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The rivally between them is powerful but in the game it hints at neither can defeat the other. You never kill seifer. but more importantly is that in triple triad, thier cards are complete opposites. without rules they can't kill each other from any side!
And the discussion point is?
OPINIONS! RIGHT? You wnt to know what we think?
Squall can beat seifer any day :D :D
why because Squall rocks :love:
i mean like isn't it 1:4 for Squall?
i shouldn't count that 1 for seifer cuz he cheated :mad2: :mad: !
Yeah, Squall could beat him one hand behind the back and using a wooden sword. Seifer just cheates so it's Squall 4, Seiffy 0. I'm not just saying that because SQuall rocks:love:
even we could beat him without any use of swords, right yazoo ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yazoo'squeen
ok i'm overexaggerating but o well :p
I think we could Faris! All we'd have to use are a couple of butter knives and we'll have him in the bag!
definatly, squall is better. seifer remind me of an ex friend, cheating b*****d. any way
conclusion Squall=Uber Seifer=Uberpants
Pfft. Big Bad Rascal owns EVERYONE!!!
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Originally Posted by nik0tine
Hmm, well the 4-1 or 4-0 thing isn't really fair to seifer because he was ganged up on. (though usually you can beat him with just Squall anyways) Squall actually only beat him the first time by himself, so it's more like 1-1. (tie? :confused: ) When Seifer is controllable, he is at a disadvantage because he cannot remodel his weapon and get better limit breaks. Seifers base stats (at level 100) are better than Squalls (he has higher HP(like 2000 higher) a little more Spirit, 1 more strength, Agility is Seifers greatest advantage though. (I think it's like 38 to 45) Squall has 1 more vitality and 3 more luck, Seifer beats him in all other areas (they are tied in magic though)) So in a one on one battle with level 100 Seifer and level 100 Squall, Squall would probably win because of a much more useful limit and remodeled weapons. With moves like demon slice though, it would be a very close match. Squall is still cooler though.:D
stop argueing for the other side :) lol and sorry? demon slice? whatsat? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Auronhart
Seifer's Limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue_midget192
is that the US version or summat, cus i thouhgt it was called fire cross :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xxiawakin
Fire Cross is the general name (like Renzokuken I think) He ha slimits Breaks he uses in other battles. So you have
Fire Cross: No Mercy (that name just rocks)
Fire Cross: Demon Slice
Fire Cross: Bloodfest
They both have good attributes (and bad). Squall has a much better limit break than Seifer, yet Seif has a smaller and slender gunblade, making him faster. Squall is kind, loving and gentle. Seifer is arrogant, sexy and rough. Put em both together and you have Auron. xD
you forgot the important part:
seifer is ugly :P
Seifer doesn't use junctioning does he? :P. If it's going to be fair, none of them should.
but how could Seifer slice-slash Odin into two parts and just lose it from Gilgamesh?
Okay one word:
LIONHEART
Aite obviously if they both had 9999 health and if Squall went first then duh ... unless u cant hit 9999 wid lionheart?.... Lets say Seifer went first
he does like at the most 2k to me...
haha and besides...Squall has a leather coat.
:love: Since Squall is like, my cousin's fave. character and the fact of how awesome he is, Squall could kick Siefer's a$$ any day!!! HAHA! Go Squally GO! :love: :D But you have ot give siefer SOME credit. at least he tries. *But never prevails!* :D
I never knew seifer had super-pantsQuote:
Originally Posted by blue_midget192
0.0...Me niether.
I'll be on Squall's side any day...
Why isn't there a Zell V.S Siefer one?! If there was, I'm Zell's fan the whole way! *Notice Username* Ok. Getting off topic. I'm on Squall's side. That's that.
Well er, Squall, I guess. Since the villain never wins...
BUT, in the opening movie, Squall sure got his ass handed to him, eh? By sexy Seifer! :love:
and then squall gives him one right back.
people never seem to remember that bit because they just show feathers:P
SEIFER BLEEDS FEATHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111oneeleven
NEVA.
Tis' all a lie...Squall ended up in doctor kadawaki's office so there!lolz!!!11eleven
squall.
seifer dosn't have the cool hair
in the opening scene i like the music the most but the battle shows much abut the characters Squal is a hero and cool Siefer is a lying cheating arogant b*****d
thanks :) didn't know thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Rand Al'Tor
hehe, no seifer is super pants! :) super=very seifer is very pants *nods*Quote:
Originally Posted by JayDee
Super pants? In his action figure his pants are way too large, so we call them Candy Pants (in other words, he hides candy in them, and people like to hide other things in them, like porn. If you knew you'd understand...)
Seifer kicked Squall's ass in the opening FMV, Squall kicked Seifer's ass in Deling. Seifer got his ass pwned by Squall+Friends 3 more times after that. At the end of the game, how would the two fare against eachother? If you have no clue how to Junction, Seifer's a challenge, but if you're like me, he was a sinch (probably the most in the game).
wow, not seen his figure yet, but will look out for it, and proclaim that he has candy pants! :)i livek that, it's funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quistis Trepe
any way i still say that squall is better than seifer. that is my point :) *nods*
Seifer would beat Squall, i just defeat Seifer in the game coz otherwise it'd be Game Over!
Seifer all the way!
I love Seifer but Squall is also bloody great so really I can't decide who's side I'm on.... and they are bout so hot!!! And the fight in the beginning ends with they bout being even, cause they scar each other for life, right? But of course Squall ends up in the hospital wing so Seifer won, but also lost in a way, do I make any sense at all?? -_-‘
Seifer would win. No doubt about it.
Oh yes, I forgot to add my piece about who'd win.
One thing I noticed about the way the two fight is that Squall has very vulgar attacks. You can see it in how he runs up to the enemy, whereas Seifer glides, almost flies up to the enemy in a graceful manner. This... agility Seifer has might give him the advantage over Squall. Also because he fights dirty *laughs*
Squall and Seifer may be considered rivals but i think NOT. Squall can whoop his @$$!
I'm neutral, everyone knows that Laguna would shoot them both up with his Machine Gun and win! :D
One thing to note is that 'graceful' does not equal 'effective' A vulgar strike kills just as hard as a graceful one, and two hands hit harder than one. Squall and Seifer are FIGHTING, not having a beauty contest.
That said... they're rivals. If one of them was clearly stronge rthan the other, they wouldn't constantly be vying for superiority. SO they're about equally strong.
Except one of them cheats. Go figure.
...I think Seifer would win...the dark side is stronger...Lucke Skywalker never defeted Darth Vader...
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Originally Posted by FoulDrow
Technically, he did. Not physcally, but because he was his farther, Vader turned against the emperor in the end. :p
Also, technically, Seifer aint evil (SPOILER) the end movie shows him all happy and smiling with Raijin and Fujin i just thouhgt he was a bit of a gimp, not evil.
..."U don't know the power of the Dark Side..."
-Peace is a lie,there is only passion...
Through passion,I gain strength...
Through strength,I gain power...
Through power,I gain victory...
Through victory,my chains are broken...
The Dark Side shall free me!-
...I think Seifer knows this code... :)
Luke didn't have to defeat Vader.
(SPOILER)The Light side of the Force was enough to sway him back regardless of what luke did;)
seifer was just being selfish. He figured the sorceress could give him what he wanted, so he did her bidding.
seifer wasn't bad, he was misguided. He was very sure of himself and his noble goal, protect the queen. Tis called chivalry my dears. But yeah, squall and seifer are complete equals and opposites. Black vs. White. Honorable vs. Ruthless. Un-emotional vs. Passionate. they could hack at each other til the day they died of old age, neither one would gain the upperhand.
:O_O: ?Quote:
Originally Posted by FoulDrow
Anyway... I've NEVER lost in a battle against Seifer... even without junctioning... so... Squall> Seifer.
Seifer. :p
Just look at him. He's adorable.
Seifers ruthless. (and he looks like a pimp!)
Squalls insecure (and he looks like a gigollo!)
Hardly. (hehe)
Come on I love angsty gunblade wielding warriors as much as the next person but he has a (1).Leather, (2).Furry suit with (3).yet again more "leather" bealt. I mean my grandmother pointed it put to me and an extremely cool gunblade or scar isnt gonna change it! XD
Wow. So thats who does the YMCA dance.Quote:
Originally Posted by [FFateD]
Squall is cooler in every aspect.
Seifer's about as adorable as a troll.
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Originally Posted by rubah
I think Seifer is a bit . . . a non winning. Even Raijin beats him in fishing. So he won't be able to win against Squall.
Seifer is just an arrogant ass****. He let himself be manipulated by Ultimecia and became nothing more than a tool.He was willing to kill those who stood in his way and he even abandoned Raijin and Fuijin who stood by him. He could never show his face near Garden again.Besides Squall could beat him easily because renzokuken hits multiple times and fire cross doesn't. :p
You all dont know a good thing when you see it.
Ewww, no Seifer would win because Squall caught Cooties from Rinoa and now he can't move his arms.
Squall>Seifer
In the opening video, Seifer uses Fire Cross on Squall to give him a scar, and Squall immediately counters and gives Seifer one going the other way (the opposites theme again, anyone?).
In every following battle, Seifer gets his @$$ handed to him on a silver platter.
Even assuming they both had equal stats (255 in everything, 9999 HP), and neither used limit breaks, Squall would win. Seifer doesn't use his gunblade properly 50% of the time, and often seems more intent on taunting Squall than fighting. Squall has a much more serious and professional attitude, so he would win.
Squall, and it's not even close. To me, Seifer is synonymous with "incompetent."
seifer would kick squall's ass if squall did'nt have his friend's with him all the time SEIFER RULES :cool:
I never saw Seifer to be extremely weak as the rest of you seem to. Say he was able to train/equip himself in the same manner that Squall does. (GF, Weapons Upgrades, etc.) If he was able to do those things I think he would stand a fighting chance against Squall. Actually, I believe his statistics are naturally better then Squall's.
And to compare how Seifer fights, when put up against in-game mechanics seems somewhat unfair. Overall, I'd say they are quite even until later in the game when Squall's training and advancement opportunities far outweigh Seifer's. Then Squall becomes rather overpowered.
But yes, if we look at them, and don't factor in the idea of the game battles, I think they are supposed to be quite even, storywise. Thay are close rivals until Seifer completely loses his way to the Sorceress.
Seifer was bent on power and was willing to do whatever he needed to get it. he lost his was and squall remained ture and focused! they were rivals and were equal in states through most of the game. but the one thing that stood out to me is that seifer trained and fought constantly to beat squall an pushed himself to his limit to become powerful. Squall became powerful on his own accord and still managed to beat seifer. Seifer wanted to win more than Squall to prove himself, yet Squall fought knowing that he had to win for what he knew was right.
Well, I agree with most of that. Except I don't think that Squall simply thought himself to be "right", per say. He didn't seem to see things in a purely "right or wrong" perspective, which is partly why I found him to be such a fascinating character. Actually, I thought Seifer was fascinating too, and also think that he is underrated/misunderstood quite often.
besides squall is supposed to beat him in the game all the time because duh he's the main character and it would be boring to be beaten by him all the time the reason squall beats him is because he's supposed to for the story in a straight fight however and because i like him seifer would win i'm not going to just be another sheep and follow the squall brigade i think squall is boring and at least seifer has more life to him even if he is the bad guy in i'd have prefered to have been Seifer instead of squall as it would make for a more intresting story imagine playing as Seifer with raijin and fuijin with you that would rock there would also be a kind of love story between him and Rinoa we see there already was in ff8 anyway so that could be backed up actually why can't there be a ff in which you are the bad guy it would be more intresting and a good change instead of always being a blonde haired goody-two-shoes all the time
Um, Squall's not blonde, but Seifer is. ;)
I can't even say that one of them are a goody-two-shoes either. Neither of them are, really.
I thought they were both fascinating characters. Seifer had more 'life' in him that he physically vented out on the world, while Squall kept things to himself. It was sometimes interesting to hear his inner monologues. It was too bad we never got into Seifer's head though.
Squall never wanted to be the hero, he kind of wound up with the role of the hero after eveyone else forced in on him. Seifer wanted to be in the spotlite. Squall was a good person but wasent sure if being the hero was worth it.
i meant most of the ff main characters are blonde e.g Tidus.cloud.zidane.Vann etc
Well, if we look at all the FF's I don't think that that would be the case, but I could be wrong. *forgets*
I see your point though. Their has been a recent surge of blonde, male protagonists. Squall being the only break. Silly Square. ;)
IF they were fighting alone, as we see they do in the starting movie, it would pry end up into draw, as we see in the starting movie, 'cos Squall is more, so to say, furious or spirited fighter, but Seifer 'fights dirty' aka uses whatever technique available. Do some people really call that cheating? When you're fighting for your life u will do right like seifer (cheat?) and if u never fight with full potential u won't know how much u are able to do. If u don't know your potential, u won't be able to use it.
BTW, Seifer uses Fire Cross (limit break) and Squall counters with Rough Divide (limit break). So, sure everyone must agree they both 'cheat'. And I don't think that kind of cheating is bad, but just in case someone says something like: "Squally cheated only because big bad Seifer started it" I would want to ask 'If your friend jumps into well and kicks the bucket, u see it and follow her, won't u be even more stupid than your friend, may she rest in peace?'
Okay, quess that is all i am able to explain in english. Ain't that just too bad there are no topics like this in FFFin forums.
Seifer is survivor, Squall is 'fair fighter' who bites the dust if he has to fight alone for his life.
If this post o'mine makes someone angry, i want to apologise. It might be 'cos my mother tongue isn't english and thus I have not been able to explain myself properly. Plus that I'm a n00b.
In the opening scene, it appeared as though Squall was fighting with everything he had and Seifer was just kind of playing with him, not really trying as best he could. The only time he looks at all like he needs to fight back is when Squall renzokukens him. Not to mention that Seifer can block all of Squall's two-handed gunblade swings holding his gunblade with just a single hand. He obviously has the power advantage. Squall is however far more cunning that Seifer is, and he would eventually find a way to beat him. So I think Squall would win, but he will be left barely standing when he does.
I'd probably go with Squall on this one. Squall has his hard-blowing Lion Heart, and with a single swift of his wrist he'd crush Seifer to pieces, biased, maybe but true. So I'd go with Squall on this on.
What I'm meaning with 'fighting with all you have' is that if you have a chance to fight dirty, you fight. If you don't, you make a chance. Right what Seifer does. And hey, if Seifer had been a playable character through game, i s'pose they (Square) had given him weapon upgrades and a limit break that would equal Lionheart. They were meant to be rivals, I don't think one would be able to beat another alone. They would end up killing each other. Except if Seifer fought dirty and hired a gunman to take Squall down...
Except I personally think he wouldn't go that low. Not with Squall. He admires him too much (my personal opinion, I don't think there is any evidence).
One of the main reasons I liked FFVIII is the characters and the rivally. They imo better than FFVII's however the game system sux0rz.
I believe if Seifer was a playable character in your party and could junction and upgrade he would be > Squall. However that is not the case, and he's stuck as a brainwashed bodyguard (how much stronger can u get sitting around waiting 4 Edea to be attacked? Instead of questing around attacking monsters and soldiers) Besides when you do fight him, he's an AI not a human. If I were controlling Seifer fighting Squall I would have done much better, like healing more etc, junctioning.
Anyways, I loved how Seifer and Squall were designed to be the opposites. Squall is an realist while Seifer is a idealist, while Squall fights for nothing, (Stereotypical rebel without a cause) Seifer fights for his dreams, a romantic.
Squall is indifferent to others, and wants to distance himself from others (at least in the beginning.) While Seifer actually insecure and soft and tries to hide it by being arrogant and venting his pain by bullying on others. He wants to be reassured and be close to others, he is afraid of failing.
I really don't think Seifer is being cheap using magic in the opening scene was that big of a deal, it's like using his limit break. I mean Allies in WWII bombed the crap out of civilian towns, killing hundreds of innocent ppl, did that make them evil? Anyways, I've noticed whenever he does his limit he casts fire then follows it up with a physical attack. The movie Squall uses to counter him looks similar to his limit break (if not actually being rough divide, being a movie it will not look like it does in the game. I mean u can get shot at in battle mode but in a movie u get shot it actually hurts) I could call Squall cheap for attack Seifer unprepared, surprise attack. I mean after Seifer connected he wasn't ready to fight squall. He thought it was over, so you didn't see Seifer even try to block Squalls blow, but it really doesn't matter who was cheap and what not. IT's all fair in love in WAR.
Seifer is a playable character during the SeeD field test. He's still nothing compared to Squall.Quote:
Originally Posted by In4ser
Squall is fighting for a reason: it's his duty. Originally, he was just following the orders of his superiors, and then he was put in charge of Garden and told to go hunt down the sorceress. He doesn't like it, but what's he supposed to do?
Yes, and if that was a war, you may have a point. It wasn't, it was a training excercise, dummy!
Sry, I guess you have mistaken my words. I mean playable throughtout the game. However now that you do mention it, during the field test, Seifer has more HP and deals more damage.
Squall fights because it's his duty? Duty for what SeeD? What does he believe in that SeeD provides him? He's not the type to care for ideals of others, he doesn't care who he kills as long as he get's paid at least in the beginning. That's what SeeD is a Mecenary group that fights for money not ideals, not much duty. Duty for what? Money?
As Squall says, "There is no good, there is no bad. Just perspective and opinion." He's type to fight for the thrill of fighting, at least in the beginning. A badass, until he meet Rinoa.
Yes it was a training exercise, but when two ppl hate each other things tend to go a bit far. Even in horseplay with friends, you hit him a little too hard, he hits back even harder, before you know a full blown fight breaks out. And in a fight you want to hurt someone, especially with rivals and with a sword it's likely you cut someone, if it was really WAR, they would have fought to the end, killing one or the other, not give each other only scars.
P.S. how squall holds his sword looks like he's jacking off...with the swords as his phallic, at least imo =D
they both had a piece of rinoa. squalls more whipped than siefer ever was by rinoa, so squalls pretty much a wuss. and it was always 3v1 when they fought siefer (even tho my only good fighter is squall, he could probably beat siefer on his own and my other characters barely did anything)
siefer wears a nice cloak thing with a sweet red symbol, while squall wears leather stuff, overloaded belts, and a big fluffy feather collar. wutta shame.
as much as i hate siefer, he wins this one.
Actually, it's one on one the first time you fight him (before the Edea battle).Quote:
Originally Posted by G SpOtZ
man ff7 sucks
Just murder your other two members and go on a one on one fight with Seifer if you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by G SpOtZ
What have this got to do with FF7?Quote:
Originally Posted by edward et pascual
Seifer's the chickenwuss buckAHHHHHHH!
O__O why don't i remember the 1v1 part...Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
good idea. i might do that. who needs em anyway. XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Unknowns
Yeah I've done that, junctioned at all he's ridiculously easy. 1st time it's 1v1 anyway, the last time you can draw aura making it a sinch. And the other two times he does about 300-1000 if you've junctioned to life you'll have about 5000 life and to a lot more damage than he does every hit.
Back on subject as someone said whoever you're playing as wins:
You're Squall to make the storyline continue you have to beat seifer.
You're Seifer I assume the same would be true for you.
But Squall with 2 companions beat 4 forms of Ultimecia/Griever and all 8 of her stronger guardians. The best seifer has done is defeat odin, but he is just another of guardians- and the weaker than the others. You beat his mistress and him, Squall wins
im sorry i love squall
but omg i love seifer he's soo strong...and sexy
yeah what he saidQuote:
Originally Posted by The Direktor
I have beat Final Fantasy VIII many times. Squall and Seifer are best friends. DUring the first half of the game, Squall is concerned about Seifer and thinks about him a lot. He even says that he liked him and respected him. Squall and Rinoa are a great couple and I like Seifer, too. I beat the game many times and Squall and Seifer are ebst friends during the first two discs, but by the end of disc two, things change. Squall, Rinoa and Seifer are my three favorite FFVIII characters.
Seifer's got a good chance.
I like his quote.. "Let me give ya another scar, Squall!"
Also: If Demon Slice/Bloodfest are Limits, will Seifer use them more if you cast Aura on him? Just a thought... I have cast Aura on a monster before, but I don't think monsters have any clue what to do with Aura.
im not really too fussed becasue you dont play the game as seifer,but squal would have a better chance in my mind
Just a personal thought...
Squall, in game, would easily defeat Seifer, due to his limit break. Assuming that a) they had made seifer able to gain multi-hit limit breaks and b) not made Seifer the villian, who obviously couldn't be more powerful then Squall in game cause Squall is indeed the hero, I think they would be very close to equal. Squall has a far more damageing gunblade, but Seifer is
very agile, so the fight would be a tie, removing all cheap tricks on both sides.
I like em both. *shrug*
Squall would probably win, he's got all his powerful Limit Breaks at his disposal. Seifer's physical attacks are weaker and he rarely uses his Gunblade properly.
I think Seifer will summon PuPu and win after more than half of a year discussing.
of corse Seifer has junctions, how else would he use fire on squall in the openings sceen also didnt Quistis say that haveing a GF was a perquisit for doing the exam and as he did the exam you can only assume that he indeed does have GF's and JunctionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirage
Squall, I suppose. I guess he'd have more things Junctioned. Although he still has his Limit Breaks, so there you go.
Too bad Seifer never actually uses those Hero Drinks you Steal from him.
Please do not revive threads that are this old.