Hmm. Finally somthing different then Farhenheit 9/11...
http://www.citizensunited-interactive.org/c41.11/
discuss.
to bad its in selected theaters. :(
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Hmm. Finally somthing different then Farhenheit 9/11...
http://www.citizensunited-interactive.org/c41.11/
discuss.
to bad its in selected theaters. :(
Ah. So some conservative propaganda to counter Moore's liberal propaganda, I see.
This shouldn't change how people will vote, just like Fahrenheit 9/11 didn't. Conservatives will flock to this the same way liberals did 9/11. I'm still voting Kerry, this isn't going to change it.
Could've had a better title, if you ask me.
Actually, there is alot of people that have changed there view points due to Michael Moore's propagandaa.Quote:
his shouldn't change how people will vote, just like Fahrenheit 9/11 didn't.
Well, statistically it didn't. I know it didn't change mine. I was already voting Kerry anyway. I don't like him, but I'd rather have him than Bush's administration.
Anyone who's mind was changed by Fahrenheit 9/11 is an idiot. People. This stuff's been on the news every night for two, three years. If you needed that shrill bastard to condense it for you, you need to pay more attention to the world around you.
Saw this at ASC already. Like I said there, I'm glad it's anti-Moore but dislike it because it's pro-Bush. I'd post the comic I posted there but y'know the whole inappropriateness thing.
This movie looks like the whole purpose is to discredit a person who isn't even running for office. It doesn't look like it attacks Kerry or Bush in anyway but attacks Moore.
Ross Perot "Now thats just sad."
I also think the title is stupid ;) Terrible...F.
Michael Moore was right about one thing. "There is no terrorist threat"
Bwahahaha xDQuote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
People in Madrid thought that exactly. New-Yorkers too. Here's my answer to the "there's no terrorist threat":
Typical republican scare tactics. Yes, there is a terrorist threat - but the threat will only get bigger as long as Bush's retaliatory tactics continue.
Of-course. Let's just roll over and die. 'Cause it's a known fact that terrorists and other bullies always stop harassing you when you don't retaliate.Quote:
Yes, there is a terrorist threat - but the threat will only get bigger as long as Bush's retaliatory tactics continue.
Did it work for you in school?
Actually, we have been in terrorist threat for 30 years.You know there is more terrorism in the world than Al Quaeda.Quote:
Originally Posted by EndlessBwahahaha xD
People in Madrid thought that exactly. New-Yorkers too. Here's my answer to the "there's no terrorist threat":
Yeah, it did, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
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Yeah, it did, actually.
Well, it never worked for me, or anyone else I know, and I've tried that tactic for a good while. It was not untill the end of the eigth grade, when I started working out and gained some 20 pounds of muscle, after I hung and choked one of them against the lockers, that I finally got left alone. Impotence is not a good thing to portray infront of those who appreciate and recognise nothing but strength.
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Originally Posted by Shadow Nexus
Yes I do. I mean, we have the corsicans and the basques here. And we had islamic fundamentalists blow up subways a few years back too. But what I mean, blindfolding yourself into "there is no terrorist threat" is foolish. There has been threats for a long time, and there will be for even longer. Now, knowing that, you can choose to let it run your life ("scare tactics" as scogs put it), or you can choose to live and show determination (pretty much any government's choice to not negociate with hostage takers for example) to show that you're not going to let them get their way (making us leave in fear or pushing us into submission). Putting your hands on your ears and singing lalalala isn't going to make terrorists disappear.
Thre is a terrorist threat. However, I believe it is being exagerated for electoral reasons.
And I don't like the way it's being dealt with. I don't think starting wars is going to decrease the threat: quite opposite.
We haven't started a war, we're simply fighting it.Quote:
I don't think starting wars is going to decrease the threat: quite opposite.
Yeah, remember when Saddam Hussein flew them planes into them there towers? This is just retaliation. USA! USA!
the New York Times has a great review of this movie. Of course, the New York Times is just a party organ for Democrats, so you can't trust anything it says.
Michael Moore is a fat bastard and whoever made this Celsius 41.11 bullprobably is too.
No, I don't remember that. But I remember when he gave 25,000 dollars to families of suicide bombers, I remember when he gassed Kurds, I remember when he murdered hundreds of thousands, I remember when he experimented with biological and chemical weapons, and I remember when he almost had nuclear weapons.Quote:
Yeah, remember when Saddam Hussein flew them planes into them there towers?
Having said that, this isn't about Saddam Hussein, Al Quaeda, or even Bin Laden. Those are just figures, people that stand for something - something that has put a goal to fight the Western world. Now, that's war. You can shove your head in the sand and hope that your arse doesn't get kicked... or you can do what's right.
"War is upon you, whether you're willing to risk it or not."
I remember when America gave billions of American tax money to autocratic regimes (including Saddam), remember when America carpet bombed already oppressed people, remember when America murdered millions, remember when America expirimented with biological and chemical weapons, and I remember how America has nuclear weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
Hypocracy is running all too rampant in the country.
Not quite. Yes, defend yourself. But there's a difference between:Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
1) defending yourself from the bully,
2) beating up the bully, beating up the bully's friends, beating up anyone who was ever nice to the bullies and beating anyone who happens to resemble the bully.
Follow the second course of action, and hey - guess what you are?
gosh dont remember any of thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Turk
america is a country. what some people within it decide to do shouldn't be a cause to group all the people there into one omnipotently evil entity.
I'm glad someone here has some sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not At All Reno
Actually, it's a continent :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Not At All Reno
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Originally Posted by War Angel
Well Im glad u remember all that, just dont forget who gave him the weapons to gas the Kurds, the worlds greatest friend and defender of freedom, the all powerful self declared policemen of the world, thats right im talking about the United States oF America.
Also remember that we never went to war over any of that. We didnt go because Hussein gassed the Kurds, We didnt go because he gave money to people to blow themselves up in Israel, we didnt go to war because he killed his own people, we didnt go to war because he had used chemical/biological weapons, and we also didnt go because he ALMOST had nuclear weapons.
Saddam was a bad man. I wasnt happy that he was in power, but im much less happy that 1100 American soliders have died without a cause and more are dying everyday. And its been estimated that 20,000 Iraqis have also died since this war began. And the fact that we made Israel alittle safer doesnt help me sleep at night, i dont know about the rest of u.
Using the bullies don't bug you if you don't fight back tactic isn't good. It's far more effective to break the guy's nose than to do nothing and let the guy bug you every day.
threads about the us of a. im assuming everyone will catch that as me meaning the country, since, you know, it is often referred to as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Nexus
Yeah, I know, but I get kinda irked when I read "America" when we are talking about USA. It's not like there are no other countries in America. I can understand the use of "american" to refer to stuff from USA, because there is not a better term, but I dunno...using America to refer to a country is like calling France...Europe.
i c your point
sry
OK EVERYONE BACK ON TOPIC
i like how they have videos of torture and execution in the trailers even
How can they put those vile clips up knowing American administrations funded the Taliban and brought Saddam Hussein to power? Knowing what happens in Guantanomo Bay and Iraqi prisons?
They and American administrations are part of the same seven headed dragon.
Oh, also watch Fahrenhype 911 :D
Though I should warn you that regardless of what 'documentary' you watch, it is likely you'll just agree with whoever you side with. I found myself liking Bush more and more as I watched Fhype 911, while I didn't really care after watching Fheit 911
Oh yeah, Fahernhype 9/11 is better the celsius 41.11.
I don't see where Ferinheight 9/11 was bad, "propaganda", or "lies" at all...so I don't get what the hell is being talked about. At the same time, it didn't tell me anything I wasn't already aware of, nor did it change my views. I liked the fact that someone is actually willing to stand up and make a film like that. Call me an idiot if you want.
Also, do people not realize if, say, this whole "terrorism" thing were a reality, that YOUR GIVING THEM EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT!?!? Geez, TERRORist, TERROR! AHHHH! It doesn't take a Masters Degree in latin to figure that out. If theres any way you people could be giving these guys more of a boner everyday please let me know. And I still don't get why we haven't bombed ourselves yet...was Tim McVhey not a terrorist? What about the KKK? The Neo Nazis? They all exsist right here LEGALLY in the United States...I swear everytime I hear the word terrorism, "war on terror", I get sick and feel like exploding.
And War Angel, when I learned to ignore dumbasses and no longer give them my negative attention like they wanted me to they left me the hell alone...it did work.
Anyway, this film looks stupid, it has a poor title, and it doesn't seem to have a point other than giving Michael Moore more publicity. Good job idiots. :p
Idiot.Quote:
Call me an idiot if you want.
Then I suggest you watch it again. :)Quote:
I don't see where Ferinheight 9/11 was bad, "propaganda", or "lies" at all
Surprisingly, I agree. Submitting to terrorism is bad, and panicking is even worse. Also, going on a crusade before your own turf is clean seems rather hypocritical to me, as well.Quote:
Also, do people not realize if, say, this whole "terrorism" thing were a reality, that YOUR GIVING THEM EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT!?!? Geez, TERRORist, TERROR! AHHHH! It doesn't take a Masters Degree in latin to figure that out. If theres any way you people could be giving these guys more of a boner everyday please let me know. And I still don't get why we haven't bombed ourselves yet...was Tim McVhey not a terrorist? What about the KKK? The Neo Nazis? They all exsist right here LEGALLY in the United States...I swear everytime I hear the word terrorism, "war on terror", I get sick and feel like exploding.
The war on terror is about as "real" as the war on cancer. In other words, it isn't.
Yup. They're all holograms, all those troops, ships, and airplanes. And all those families that claim to have lost loved ones? Damn liers. The goverment pays them handsomely, I tell ya.Quote:
The war on terror is about as "real" as the war on cancer. In other words, it isn't.
Also, all those scientists working on treatments and cures for the various forms of Cancer - all lies. All those people that go through chimotherapy and lose hair, all the donations to hospitals... it's all bogus.
Ok...that was my fault. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
Just did...still don't see where all these lies and propaganda are.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
I don't see what makes me an idiot though, simply for liking some of the actions Michael Moore has taken. I'm not saying that film is 100% true, or that its free of bias, or that its even right on everything. But I still don't see the lies or anything.
Then again it doesn't matter what my opinions or thoughts are because SOMEONE seems to call me an idiot for it. :(
I have no reason or intent to see any of these movies as it's all just spin toward one's own political ideology. Watch it if you want, but realize that, just as F 9/11 was, this is a person's opinions and NOT fact. The truth is almost always somewhere in between, neither side is always correct and neither side is always wrong.
Take care all.
Indeed. I just watched because I wanted to, not because I thought it'd support my views. I won't watch this one because it doesn't look or sound very credible. Plus, its like a cheap knockoff. Its kinda the same feeling I had when Armageddon came out and Deep Impact. I went and saw Armageddon but I had no intent on seeing Deep Impact. This is the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Captain
