Between squall or cloud. Who would win the ultimate duel? Lets hear some opinions. Personally I think cloud would win. :D
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Between squall or cloud. Who would win the ultimate duel? Lets hear some opinions. Personally I think cloud would win. :D
Hm...maybe a draw. Cloud movements are a bit slower than Squall's from what I see, but the large sword would work in favor of blocking attacks from a swift sword. Squall also seems a bit hesitant sometimes (MY OPINION) and sometimes rushes into things, which could give Kloud the upper hand. I stil think that it's a draw until I find a winner.
Hm, omnislash vs lionheart...I have no idea.
I think cloud may be a little bit smarter when it comes to fighting. If it was a game of cards then squall would win.
Oh, damnit, not this again...
It would never happen; they have no reason to fight.
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I think cloud may be a little bit smarter when it comes to fighting. If it was a game of cards then squall would win.
harsh. Nice, but harsh.
Lionheart vs omni slash= a bunch of slashes vs a bunch of slashes= a draw. Unless Squall gets those extra Renzokuken hits in first
What about cloud's Summon Materia vs. GF's. Who do you think would win in that battle?
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Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
I'd say Materia gives Cloud a major advantage. But, I just like him a lot more as a charater, so I'm probably a bit biased. :D
bahamut vs Bahamut
Bahamut vs Bahamut Zero
bahamut vs that third friggin bahamut!
Eden vs Knights of the round! WHOOOOOO! Go EDEN!
Ifreet vs Ifrit= demon beating man with horns in a thong
shiva vs shiva
I think CLoud might win that one because you have to wait a long time for the GFs if you aren't compatible with them. But if you are and they come with the quickness of the cheetah, then maybe Squall qould win. I guess it comes down to what GF is against which summon.
Quetzalcotl vs Leviathan= The thunder bird winnig
Ramuh vs Pandemona= Ramuh, an old man cleaning up the dirt with his brand new vacuum cleaner
Nice editing there.Quote:
Originally Posted by dking
Please, refrain from being a moronic ass.
they'd kill each other before they even think to strike a second time :p
meh, depends on what advanages they have, for example if Cloud had the buster sword and Squall the lionhart : Squall would win. on the other hand if Squall had the gunblade and Cloud the ultima weapon (i think that's what it's called) : Cloud would win... :blahblah: ...ect.
if they were even with their status, then, ya they'd kill each other.
but that's just my opinion ;) *shrug*
Me? Oh please not me:(Quote:
Nice editing there.
Please, refrain from being a moronic ass.
Hey Faris, you're in my story. How lucky for you!!!!!!!!!
what do you mean? i'm confused :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
I thought it was pretty good myself, chevelle. Anyway, this is the question that is easy for me maybe harder for others. Between Sephiroth and Seifer who would win. Personally Sephiroth is way cooler but Seifer put up a better fight against squall then Sephiroth did with Cloud. Witch either means that Cloud is way stronger then Squall or Sephiroth was just a little wuss.
There's a story, a sequel to FFVIII and one of the main characters's name is Farris. ALthough there's an extra s, but who cares. (breaks into song)You can dance. You can dance. Everybody look at your pants. He actually comes in dring the second part to FFVIIIODB, but you have a major role! (Just think of it as you. Sheesh) you should read it. If you go to FFVIII, you'll find the first part. I suggest you read that before you read the second part if you want to so you nkow what your role is!Quote:
what do you mean? i'm confused
Not you, Dking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
And since I'm here, I may as well set the rules no one else bothered to...
Both Characters are at Level 10, no GF/Materia/Magic, standard weapon, 3000 HP each. (I think FFVII has 3000 HP lv. 10s but not FFVIII...correct me if I'm wrong.)
Now, like this, I think Squall would win, why? He would get his Limit first, because he needs critical HP to activate it...but if they use the same Limit System...I think Squall still does more damage with his Level one Limit, and he can also pull the Revolver's Trigger for extra damage...he has a distinct advantage...
I'd prefer to think that Cloud is stronger than Squall because calling Seppy a wuss :(:( You'd better not let Sephirothchick hear you or she'll come after you with a chainsaw :D Seppy and his Muramasa! (Manoa and his Muramasa!) Seppy would beat Seifer's ass, I don;t care if he has his little flaming arrow thingie or not! Seppy will teach Seiffy a thing or two for messing with Zell!Quote:
I thought it was pretty good myself, chevelle. Anyway, this is the question that is easy for me maybe harder for others. Between Sephiroth and Seifer who would win. Personally Sephiroth is way cooler but Seifer put up a better fight against squall then Sephiroth did with Cloud. Witch either means that Cloud is way stronger then Squall or Sephiroth was just a little wuss.
Well said. I applaud you! I couldn't have said it better. Quite literally!Quote:
Now, like this, I think Squall would win, why? He would get his Limit first, because he needs critical HP to activate it...but if they use the same Limit System...I think Squall still does more damage with his Level one Limit, and he can also pull the Revolver's Trigger for extra damage...he has a distinct advantage...
Ok, squalls attacks are better but remember. He's technology is two years newer than Clouds. :D
Aside from the fact that again; they have no reason to fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by dking
Sephiroth is a wuss, Seifer got sliced across the face, beaten up over three times by Squall (And also by Giglamesh, techniclly.) And was still standing, he'd win.
Seppy is more powerful. Sure Seif has more endurance, but I still think Seppy will lick Seif's blood from his Muramasa. but whatever. So did Squall. Now, i think Squall might win against Seppy, seeing as how Seppy has a long, but thin blade and it might allow squall to slip in a stab or two.Quote:
Sephiroth is a wuss, Seifer got sliced across the face, beaten up over three times by Squall (And also by Giglamesh, techniclly.) And was still standing, he'd win.
ehehe Seifer would be sliced before he even knew what sephiroth looks like, o sure he can (SPOILER)sliced Odin in half but Sephiroth is stronger.Quote:
Originally Posted by dking
erm that still doesn't prove that Cloud is stronger than Squall. We don't know if Squall could do what Cloud did to Sephiroth, because Squall wasn't part of the story so we don't know if he can kill sephy as easily as Cloud did.
I think that Squall and Cloud would kill Sephiroth and Seifer then each other.
again that's just my opinion
OOooooookaaaayyyy now i understandQuote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
i've taken a glance at it before but i thought it was really long, and it hurts my eyes to stare at a computer screen too long like that (*shrug*) I think i'll just print it out and read it :rolleyes2
Care to share where you got the Two Years from?Quote:
Originally Posted by dking
Squall. He can do his limit much, much more often than Cloud, and, I could be wrong, but I do believe that Renzokuken has more hits. It'd be pretty equal, I think, but I think Squall would win. *nods*. But I could be a bit biased...eh heh.
:D
When I looked over it, I thought the same thing, so what you can do is paste it on Microsoft word and then inhance the font!Quote:
OOooooookaaaayyyy now i understand
i've taken a glance at it before but i thought it was really long, and it hurts my eyes to stare at a computer screen too long like that (*shrug*) I think i'll just print it out and read it
I would like to know who the best team would be? I think of course Leon, oops Squall and CLoud, Zell and Tifa, Irvine and Reno would make a nice sniper team, Rinoa and (if ri-ri's powers could bring Aerith back to life) those two
The teams could be setup so many different ways. I have no clue who would be good together. All I know is that if cloud and squall were on a team then everybody would be blasted.
on that note, if Squall and Paine had a kid, that would be one badass kid. and cool looking. ever heard of the theory where Zell is Cloud and Tifa's son? whether the FFs are connected or not (another theory), Zell could definetly be considered their 'kid' in a logical and not literal way. like the creators of the game making him based on them ya know?
Yeah, they'd just swing thier swords and everybody else'll be too scared to move. "Zell! You're pissing your pants!" Plus, together, with Lionheart and Omnislash, the damage is ummeasurable. All we need now are all of those goddamn bahamuts
obviously :rolleyes2 , everything for them would be a breeze, just a scratch would kill and normal feind *shrug*Quote:
Originally Posted by dking
:eek: *slaps self* get image out of head *continues to slap self*Quote:
on that note, if Squall and Paine had a kid
I thought and actually wrote a story on it. I was thinking that if FFVIII is years after FFVII, then why the heck not? Zell doesn't know who his parents are and he and Tif-tif both fight martial artailly:D Blonde hair from the father, passion for martial arts skills from the mother. Why not? I think that Paine and SQuall are a badass couple and thier kid...whoever ticks him/her off is gonna get it with two swordsQuote:
on that note, if Squall and Paine had a kid, that would be one badass kid. and cool looking. ever heard of the theory where Zell is Cloud and Tifa's son? whether the FFs are connected or not (another theory), Zell could definetly be considered their 'kid' in a logical and not literal way. like the creators of the game making him based on them ya know?
To hell with Materia/GF's, they'd rule with brute force, no problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
Squall. I won't try to rationalize it like other people, I'll just be blunt and honest. Because I want him to win. There's no exercise in logic which can prove one or the other. (IMHO)
Why do I want him to win? Because, all else being equal, FF VIII gets underrated.
agree!! it's quite obvious lionhart.... ultima weapon..... slice and dice :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Xxiawakin
oooo wer're having chopped feinds tonight :p :D
(emphasis added)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blank
AFFIRMATIVE!
ZELL! YOU"RE PISSING YOUR PANTS!Quote:
To hell with Materia/GF's, they'd rule with brute force, no problem.
MEteor Barret+Rough Divide/fated circle= Someone's but beiong kicked.
RI-RI! NOT YOU TOO!
Well, Yazoo'squeen said that she wanted me to post in here.. sooo.. Here I am.. *sigh* :D
Well anyway.. None of them! Not Squall! Not Cloud!
Just Sephiroth! He'll kick their ass! :love:
There you have my opinion.. Now, I wont post anymore in this thread, beacuse I know everyone will just: "Oh no, Squall is the best!" or "No! Cloud is the best" and blah blah blah.. And I dont have time arguing with you people about who is the best, so.. Bye! :D
SEPHIROTH IS THE BEST! :love:
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Originally Posted by SephirothChick
There's only one way to end an argument like that!
Here childen have an icecream cone or a cookie :cookie:
And you're entitled to your horribly biased opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by SephirothChick
There are a lot of people who's reasons are biased. Just check the first page. THer'll two of them, so please sto[ ganging up on people! It's very wrong and immmiture. Please, I'd like an icecream cone and a cookie please. Seppy still kicks ass over Seif:P
see icecream and cooies solve everything :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
you only get one so pick :p
didn't we all agree on that one :rolleyes2Quote:
Seppy still kicks ass over Seif:P
Sorry but Seph wouldn't stand a chance against Cloud and Squall. You saw what happened to seph when Cloud went down and show him who was daddy? Didn't you?
AYE!!!
Yazoo: MMM. Cookies and icecream. There's nothing finer. You make great cookies Faris. Here, have an autograph and a pic of my queen (as my sig)
I'd hate to say it, but Seppy wouldn't stand a chance against both of them unfortuantely. Great, now Sephirothchick will kill me :( (whimpers)
I just had to say this.. Seph is the "badguy" and Cloud the "goodguy", and always(almost) the "goodguy" wins! They couldnt just let Seph win and let the earth go :BOOM! Right? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dking
Ya,know I'd have to say that you have a point there. I think you won that one. :mad2: :cry:
MUHAHAH! :D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dking
sorry i accidentally deleted my post :eek:
*tries to remember and re-posts*
All who agree say "aye"Quote:
Sorry but Seph wouldn't stand a chance against Cloud and Squall. You saw what happened to seph when Cloud went down and show him who was daddy? Didn't you?
AYE!!
here have a cookie :cookie:
(that's basically it :rolleyes2 )
aww thanks i knew someone would admire my cookingQuote:
Yazoo: MMM. Cookies and icecream. There's nothing finer. You make great cookies Faris. Here, have an autograph and a pic of my queen (as my sig)
don't worry i'll make sure that Sephirothchick won't kill you
YAY!!!! I have protection. (glances nervously around)
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Ya,know I'd have to say that you have a point there. I think you won that one.
Don't get her started. She'll never stop! Her and Seppy can keep that up for hours!Quote:
MUHAHAH!
Thats very nice of you, faris. Thank You.
*blushing*
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Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
MUHAHAHA(laughs for 4 hours)
There Im finished now.. :D
And, do you really think anyone could protect you from me? :D
MUHAHAHAHA(laughs for another 4 hours)
And by the way.. about my laugh.. Yes, I am mad :D :tongue:
Yes i can protect Yazoo ;) after laughing for 8 hours you'll be gasping for breath then..... in comes ME!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SephirothChick
I swear I just saw Seph walk past my window :eek: . I'm going to have nightmares tonight. :love: :tongue:
If you both fight over Yazoo'squeen then let me sit back and watch because that would be funny.
aww poor you. !. here have a teddy bear *gives brand new-fresh-from-the-dryer-teddy-bear (p.s. there's a warning thing-a-ma-bob in it so if you need any help...)Quote:
Originally Posted by dking
That's only if i get beaten first ;)Quote:
If you both fight over Yazoo'squeen then let me sit back and watch because that would be funny
And when you get in. I'll kick you out :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Faris
MUHAH!(laugs for 10 hours)
O YA!!! WELL TAKE A LOOK AT THIS!!! :elk: tee hee that should distract you long enough :tongue: :p :trout:Quote:
Originally Posted by SephirothChick
Oh great, the thread's gone mushy, I'm out of here...
Oh, cool. I've always wanted a teddy bear. *grabs the bear and starts petting it and rubbing his face on it*
Here's my knigt! WHOO HOO! I think I'll chill with dking and watch with a fresh cake for the winner. Come on Faris! I-I-I mean Seppy'schick I-I-I mean Faris. ph what the heck! Faris, just say, "There's Tifa in a tight dress going after Seppy, that should get her attention.............:( HELP MEQuote:
Yes i can protect Yazoo after laughing for 8 hours you'll be gasping for breath then..... in comes ME!!
hey dking, can I pet the bear too?
I think dking is distracted enough with the teddy bear i gave him :rolleyes2 .Quote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
o here you need one too *gives exact same one* :D
i took selfdefence last week and i used to do matial arts (you've been warned, and no it's not a threat)
Thats pretty good now your done for sure. They're both going to get you now. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
I'm going to be loyal and continue to protect you two at the moment :D :D :D :D :D :D :D use the teddy bears!Quote:
Originally Posted by dking
I don't feel special anymore I had a teddy bear and everybody wanted to pet it and know she has on to. :cry:
but you'res has a emergency button on the hand and her's on the earQuote:
Originally Posted by dking
awww have a cookie :cookie:
#66 12-01-2004 01:13 AMQuote:
I'm going to be loyal and continue to protect you two at the moment use the teddy bears!
dking Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: you see me don't you?
I'll share mine if you don't kill me and if you do, you'll have to deal with Faris.Quote:
I don't feel special anymore I had a teddy bear and everybody wanted to pet it and know she has on to.
Yes, do have a cookie. They're sooooo good. I'm going to savor mine. I'm still not halfway done!
Nah, aint that sweet? You people are so freaky :D
Hehe, Im going now, I've won the "Sephiroth argue" so I'll leave you here to continue discuss Cloud and Squall :D
Bye, see ya'll :)
bye sweetie pie! Hugs and teddy bears and cookies
why did you post the date I joined eyesonff. Were you looking at my profile. ;)
you only think you've won....*evil laugh*Quote:
Originally Posted by SephirothChick
o fresh from the oven :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie:
who?Quote:
why did you post the date I joined eyesonff. Were you looking at my profile.
Yes. I knew ther'd be cookies! I'm going to write an extra good part for you faris!Quote:
you only think you've won....*evil laugh*
o fresh from the oven
nevermind, I think i'm just being retarded. Anyway, just a question, what does yazoo'squeen mean?
is that a rhetprical question or are you being sarcastic or...Quote:
nevermind, I think i'm just being retarded. Anyway, just a question, what does yazoo'squeen mean?
for what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
meh, more cookies in 13min then i need help making more batter :D
and wer're just interested in what your name means
No, I mean what made you decide to pick that name for yourself. For example TogiB started Dking because thats what he always called me. I stayed the night at his house once and my hair was all over the place in the morning. So he called me Dking. My hair is long.
Don;t worry. Just know that your counterpart will have a nice scene with a huge destrucive fight in it!
More cookies! Is it christmas already?
Well, what do you think it means? I'd like to know before I tell you
I lpve long hair! What color is it?Quote:
No, I mean what made you decide to pick that name for yourself. For example TogiB started Dking because thats what he always called me. I stayed the night at his house once and my hair was all over the place in the morning. So he called me Dking. My hair is long.
Well, I personally trhink Yazoo is the best!!! He's so friggin cool, him and his gunblade! He has the weaopon Squall wished he did! Um...it also has to do with a dream that I had...not appropriate for threads
niceQuote:
By the way Dking stands for Don King that might be nice to know.
I have long Brown hair. Its some waves in it but not like really curly.
sexy...um...um...hehe...umQuote:
I have long Brown hair. Its some waves in it but not like really curly.
Hello......Did faris die or something?
Well, about yourself lets hear it. ;)
Before anyone else says, this belongs as a PM, but what the hey. Black hair a little below my shoulder at the front and a little shorter in the back and at the moment, it's straight. Until I start playing and beating up the boys in my school:D anything else? Bust sizes? *just joking, Don't take that seriously) im...what were we originally talking about?
I'm getting the cookies out of the oven and if i died i would've said something
(i'm watching a show aswell so...)
:cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: der have ur cookies
OH NO Not my knite! Who'll protect me now? Well, tomorrow when Sepphy'schick gets back onlineQuote:
Hello......Did faris die or something?
um...if you were dead, you wouldn't be able to contact us unless you're in secret AerithQuote:
I'm getting the cookies out of the oven and if i died i would've said something
(i'm watching a show aswell so...)
I'M STILL HERE I JUST GOT YOU SOME COOKIESQuote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
That was befoer I knew. YAY! My knite is back@ WHy don't you have some of your own wonderful creation?Quote:
I'M STILL HERE I JUST GOT YOU SOME COOKIES
all very good points by you two. By the way faris for one I want a cookie and two what show are you watching?
It must be good...I'm stuck here with gilmore girls and one tree hill
Alright, now i'm completly lost. Whats going on?
how'd you get lost? we only went up the block?
Ha Ha very funny. Your just crackin the jokes tonight aren't you. :mad:
Cracking them like a fortune cookie:D
This thread has become completely random. Getting back to the original question, if we were talking about using their battle systems, Squall would win and the reason is the following. (we will assume they cannot kill each other without hitting at least 5 times which is reasonable (otherwise it is just who gets their turn first)) As long as cloud does not start with his limit break (which would be just unfair) or have knights of the round (and squall does not start with eden, which would be about the same deal) then Squall must in order to get his limit break either: 1. reduce his hp (he can still survive one attack from cloud) or 2. use aura. Squall would simply not attack Cloud (cloud would not be able to power omnislash) and prepare his limit break and then finish him with a couple powerful renzokukens. Plus, if both had high vitality, and Squall had meltdown, it would be an easy fight for Squall. Otherwise I just think Squall has a much stronger personality than Cloud and would crush him in a battle of wills.
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Anyone could beat the Sephiroth at the end. One counter..give me a break.
thank you for getting us back on track there buddy. That could've gone on forever
I completly agree!
Well friggin' said. If I still can, I;mma nomibate you:D:D:D:D:D Well, I couldn't have said it better...okay?Quote:
This thread has become completely random. Getting back to the original question, if we were talking about using their battle systems, Squall would win and the reason is the following. (we will assume they cannot kill each other without hitting at least 5 times which is reasonable (otherwise it is just who gets their turn first)) As long as cloud does not start with his limit break (which would be just unfair) or have knights of the round (and squall does not start with eden, which would be about the same deal) then Squall must in order to get his limit break either: 1. reduce his hp (he can still survive one attack from cloud) or 2. use aura. Squall would simply not attack Cloud (cloud would not be able to power omnislash) and prepare his limit break and then finish him with a couple powerful renzokukens. Plus, if both had high vitality, and Squall had meltdown, it would be an easy fight for Squall. Otherwise I just think Squall has a much stronger personality than Cloud and would crush him in a battle of wills.
good night everybody. :love: :cool:
yes :D *gives self a cookie*Quote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
InuyashaQuote:
two what show are you watching?
yes and now let the arguments over who is better begin....again :rolleyes2Quote:
This thread has become completely random. Getting back to the original question, if we were talking about using their battle systems, Squall would win and the reason is the following. (we will assume they cannot kill each other without hitting at least 5 times which is reasonable (otherwise it is just who gets their turn first)) As long as cloud does not start with his limit break (which would be just unfair) or have knights of the round (and squall does not start with eden, which would be about the same deal) then Squall must in order to get his limit break either: 1. reduce his hp (he can still survive one attack from cloud) or 2. use aura. Squall would simply not attack Cloud (cloud would not be able to power omnislash) and prepare his limit break and then finish him with a couple powerful renzokukens. Plus, if both had high vitality, and Squall had meltdown, it would be an easy fight for Squall. Otherwise I just think Squall has a much stronger personality than Cloud and would crush him in a battle of wills.
i agree with Auronhart, ya that's probably the way the battle would be too :D
Love inuyasha and Seesho, and Koga and Miroku.Quote:
Inuyasha
Inuyasha vs Squall
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Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
and Kogome vs. Rinoa or Tifa
:D
Kikyou could beat Ri-ri and Tifa with her serpent spririt thingies. They don't even need a full name!
Koga vs Zell?
i havn't watched the show long enough to know who that is :laughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
o, well time for me to logg off :( byebye
(go Squall and Cloud :D )
BYE my KNITE!!!
Koga is annoying. Zell wins.
Gaaa!!! You made me reply to a wandering pointless thread!
Well, that's what you get for burying my clever Fujin/Rajin reference in a matter of minutes with a series of arbitrary posts. :tongue:
Knight*
Thanks :D.Quote:
Well friggin' said. If I still can, I;mma nomibate you Well, I couldn't have said it better...okay?
:lol:Quote:
Gaaa!!! You made me reply to a wandering pointless thread!
I know. Knight night, but no knite. I knew that...seriouslyQuote:
Knight*
Like easter bunny=eater bunny
IMO I think Squall would level Sepheroth in a round, while it might take two to level Cloud, If for instance Seifer and Sepheroth Ganged up on Squall, I still think Squall would win, Now if Seifer, Cloud and sepheroth all Ganged up on Squall, now we have a challenge and it would be close, I think that Seifer and sepheroth would get the "smack Down" and cloud with his last breath would finish Squall, that would be the only way that Cloud would ever even dream of beating Squall.
I'm baaaaccccckkkkkQuote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
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yes i'll like to eater some of that chocolate bunny :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
bunnies and cookies go well together my knite...Quote:
yes i'll like to eater some of that chocolate bunny
KNITE, that's right, I spelled it wrong
Well, I had this dream that squall and cloud were fighting because I was thinking about it last night. Well, just before the outcome was decided, Seifer comes in, says, "Hey there sexy" to both sweaty and bloody men and then kill them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
yes they do *gets all hyper* :hyper:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
tee hee i'm The KNITE not the kinght :p :D :D
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: damn you Seifer damn you
Seifer knew/knows that if Squall had been at his right state and not hrt, he would have put a beating on him. Like, if Seifer hadn't cheated and use magic, Squall would have won.
squall did do a last hit on seifer causing his scar, before the introductory scene finished
Yeah, take that seifer! Hah, I get last chops, last laugh and the girl. How 'bout them apples? But still, seiffy couldn't win without cheating I say.Quote:
squall did do a last hit on seifer causing his scar, before the introductory scene finished
Squall qould totally win, i mean, he gets so many hits in lioheart compared to omnislash, plus if squall got slashed in the face with a gunblade, he would b fearless agaisnt cloud.
the griever is stronger then he looks
Squall no contest :) Squall=Uber
somethings been troubling me- it may not be directly related to the post, but who would win- cid highwind from ff7 or zell? i have not gotten cid in my party yet, so i dont know how good he is.
Cid's good, real nice nd a fluent life saver in my book, but I think Zell might kick ass for the simple fact that he kicks ass. but down to statistics and stuff, Cid has a longer reach than Zell and could either hit Zell from afar or keep him at a distance
Zell, no question. His limit break is unstoppable. (quite a bit stronger than lionheart if you use armageddon fist with a strong Zell) For FF7, Cid is the second most powerful character (Cloud is the strongest). Vincent can be powerful if you power up death penalty, but he has annoying limits... :( .Quote:
Cid's good, real nice nd a fluent life saver in my book, but I think Zell might kick ass for the simple fact that he kicks ass. but down to statistics and stuff, Cid has a longer reach than Zell and could either hit Zell from afar or keep him at a distance
Hmm... considering their background. SPOILER WARNING
Cloud has failed getting into SOLDIER. Also, he doens't have that much experience with the Buster Sword, as he just took it after Zack died. Squall on the other hand is one of the best students of his year in SeeD.
HOWEVER...
Cloud has had his strength beefed by the Mako treatment, so while he doesn't have the TRAINING to be a SOLDIER, he does have their power, at least enough to fool people (and himself) into believeing he is.
So it ends up being Strength (Cloud) VS Skill (Squall) I might give Cloud the edge in a simple one on one , fight till someone dropsbattle. However, once we're talking a more tactical battle (get somewhere first, steal something, protect someone) Squall's training will give him the egde.
As to Seifer and Sephiroth. Seifer is a washed out SeeD (more for reasons of discipline than comeptence in battle but hey...) while Sephiroth is a 'treated' and experienced soldier. Advantadge Sephiroth. However, Sephiroth has a nasty case of 'not killing or even imprisoning your enemies while you can' and Seifer on the other hand is stubborn. Smack him down and he'll bounce right back a minute later. Just too damn stubborn to give up. Likely the General gets bored and decapitates the Knight at a certain time, but me liking Seifer I'm hoping Sephiroth just keeps tempting fate till the Hyperion-wielder tastes victory.
I never used Armeggadon fist for the fact that I didn't know about it or have been using My Final Heaven or whatever it's called. (Haven't played in a while, badbad me)Quote:
Zell, no question. His limit break is unstoppable. (quite a bit stronger than lionheart if you use armageddon fist with a strong Zell) For FF7, Cid is the second most powerful character (Cloud is the strongest). Vincent can be powerful if you power up death penalty, but he has annoying limits... .
Witht the strength vs skill thing, I shoose skill over shtrength, so in the Leonhart's corner on this one. I think it's nothing to have power if you don't have the SKILL to put in good use. Just like if I had to choose, I'd choose speed and agility over pure strength. Sure, one hit could knock me out, but that's only IF you hit me, right?Quote:
So it ends up being Strength (Cloud) VS Skill (Squall) I might give Cloud the edge in a simple one on one , fight till someone dropsbattle. However, once we're talking a more tactical battle (get somewhere first, steal something, protect someone) Squall's training will give him the egde.
(me dancing) can't touch this.............can't touch this.... :D
Armageddon fist refers to doing the punch rush/booya combo over and over. (you can get in a lot of hits because you know what is coming up and those two are really easy to do) Some people use heel drop/booya, but punch rush is much easier to do and while it does a little less damage, it is pretty easy to do it twice as fast as heel drop. (in my experience anyways)(my record so far for a punch rush is 0.03 seconds)Quote:
I never used Armeggadon fist for the fact that I didn't know about it or have been using My Final Heaven or whatever it's called. (Haven't played in a while, badbad me)
thanks. PR-booya-pR-booya, how many times?
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I like Cloud better, but I'm not sure who would win in a street fight.
in a twelve second duel you can do the combo 40 times (this isn't exactly easy though). 30 times is more realistic for most people. (60 attacks) With max luck and strength, I'm pretty sure Zell can do 9999 with these attacks as well. It takes some practice to get to 30 combos and quite a lot to get to 40.Quote:
thanks. PR-booya-pR-booya, how many times?
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Why does that seem to happen when I post? What a strnge thing to happen...(About to take post off subject but stops) hehe
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forget squall and cloud, what about sephiroth vs omega weapon! his masamune against omegas ultimate weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Far S L
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Originally Posted by FFVIII Fan
Sephiroth: HAHAHA!! i will kill you
Omega: HAHAHA No you won't i will blow you to bits!!!
Sephiroth: BRING IT ON!!!!!
Omega: Fine....(what an idiot :rolleyes2 ) *fires the thing that does 9998 damage*
*STOMP* ewww now i got another dude stuck to my foot :mad:
:p that's what could happen!
:cookie:
Or maybe it'll go a little something like this
Seppy: You're challenging me?
Omega: OOOOH Yeah
Seppy: Bring it on!
Omega: (Starts his attack when Cloud comes in)
Cloud: Hey, what about me? I thought I was gonna beat you up
Seppy: (Sighs) For the love of meteors Cloud, must you?
Cloud: It's just that Nanaki is getting very irritated and is beginning to use Barret as a scratching post
(Omega weapon, annoyed, blows everything to bits and ancidentally blows himself up)
Seppy: Take that! You're so stupid you blew yourself up! (Laughs evilly for ten hours)
Cloud: Now you'll deal with us!
(Cloud and company defeat Seppy)
Well, Seppy vs Omega is kind of like...I don't know. Maybe Seppy couldn't win, but then again, Squall could...but Squall was stronger...Go Omega weapon...(nervous glance towards RSLchick)
TO MUCH GOT DAMN DAMAGE IF THEY DO FIGHT THEYE'R FREAKIN IDIOTSQuote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
OR.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
sephy: i'm gonna KILL YOU
Omga: not another one *hands a bomb to sephy* could you hold this for a momment i'll be right back
Sephy: *who i a little confused* wtf
*omega leaves room*
SFX: BBBOOOOMMMM!!!!
*omega looks back into the room*
omega: pitty it's like all the other ones.... *omega is soon depressed because he has no friends*
sheesh, this is kinda a stupid topic, for many, many reasons, and also because you can't really speculate about it.
Firstly, Sephiroth is not better than Cloud, nor can he ever be, Sephiroth is worse than every character you can have in your party. Seriously think about it, any character can do 9999, he can't do that or he'd kill you one hit, just the fact that he's not on your team means he is weaker, more health, but everything else weaker.
Seifer works the same way.
Now as for Cloud vs. Squall, i c no point in arguing it. Someone said GFs versus Materia, well i think it's obvious there. Materia decreases some stats and raises others, while GFs are only used to help your characters, so obviously GFs in FFVIII are better for the characters than the materia is.
Squall vs. Cloud... sheesh this is funny, why were these the two chosen characters out of every single FF game ever made?
I mean honestly... oh and by the way for all you Sephiroth Fans, KEFKA was the best enemy, he was just crazy cool, and his song, and his laugh, yeah he was crazy, I mean he changed the entire world, just damn crazy.
SO as for the topic of cloud vs. Squall, obviously you're gonna have them both at their best, and it's easier to max stats in FFVIII than in FFVII though I did in both. Obviously they're gonna have their best weapons, and obviously they're gonna have their best materia/GF.
But honestly people, if you're just going with limit breaks, I do think Lion Heart is better, but when Cloud does a limit break, you know he'll do Omnislash, when Squall does, it's random, and he may never actually do it, so by limit break alone, Cloud is better for the actual move, Squall is better because he can use it more often... and in FFVIII Squall's gunblade actually ends up hurting him... If you ever max stats with everyone... everyone doess 9999 no matter what, and he only does it with correct triggering, so, in that way it hurts him... personally I think Squall was a cooler character and liked his development better than Cloud's. Cloud is what he is because someone made him that way, Squall is what he is because he pushed himself to that point, he fought for it, and he earned it. Squall is by far a cooler main character, but sadly thinking about it, if for some random reason they fought automatically using their best attacks completely maxed out, they'd each do 1 damage a hit, honestly. They'd both do 1 damage roughly cause strength 255 and defense 255, so yeah. I mean when I maxed stats even Sephiroth was only doing a few hundred and Ultimicea was as well, in fact, Omega weapon couldn't hurt me enough in FFVIII and Ruby and Emerald couldn't in FFVII
now dat was a decent bloody reply 2 right m8 u hav gd points, but theyd never fight coz dar both gd but hey its summin 2 tlk about. personaly i think squall would win if they could do what they want coz i meanclouds all slash slash look at me i hav a sword da size of me an squall would be out smarting him and hitting with sum powerful hits so.... u no lol :p
He still can hurt you with maxed stats. Terra break still would wipe your entire party out without protect. With protect it would just kill at least one character and waste the others. You can still recover from it fairly easily, but it still crushes quite a bit. (unless you use defend) He is easy to kill with a maxed stats party, but you won't survive long if you just leave your characters in a battle with him.Quote:
Omega weapon couldn't hurt me enough in FFVIII
I would say Squall for his Mecenary attitude, his solitary being, his f*** you attitude, & his desire to not rely on other people & let other people rely on him. That is exactaly like me!!
Uhm he can't hurt you much when you maxed stats by devouring and are still at a very low level... just so you know...Quote:
Originally Posted by Auronhart
oh right, and auto-protect
No, he is always level 100 in the PS version. Being low level won't save you.Quote:
Uhm he can't hurt you much when you maxed stats by devouring and are still at a very low level... just so you know...
oh right, and auto-protect
oh this is a never ending question
omnislash vs lionheart...
I prefer lionheart
If Squall was level 100 Cloud could just beat him with Lvl 5 Doom!
Unless I am getting really confused, I think there is only a Level 5 Death in FF7, not Doom. (death used to be called doom in earlier FF's, but they are not the same thing anymore) If it is level 5 death, Squall can be immune to it. (just junction Death to status def (Omega weapon uses this)) If there is actually a level 5 doom, then I will agree that if Squall cannot kill Cloud fast enough, (and using a pocketstation to get Ribbon for Squall was not an option) then cloud would win. The funny thing is, that Cloud could probably succeed in giving himself a 50% chance of winning. All he has to do is use roulette. (which I don't think either of them can be immune to)Quote:
If Squall was level 100 Cloud could just beat him with Lvl 5 Doom!
P.S. Welcome back Del Murder! We missed your habit of closing pointless threads. :D
if they would fight and they had all stats as high as they can be, they couldn´t maybe hurt each other, because isn`t that so if the vitality and all defense helpping stats of character is 255 he can not be wounded or hurted anyway.
I interchange Death and Doom to mean the same thing, which, of course, they don't. So S-Def-J would work.
What if Cloud used Sneak Attack + KotR. No defense for that one!
I think I will vote Squall....that's just because at first...before he met Rinoa...he was a very serious person....even after he met rinoa...he still is....but slowly he changes his personality....Anyway...I voted Squall all the way!!
Cloud has the big sword.
Yet Squall's is long distance.
Cloud could block it with his sword.
But Cloud wouldn't have much of an offense.
Squall would be faster sinse his Gunblade is smaller.
Squall most likely
In terms of battle, Squall would win b/c he is overall a bit weaker than cloud, yet much faster. Cloud wouldn't be able to hit him and Squall would quickly gain an upper hand as cloud tires from lifting a three-hundred lb swd. Ok it's not really that heavy, but you get my point. Oh, and Squall can also :shoot: Cloud's balls off :beer:
In terms of coolness, Squall would win again b/c, first of all, VIII was better than VII and the storyline had way more character development in Squall than Cloud. And is Cloud like, (SPOILER)the ONLY main char guy in a FF that didn't die instead of his girlfriend? Weakness :twak:
I'm going fer Squall. But you guys do make this hard. As fer Cid and Zell. One easy word=Zell. Duh, everyone should know I'd vote fer him. But Cid is my fave on FF7.
Hmm...I'm suprised that more people voted for Squall rather than Cloud. Well, here's my two cents.
I won't include the part about maxing out your stats in both games, as they both had a different system, so you really can't compare them. Now, if you judge based soley on weapons, I think Cloud takes the cake. Why? Contrary to popular belief, I think that Cloud really has no trouble swinging his sword at all for a long period of time, plus he has a bigger sword, and he's much faster than Squall. I know this is AU and everything, but take KH as an example. Who was harder to beat? Squall or Cloud? Cloud of course, he was much better with his attacks.
I just wanted to point that out...But hey, ultimetely, we'll never know, because they both come from two seperate universes. But if there was a choice I'd say Cloud. Much stronger. No doubt. There's no contest... :love:
Squall, no doubt. In my eyes, superior to all the other main characters in FF.
Cloud's sword is ridiculuous, a simple concept called torque would show that. Squall has the battle training and doesn't have the noticeable weaknesses Cloud has. (the (SPOILER)oh I just gave the black materia to Sephiroth syndrome.... as I like to call it :D) Cloud moving faster (all the characters in 7 move fast so the non-comparable factor easily comes into affect on this one) in the animation just shows that Square wanted to have short animations. (makes sense as the animations had nothing really going for them in 7, plus all the earlier FF's had fast animations.) Square made Cloud in KH better just to appease the annoyingly large FF7 crowd. (Plus Leon didn't even remind me of Squall. Square totally messed that up. They also took away all of Squall's good attacks.) (popularity of a game (FF7) does not tell us which character is stronger. It doesn't even tell us which character is better.)Quote:
I won't include the part about maxing out your stats in both games, as they both had a different system, so you really can't compare them. Now, if you judge based soley on weapons, I think Cloud takes the cake. Why? Contrary to popular belief, I think that Cloud really has no trouble swinging his sword at all for a long period of time, plus he has a bigger sword, and he's much faster than Squall. I know this is AU and everything, but take KH as an example. Who was harder to beat? Squall or Cloud? Cloud of course, he was much better with his attacks.
If you don't want to go on the battle system, then you have to take all this stuff into account=Cloud still loses.
Exactly. In all the FF characters, only Auron is comparable with him in my eyes.Quote:
Squall, no doubt. In my eyes, superior to all the other main characters in FF.
Auronhart, did you ever know that your my hero?Quote:
Originally Posted by Auronhart
I had wanted to say something about it, but I couldn't put it into something logical
I still say that Squall would win
I say he's faster
If 7 and 8 had the characters attacking at the same time, Clous would be slower than Squall. And although not all of Cloud's swords are as large as the Buster Sword, they still be large enough to slow down CLoud's movements and give Squall and advantage
Cloud may be slower..but i recon hes much more experienced ..and he knows how to control his buster sword..but like everyone said bofore...omislash v lion heart...hm..well in lion heart..he does hit it more times....doesnt he??i cant remember....but so wat if cloud is slower?? squall would knock off is buster sword..and cloud would have another one ready..like in the trailer...and swoosh....sorry squall..we love u..but i think this goes to cloud ^_^
Umm, so what? Squall didn't have someone inside of his head telling him what to do all the time, while Cloud did. He was also infused with Mako, and he was also an ordinary human, yet he lived through it. Come on, PLEASE, Squall got his ass kicked by Seifer...That's what I call a wimp. So what if he went through military training, Cloud was a puny little Shinra guard, yet he took Zack's memories and his sword, and then became something else. But he was still himself, anyways.Quote:
Cloud's sword is ridiculuous, a simple concept called torque would show that. Squall has the battle training and doesn't have the noticeable weaknesses Cloud has. (the Spoiler: oh I just gave the black materia to Sephiroth syndrome.... as I like to call it )
And how do you know this? Do you work at Square? *bites* Honestly...what I think is that they wanted to show how great Cloud was. He's more agile whether j00 like it or not. :love:Quote:
Cloud moving faster (all the characters in 7 move fast so the non-comparable factor easily comes into affect on this one) in the animation just shows that Square wanted to have short animations. (makes sense as the animations had nothing really going for them in 7, plus all the earlier FF's had fast animations.) Square made Cloud in KH better just to appease the annoyingly large FF7 crowd.
Cloud=winna! Bigger sword and agility=teh sexQuote:
(Plus Leon didn't even remind me of Squall. Square totally messed that up. They also took away all of Squall's good attacks.) (popularity of a game (FF7) does not tell us which character is stronger. It doesn't even tell us which character is better.)
If you don't want to go on the battle system, then you have to take all this stuff into account=Cloud still loses.
Pwned! :cool:
squal kicked the crap outa Seifer throughout the game. The intro fight Seifer cheated, and Squal still got in a finishing blow before he went down, and the rest of the battles squal won, well he had to or it was game over. I pick Squal because he is more agile and trained, Cloud is a very rounded fighter, but he is no Squall.
Squall would win.
Think of this. What is stronger of these ?
1-Omnislash
or
2-Renzokuken+Lionheart
ok soo if wree gonna look into their limit breaks.....squall uses his limit break when his gp is at critrical..but cloud uses his when he is damaged a certain amount .reguardless of his Hp. how about their other limit breaks!?!we cant just look apon limti break against limit break..its abotut their skills as fighters. i recon cloud as he is more experienced as a fighter and he is mentally stronger...he knew (SPOILER)spehy was still alive in the end before he unleashed his omislash but squall ..(SPOILER)rememmber when he beat ultimica..he couldnt find his way back with out the help of rinoa.. also cloud has been through more weird states..like in a wheelchair and when he couldnt find out who he was ..he nearly went mad..but he survived. aswell as the mako ..hes stronger then zack..but spehy underestimated him.this one goes to cloud ^_^
with out Tifa, Cloud wouldn't have made it out of the Crater, so Rinoa helping Squall doesn't make Squall weaker.
A wimp is not someone who gets hurt at some point. (especially when his opponent cheats) A wimp is either a person who is physically weak (Squall does not fit in this category because Seifer does not fit in this category) or someone who just lets their emotions, fear (you notice Squall just gets up and uses rough divide on Seifer) or others control them. (different types of weaknesses) Look in the FF7 script, Cloud says "The combination of Jenova cells, Sephiroth's strong will and my own weakness are what created me.".Quote:
mm, so what? Squall didn't have someone inside of his head telling him what to do all the time, while Cloud did. He was also infused with Mako, and he was also an ordinary human, yet he lived through it. Come on, PLEASE, Squall got his ass kicked by Seifer...That's what I call a wimp. So what if he went through military training, Cloud was a puny little Shinra guard, yet he took Zack's memories and his sword, and then became something else. But he was still himself, anyways.
The facts I put there are correct (1. all FF7 characters move fast and 2. earlier FF animations were short) whether you choose to ignore them or not is entirely up to you.Quote:
And how do you know this? Do you work at Square? *bites* Honestly...what I think is that they wanted to show how great Cloud was. He's more agile whether j00 like it or not.
Whatever.Quote:
Cloud=winna! Bigger sword and agility=teh sex
Pwned!
Irrelevant, in the time compressed world the rules were changed. The only reason Squall could not make it back on his own is because no one could make it back on their own in time compression. (he got lost and then when no one responded, he started to believe he was alone) As for cloud, it was obvious that Sephiroth was still around, because he was being "called". (plus that doesn't tell us anything about whether he was a wimp or not)Quote:
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with out Tifa, Cloud wouldn't have made it out of the Crater, so Rinoa helping Squall doesn't make Squall weaker.
chaos: How about this? Squall & Cloud, realizing how there are already so many threads created about them, bask in their glory, and eventually come to a draw, riding their chocobos off into the distance.
THE END
yep..thats sounds nice to me...^_^sorted??.......
Oh come off it! You can't really say that Squall is better and claim it as fact just because of his "godly" limit break. Cloud has a bigger sword. He has mako in his blood. Therefore he wins.
:rolleyes2
Squall has a small sword. And he doesn't move as fast as Cloud. Cloud is obviously stronger seeying as how he can weild a gigantic weapen withought getting tired too quick. He isn't weak. That's a joke. Squall is weaker, if HE tried to pick up Cloud's buster sword, he would have a lot of trouble doing so. Guaranteed. ;)
Is this topic not a bit biased towars Squall since it's in the FFVIII forum of all places? Well, I vote Squall because I don't like Cloud. But since that doesn't matter in a fight...
It doesn't matter who wins, but you have to hand it to Squall for being a main male that doesn't have suped up super powers and can take on a Mako-induced... I'd say moron, but others would find that offensive.
That depends if they're made of the same material or not. The gunblade could have a lot of excess that weighs it down to be just as heavy as the buster sword, or the buster sword could be made of a lighter material. A shotgun is heavier than a sword of the same size. So who's to say a gunblade wouldn't be the same weight as a big-ass sword?Quote:
Squall is weaker, if HE tried to pick up Cloud's buster sword, he would have a lot of trouble doing so. Guaranteed.
And then later Seifer got his ass kicked by Squall. I don't see your logic. Would the two, Cloud and Squall, be facing eachother if they had only the strength available at the beginning of their respective games?Quote:
Come on, PLEASE, Squall got his ass kicked by Seifer
squall doesn't have a *sword* though:)
it's a *gunblade* however lame the name may be:)
If necessary, he could always back away from the fight and start taking potshots from a distance. I'm sure it'd be very capable of it.
(And of course we're biased-- squall is just that cool:))
Cloud doesn't have superpowers...He was injected with mako, which could have been LETHAL, but he survived it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quistis Trepe
Not really...The bustersword is made of pure metal, obviously. It's bigger, therefore it's heavier.Quote:
That depends if they're made of the same material or not. The gunblade could have a lot of excess that weighs it down to be just as heavy as the buster sword, or the buster sword could be made of a lighter material. A shotgun is heavier than a sword of the same size. So who's to say a gunblade wouldn't be the same weight as a big-ass sword?
Yeah, but difference is as that Cloud won against Sephiroth in all of their encounters.Quote:
And then later Seifer got his ass kicked by Squall. I don't see your logic. Would the two, Cloud and Squall, be facing eachother if they had only the strength available at the beginning of their respective games?
But anyway, in logical terms, I'm just saying, it would be more LOGICAL to say that Cloud would win. He's more pumped up than Squall is. More warrior-like. Squall hasn't had as much expirience as Cloud had. Not to mention all the emotional trauma Cloud had to go through.
Squall would kick clouds arse bad Clouds armour and weapon would slow him down plus his attacks are too basic you see Squall has had the training of military since he joined Balamb Garden he has fought sorceressess the Gunblade can be held in one hand so squall can fire magic then follow up with an attack the Buster maybe big but if you look its quite thin so it will shatter with a few attacks from squall then cloud will hurt squall. Squall uses Renzokuken + Lionheart Cloud gets defeated. Squall can use Renzokuken a few times in a row and the junction system allows elemental based attacking and defense so clouds magic is useless whilst squall casts meltdown on clouds sword so its crap. Cloud is very basic and predictable he has more strength than squall less speed and vitality though so Squall will win cloud easilly with a few combos with the trigger command shattering all of clouds swords making him defensless.
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how is that so? :confused: just because it has a larger size, doe not mean it has a larger mass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naughty Tifa
ok please, less coffee, and more commas. Please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoden
It's not obvious that the buster sword is solid.
Not unless you have x-ray vision. which I know I don't:)
and blue midget is right-- volume!= mass!=density
meltdown lowers strength? I thought it just killed vitality. and how exactly does using the trigger with squall's gunblade break weapons?
but anyways, yay squall.
When you use the trigger it helps up critical attacks, allowing more damage to the enemyQuote:
and how exactly does using the trigger with squall's gunblade break weapons?
I would say Squall. FFVIII has monsters a little bit harder to beat than FFVII. But its mainly all on luck and we may never find out. Unless square releases a game with every single FF character(very low chance of that). Or if someone morphed the games together...?
It would be a even match even though the results can't be told.
well some of the Bosses on FF8 are really difficult Imagine having to beat Ultima Weapon ff8 Emerlad weapon ff7 Omega weapon ff8 Ultimecia ff8 and Sephiroth ff7 in one battle
Umm...what?Quote:
It's not obvious that the buster sword is solid.
http://jrpg.gry-online.pl/inne/ff7ac/ff7ac13.jpg
http://digilander.libero.it/selphiet...l_gunblade.gif
Sorry, but it's common sense...
Cloud's first "encounter" with Sephiroth was not a fight. Simple. It was obvious that if it has been a regular fight at that point in the game, Sephiroth would have ripped Cloud apart.Quote:
Yeah, but difference is as that Cloud won against Sephiroth in all of their encounters.
As people have said, density=mass/volume, Squall's gunblade could easily be made of a more dense metal.Quote:
Not really...The bustersword is made of pure metal, obviously. It's bigger, therefore it's heavier.
Don't bring logic into the picture, because the following are just opinions.Quote:
But anyway, in logical terms, I'm just saying, it would be more LOGICAL to say that Cloud would win.
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He's more pumped up than Squall is.
Logical arguments only follow from facts not opinions, (or opinions which everyone agrees on) many people, including myself, disagree with both of these, which makes them opinions.Quote:
More warrior-like.
What experience did Cloud have, (SPOILER)being a soldier in the Shinra army who couldn't even make it into Soldier? Squall has been training since he was young to be a fighter.Quote:
Squall hasn't had as much expirience as Cloud had.
His response to the emotional trauma/mako/Jenova cell injection only shows that he was weaker than other people in the game, (who took similar abuse and came out fine) it doesn't give him any advantage over any other character.Quote:
Not to mention all the emotional trauma Cloud had to go through.
What are you talking about? Cloud got stabbed from Sephiroth's sword in the mako reactor, and in his rage, threw Sephiroth over the edge. WHILE he was still being stabbed through, might I add. Squall's a wimp who got flung back in the beginning of the game when Seifer flung a fireball at him. *snort*Quote:
Originally Posted by Auronhart
Now that's just getting desperate... :D Cloud's sword is MUCH bigger than Squall's. A gun is easier to pick up than a sword that big...Quote:
As people have said, density=mass/volume, Squall's gunblade could easily be made of a more dense metal.
I know what logic is. ;)Quote:
Don't bring logic into the picture, because the following are just opinions.
Logical arguments only follow from facts not opinions, (or opinions which everyone agrees on) many people, including myself, disagree with both of these, which makes them opinions.
Itdoesn't matter. Who cares if Squall was trained longer than Cloud? He's still an "ordinary" human. Cloud was supposedly weaker than Zack, yet he defeated the great general, Sephiroth. Although it is never explained HOW he did it. Still, that doesn't change the fact that Cloud is STRONG.Quote:
What experience did Cloud have, (SPOILER)being a soldier in the Shinra army who couldn't even make it into Soldier? Squall has been training since he was young to be a fighter.
What? When was it ever shown in the game that Barret, Cid, Yuffie, Nanaki....ect....Were bullied as children, failed to make it into SOLDIER, deemed as a failed experiment, get mako poisening and survive, and have someone controlling their mind all the time, eh?Quote:
ponse to the emotional trauma/mako/Jenova cell injection only shows that he was weaker than other people in the game, (who took similar abuse and came out fine) it doesn't give him any advantage over any other character.
*whistles*
Fun fun fun.
*kicks Squall and sticks tounge out*
i liked squall better.
dunno why
How about this for an argument, SOLDIER vs SeeD
Soldiers like Seeds because they can plant them and make pretty flowers and become little pansies
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What are you talking about? Cloud got stabbed from Sephiroth's sword in the mako reactor, and in his rage, threw Sephiroth over the edge. WHILE he was still being stabbed through, might I add. Squall's a wimp who got flung back in the beginning of the game when Seifer flung a fireball at him. *snort*
Gunblade is not a gun. Whatever the case as I've explained before, the speed issue is not transferrable between the two games, so Cloud's weapon could easily take him longer to swing then Squall's. The other issue is that you don't know whether Squall was strong enough to have used Cloud's blade (which by a Physics perspective is about the stupidest weapon in the world) or whether it would have mattered if he could.Quote:
Now that's just getting desperate... Cloud's sword is MUCH bigger than Squall's. A gun is easier to pick up than a sword that big...
First of all, STRONG is not a relative term, so it cannot be used in this comparison. Second of all, Sephiroth lost all my respect for his strength when I killed him with one counter at the end and he was probably injured after fighting against 3 of your party members as well...so Cloud doesn't even have to recieve the title of strong.Quote:
Itdoesn't matter. Who cares if Squall was trained longer than Cloud? He's still an "ordinary" human. Cloud was supposedly weaker than Zack, yet he defeated the great general, Sephiroth. Although it is never explained HOW he did it. Still, that doesn't change the fact that Cloud is STRONG.
Failing to make it into soldier and come out alive is a big deal now is it. None of the emotional things have any significance. (Squall went through some similarily bad experiences) Cloud didn't have the willpower to stop himself from being controlled, that can't be used as a reason for his reaction, it is a weakness.Quote:
What? When was it ever shown in the game that Barret, Cid, Yuffie, Nanaki....ect....Were bullied as children, failed to make it into SOLDIER, deemed as a failed experiment, get mako poisening and survive, and have someone controlling their mind all the time, eh?
I was talking about the others who were experimented on and recieved similar treatment. Sephiroth certainly had this exact physical treatment, (including falling into a great deal of mako) so we know at least Sephiroth took the punishment better than Cloud. As for the Jenova cells injections, all members of soldier had those though in smaller doses, Zack and Cloud were in the same experiment so probably had the same amount.
Don't use the term in the wrong context next time, then.Quote:
I know what logic is.
Off Of Topic: Will this thread ever die!!!!!!
Back On Topic: Auronhart makes a good point there... :D
Oh? I thought that you said that since he has part of a gun on his blade, that it's heavier or something? And how is the bustersword the stupidest weapen in the world? This is a fantasy game, otherwise, Squall wouldn't be able to use magic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Auronhart
Uh huh... :rolleyes2Quote:
First of all, STRONG is not a relative term, so it cannot be used in this comparison.
You should have payed more attention to my other post then...But if that's how you wanna compare it, then I could easily say that Squall indeed IS a wimp because he needed the help of two other party members to kill Seifer. Including the first time where he got his butt wooped in the beginning. Now how is that strong? :pQuote:
Second of all, Sephiroth lost all my respect for his strength when I killed him with one counter at the end and he was probably injured after fighting against 3 of your party members as well...so Cloud doesn't even have to recieve the title of strong.
Pffft, Squall didn't go through any of those things, he was a whining pussie. Sure, he didn't have any parents, but at least he had Garden, which he could call home. Cloud went through WAY more abuse. If you say he didn't stop himself, ever, then what about the time he was struggling with himself not to stab his friend? (Which would be Aeris) Or the many other times he had er, theose weird attacks? It doesn't really matter which one is weaker emotionally I guess, but don't compare them in terms of that as it is obvious to anyone that has played the two games that Cloud had much more problems.Quote:
Failing to make it into soldier and come out alive is a big deal now is it. None of the emotional things have any significance. (Squall went through some similarily bad experiences) Cloud didn't have the willpower to stop himself from being controlled, that can't be used as a reason for his reaction, it is a weakness.
Once again, how does that counter my argument? Sephiroth wasn't in the party, because he was the villains. Of course villains are strong. And Zack was SUPPOSEDLY stronger than Cloud, but Cloud defeated Sephiroth making this whole thing really confusing. :cool: And who cares if you lost respect for Sephiroth, it still does not change the fact that in the game, he was the strongest general ever.Quote:
I was talking about the others who were experimented on and recieved similar treatment. Sephiroth certainly had this exact physical treatment, (including falling into a great deal of mako) so we know at least Sephiroth took the punishment better than Cloud. As for the Jenova cells injections, all members of soldier had those though in smaller doses, Zack and Cloud were in the same experiment so probably had the same amount.
well Squall isnt a wuss and that fireball was an illegal use of junctioning for training Seifer took squall by suprise therefore he was knocked back and when he got back up seifer alshed him then squall made the finishing move Rough divide on Seifer, well i defeated seifer everytime with only Squall alive. well we were revealed too off most of Cloud'spast but with Squall all we know is birth orphanage then garden but what happened when he was younger? Cloud was technically less human than Squall.
if you put them one on one it wouldnt be easy as Cloud is slightly slower and can only hold a limited amount of spells and has Mp so squall can cast more spells. it would be a long battle though with the victor as No one Squall is faster but he is younger he is suprised easilly while cloud isnt usefull without his weapon though so if cloud made a wrong move squall could use renzokuken then lionheart then cloud uses one omni slash so squall uses renzokuken again so depending on the moves either vcould win therefore cloud and Squall are a good fight to see
hmm.. I really don't know. cause their both really good.but I would say Squall.why can't say.
Seifer using that fire spell in the beginining was just him cheating. It proves that Seifer is a punk whoc couldn't have won without it, and since it caught Squall off guard, it gave Seifer the upper hand in the battle, but Squall quickly retaliated with an attack of his own, so i think that that would prove Squall having more *i little maybe* will power/power/ stamina than Cloud, which means that he could outstand him and beat him
yeah in ff7, cloud has weak will power proven by sephiroth possessing him. Squall had the spirit of a fighter cloud was just lonely and dark he was disorted from his past which shattered his will power to bits. Squall on the oter hand may get put down he will get back up and retaliate with more atatcks
cloud vs squall=draw unless kaine is coming to wipe their butts!!!!!!
hmmmm ive changed my mind after playing through 7 again i see the truth but Squall would be a good match for cloud though. Ultima weapon + Omni slash would probably kill squall as each blow does a hell load of damage over 9999 while renzokuken only does 5678 in average but the chances of a lionhart are so low plus one renzokuken after squall is hit by omni slash would push Clouds limit back to the max and omni slash again to finish him. or Cloud could summon Knights of round or Bahamut zero even cast mega spells like comet 2 hed even be able to use enemy skills such as shadow flare.
Without going into technical details about why I think he would win. When I imagine the two one on one, my gut tells me Cloud would come out on top. There's just something about Cloud that I can't put my finger on...I just couldn't see Squall defeating him.
one Cloud has been enfused with Jeniova cells and Mako energy and has a hell of alot more experience fighting
The Jenova cells and Mako didnt make him stronger at all. They had no effect on his fighting.
Clouds definitely slower but packs a heavier blow. You can see it in flics from advent children. When Cloud swings the buster sword it rises slow but falls fast as you'd expect, Loz was easily able to dodge and knock him aside using speed over strength but if Cloud could land a blow it would have a serious effect.
hmmmm depends on what clouds stats are and level because he can have items equipped that can adjust his speed but if cloud uses Ultima weapon he'll be alot faster as its size is samller and weight is lighter than the buster sword but cloud can use mastered materia on squall that can dish out a hell of alot more damage than usual or he can put himself in the fury status to charge up his limit breaks twice as fast.
what do you mean Zack never reacted to the mako and jenova cells but cloud did so your saying if sephiroth wasnt injected with jenova cells and mako hed still be ultra strong?
Sephirtoh reacted with them alright but Cloud got an average-small ammount that had no physical effect. Sephiroth may not have even gained strength from the mako and J cells. He was Jenovas chosen one but thats just an insignificant theory. Throughout the game Cloud is basically the same as the other party members his level. It wasnt like a lvl1 Cloud was equal to a Lvl 10 Cid or whatever. No difference in fighting.
well it made a difference to Clouds battle style though and observing zack and getting his sword well thats the cloud we know now but JENOVA was dormant until Sephiroth went beserk in Mt Nibel
Why did J-cells effect his fighting style?
Despite the fact that I like Squall more then Cloud (Not by much admittedly) I think Cloud would win, more expierenced fighter I'd say. I dont' think Squall would get his butt kicked though, but, maybe it'd be a draw.
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hmm, big sword vs little sword. Big sword cool, little sword even cooler. I think that if it came down to cuteness, Squall would win, cards...I'd have to say Squall again, but......GF vs big other powerful thing, Squall lights out. If squall got a decent run up with Lionheart, then sure, Cloud would die but otherwise, draw
I think this is a rather difficult question to answer. First, what are the rules for the engagements? If each is playing by the rules of their own game, then Squall could win easily. He just junctions Initiative with low HP, one Renzokuken and Cloud is dead as soon as the battle starts. Then too, Squall can limit over and over again with Aura. He doesn't need to wait for his gauge to build, like Cloud does. Of course, Cloud can equip sixteen mastered Counter Attack materia, and Squall will go down before he knew what hit him. Since the max HP of each character is 9999, the battle will be over quick. If Squall doesn't get off a limit break immeadiately, Cloud could take him out with a single use of 4xCut (from a mastered Double Cut materia). Cloud also has the advantage of being able to use his magic without reducing his stats. Still, doing 9999 damage is no problem for either character. Whoever got off the first major attack would win. Cloud's normal abilities pack more of a punch than Squall's, but Squall has the advantage of the limitless Limit Breaks. If Cloud was able to survive a Renzokuken (doubtful, considering the damage it does), then his Limit Gauge would still not be full (assuming that it was empty to begin with), since a level four Limit Break needs more than Cloud's entire HP bar to drain in order to fully charge. Of course, in the turn it takes Squall to cast Aura, Cloud can whoop his butt. Or, if he goes in with low HP, Cloud could kill him with one hit. Since either character can dish out much more than they can take, the battle will be decided by whoever gets the first heavy strike. Squall has the advantage then, since he can junction the Initiative ability and automatically go first. But, if his first hit doesn't kill Cloud, he won't have time for a second, since Cloud can counter more than a dozen times and hit four times for every normal attack.
Personally, I think it's a really pointless discussion, since I think the two would not fight. They'd get along great. Both are mercenaries with traumatic pasts...
(Oh, and just a note, when Seifer used a fire spell and followed it up with a sword slash against Squall in the intro video, why do so few people seem to realize that he was using his limit move, Fire Cross? It looks exactly like it. Which means Squall had Seifer down in low HP, and Seifer broke the rules and used his Limit Break on Squall. Squall not only survived, but he immeadiately countered. So I don't think arguing that Seifer whooped Squall in the intro is really valid. Seifer was getting his butt kicked, he cheated, and he still got bi+ched.)
(One more thing. I also think that calling Sephiroth a "general" is a bit of an overstatement. Yes, he was the commander of SOLDIER, but in rank only. He didn't pick his assignments. He was just a really powerful field agent.)