Who Ultimecia really is

To discover that we have to look for clues in her Castle.
In the art Gallery we see a picture named XERAMPELINAE.
In the picture there is a woman dressed in red with short black hair and a crown.So we assume she is the queen.There is also a piano on the castle.
Ultimecia also wears red clothes,and also JULIA HEARTILY.
Julia has short black hair and play piano.
Ultimecia´s blonde hair may be a secondary efect of her being possessed (yes she is).
Remember Laguna´s phrase?-In order to love two people are required.
So in the castle there is this LOVE (VENUS) picture.And there were only two other picture´s of people in the gallery.The XERAMPELINAE and the VIGIL.The vigil is a symbolic picture of Laguna,Kyros and Ward.
So we have Julia loves Laguna.Laguna IS the knight that Ultimecia lost.
We only see Julia once in the game.The same goes to Ultimecia.

Ultimecia is not possesed. She's a sorceress, and an evil one at that. She's not possesed.

I highly highly doubt Julia is Ultimecia, especially since Julia's fate is clearly explained in the game.

It just seems unlikely that such a minor character would be such a major villian without it being even hinted at in any normal way. If anything, she isnt Julia, she's Rinoa. There's a LOT more evidence to that effect than there is to her being Julia.

That's interesting stuff though.

Very interesting.....but, I think more evidence points to Rinoa....but cool look at things

I doubt that Ultimecia is Julia, also. Julia was just a character that explained a few things about Laguna and Rinoa, in my opinion. I don't really see her as becoming an evil being. If Ultimecia was possessed, then why would they end the game after her defeat? Wouldn't the world of FFVIII be in danger again? Something about that seems kinda fishy to me...

But I can kinda see where you drew conclusions from her art gallery. I didn't really pay too much attention to the paintings other than finding the answer to the puzzle. I don't think that Square was trying to point out that Julia and Ultimecia had red clothing, though. I also don't remember seeing a piano in her castle...but I remember seeing an organ. I would think that there would be a little more evidence if Square intended to have Julia as Ultimecia...like warp the Eyes On Me song into her battle theme, or mention something about Laguna.

But this is an interesting concept, however.

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i just think that Ultimecia is Ultimecia and rinoa is rinoa and julia is julia. no one (except Ultimecia) turns into Ultimecia because laguna said somthing like 'Ultimecia is a sorcoress from many generations in the future where none of us can technically exist'. Ok? do u understand now? rinoa and julia cant be Ultimecia because they would be dead by the time Ultimecia came to exist, its just impossible. sorry im just really sick of seeing these posts about the R=U theory. people say that Ultimecia doesnt appear till the end of the game and think to themselves 'who the hell is Ultimecia?', when infact shes been around since disk 1, while possesing edea and edea says to you she was possed by Ultimecia so your supposed to think 'oh Ultimecia has actually been around since disk 1'...what the heck does that have to do with julia being Ultimecia?? sorry i was rambling about nothing again...

Good theory, but it's there is not enough in the game to support it in my opinion. Like The Abominatrix said, Julia's fate is clearly explained in the game.

Ultimecia is Rinoa...

nuff' said...

your all wrong ultimecia is who she is Ultimecia and Julia is Julia :P Julia died in a car crash general caraway tells you that if you talk to him :P

Also if you went in to the future and then got killed by your future self then Ulti eould cease to exist. R = U and J = U are utter rubbish

Put basically, Ultimecia is a time paradox, desperately trying to alter fate. Technically, she does not exist. She is everything and nothing. The entire plot of Final Fantasy VIII is an unending circle, played out over time and space.

SeeD triumph over Ultimecia. Squall and Ultimecia go into the past, Edea receives Ultimecia’s powers. Squall gives Edea the idea of SeeD and Garden and travels back to HIS present reality. Edea is possessed by the Ultimecia of HER reality. Events of the game. SeeD triumph over Ultimecia. Rinse and repeat.

Why all this? What does Ultimecia wish to accomplish? Simply to survive - to do this, she has to destroy SeeD or more specifically the “fated children” (Squall etc…), the ones destined to kill her. Time Compression is the edge of the coin that lets Ultimecia manipulate the flow of destiny, in an attempt to change her fate. Anything is possible during this event.

“I am Ultimecia. Time shall compress. All existence denied!”

Each time she is defeated, Ultimecia goes into the past to give her powers to Edea, so that she can try again in that timeline, remember she dies in the past, not in her future hence she technically still exists there (If you built a time machine, went to the past and died while there. You would still exist in the present. The future is Ultimecia’s present). Depending on how you look at it, there is only one Ultimecia or an infinite number of her, transcending time – due to the nature of paradoxes both are theoretically correct.

Obviously SeeD have never failed to stop Time Compression, since if they did, reality as it is known would come to an end (past, present and future). Replaced with a world where only Ultimecia is able to exist.

As for who Ultimecia is, well… simply Ultimecia. Not Rinoa or Julia or anybody other than… Ultimecia. The main reason being what Fallen_Angel said.

You want a game that’s more complicated with this kind of time talk? Try Shadow of Memories/Shadow of Destiny. ^_^

Ah, the paradox rebuttal. True, if Rinoa is Ultimecia, and Ultimecia kills Rinoa, you get a temporal paradox (NOT the other way around, fi Rinoa kills Ultimecia things are dandy fine) But if that happens (as in, everyone gets wiped out), you get a game over.

Then again, if you assume Squall is Laguna's son, then the same goes for LAGUNA dying in the flash backs before he left Winhill. After all, if Laguna dies, he can never have fathered Squall. And nobody here denies that Laguna is Squall's dad right?

Ultimecia doesn't kill Rinoa, so the argument that that is a paradox is irrelevant, since it just doesn't happen, just as Laguna doesn't die, eventhough it can happen in the game. (simply, because a game wher eyou can't lose would be... odd)

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Ultimecia doesn't kill Rinoa, so the argument that that is a paradox is irrelevant, since it just doesn't happen, just as Laguna doesn't die, eventhough it can happen in the game. (simply, because a game wher eyou can't lose would be... odd)

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Ultimecia doesn't kill Rinoa, but she tries to kill Rinoa. Right before the parade, she says something like "let us end this speech with a sacrifice," and she sicks some monsters on Rinoa. She tried to kill her. If Ultimecia was Rinoa, she would know what she once looked like, and she would also know that killings herself in the past would negate her existence in her present. Therefore, it makes absolutely no sense the Ultimecia would try to kill Rinoa unless she in fact is not Rinoa.

Squall is sexy.

Ultimecia is a cyborg sorceress possessed by a computer virus born from the undying consciousness of Sephiroth.

I am happy to see that people here are friendly to different opinions.
So i suppose you don´t mind if I try to argue a little more.
The game says that Julia dies.But after all it says that Seifer dies and later we discover that it was a lie from the Galbadia Republic.So Julia´s death could also be a lie.
Ultimecia cannot be Rinoa nor Quistis nor Selphie because if she kills them she dies.
The only possibilities left were Edea,Raine or Julia.
I am investigating if Julia could be Edea but i have no clue yet.
In Caraways mansion we can see a picture of a woman.
This woman seems to be already possessed.She holds a cup.I think you can see horns on her head with her hair in the background.Could this be Ultimecia? Or Edea?
The place looks like Edea´s house if we take out the mountain.There is a sun and maybe a sea in the background.
It seems to me that characters can exist in Ulti´s time.
My little brother has a farfetched theory on time compression .
He says it was an hologram created by the walls of the Pandora.It never happened.In fact the characters went to Ulti´s time but her castle was inside the Pandora.Ultimecia brings it to her time with SeeD inside.And the final desert/flower event was a dream enabled by Ellone.
However a machine imitated her power and caused the havoc in there.
But in the end Ellone wins over the machine due to Rinoa´s love.

The Galbadians lie about Seifer's death deliberatly, to effect Squall and co. There's no reason for anyone to lie about Julia's death. Also, if Ulti was Julia and say; her death was lied about because she became a sorceress, then she wouldnt need to use Edea to do her dirty work. She could do it herself.
Ulti does NOT need to be anyone we already know. It COULD be any of the girls in the party, because when your party dies you get a game over. Screwed up, start again kinda deal. Obviously the game doesnt continue on if they die. And to note, they dont die in battle, they get KOed. If all your people are KOed, then they couldnt fight back and would be killed, hence the game over.
Ulti is NOT possesed. If she was, who is possesing her?
If the picture if in the Caraway mansion, it's probably Julia. I havent noticed anything like horns.

The picture is obviously from Julia .
MAYBE Julia is Edea so the person who possess her (let´s name her X) uses Ultimecia as an excuse for Edea being possessed.Maybe Ulti was a "last hour" excuse.X only has to change Edea´s appearance a little in the "future".
Who is X? I think i know the answer to that but i am not sure so i will not post.It could look crazy here.
I really think that Edea was still possessed in the third disc.X imitates her personality.
Eventualy Seed will find her again as Ultimecia.

Julia isnt Edea. Edea has her own backstory. Edea was married to Cid while Julia was married to General Caraway.

The game also clearly explains that Edea is possesed by Ulti. Edea is eventually freed from that posession, which is clear because if not she wouldnt have helped the party.

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Ulti is NOT possesed. If she was, who is possesing her?

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Exactly. The game would not have ended the way it did if there was someone possessing her.

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The only possibilities left were Edea,Raine or Julia.

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I truly doubt it's Edea. When you enter time compression, (SPOILER)you see all of the dead bodies of future SeeDs...also she wouldn't have hated them if she was the creator of the idea of SeeDs.

Raine...I also doubt this theory. Squall is her son, and I would think that she would have a little more consideration towards him before trying to kill him.

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This woman seems to be already possessed.She holds a cup.I think you can see horns on her head with her hair in the background.Could this be Ultimecia? Or Edea?
The place looks like Edea´s house if we take out the mountain.There is a sun and maybe a sea in the background.

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How does she seem to be possessed? She's only holding a cup, and there aren't any horns on her. She was just a statue of a woman, which could be Julia, but there weren't any signs that she was possessed. And the landscape...If Square was trying to suggest that, they would have put something more relevant in there so that we could really see Edea's orphanage. A sun and a sea could be anywhere.

Sorry, but I still don't see the relationship between Ultimecia and Julia. I agree with SeeDRankLou, TragicFaustus, and Fallen_Angel. Ultimecia is an individual seperate from the other characters.

"Edea was married to Cid while Julia was married to General Caraway"
Eureka.
There is a major secret phenomena in FF8 named "Well Organised Time Compression".
I have realised this phenomena.And it´s impossible to understand what is really happening in FF8 unless you understand WOTC.It´s a necessary key phenomena.
I can send you a PM explaining it if you wanna me to.But don´t write it on the forums PLEASE.
By the way Edea wanna to convince Squall to send Rinoa to Space.She also wanna to prevent Zell from reaching the hardcore of Pandora.That is why she helps them.That way she can free Adel.

Edea doesnt want Adel freed. Edea wants to stay free.

You're going off on silly tangents here. Edea and Julia are not the same person. The game makes that abundantly clear.

What reason would Edea have for wanting Adel free? Remember in the game, (SPOILER)she accidently gives Rinoa her powers (in Esthar, visiting Dr. Odine). If anything, she would know that the event happened and possess Rinoa instead of Adel at that time. That doesn't make any sense.

And the Well-Organised-Time-Compression is secret, but it's a key factor? The story seemed clear enough to me, even if it was complicated.

Just to finish.
When I made theories about FF8 I do the following:
1-I look into the dialogues.
2-I look into graphical details
3-I look into events
4-I assume that not every dialogue is thruth
5-I use the graphical details and the events as my final authority on deciding thruth.

Example:

Squall (in FH)-President Deling is dead.

In Deling´s residence we see his body lying on the floor.His body seems to have a lot of energy.And most important HIS EYE BLINKS.
Of course the people down there can´t see his body.And Squall believed in the general opinion.People only see Edea throwing the President high in the air.
So graphical details show that he is alive and the dialogue says he isn´t.
Of course I prefer to believe in the first.Dialogues are useful to reach thruth and interpret events but are never absolute thruths.
So the Sorceress uses regen on Deling (and some revive magic).We can also see a graphical detail about this.
So if there is a dialogue that shows that Ulti is not Julia I will only believe the graphical details that show she is.The dialogues then were lies.

Woah. I'm an English major, basically a trained foot soldier in dissecting textual and contexual evidence, and even I think you are reading WAY too much into things here.

When I read your first post about Ulty possibly being Julia, I didn't believe you, but yet I thought it was an interesting idea and thought that the evidence you suggested was thought-provoking, although ultimately flawed - even IF Julia were alive, even IF she became Ulty, what is her MOTIVE?

Let's pretend we are a jury and Ulty is on trial for attempting to destory the world. But no one knows who Ulty really is. So the lawyers (in this case, you) start accusing people, like Rinoa, or Ellone, or Julia, or whatnot, with circumstanial evidence, but without irrefutable evidence and plausible motive, there is no way we could convict anyone.

Let's be logical:
What is Ulty trying to do?
Cause Time Compression.
What is that?
A world in which only she can exist.
Why the hell would she want to do that? Because she needs some quality alone time? Some summer reading to catch up on?
The only logical answer is the one TragicFaustus so brilliantly gave. That she can't survive otherwise.
Suddenly, the evil sorceress dooming the world to repeat this endless cycle makes sense. She wants to be freed from this cycle as well. She wants to exist. And the only way she can do that is to keep repeating the cycle until she wins.
Now, none of the people in the game's present - Rinoa, Julia, ect, have any problem existing the the world at its current state. In fact, were Ulty to succeed, they would all be destroyed (Including Julia if the game lied and she were still alive).
So in essence, because EVERYONE but Sorceress Ulty would be destroyed during Time Compression, the paradox twist works for ANY character, living or dead, past or future, NOT just Rinoa. Granted, the game ends if you are KO'd, but its enough that Ulty should not even TRY to kill herself. Therefore, because she attempts to compress time, an act which would kill all characters other than herself, Ulty CANNOT be anyone other than Ulty.
Square just screwed up having a villian who shows up so late in the story that we want to believe that there' more to her than that. There isn't.
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Woah. I'm an English major, basically a trained foot soldier in dissecting textual and contexual evidence, and even I think you are reading WAY too much into things here.

When I read your first post about Ulty possibly being Julia, I didn't believe you, but yet I thought it was an interesting idea and thought that the evidence you suggested was thought-provoking, although ultimately flawed - even IF Julia were alive, even IF she became Ulty, what is her MOTIVE?

Let's pretend we are a jury and Ulty is on trial for attempting to destory the world. But no one knows who Ulty really is. So the lawyers (in this case, you) start accusing people, like Rinoa, or Ellone, or Julia, or whatnot, with circumstanial evidence, but without irrefutable evidence and plausible motive, there is no way we could convict anyone.

Let's be logical:
What is Ulty trying to do?
Cause Time Compression.
What is that?
A world in which only she can exist.
Why the hell would she want to do that? Because she needs some quality alone time? Some summer reading to catch up on?
The only logical answer is the one TragicFaustus so brilliantly gave. That she can't survive otherwise.
Suddenly, the evil sorceress dooming the world to repeat this endless cycle makes sense. She wants to be freed from this cycle as well. She wants to exist. And the only way she can do that is to keep repeating the cycle until she wins.
Now, none of the people in the game's present - Rinoa, Julia, ect, have any problem existing the the world at its current state. In fact, were Ulty to succeed, they would all be destroyed (Including Julia if the game lied and she were still alive).
So in essence, because EVERYONE but Sorceress Ulty would be destroyed during Time Compression, the paradox twist works for ANY character, living or dead, past or future, NOT just Rinoa. Granted, the game ends if you are KO'd, but its enough that Ulty should not even TRY to kill herself. Therefore, because she attempts to compress time, an act which would kill all characters other than herself, Ulty CANNOT be anyone other than Ulty.
Square just screwed up having a villian who shows up so late in the story that we want to believe that there' more to her than that. There isn't.
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Excellent post...I agree with every word.

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In Deling´s residence we see his body lying on the floor.His body seems to have a lot of energy.And most important HIS EYE BLINKS.

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Every character blinks in the game...I think it was more of a technical thing on Square's part. The energy you see is from the spell Edea used. When the body first hit the stairs, the energy spouted up...Kinda like smoke from a fire.

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So the Sorceress uses regen on Deling (and some revive magic).We can also see a graphical detail about this.

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When did Edea use regen on Deling? I could have sworn that she left his dead body lying on the stairs...

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4-I assume that not every dialogue is thruth
5-I use the graphical details and the events as my final authority on deciding thruth

So if there is a dialogue that shows that Ulti is not Julia I will only believe the graphical details that show she is.The dialogues then were lies.

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But you know that not everything is like that. If someone walked up to you and told you their friend thought that you had a nice shirt, would you instantly call them a liar because their friend didn't compliment you to your face? Not every person is lying if someone relays the message. While I agree that things aren't always the way they seem, in my opinion, one shouldn't knock something right off the bat.

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(simply, because a game wher eyou can't lose would be... odd)

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You can lose in FF8? :p

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Ultimecia is a cyborg sorceress possessed by a computer virus born from the undying consciousness of Sephiroth.

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Who goes back in time with her horde of mutant ninjas to kidnap the president. Are you a bad enough dude to save the president?

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Who goes back in time with her horde of mutant ninjas to kidnap the president. Are you a bad enough dude to save the president?

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Quistis is certainly one bad dude...
This proves that Quistis is Ultimecia. They even have similar hairstyles; and Ultimecia's nihilistic evilness can be seen as a natural result of (SPOILER)Squall's rejection.

... O_o

This is one whacked theory.

I guess I can add more to this .... theory.

It may be possible that Ultemcia possessed Julia at some point. Squall's mother was Raine, right? Look at it this way. Ultemcia obviously knows what the future, past, present it, cause she just has that sort of power. So she knows that her own demise will come from Squall.

Lets take a step back to the Piano scene with Julia. Now, until that scene was shown into the main characters' heads, Julia had not taken a real interest in Laguna. Now, Ultimecia, knowing Laguna and Raine would conceive Squall, she would wish to stop this. So she tried to pursuade Laguna from continuing his 'adventures.' Laguna wanted to write books, but Julia (Ultimecia) wanted Laguna to settle down; Laguna wouldn't have that. This was an attemp to capture Laguna's heart so that Laguna and Raine would never meet and conceive Squall.

Ultimecia's attempt obviously failed. Laguna and Raine then met, whereas Laguna settled down for a bit. But it wasn't until he had actually left that Raine discovered she was pregnant (with Squall). It would then be that Raine could not raise Squall, and would then give Squall to Matron at the Orphanage. Then, once again, Ultimecia would make another attempt to kill Squall, in hopes that she would survive.

Ultimecia would do this by possessing Matron (Edea) and thus, letting her subconcious continue to live. This would later fail, as we find Matron losing her possessed spirit, and becoming a normal human once again.

BUT! Here is where there is very strong evidence that Ultimecia continues to jump from one person to another, still keeping the goal of killing Squall.

Remember when Rinoa became possessed? Ultimecia KNEW that Rinoa was really Squall's love interest; what better way to get the chance to kill him than to possess someone he feels close to? However, knowing Rinoa did not have such powers, Ultimecia would use Rinoa as a vessel.

Rinoa then unlocked Adel, who would then become possessed by Ultimecia. And in the process, Rinoa is feeling the same effects that Matron did once Ultimecia left her soul.

Now, this is where the tide really turns against Ultimecia. Adel was her last resort, to this point, before time compression. If Adel were to die, then Ultimecia would have nothing left to lose, and have to fight by herself. After time compression began, players were treated to those freaky sorceresses, basically just enemies.

We come into another interesting and pivitol position. See, Squall had the lion spirit in him. The Pride. Now that Ultimecia had nothing left, no other vessels to control, she decided to take control of Squall's inner most ambitions and strengths: that happened to spawn Griever.

Once Griever was defeated, the only thing left was two more forms that Ultimecia could take.

And, in the end, Squall never kills Ultimecia, but the cycle continues.

And that, my friends, is how Ultimecia is Ultimecia, and everyone else is still everyone else.

So, in short, the whole timeline is based on Ultimecia's failed attempts to kill Squall.

Edit by Big D: Please don't double-post, use the 'edit/delete' button to amend what you've written.

I was kidding about the "Quistis=Ultimecia" thing.
I believe Ultimecia is Ultimecia, not anyone else. A sorceress born in the future, who inherited powers - and possibly a couple of memories - from a sorceress who got them from a sorceress, and so on back to the sorceress who got the powers from Rinoa.

Pick any character at random, and you can make a theory about how they're 'actually' Ultimecia; however, any such theory depends on two things: (1) that all sorceresses can alter their appearace (Adel is the only one who is known to do that in the game), and (2) that sorceresses do not age. Edea's youthful beauty does not prove this; all Square characters have smooth skin and shiny hair, even Grand Maester Mika in FFX.

Theory #211: Fujin=Ultimecia! They both have silver hair, and a similar stature. You see, Fujin secretly admired Squall; having her feelings crushed by Rinoa drove her into madness, so she found a sorceress and took her powers, eventually becoming Ultimecia. Remember the parade in Deling City? Ultimecia, using Edea, tried to kill Rinoa. This proves beyong any doubt that Rinoa cannot be Ultimecia, and that Fujin actually is.:p

Theory #212: Mog=Ultimecia! Moogles are second-class citizens in the FFVIII world; we know this because MiniMog (from the PocketStation game) and Ms Moogle are the only moogles mentioned in the whole game. Ms Moogle owns a coffee shop that Selphie liked. A menial job, serving the selfish desires of humans. Clearly, Ultimecia is a moogle who wanted revenge on humanity. What better revenge than compressing time to become a Goddess and absorbing all creation?

I must confess it´s a good theory.But why would Squall try to kill Ultimecia?
I think you are suggesting that Ultimecia wanna to kill Squall JUST to survive.
But even if there is a cycle that cycle must have a beggining.And I don´t see any beggining on Ulti´s cicle.

The beginning of her cycle is where her physical form ends.

perhaps in squall's child attempts to kill her in the future or something? and, R=U wouldn't work cause you can use Rinoa in the fight with Ultimecia, even if she could do that, think about it. in movies and other what not, when someone goes back/forwards in time, they can't come in contact with thereselves, basic stuff kinda. so R=U is possible, but not probable

The reason people in movies can't come in contact with themselves is to avoid the writers having to deal with potential paradoxes and so the SFX crew doesn't have to put two copies of the same person on the same screen. There's no real reason for it.

I understand this secret well organized time compression fairly well. You see, there are 4 simultaneous 24 hour days within a single 24 hour rotation of Earth, and Garden's evil educators suppress Cubic Creation and preach evil singularity to dumb students. Creation of 4 simultaneous 24 hour days, within a single rotation of Earth, empowers Ultimecia above all 1-day gods and educated stupid scientists. I will wager $10,000.00 on it.

Well, this is a game, not a movie, so we can make 1,000's of copies of Rinoas if we wished. :)

And with current technology, they can certainly do that in movies.

generally when people talk about movie time travel they are talking about Back to The Future, and in this case Doc's warnings against meeting your future self. Of course, this ignores the fact that Biff spends a good deal of time talking to his younger self, and actually hits him if I remember correctly.

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Now, none of the people in the game's present - Rinoa, Julia, ect, have any problem existing the the world at its current state. In fact, were Ulty to succeed, they would all be destroyed (Including Julia if the game lied and she were still alive).
So in essence, because EVERYONE but Sorceress Ulty would be destroyed during Time Compression, the paradox twist works for ANY character, living or dead, past or future, NOT just Rinoa. Granted, the game ends if you are KO'd, but its enough that Ulty should not even TRY to kill herself. Therefore, because she attempts to compress time, an act which would kill all characters other than herself, Ulty CANNOT be anyone other than Ulty.

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If Ultimecia were, say Rinoa, and she was so twisted by insanity, AND has used GFs a long time, it's perfectly plausible that she could forget her past, even what she used to look like.

I mean, Squall forgot his entire childhood after a few years of GF usage, and since Ultimecia lives "many generations" into the future, even if she'd only used GFs for a third of that time, it'd be enough to, coupled with ther insanity, make sure she had no memories of the past.

Moving on, THERE IS NO CYCLE.
Ellone says the past can't change. Assuming she isn't lying(which seems ridiculous), that means what it means.

If the past can't change, the only loop you'd get would be if you decided to stay with little Squall when Ultimecia gives her powers to Edea, but that's merely the kind of "loop" you get when watching a video over and over again(if that is the kind of loop you're talking about, then forget this).
Ultimecia dies, and that's that.
Ultimecia MAY go back to the past in order to try and change her destiny, but she can't, because time won't change.

http://www.slimits.com/ultimecia.html

Something I wrote on Rinoa being Ultimecia. Also includes a rather long bit on Time Loops and the likes.

JULIA IS DEAD!!! she died in a car crash i think...not sure about that one...But she is definately dead..
Ultimecia is just some crackpot old sorceress who woke up one day and said "i think ill take over the world today..."

Man, is it really necessary to dig up all these old topics and revive them???

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Man, is it really necessary to dig up all these old topics and revive them???

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I was wondering that myself. Also, notice the author of every thread he's brought back... Is this against the rules, or is it just bad manners? If it is against the rules, I'd Warn this guy immediately. Ah, what the heck, I'll Warn him anyway. If it's not against the rules, I'm sure I'll be told that soon.

Don't revive dead threads, please. If the thread is over 3-4 months old (in one of the gaming forums) I would let it be and make a new one.

And the rest of you behave.