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Who the hell would do such a thing? Cut open a pregnant woman and pull out the fetus. (good thing the fetus lived). I hope this lady dies in prison or gets the death penalty.
Oh, psychologically unstable? Insane? Plead insanity? No way, death penalty!
Although I agree that what this woman did was wrong, I think the death penalty is a tad bit too much for her, as it is with anyone else. I personally don't even UNDERSTAND how something like this can happen. please excuse my bluntness, but what thewas going through her head? Insanity is the only explanation. Believe it or not though, this has happened before. I heard about a case identical to this a few years ago, and another one that just happened within the last month or so somewhere in Africa, I believe it was. It's mind boggling to say the least.
Oh come now. I'm sure there was a perfectly good reason for all of that.
But seriously, folks. That's just screwed up.
At least she has her looks going for her.
This case has been circulating around in the past week or so, and yes, it is quite disturbing, but I support life in prison without bail. Such is truly a harsher punishment.
gah... death penalty plz... i cant beileve i live in the same world as her crazy@$$... i am speechless. which for me is saying alot.
What is worse, a quick (albeit) painful death or wasting away in solitary confinement for the rest of one's natural life? Life in prison is by no means an act of mercy.Quote:
gah... death penalty plz... i cant beileve i live in the same world as her crazy@$$... i am speechless. which for me is saying alot.
I know what they should do! They should open up her uterus, poop in it, and then show it shut again.
I believe this is the only punishment that will satisfy me.
That's what I was going to say.Quote:
I support life in prison without bail. Such is truly a harsher punishment.
Oh, thats a great idea. If that will really satisfy you, I would encourage you to watch such a scene, and I'd like to know if you would enjoy it. Or better yet, do it yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
Seriously, I can't understand how people can seriously wish their own state to stoop to things like that. I believe death penalty to be murder, in a legal way and crap, but still murder. You are basically getting someone who can't defend himself and killing him. Now, you may say the person may deserve it, but I really don't think someone, under rational circumstances, can pretend to judge over the life or death of someone. I can't see how death penalty can be compatible with democracy.
I wasn't serious. :|
Well, maybe a little serious.
Death by torture.
Come on people! Ok, she did bad, but are we going to be cruel and un caring like her? As cival human beings, we must make her stand trial before a jury and a judge, and let them decide what will happen. I don't wanna say this but...doors...death by torture? Come on...
I belive in the death penalilty, but only in extremes, I belive when someone commits a crime that robs others or tries to rob others of there lives the only suiting punishment is to have yours taken away. When you try to kill another person you give up your human rights in my view, you dont deserve them. Im a huge fan of helping the victim not the criminal in which alot of legal systems seem to do, so wheel of execution!
spin!
A) Beheading
B) burnt at the steak
C) Hanging
D) Electection
E) Leathal injection (why do they sterialise the needle before a leathal injection?)
So, why should she be helped when she tried to rob another human life, what of the other life that was innocent? is someone like that truely deserving no harsh punishment? I dont belive much to be to be a "tad to harsh" because she did someting terrable and evil, so why is it harsh? I would only draw the line at tourcher.
Its just an angry reaction to the story, like my response was.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazymcjoe
Of course we'll let her stand trial, then we'll torture her to death. :D
Uhh...are you serious? I'm by no means a knowledgable person about biology, but won't this lead to a horrible life of birth defects/mental retardation?Quote:
Originally Posted by noname
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Originally Posted by Doors
Maybe this is going a little to far... but on the other hand... she deserves the whorst!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuggly Blight
Nah, the baby's probably fine. They don't just turn retarded, though depending on the age of the fetus and stage of its development it may have some difficulty. A baby can survive premature birth as early as 26 weeks (out of... 35 ideal weeks of pregnancy, unless I've forgotten). If they baby was alive when they found it, that probably means its lungs developed fine and it'll be alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moose Knight
There may be an issue if it had trouble breathing for awhile; lack of oxygen to the brain can cause perminant retardation. I don't think that's the case though. I wish the article had said how far along the pregnancy was though because I'm half asleep and don't want to search for it.
F) Drawn and Quatering (with 4 nascars and steel cables)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuggly Blight
I dont understand why should we show any mercy on that piece of
You have to consider the horrible pain she must have caused to all who were close to him and all who were close to the woman she murdered.
And all that only to avoid dissapointing her husband.Montgomery is clearly a cruel, selfish and vile person.
I take back the death by torture thing but I think she should get a lethal injection.I dont think it would be fair for the family of the murdered Bobbie Jo Stinett that such a monster would be let live.
My opinion on what she deserves is based on whatever medical evidence is found as to her sanity. Sane or not, she IS a threat to society, and should be removed from it. If she is sane, then I would certainly support the death penalty as the crime was undoubtedly an evil one. But is it really right to execute someone who has mental problems and function correctly? I don't think so. That's no better than trying to murder a foetus.
A question to those who support life imprisonment: Why do you want a worse punishment for the woman? The way I see it, she needs to go to jail for life, not to be punished, but to keep her crazy ass from doing something stupid again.
Have you seen Eraserhead? Well, that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moose Knight
I see it the same way. I don't believe a state has to go punishing, it seems paternalist to me. I just believe they have to prevent more problems from happening.Quote:
The way I see it, she needs to go to jail for life, not to be punished, but to keep her crazy ass from doing something stupid again.
Death penalty :smash:
I don't believe in the death penalty. I think she needs to be committed.
Because. If we don't then we prove that we are no better than she is.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoorsI dont understand why should we show any mercy on that piece of
She is obviously mentally ill, and I think she should be committed to an asylum for life.
Maybe the woman does deserve the death penalty. I won't argue that. I will however, argue that there is no human on the planet who is in a lofty enough position to carry it out. No one is so far advanced that they are good enough to kill someone, regardless of what she did. That is why I oppose the death penalty, because there is not a person on the planet who has the right to kill her, even if she deserves it.
I aint so sure about that.She might just be a selfish cruel person who doesnt care about others.Likely though she is mentally ill...but that is for the court to decide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jebus
She deserves to be tortured and/or killed as long as I'm not the one to do it or the one who tells people to do it. *nod*
However terrible a crime it is, and how I am inclined to agree with you, I just do not support the death penalty at all. Perhaps it's mean of me to say it, but it's an easy way out, life imprisonment, to me, always seemed a much harsher sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
I don't think it's particularly fair to execute people with mental problems (the Nazis actually did), I also don't think it's fair for them to be able to have the ability to commit such crimes in the first place, and as such should have a chance at being cured of their mental problems. Mental problems or not though, I don't think it excuses what took place.
(and this must be my... what... third post in this forum in my two years plus at EoFF?).
not as a sinlge voice, but as a collective, a race we can decide that she is unfit to be apart of that race by trying to remove others from it. Kill her, stone her dead. Its also a great deterant.
We shouldnt waste any money buying food to that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Heath
Yes we should.Quote:
We shouldnt waste any money buying food to that...
Yeah, it could go to something humanitarian...like the military! :rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by Doors
She's American, not my money xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Doors
But we don't have the death sentence here, so maybe that's why I consider life imprisonment to be much worse.
The possibility of life after death is what she must worry herself about now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Behold the Void
Well, its certainly alive...I just thought, its obviously premature, and premature children often have birth defects, probably moreso if the birth was forced, as in this case. Then again, I know basically nothing about these matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
What would be the point of that other than costing tax payers money.Quote:
She is obviously mentally ill, and I think she should be committed to an asylum for life.
To try to give her the help she needs. Do you not think that sick people deserve treatment? Just because she doesn't suffer from a physical disease, it doesn't mean she doesn't need help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnage
As I said in another thread, it costs more money to execute someone than it does to hold them for life in prison. Its both financially and morally superior. If you killed her, you'd be no better than she is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnage
I'm not sure what I believe abuot the death penalty...but this woman shouldn't get it. I know I'm not the only one who finds this completely disgusting...I don't know how insane you'd have to be to do something like that. It's so...sick. To think that you have that kind of power, that you have that right to take someone's life...and their baby, for godsake....ugh.
But she should get life imprisonment----with no bail, of course. It's much, much worse. Yes, maybe it's more satisfying, in another way, to see someone like that really get what they deserve, but after that, it's over. There in another world, or whatever you want to believe. Life in jail...you have forty, fifty years to think about what you did. Why you did it. Why you couldn't control yourself. If you had done something differently, maybe you wouldn't be in this situation. It's horrible in a much different way, but horrible nonetheless.
---Would you rather get the lethal injection, and have it end quickly, or spend the rest of your life behind bars?
Ugh. I just...I can't believe another human being could do this to someone else. I like to think we're fairly intelligent, but...ah, nevermind. I want to get my mind off this.
:D
You know, all you SHE KILLED A MOMMY AND TOOK A BABY OMG DETH people, do you eat eggs? When you eat an egg, you take a baby away from a mother, and EAT IT. Then, you make me mommy have more babies so you CAN EAT THEM.
You should all die. Die die die. Baby eaters.
No, this doesn't make you crazy. But you do eat babies. Think about it. If chickens were as smart as us, you'd be in a mess.
Ok, serious mode.
If you want to murder sick people, you're just as sick as they are. If she did this for kicks and giggles, then yeah your ideas would have SOME validity. But how can you be such hypocrites and say YOU have the right to decide THIS woman needs to die, because she DIDN'T have the right to decide ANOTHER woman needed to die?
Baby Eaters.
Correct me if im wrong but I doubt most of you people have undergone misscarrages. Though im not going to defend this womens actions i would just like you to THINK and to see it from her point of view instead of going SHE DESERVES TO F***en die!! sick sick! Though i have never imagine of being put in such a situation i cannot begin to imagine what both the guilty and innocent familes are feeling at the moment...I am more worried about the child itself and its well-being to grow up without a mother figure!
I wouldn't oppose the death penalty here simply because of how demented and barbaric the crime was. However, life in prison would also be acceptable to me. What wouldn't be, is life in an asylum. I think that for the victim's family's sake, this woman needs to be punished. When we debate the consequences for people like Scott Peterson and her, we seem to only consider the criminal's rights. What about the victim's rights? They should see justice carried out. Medical treatment isn't justice. The punishment should fit the crime, as much as can be done without being barbaric about it. I don't support torture and the like, but I do think that there are people who don't deserve to live, and I also think that the justice system is qualified to determine who.
You know more tax dollars are spent when it comes to executing one man.Plus I'm against the death penalty myself mainly because innocent lives are lost each year.you know what atleast 30 to 40 percent of death row inmates don't have enough evidence against them and are still setenced to death.California and Texas are very famous for this.All other states really don't use the death penalty often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doors
ya know, I'm siding with Shlup on this one.
This crime was brutal, and illustrated a total and complete lack of consideration for the feelings or well being of another human being. Might I point out that this mother was gutted like a fish?
The accused has plenty symptoms to be diagnosed with Antisocial Personality disorder; the symptoms of which are: Lying without care or thought, complete disregard for the well-being of others, extreme ego-centrism, no thought whatsoever to consequences of action, and several others which I'm sure this woman also exhibits to a greater or lesser degree.
Ok. so we know her diagnosis. Insanity? nope. doesn't count because even though this personality disorder is present, the perpetrator is 100% aware of what they're doing. they just don't think they're doing anything wrong.
Locking her up in prison will provide her with a whole lot more victims since she'll go to a Federal all women's prison with a ton of other women, some of whom may become or are already pregnant. APD's will not care one wit about killing again, in prison or otherwise. nobody is safe around people like this.
therefore, in the interests of protecting society as well as other prisoners, I say tie a bungee around her neck and toss her off the Sears Tower. hang her high. Then bring down the body and burn it and scatter the ashes.
40 years of feeding him is more costly than one execution?Quote:
Originally Posted by lordblazer
Also I think that people like her cant be fixed.Ever.
I heard about this, I hate this woman but the death penalty isn't enough I always thought a lifetime in prison (or insane asluylm) is worst then death because your treated like dirt and get buttf**ked in prison and your always have a straight jacket on in some closterphobic room talking to yourself in an insane asluylm and when you die you spend eternity in Hell I think that's worse then just the Hell part and if sane fear of dying. I hate this woman for what she'd done and I hope she is punished.
The countless appeals from a person on death row makes the death penalty VERY expensive.Quote:
40 years of feeding him is more costly than one execution?
Yes, I understand that the woman did something wrong, but how can you all be so damn hateful?
That is sick. *shakes head*
"did something wrong" is not putting enough postage on an envelope, or driving too fast. Killing a pregnant woman, disecting her, then stealing her unborn baby and presenting it to family and friends as your own makes that sort of an understatement. Hate's never a good thing, but there are times when it's understandable. This woman doesn't deserve anyone's sympathy. Save your sympathy for the victims. As of yet, most people here seem to be putting the good of the criminal over the good of the victims. It doesn't seem right. Criminals deserve punishment. Punishment doesn't mean trying to make them better people. It means making their life as bad as possible for X amount of time to get them back for what they did. Save the "help" and the "reform" for after you make the criminal's life hell. In the case of a death sentence, you can leave them out completely.Quote:
Yes, I understand that the woman did something wrong, but how can you all be so damn hateful?
Garland's right.
besides, no amount of incarceration will deter this lady at all. why? for the simple reason that with her personality disorder (which is EXTREMELY hard to undo) she doesn't think she's done anything wrong. she may say she's sorry, but she also won't think twice about lying. She may act truly sorry, but people with this disorder are extremely clever and usually very convincing actors.
there is no helping the perpetrator.
all that can be done is to protect everybody around her.
I think we should give her 24 hours of public work and send her free!
After all we are too cruel to her to even think of imprisoning her.Where is our humanity.
/sarcasm
Understandable, yes. Acceptable? No.Quote:
Hate's never a good thing, but there are times when it's understandable.
I have no sympathy for the accused. However, I do not will suffering on her.Quote:
This woman doesn't deserve anyone's sympathy. Save your sympathy for the victims.
You have no right to punish anybody. Prison isn't about hurting someone, it's just their to keep order.Quote:
Punishment doesn't mean trying to make them better people. It means making their life as bad as possible for X amount of time to get them back for what they did. Save the "help" and the "reform" for after you make the criminal's life hell. In the case of a death sentence, you can leave them out completely.
I have no problem imprisoning her. But only to keep her away from society. She may deserve to be punished, but I have yet to meet any person who has been deified to an extent that they are worthy of carrying out a punishment. The notion that people have the right to punish other people simply because they did something that they deem as wrong is an absurd one, and it [/I]usually[I] says something negative about a persons character.Quote:
I think we should give her 24 hours of public work and send her free!
After all we are too cruel to her to even think of imprisoning her.Where is our humanity.
/sarcasm
down under we dont have the death penalty, which is a good thing. what happened is terrible and like something out of a movie (Aliens prehaps?) and more to the point that lady has to be mentaly ill at the least. i mean why lead everyone on that u are pregnant, and then murder someone in cold blood just so u can uphold the lie? doesnt make sense. yes she deserves to be punished, but the death penalty is the "easy" (and i use the term loosely) way out. it leaves no time to really think about what u have done, yeah it mey provide closure for the victims family, but would probably still leave an empty sort of feeling of "well is that it? she murded in cold blood and got the easy way out" life sentence would work well. what confuses me though, is how come her husband and their church, didnt notice the lack of a pregnant belly? yeah some people do have a small belly, but seriously. more to the point why did this lady's husband say he felt the baby kick? it was said she may have miscarried her own child, but there is little evidence they say. anyways, its a sick thing to have done, and she should be dealt with...within reason
If the death penalty was truly the easy way out, I ask you all, why not let her take it?
I really cant understand how these people can forgive her, and really dont seem to care what she did, I am a supporter of helping the victim and not the law breakers, why should we all suffer for there benifit? as this women AND an unborn child who had its chance for life denied by a pysco you want to pat on the head and say there there shes a nice girl really, lets not punish her for doing this becuase its not right, we dont have the right to punish someone who gutted a pregant women, took out her feteus and presented it to her family! Although life time prison sentance is bad, I dont want to take any chance she will do this to an inmate, or some human rights activists may try and release her sorry ass, by taking two human lives to me the only suitable punishment is to have hers taken away, she was aware of what she was doing and as they say, if you cant do the time dont do the crime.
I agree with Garland. She doesn't even have a mental problem I believe someone said, so they can be as harsh as they want to her.
As for just throwing someone in prison, did you ever think she could still be a hazard to society? Did you ever hear of breaking out of prison? Or prison fights? Who's to stop her from stabbing some pregnant person in prison open and stealing that baby?
And do you know what prison is like in America? It's not harsh or punishing. They have TVs and everything. For crap sake, Martha Stuwart went to a prison called "Camp Cupcake." Prisons are for punishing people, not giving a little time out.
Just image the pain of that mother, the husband, the family, and the pain that baby is gonna go through. Do you really think if that thing has no mental problem, that she deserves any mercy?
(God, just reading that made me heave a big shudder. I'm really scared of knives.)
We dont live in a perfect world.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
I agree with Garland her life should be made Hell for X amount of time she did something horrible and unforgivable and must be punished the poor child mother father and the rest of the family she must and will be punished this is horrible and I hope justice is served and she is shown no mercy or sympathy. I understand you people you think she be forgiven, shown some mercythen not only will she do something like this again and others will do something like this thinking they'll get off the hook or get a punishment that's not that bad. Or maybe she'll stop and other criminals will do the same. I think she should have a fair trial of course but we're all pretty sure she did it.
Ans yes this isn't a perfect world if this world was perfect this wouldn't have happened.
Fortunately for us both, a person isn't punishing her. The government is. We have a social contract with our government - everyone does. The government has our permission to punish wrong-doers. This was a civilized progression from vigilantism and blood feuds. No matter how things are done, people want wrong-doers to be punished. Justice has always been punishment first, reform second. It's only because the human rights movement has gone out of control, that the idea of punishment is being taken out of justice. The government is here to act in the interest of the people. When people are wronged, they want revenge. The government is here to make sure that the people's vengeance is never excessive, and is always consistant. It's there to make sure that people who aren't physically strong enough to get revenge themselves have an equal satisfaction in the law. Let the victim's family get their due satisfaction in the law. We owe them that.Quote:
She may deserve to be punished, but I have yet to meet any person who has been deified to an extent that they are worthy of carrying out a punishment.
She doesn't deserve death. I find it funny that people jump on a bandwagon that thinks two wrongs automatically makes things right.
She deserves life in prison, or at least prison for a very long time. But it's not up to me; the courts make the decisions on that.
torturate her, is the leats that they can do!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultima Shadow
Thankfully, that falls under the category of 'cruel and unusual punishment' and it is illegal in the states. I say, give her life imprisonment, with the possibility of parol if she REALLY shows that she has changed. However I doubt that will happen.Quote:
torturate her, is the leats that they can do!!
i gotta say i never want her on the streets again. A person who could do this... i just dont beileve theres any help for her. This is beyond just murder... i am lacking in words to describe my feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
I think they should give her the penalty if they are going to to Scott Peterson because it 's no worse I don't really agree with the penalty though. "You killed someone so now we'll kill you and make everything better."
You're wrong about her deserving to die. Death's too good for her.
Yes u're right but did you see what she did? I think that whatever the punishment will be it won't be enough...Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy the Clown
I agree with Garland's point here, and with others who agree that the victim's family have a right to vengence to the extent permitted by law. Now, if I may go slightly off topic...Quote:
Originally Posted by Garland
I hope that the family of the little girl has the ability and good sense to keep the horrible details of her mother's death, and her own 'birth', hidden from this poor child for a long, long time. I hope they tell her that her mother didn't survive a car crash or operation or something, anything but the gory truth. I am afraid however, that in this 'Age of Information' the girl will find out the truth while still quite young and be horribly traumatized. Your thoughts? :cry:
I thing that this woman did something very bad but i'm not the one who can punish her.
Hyper-critical constructive criticism:The chicken eggs we eat aren't fertilized.Quote:
Originally Posted by fire_of_avalon
On topic edit: I really don't care if she fries or rots, as long as we can be assured that she'll never do anything horrible again.