

A. Love & hate go hand in hand. If you love your family, then it's a natural instinct to hate that which would want to threaten your family. So then the parasitical race of jews are a direct threat to the White Race, whom we love dearly, therefore we hate them for their actions directed AGAINST us. If they want to stay in Israel and leach off the Palestinians, then that's their problem. But instead they want to live in America and be Parasites of Society and control the mass media and deliberately lie about anyone who is proud to be white. It's ok to be black & proud, or jewish & proud of it, but if you're white & proud, you're a bigot, NAZI, Facist, Racist, hatemonger, Skinhead... you get the point I'm making.

Q. But what about the poor innocent jews that died in the holocaust? All 6 million of them?

A. There is no proof what-so-ever that any of them were systematically "gassed". It's a money making lie. The propaganda of the victor becomes the history of the vanquished!

I strongly recommend reading a book by David Duke entitled "My Awakening" which explains alot of the propaganda techniques the jews use to milk the white masses.. Highly recommended!

Holocaust Myth 101

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so, does anyone knows what is he (or the organization he represents) is talking about? have you read this book or know something about it?

I can never figure out why so many American's hate the Jewish community.

idk what hes talking about. I'm white. I don't really care. I'd still be me if I was any other race. I don't hate jews. I hold nothing against Colored people. I don't care what color you are. I don't resent you. You are still you. I judge people by their actions not their race. Germany made a terible mistake in the past. Get over it. I don't hold that against them as a people. I hold it only against their leader Adolf Hitler. For it is his fault. The people had no choice of what they did. If they disagreed they were shot. What I dislike about Hitler the most is that he took advantage of Germany. They were in tough times. I don't like people who take advantage of people. I hold nothing against Jewish people. As far as I can see there only crime was being vulnerable. Why do people pick on Jews so much. I'm afraid the media of America will only acept all when we have a Colored Female Jewish president. Due to superstition I fear that will not be soon. We can only hope that our next president will not act with force to solve problems. If you support the use of force I dont hold that against you. It's your choice who you support. Truthfully I think we should help rebuild what we have destroyed and leave them to solve their own problems. I don't hate you because of your race; only your actions. Have a nice day

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So then the parasitical race of jews are a direct threat to the White Race, whom we love dearly, therefore we hate them for their actions directed AGAINST us. If they want to stay in Israel and leach off the Palestinians, then that's their problem.

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*snip* Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity.

Be nice. --Unne
Oh, you were talking about the article; never mind then. --Unne

[QQ=radyk05]does anyone knows what is this skinhead talking about?[/QQ]

Heck, I don't even think he knows what he's talking about.

"*snip* Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity."
thats untrue. although it is a religion, it is also its own ethnic group. ever notice how all jews have certain features nobody else has?

i sorta know what this guy is talking about. there is a huge belief that the holocaust actaully never happened. bullsh*t in my opinion, but i havent looked much into it so im not one to talk i guess.

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Originally Posted by Olly

I can never figure out why so many American's hate the Jewish community.

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What the hell are you talking about, Joel? Because America is ethnically diverse, there's going to be at least one group of people to hate every race, religion, sexual preference, gender, etc. It's the nature of humanity, not just the nature of American's.

Generalizations like that bug me. :p

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Originally Posted by Olly

I can never figure out why so many American's hate the Jewish community.

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people hate jews because they are rich and powerful, i guess.

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It's ok to be black & proud, or jewish & proud of it, but if you're white & proud, you're a bigot, NAZI, Facist, Racist, hatemonger, Skinhead...

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He's got a point there. In this day and age, caucasians are systematically persecuted in the name of "affirmitive action," and it's considered socially acceptable, even by some of those who are discriminated against. For the others, being treated in such an unfair manner leads them to anger, which is the first seed of hate, which leads to the foundation and maintenance of white supremacist groups. Such groups are then in turn used to justify further discrimination against caucasions...it's a vicious cycle, and frankly, I don't think that it's one that's never going to end. You can point it out to people as much as you like, but nobody cares. They see it, they know it's wrong, and they don't care.

As long as we're living in a society that doesn't care, such philosophies as national socialism will continue to flourish.

He ceases to make sense once he jumps from "Just because I'm a majority doesn't mean I should be treated like crap" to "Everyone is against me, especially Jews because they're evil".

he's a skinhead. he's a moron. they'r synonamous (sp?)

Damn I hate white people.

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Originally Posted by ShlupQuack

Damn I hate white people.

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i would hate them as well... except im white.

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Originally Posted by nik0tine

"*snip* Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity."
thats untrue. although it is a religion, it is also its own ethnic group. ever notice how all jews have certain features nobody else has?

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Ju·da·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jd-zm)
n.
The monotheistic religion of the Jews, tracing its origins to Abraham and having its spiritual and ethical principles embodied chiefly in the Hebrew Scriptures and the Talmud.

The Hebrews make up the ethnicity. That's why there are so many different types of Jews(black Jews, white Jews, Asian Jews, etc.).

The Hebrews make up the ethnicity. That's why there are so many different types of Jews(black Jews, white Jews, Asian Jews, etc.).

black jews? ive never seen one of those. and asian jews? who knew? you learn something everyday i guess.

Yep. They're rare, but they exist.

Back on topic: I don't understand how someone can be so stupid as to deny the happenings of the Holocaust. We have video evidence as well as the actual sites of the camps.

I've seen a black Jew before. It's very odd, because the summer Jewish camp he goes to constantly puts him in all of their pictures and information in order to promote diversity. *slightly ooc, but not enough to warrant the tags*

[q=Bleys]You can point it out to people as much as you like, but nobody cares. They see it, they know it's wrong, and they don't care.[/q]

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Originally Posted by SomethingBig

Yep. They're rare, but they exist.

Back on topic: I don't understand how someone can be so stupid as to deny the happenings of the Holocaust. We have video evidence as well as the actual sites of the camps.

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as far as i know, they dont deny it happening, but they say the number was FAR less than six million. something like 10-20 thousand or so. the video's pretty much prove the holocaust happened, but the actual numbers of deaths is debatable. im not saying i believe this crap, but so far as i know, this is what they are saying. there was no six million deaths, just a few thousand.



You can point it out to people as much as you like, but nobody cares. They see it, they know it's wrong, and they don't care.


its more than that they dont care. people live for drama. a huge surge of emotion will satisfy that lust for drama.it is far easier to get that 'surge of emotion' through hatred than any other form of emotion. people get staisfaction out of hating other people. at least, thats how i see it.

There are actually people that don't believe it ever happened. I watched a movie based on a true story about a survivor of the Holocaust and how he went around telling people about the importance of not forgetting the Holocaust and he showed his artwork that consisted of actual materials from Auschwitz, the camp that he was detained in, as a boy. An organization, not believing that the Holocaust ever happened, sent him a letter telling him that if he can't prove that the Holocaust never happened in front of their court, they would expose him to the whole world as a fraud. The man accepted, but he and his lawyer found a way to take the case to a real court. I'm pretty sure that the case was taken by the state Supreme Court. The Supreme Court said that the Holocaust did, indeed, happen and that there's an ample amount of evidence to back it up. The court also stated that there is no basis for doubt and such a case cannot ever happen again.

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Originally Posted by Dr Unne

He ceases to make sense once he jumps from "Just because I'm a majority doesn't mean I should be treated like crap" to "Everyone is against me, especially Jews because they're evil".

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So if someone says *one* thing that doesn't make sense, they thereby negate anything they've ever said that does make sense?

In that case, Aristotle was a pure loon.

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Originally Posted by princeofdarknez

I've seen a black Jew before.

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Many people have. He's known as Lenny Kravitz.

I think I saw a very similar FAQ on an Anal :bou::bou::bou::bou: website while looking for punk rock groups a few years back. I thought it was dumb and hypocritical back then, too.

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Originally Posted by Olly

I can never figure out why so many American's hate the Jewish community.

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Actually, it's nowhere near as bad in the US as it is in Europe, as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by nik0tine

black jews? ive never seen one of those.

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http://www.bobbydarin.net/davis_jra.jpg

In the time of the ancient Hebrews, religion and ethnicity were synonymous. You inherited your religion from your parents, and by extension from your tribe or nation. Egyptains worshipped Egyptian gods, Hebrews worshipped Hebrew gods, Assyrians worshipped Assyrian gods, etc., and when you waged war on a neighboring country (and inevitably everyone did), it was nation vs. nation, but it was also understood to be god vs. god, and if your armies won a war, you got to claim that your god could beat up their god (something like that). To convert to a new religion was also to convert to a new nationality. It was fairly late in the history of Judaism that they began to practice proselytization. By the time Christianity rolled around, it was possible to convert to Judaism, and it still is today. It was also possible (and sometimes desirable in the time of the Roman empire, for various reasons) to convert away from Judaism, and which involved something called "epispasm". If you don't know anything about that procedure, feel free not to look it up, because you probably don't want to know.

But yeah, the line between ethnicity and religion is somewhat blurry when it comes to Judaism.

[qq=Bleys]So if someone says *one* thing that doesn't make sense, they thereby negate anything they've ever said that does make sense?[/qq]

What you quoted was one of his premises. I disagree with his conclusion, though some of his premises might be true.

My guess is that this guy either represents or hails from some Neo-Nazi group, and that he's spouting that particular group's line of rubbish.

*note* best way to convince people of something stupid: mix it in with something rational. hence, his inclusion of reverse discrimination. Me, I'm not proud to be white. White people in this country have generated so many attrocities throughout our very brief history as to boggle the mind. Although, following that line of logic, nobody can consider themselves proud to be of any decent/ethnicity/whatever since there is not one single group of people anywhere that have never in their history done anything to be ashamed of.

thereby, don't be proud. just be. and if somebody else wants to just be and just let you be, let them be. bear in mind that your right to be ends where the next person's right to be begins. besides, pride is eventually destructive in just about every case I can think of (note the distinction between pride and self esteem). destruction never created anything.

Why do these people who do/say this crap get their words said freely, if it were up to me I'd ban racist talk like that from everywhere. It makes me sad and really angry when I see that stuff. It effects me personaly because my mom's ex boyfriend was a freaking KKK member and every word he said made me want to kill him.

There's too much of this racist crap everywhere, and in my honest opinion it needs to stop.

truly said, mate. how to go about changing it though? violence would only beget more hatred. Humans, being lazy as they are or in need of Drama as nikOtine suggests, will generally not exert any energy to change something without the threat of violence. So, can you really influence a person without any kind of animosity generated towards a third party?

methinks not really. if you come up with a way, please post it. it'd be a great boon to us all.

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Originally Posted by Dr Unne

[qq=Bleys]So if someone says *one* thing that doesn't make sense, they thereby negate anything they've ever said that does make sense?[/qq]

What you quoted was one of his premises. I disagree with his conclusion, though some of his premises might be true.

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I also thought I made it quite clear that I disagreed with the methods of white supremacists, but that doesn't mean we should dismiss what is being said without even thinking about it purely on account of who it is that is saying it. And that's what a lot of people in this thread are doing. Buddy could say that the sky was blue, and most people would disagree, not because they can't see the blue sky through the white clouds, but they would disagree because a national socialist said it.

White supremacists may fan the flames of hatred, acting more out of emotion than logic, but it is government that is fueling the fire. As long as institutionalized discrimination is perpetrated by governments, national socialism will continue to flourish, because there will always be those who follow their emotions and discard cold, unfeeling logic.

I don't really understand why you're debating what a Nazi said... but whatever. There are a few points I'd like to make.

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Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity.

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The Jews are very much of an ethnic group, as well as a religious one. When Jews only marry other Jews, they start to gain mutual features. Sure, they might not be as obvious as black or Asian features... but they're still there. A Russian Jew might have fair hair and bright eyes, but he still looks quite different than the average Russian. There also mental/cultural features to Jews that set them apart from others.

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That's why there are so many different types of Jews(black Jews, white Jews, Asian Jews, etc.).

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Yes, there are Jews basically everywhere, and there is always something physical and mental that sets them apart from others, where they live.

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they say the number was FAR less than six million.

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Heh... the 6 million figure is actually the minimal account. You take a population count thingie in 1946... and OOPS, we have 6 million Jews less than we had back in 1939. And if you take into account places like Russia, where many people weren't mapped, etc... the actual number can be much higher.

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So if someone says *one* thing that doesn't make sense, they thereby negate anything they've ever said that does make sense?

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No, but it does a lot to discredit the person.

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Hebrews worshipped Hebrew gods

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As for why people hate the Jews... there are many reasons to, but I don't think it matters. People hate people, and each have their reasons. Black people are hated, Americans are hated, Jews are hated... you can even say you have justification for your hate (and you might indeed have it), but it still doesn't matter.

As far as I know, the ancient Jews only worshipped <blasphemy>YHWH</blasphemy>(or is it not with just the tetragrammaton, would I need to add the vowels to piss Him off?), but did not initially discount the existence of OTHER gods. They merely did not worship them, and thought YHWH superior to them.

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Originally Posted by radyk05

David Duke

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This just explains everything. I, a French guy, knows who Duke is, and most importantly, his ideas. So here's your explanation:
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Year of birth: 1950
Background: In the early 1970s Duke founded the White Youth Alliance, a group affiliated with the neo-Nazi National Socialist White People's Party in Arlington, Virginia. In 1974, he founded and became the self-appointed Imperial Wizard of the Louisiana-based Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. He established the National Association for the Advancement of White People in 1980 and the European-American Unity and Rights Organization (originally named the National Organization for European American Rights) in January 2000.
Political campaigns: In 1989 Duke won a seat representing Metairie, Louisiana, in the Louisiana State Legislature. Five unsuccessful political campaigns followed: a 1990 bid for the U.S. Senate, a 1991 campaign for the governorship of Louisiana, a bid for the Presidency in 1992, another senatorial race in 1996, and a 1998 attempt to win a Congressional seat in Louisiana. In both the 1990 and 1991 races, he attracted a majority of Louisiana's white voters.
Other media: Internet
Works: African Atto (1973, as Mohammad X) a street-fighting manual avowedly written to help the Klan identify "radical" African-Americans, who would buy the book); Finders Keepers (1976, as Dorothy Vanderbilt) a self-help sex manual for women; My Awakening (1998); and Jewish Supremacism (2002), an updated version of the section, "The Jewish Question," in My Awakening .
Significance: Highest profile white supremacist of the last two decades.

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Originally Posted by Doomgaze

Actually, it's nowhere near as bad in the US as it is in Europe, as far as I know.

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Pfft, that's an understatement. My Holocaust/Genocide teacher was telling my class about how it's extremely dangerous to go into Poland as a Jew, since the majority of the Polish population is Catholic and are extremely anti-semitic.

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Pfft, that's an understatement. My Holocaust/Genocide teacher was telling my class about how it's extremely dangerous to go into Poland as a Jew, since the majority of the Polish population is Catholic and are extremely anti-semitic.

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The Polish aren't that bad. They're a beaten people, and I can understand if they're a little xenophobic. But... try going to Germany, Latvia or Liuthuania as a Jew... -__-

See, that's hard for me to think about, because when I think of Lithuanians, I think of Jews.


...Because most Lithuanians in the US are Jewish, I bet. Because, you know, they left. Yes. And they brought us their delightful breads, so Europe can just suck it.

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...Because most Lithuanians in the US are Jewish, I bet.

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And Russian, as well... which makes for an explosive combo for the Reich-loving Latvian/Liuthuanian.

On a only slightly related note, I love old people from the "Old Country" with those indiscernable eastern european accents <3

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Originally Posted by War Angel

The Polish aren't that bad. They're a beaten people, and I can understand if they're a little xenophobic. But... try going to Germany, Latvia or Liuthuania as a Jew... -__-

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I know that. I was just using Poland as an example.