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I hear there voteing on it. there economys bad so they need people to move their. I heard it has no hope of being passed though. Beer is much more dangerous than weed and if someone wants to argue that just give up cause your wrong. I really hope weed becomes legal. That would kick ass. You could probobly get high living their.
P.S. Im soin high so i have no idea what the hell im saying
Edit by Kishi: Effing double-posting hippies.
It really should be legal. However, the pharmacutical companies would lose profits if people could grow their own pain killers in their back yards. And since the rich have the power, and tha pharmacutical companies are rich, we probably won't be seeing weed legalized any time soon.
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the pharmacutical companies would lose profits
That's all to true.
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Originally Posted by Carnage
And why not?
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Originally Posted by CarnageP.S. Im so
Hahaha. I see what you mean... But what about those few people who actually get high to feel good, rather than to be cool?
Life is beautiful without lying to your body. If you need drugs to "feel good" then it's not drugs you need, it's a new perspective on your life.
Healthcare costs would go up for sure :(
All I know is that if marijuana is ever legalized, I will immediately invest in Frito Lay and Visine.
At least you have a respectable opinion on the issue, unlike most people.Quote:
Life is beautiful without lying to your body. If you need drugs to "feel good" then it's not drugs you need, it's a new perspective on your life.
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Originally Posted by Glendon
I was gonna say that too. Why need visine if it's legal? I really thin they should legalize it. It would cut down on drug trafficing and maybe even lightin up some of the gang tensions since they wouldnt need to sell weed (but they still would sell coke and crack and the such) I have never been so high I didn't know what I was saying or anything like that. Actually I have never been in anacident while high and let me tell you I drive a lot when I'm high. The 3 times I have been in accidents I was totaly sober. The only downside I've had from smoking weed is loss of memeory but I remember things just fine when I'm not stoned.
I still think people would buy it, including the people who started smoking after legalization. Unless most do not mind having dry bloodshot eyes.
I gotta agree with Necro.
Even if weed was legal in Alaska, you'd have to be a super junkie to actually want to live there! LoL.
I used to get high all the time but never used visine, ever. I told myself if your gonna be high then be proud of it. Honestly, I quit to join the Army but can't say whether I'll do it when I get out or not. Most people think of stoners as the stereotypical I'm so high and stupid and have no idea whats going on but that's not how it really is with a lot of people. At least from what I've seen, but for all I know, maybe that isn't the norm and I just hung out with a differant type of stoner. I do know that it is definately possible to smoke pot and not be a druggy. You can stay in control if you only have the will to. People that don't do drugs automatically think, oh, he smokes pot, he;s a pothead. The ones that do it know that there's people who smoke for fun, people who smoke socially, and then the druggies.
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Yeah I guess I wouldn't know about any of this being as how I didn't smoke marijuana for 3-4 years of my life. Oh wait, yes I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by theundeadhero
Chicago is considering decriminalizing it. That way you only get a ticket like in Canada. Appearantly almost all the cases get thrown out or the person doesn't show up. On top of that there is all the police overtime.
Whoring is legal here. That doesn't mean it's ethical. Meh.
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Originally Posted by Necronopticous
10,000 people can't be wrong! Seriously though, some people can stay in control and some can't. It's possible. Not everyone who does drugs is an adddict.Quote:
Originally Posted by necronopticous
How am i cool i was alone in my basementQuote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
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Originally Posted by theundeadhero
If you're arguing that doing drugs is okay as long as you're not addicted to them well then I feel sorry for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by theundeadhero
Case a) I'm addicted to drugs, so I do them
Case b) I'm not addicted to to drugs, so I do them
I'm not against drugs because they're bad for your health. I'm not going to argue that one drug is "worse" than another because they're all the same. Smoking a joint is just like injecting a few hits of herion into your bloodstream in my opinion. I'm against them because they distort perception and are the most efficient way to lie to yourself. To willingly subject yourself to that is totally asinine behavior. Being addicted, whether the drug will kill you or not, these things don't matter to me at all. If you're stupid enough to take part in something you know can kill you, you deserve to die.
Smoking and Drinking are worse than Teh WEED. Legalize and tax the $#!7 out of it.
Actually they're exactly the same. They're worse for your health but so is eating fatty foods.Quote:
Originally Posted by TasteyPies
Drinking is worse than weed and ciggarettes together.
I'd have to agree with Necro here. Except this:
I don't think anyone should be able to make that decision. I think that they should be able to live, face the consequences of their actions. Maybe even realize that they could be doing much better things, then distorting everything. Maybe it's just me, but I like to be in complete control of myself, 100% of the time. That's also why I don't want to start drinking. On my mother's side of the family, no joke---they're almost ALL alcoholics. I have that tendency toward it, so Iv'e amde that choice---I won't even start. Not even one sip. It always starts out small, and leads to bigger things. In MOST cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Necronopticous
I've been around those people before. My last boyfriend and his friends were big into weed. Breaking up and getting away from him was one of the best things I've ever done. They were always worried about not passing their drug tests; they fail almost all of their classes; they don't know what's going on half the time. Who wants to be like that? My ex's friend (who I'll call Mike) actually tried to kill himself, when he was high. His friends actually egged him on, saying "Do it! Do it!" when he was about to slit his wrists. Yes, I know that he was depressed, and might have, probably would have, tried to do it when he was sober too---but who knows? Most people think of stoners as the stereotypical I'm so high and stupid and have no idea whats going on because in most cases, it's true. Getting away from the drugs was, in my opinion, was a very good idea. I don't want to be involved with that anymore. It screws up lives, and the lives of others who aren't even doing it.
I know from personal experience that convincing you of it is next to impossible :p so...just read what I wrote, take it in, form an opinion about it, whatever. It wasn't supposed to be rude, or anything like that---just stating what I think. So....I DON'T think that it should be legalized, in a nutshell.
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Necronopticous, I love you. You've argued everything in this thread so well. I think, though, some people need to learn to read more carefully:
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I'm not going to argue that one drug is "worse" than another because they're all the same
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Smoking and Drinking are worse than Teh WEED. Legalize and tax the $#!7 out of it.
Seriously, folks...no.Quote:
Drinking is worse than weed and ciggarettes together.
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Originally Posted by kikimm
Well this is my usual argument for these types of things. It's my body so why should you or anyone else tell me how to use it or what o do with it? I mean it is mine and mine alone.
Maybe you don't know many people on drugs. Personally, I have lived my entire life in the same household as drug addicts and junkies. Drug use isn't a personal thing by nature. It effects everyone who the user is involved with consciously and unconsciously. The intent is not to tell you what to do with your own body but rather to inform everyone that drugs are a fake escape from what can be a beautiful experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShlupBert
My father has been smoking pot for over 30 years, has beed on every drug except heroin was addicted to coke, is an alcoholic as well is my grandfather. I know about drugs.
I would hope that would be some sort of influence not to get involved with drugs yourself. But like you said, it's your body; it's your life.
And thats exactly why I dont drink very much (sicne I came to college I've been drunk 3 times which makes and 8 times my entire life)I dont use any other drugs besides marijuana and cigearetts.
If you don't want to do drugs then don't. It becoming legal doesn't mean that you have to do it. Lots of people don't drink. The part about suicide= bad experience. I could say this and it would be the same thing. A friend of mine was eating some chicken and he started choking on a bone. All the people around him were laughing because they thought it was funny he was choking. I hate chicken now. Blame the people, not the drugs or chickens.
You missed the part right after that where I said "Seriously though..."Quote:
Originally Posted by necronopticous
Are you against colored contacts and hair dye too. They distort other peoples perception of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by necronopticous
I'm not saying drugs are okay because some people don't get addicted. I'm saying not everyone looses the ability to control themselves or becomes a complete idiot. It's possible to do drugs and have a prductive useful life.
Taking part in things that can kill you. Driving cars can kill you. Taking a bath can kill you. Eating chicken can kill you. It doesn't kill you by staying in control of the situation.
Kikimm, I totally agree and am happy with you for deciding not to drink. You don't think you can control the situation so you don't do it. You to Shlupbert.
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This has nothing to do with what other people think of you or anyone else. You missed the point and I don't care to explain how, it's very clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by theundeadhero
Refer to the boldface in the second quote in this post. Everything you said in your last post I've already addressed in previous posts. I love message boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by theundeadhero
I really think theundeadhero made a good point. And how the hell is a joint compared to heroin? wtf? there nothing alike. you can overdose on heroin you cant on weed. They're nothing alike.
I'm tired of repeating myself, instead of continuing to ask the same questions try to understand what I said in the first place.
They're both drugs. They both harm people---you, or others, mentally or physically.
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I do understand but, they are NOTHING ALIKE. heroin kills people pot doesn't people dont turn into junkies from weed.
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Originally Posted by ShlupBert
But it's the truth. You don't see the common pothead out stealing things and breaking into cars. They sit in theit house and watch TV and eat or play video games.
We don't agree, so we don' agree. Just don't hate me in other posts for my opinion in this one, ok?
The Necronopticous takes 6758 points of damage.
The Necronopticous is too mentally exhausted to continue.
as am I.
Oh, to me weed is more or less like wine, you know, substances that can be used sometimes to alter and or multiply individuality, create a certain sensation of pleasure that, if abused, can be a disaster.
Of course, I cannot deny it is a risky substance, as is any alcoholic drink anyway. As Barbeau said, intelligent men do not need the use of such substances to arise from the vulgarity, yet however, I would say the reaching of such status in a natural way is very different to the artificial paradises created by consuming soft drugs. The sensation of plenitude, too, was easier to find in another time, not in the dehumanized modern industrialized society, where oftenly the use of such substances is the only way to attain a peace of mind, mainly because the object and the subject are too far away to feel in any harmony.
In fact, marijuana dosen't make me act like an idiot and go like "lolz i am soooo h¡gh i am crazyyy lolz". In fact, quite opposite, first I laugh, but then comes a very deep sensation of calm, and I feel my sensitivity and capacity of abstraction enchaced to the point I can almost feel what I think. It shines a new perspective on things without disorting them into dadaism. In fact, it opens the cage of logic and creates the harmony between object and subject, it makes you the hypnotizer and the hypnotized, the cause and the effect, it removes the noise from the mind and becomes a temporary but effective remedy to the illness of the mind.
However sometimes the remedy, if abused, can become a problem worst than the one it tries to solve. Weed creates psychological addiction, and that is why it must be used with care.
And here is where I rise a question: why exaclty should the state ban such substances? I can understand it in case of stronger drugs such as cocaine, where the damage you make to your body is extreme, but in the cases of alcohol or marijuana, to me banning such substances is plain state paternalism. Does it suppose a risk? Yes, it does, every substance does mean a risk, and not only wine and marijuana, fast food is a risk too, I don't see it being banned. Why can't we be assumed as responsible? Of course it has dangers, but hell, it's probably more dangerous to drive a car through a highway (specially if drunk :rolleyes). I'd rather prefer to be the one that takes the decisions over the remedies I take and the dangers the abuse of such tings creates, instead of having Papa Goverment over me. Up to some age, I believe most people have achieved a level of maturity high enough to know what they are doing, and thats the reason why most of the population isn't alcoholic.
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Thank you for saying whay I couldn't :D
Quite the optimistic response. The flaw in this is that more than half of the population is involved with some sort of drug, be it marijuana, alcohol, cocaine, psychadelics, etc. This is even excluding tobacco which probably shouldn't be excluded from this count. The thing is that people, in general, DON'T achieve a "level of maturity high enough to know what they are doing". It is for this reason alone that we are forced to have a governing system. If everyone was good by nature and was responsible and reliable we wouldn't need a government at all. Unfortuantely anarchy doesn't work even in small instances like drug consumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Nexus
If you wonder why alcohol is legal it is simply because with our individual enculturations it is nearly impossible to make it illegal. We did try, remember the Prohibition? It doesn't work, it stirs chaos and just makes a bigger business for crime.
So the netherlands don't work? strange I thought they were doing well over there. So whats the differance between marijuana and alcohol? it's prohibition of marijuana which increases the drug trafficing of marijuana. :rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by Necronopticous
More than half of the population is alcoholic or drug addict? Not in Spain. I don't mean "drinks" or "takes marijuana from time to time". I mean addicted.
And tobacco is addictive and could be considered a drug, but it dosen't enter in the count because it dosen't alter you much, just calms you a little bit.
I know some people fall into adiction. And legalization or illegalization is not going to change that.
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Unfortuantely anarchy doesn't work even in small instances like drug consumption.
Prohibition still doesn't work. The substance is just mary jane now instead of alcohol.Quote:
Originally Posted by necronopticous
For people using the Smokes/Alcohal argument...2 wrongs don't make a right. They tried to out law alcohal a long time ago and it didn't work because it had already become such a huge part of the culture. We should not allow the same thing to happen to any other substance.
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God bless Necro!
God bless Kikimm!
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If drugs were legalized the crime rate would decrease dramatically. The underground drug subculture will cease to exist when you can go to your local albertsons and buy drugs. There wouldn't be very many homies shooting each other over drug money and whatnot. Of course, how ELSE are we supposed to keep the minorities under control?
Hahaha, that's awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
I'll bet if you legalized killing people the crime rate for killing people would drop too, all the way to 0% because it's not a crime anymore. That's one way to eliminate crime, just make all crimes legal, then no one is technically breaking the law at any given time.
No, actually my argument is the same used by the liberals in the times of the dry law: Why should the state act with paternalism?Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
I think he was refering to the drop of all the crimes related to weed smuggling, not with the consumntion itself.Quote:
I'll bet if you legalized killing people the crime rate for killing people would drop too, all the way to 0% because it's not a crime anymore. That's one way to eliminate crime, just make all crimes legal, then no one is technically breaking the law at any given time.
So many of the world's problems stem from one person telling others how to live their lives.
If someone takes aspirin to stop their headaches, are they medicating themselves to alter their perception of reality? Yes. If someone takes two aspirin every day to soothe recurring headaches, are they developing a mental dependency on aspirin to help them lead a normal life? Yes.
Exactly painkillers alter your central nervous system so you dont think you hurt but, you do.
In my opinion the US speands way to much fighting Drugs when that money could be spent educating the youth or other much more pressing domestic issues. I think weed should be legal like cigarettes, and just taxed more heavily.
I think all three are bad enough.Quote:
Smoking and Drinking are worse than Teh WEED. Legalize and tax the $#!7 out of it.
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Life is beautiful without lying to your body. If you need drugs to "feel good" then it's not drugs you need, it's a new perspective on your life.
p.s. If weed was legal and they taxed the crap out of it, then people would just start growing weed themselves.
Who cares? Let people grow weed and live with their heads full of fluff. We should be allowed to make our own decisions regarding what we want to do. It's not like weed was banned because of the drug's effect either. To quote a friend of mine:Quote:
p.s. If weed was legal and they taxed the crap out of it, then people would just start growing weed themselves.
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Marijuana wasn't banned because it was a mind-altering drug. It was banned because of special-interest funding from cotton growers who were afraid that their corner on the textile market would be compromised by the increasing popularity of HEMP as a textile base. So the herb wasn't banned because it hurt people, it was banned because it made a damn fine shirt.
I guess in a perfect society we should legalize alot of drugs. Like ice,crank,meth,crystal,extasy,speed, or whatever. Yea lets have a society of more druggies! :) Lets mutate are genetics so are kids can be born deformed.Quote:
Who cares? Let people grow weed and live with their heads full of fluff. We should be allowed to make our own decisions regarding what we want to do.
Actually I believe this, in an ideal society all drugs would be legal because it wouldn't matter. In an ideal society people wouldn't need restrictions against them, they'd be able to see that they're unnecessary themselves.Quote:
I guess in a perfect society we should legalize alot of drugs.
In any event the purpose of a free society is that we have the freedom to do as we please so long as we do not infringe upon the rights of others. Drugs do not infringe upon other's rights, and drug use doesn't inherently imply that such infringement will be done. Preventative legislature is unfair and punishes a larger group for the actions of the few.
That is not a reason for making drugs illegal, that's a personal perference. You have yet to state a reason that will hold up in court. With that logic, we should outlaw religion too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Necronopticous