Oscar winning Anime

Well can Ghost in the shell 2 innocence, repeat Spirited away from 2003 and win an oscar for best Animated feature?

i know the nomination have not been released yet, but i can not see the nominations being anything other then GITS 2 (Espically as it competed in Cannes), Shrek 2 and The Incrediables. fanboy naivety on my part perhaps?

Shrek 2 will not beat The Incrediables imho. But Incrediables was nowhere near a 100% winner like finding Nemo was, and surely its time the academy chose an intellegent adult anime, espically after how popular the first film was?

The full possible nomination list is...

"Clifford’s Really Big Movie". ..yeah... whatever...
"Disney’s Teacher’s Pet" no chance
"Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence" :cool:
"Home on the Range" awful
"The Incredibles" the favourate
"The Legend of Buddha" what is this?
"The Polar Express" the spirit of xmas? soapy chesse
"Shrek 2" disapointing
"Shark Tale" terribly panned
"Sky Blue" again, i dont know this
"The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie" cult popularity... wildcard

what do u ppl think?

The day an anime wins an oscar, is the day I'll never take any oscar serious ever again.

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Originally Posted by Levian

The day an anime wins an oscar, is the day I'll never take any oscar serious ever again.

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Originally Posted by Levian

The day an anime wins an oscar, is the day I'll never take any oscar serious ever again.

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Too late for that. Spirited Away won an Oscar.

so that means u already dont right? as Spirited Away won in 2003. Not the best Anime, but still worthy.

its a travisty that at least Akira, Ghost in the Shell and Princess Mononoke never won oscars( there was no animation oscar back then right? hell they didnt need to, they should have won best picture).

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Originally Posted by t3h j3ff

Too late for that. Spirited Away won an Oscar.

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Ok, then I guess that day was in 2003. :mad:

The Incredibles has it in the bag. Seriously.

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Originally Posted by Levian

Ok, then I guess that day was in 2003. :mad:

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Akira should have won in 1988 (61st academy awards) instead of RAIN MAN. Ghost in the Shell should have won in 1995 (68th academy awards) over BRAVEHEART", (yes, even a film as good as that) while princess mononoke should have won in 1997 (70th academy awards) over that TITANIC crap.

Eh, I don't like anime but Spirited Away was pretty good and I wasn't disappointed to see it win. As a rule though, anime should stay far, far away from the Oscars.

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Originally Posted by Levian

The day an anime wins an oscar, is the day I'll never take any oscar serious ever again.

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That's like me saying I won't take them seriously because Fantasy films have won oscars. I really don't understand. Why would it be just fine and dandy for an American animated movie to win one then? And as was already stated, it's already happened. :D

Although, I never really cared who won what anyway...doesn't affect what I'll watch or my personal opinion of it, like it does with you people, apparently.

this is fun...

1984 Academy awards

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"MACROSS- DO YOU REMEMBER LOVE", "The Killing Fields", "Amadeus", "Places in the Heart", "A Soldier's Story"

1987
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"THE WINGS OF THE HONNEAMISE ", "Fatal Attraction", "Hope and Glory", "The Last Emperor"

1988
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"AKIRA", "The Accidental Tourist", "Grave of the Fireflies", "Mississippi Burning", "Rain Man"

1989
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"PATLABOR", "Born on the Fourth of July", "Dead Poets Society", "Field of Dreams", "Urotsukidoji: Legend of the Overfiend"

1993
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"PATLABOR 2", "The Fugitive", "Schindler's List", "Winds of Amnesia", "The Remains of the Day"

1994
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"THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION", "Ninja Scroll", Pulp Fiction", "Quiz Show", "Forest Gump"
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1995
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"GHOST IN THE SHELL", "Apollo 13", "Braveheart", "Il Postino", "Sense and Sensibility"

1996
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"BLACK JACK", "Fargo", "The English Patient", "Secrets and Lies", "Shine"


1997
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"END OF EVANGELION", "L.A. Confidential", "Titanic", "Princess Mononoke", "Perfect Blue"

1999
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"X", "The Cider House Rules", "American Beauty", "The Insider", "The Sixth Sense"

2000
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"BATTLE ROYALE," "Gladiator," "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon," "Erin Brockovich," "Traffic"

2001
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"THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING "A Beautiful Mind " "Metropolis," "Cowboy Bebop: Knockin on Heavens Door," "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within"

2002
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"THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE TWO TOWERS," "Gangs of New York," "The Hours," "Spirited Away" "The Pianist"

2003
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"THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING," "Lost In Translation," "Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World," "Mystic River," "Kill Bill Vol 1"

Is GitS2 going to win? No. Does it deserve to win? Probably not. I have not seen it but if it is like the first one then no it does not deserve to win(I like the first one but its not that good).

What's with you and anime? Seriously, the chances of an anime winning Best Picture in the Oscars is 1 in a million. I don't recall any of the anime you listed being in American Theaters.

Anyway, I enjoy anime myself, but I don't treat them any higher then other movies. Anyway, to answer your original first question about Ghost in the shell 2. No, it's unlikely it'll even get nominated. I never watched it, nor know that was out in the movie theaters.

To be even considered an Oscar nomination, a movie or animation should be viewed in theaters nation-wide, as far as I'm concerned. Why Spirited Away did so well, it was brought over to America from the folks of Bueno Vista, translated by American (voice) actors, and made an impact.

I'm all for anime being a contender, but it doesn't matter to me, really. Anime has its ups and downs, just like any other medium, and so long as it isn't discarded just BECAUSE it is anime, it is all fine with me.

According to an oscars site, GITS2 will be eligibable 4 a nomination, as it has been released in some US theatres, and competed in Cannes (losing to Michael Moore of course).

And oh, the oscar thing above was a fanboy joke, none of those Animes except Ghost in the Shell would have been elibiable.

And Ghost in the Shell easily deserved to win best picture.

I dont value the Oscars or anything...i mean, when things like Titantic win Oscars, then you know there is sumthin up. I just Want Anime to get some real credit, instead of ignoring it all unless it is by Miyazaki.

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Originally Posted by DMKA

That's like me saying I won't take them seriously because Fantasy films have won oscars. I really don't understand. Why would it be just fine and dandy for an American animated movie to win one then? And as was already stated, it's already happened. :D

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Really, I don't see what people have against anime.

its not "American" you see. most pp think Non-American=foreign stuff=cultural bias= bad.

Ok,thats not true here. i honestly do not think most anime hating ppl here think that. i,m just talking genrally.

I just find it wierd that ppl that play FF hate Anime as to me

Final Fantasy=Anime

Anyway :) .

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Originally Posted by aeris2001x2

Final Fantasy=Anime

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No. :)

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Originally Posted by Levian

No. :)

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yes. :)

Has any cartoon ever won Best Picture? I don't think any cartoon ever has. I am not sure but I don't think animation can qualify for Best Picture(which is why it has its own catagory).

I don't think it wil win because it doesn't deserve to win,it has the best visuals in history and good music(which is reapeted throughout the movie btw) but that is all,everything else is not that imrpessive.

Here are some reviews,they explain things better than me,I disagree with some of the grades and the reviews in this site but i totaly agree with them on this one

http://www.animeacademy.com/finalrevdisplay.php?id=468

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Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm

Has any cartoon ever won Best Picture? I don't think any cartoon ever has. I am not sure but I don't think animation can qualify for Best Picture(which is why it has its own catagory).

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The only animation with a Best Picture nomination is Beauty and The Beast.

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Originally Posted by aeris2001x2

its not "American" you see. most pp think Non-American=foreign stuff=cultural bias= bad.

Ok,thats not true here. i honestly do not think most anime hating ppl here think that. i,m just talking genrally.

I just find it wierd that ppl that play FF hate Anime as to me

Final Fantasy=Anime

Anyway :) .

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So everyone should go watch some anime because they'll be guaranteed 100% to like it for it's "artistry" despite it being from Japan, which is why no one will watch it, which is stupid, because Japan is a perfect society where everyone will love you if you love their culture, right?

I've watched a fair bit of anime. I used to sit up late on Thursdays to catch all the stuff they used to show, like Evangelion and all the movies they showed. I've been playing FF for years too, so animation and games being the "culture" you refer to, I've experienced a bit of it. And I can honestly say I would rather sit and watch an episode of South Park than any anime I've seen. Not the greatest example, but no matter how open minded the world can be, not everyone (in fact a minority) would value anime as highly as yourself. Not everyone thought Akira was an outstanding reflection of whatever, or that Ghost In The Shell was the be all end all of the world. Anime will likely never win Best Picture because very few people are actually into it. Get over it.

Did you know, that it's a trend in Japan to be as American as possible, and embrace their culture in the same vein as the whole "Otaku" thing? I saw something on it on TV, go me.

I have never even heard of "Ghost in the Shell." There is absolutely no chance of it being nominated. You're letting your fanboy-ness get the better of you. Shrek 2 and The Incredibles were both great. And Titanic was a wonderful, wonderful movie.

I don't like anime, primarily because of anime fanboys. It's not mature, but it's inevitable to me. Anime, in my humble opinion, is one of the most overrated things I've ever seen. Is it because they're Japanese? No, it's because they appeal to only one group, virtually, because most other age groups think the same way I do.

Anime is so well-liked because it has something for literally everyone. There is an anime for everyone and the people that say they hate anime are people that are too ignorant/stubborn to actually look past godawful animes like DBZ, Pokemon, Digimon, etc., than to actually watch good animes that have amazing plots, such as Full Metal Alchemist and InuYasha. I bet you anything that if the good animes were shown before DBZ and Pokemon, anime would be 30 times as popular.

Its either gonna be The Incredibles or Shrek 2. No contest.

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Originally Posted by SomethingBig

Anime is so well-liked because it has something for literally everyone. There is an anime for everyone and the people that say they hate anime are people that are too ignorant/stubborn to actually look past godawful animes like DBZ, Pokemon, Digimon, etc., than to actually watch good animes that have amazing plots, such as Full Metal Alchemist and InuYasha. I bet you anything that if the good animes were shown before DBZ and Pokemon, anime would be 30 times as popular.

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Yep...that's about right.

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Originally Posted by Kirobaito

I have never even heard of "Ghost in the Shell." There is absolutely no chance of it being nominated. You're letting your fanboy-ness get the better of you. Shrek 2 and The Incredibles were both great. And Titanic was a wonderful, wonderful movie.

I don't like anime, primarily because of anime fanboys. It's not mature, but it's inevitable to me. Anime, in my humble opinion, is one of the most overrated things I've ever seen. Is it because they're Japanese? No, it's because they appeal to only one group, virtually, because most other age groups think the same way I do.

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That pretty much sums up how I feel about anime.

And to refer to SomethingBig's post, I do hate anime...doesn't mean I only watched DBZ and Pokemon. Those shows are atrocious. Just because I hate anime doesn't mean I'm blinded by not seeing "good" anime. I've seen Jubei, Ronin Warriors, and Cowboy Bebop. I just don't like them, so you have to accept the fact that not everyone will like what you like.

Honestly though, every hardcore anime fan that I've seen either doesn't have a job or is some kind of computer nerd. I'm not saying this is true of every anime fan, but at some point you'd think they quit stereotyping themselves. Then every summer when the Otakon comes to town, people are like "OMG, it's going to be the bestest ever"...right in the middle of a class lecture.

But KB is right, don't let your fanboy-ness bias your lens for the truly good movies like the Incredibles and Shrek 2.

Roofls, I just saw Shrek 2 and hated it with a passion, whereas Cowboy Bebop: Knocking on Heaven's Door was an artistic msaterpiece. You can't say it isn't without having actually seen the fight scene on the tower. But there really is an anime for everyone. Until you've seen each and every show, you can't say that you hate anime. You may hate a huge number of them, but in order for you to hate them all, you'd need to hate TV.

Ghost in the Shell: Innocence will be nominated, if only for the outstandingly beautiful animation, it will certainly not win, if only for the fact that The Acadamy is a huge hype tracking machine, and the fact that Shrek 2 and The Incredibles have much more of a universal appeal to adults and children, the same way holsome and not confusing at all Spirted Away did.

And Dingo's right, being an anime fanboy is bad. Being a fanboy for anything is bad, infact, be it anime, or say... Micheal Jordan shoes. :eek:

Anime is okay. I like Tenchi Muyo, and the older DBZs, but it's overrated.

Note: I do not like SpongeBob so don't take this personal.

If SpongeBob the Movie won I would wonder what the world has to come too. I think society is easily amused by simplistic, pointless, waste of paper, animation. in other worlds people like SpongeBob!!!!It's evil and should be banned from television

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Originally Posted by SomethingBig

Roofls, I just saw Shrek 2 and hated it with a passion, whereas Cowboy Bebop: Knocking on Heaven's Door was an artistic msaterpiece. You can't say it isn't without having actually seen the fight scene on the tower. But there really is an anime for everyone. Until you've seen each and every show, you can't say that you hate anime. You may hate a huge number of them, but in order for you to hate them all, you'd need to hate TV.

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Like I said in another thread, CB being an artistic masterpiece is strictly an opinion, as is my opinion on S2. Again, it's easy for you to say that fight in the tower was like "omg way awesomeness", but that's because you're a fan of it. Much like it's easy to say "whatever" because I've been disappointed by the quality of anime. I don't think I have to watch EVERY show to judge anime, because my life as it is right now simply would not allow it.

Also, TV has more than just anime. Just because someone hates anime, doesn't mean they hate TV. I tend to prefer flesh like movies, and sports. Again, my preference. I'd take a boring Indians vs. Mariners game any day of the week over another countless anime that disappoints me to no end.

I liked Pokemon and Digimon, but they may be just me. :p

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Originally Posted by Dingo Jellybean

Again, it's easy for you to say that fight in the tower was like "omg way awesomeness", but that's because you're a fan of it.

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I wasn't talking about the actual fight; I was talking about the art, the visually stunning animation and the symbolism.

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Originally Posted by Dingo Jellybean

Also, TV has more than just anime. Just because someone hates anime, doesn't mean they hate TV. I tend to prefer flesh like movies, and sports. Again, my preference. I'd take a boring Indians vs. Mariners game any day of the week over another countless anime that disappoints me to no end.

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I wasn't trying to get at that. I was saying that I don't see how you can hate all anime, but not hate TV. Like DMKA said, it's a genre with thousands of sub-genres. You can't dislike all animes if you haven't seen them all. It's like saying you hate all sports, but you've only played basketball.

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Originally Posted by aeris2001x2

Akira should have won in 1988 (61st academy awards) instead of RAIN MAN. Ghost in the Shell should have won in 1995 (68th academy awards) over BRAVEHEART", (yes, even a film as good as that) while princess mononoke should have won in 1997 (70th academy awards) over that TITANIC crap.

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Look, I love anime, but I think you're taking fanboyism a bit too far. Akira is not a better movie than Rain Man. Ghost in the Shell is not a better movie than Braveheart. However, I think that Princess Mononoke is an absolute masterpiece, and far exceeds Spirited Away. Maybe, just maybe, it deserved to win Best Picture.

Just because someone says they "hate anime" doesn't mean they hate every single anime that exists, and I'm sure people who love anime don't love every single anime out there either.

People shouldn't place too much emphasis on genre, a good movie is a good movie, is a good movie.

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Originally Posted by Miriel

Just because someone says they "hate anime" doesn't mean they hate every single anime that exists, and I'm sure people who love anime don't love every single anime out there either.

People shouldn't place too much emphasis on genre, a good movie is a good movie, is a good movie.

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Thank you.

Not that anyone ever listens to that simple logic.

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Originally Posted by Miriel

Just because someone says they "hate anime" doesn't mean they hate every single anime that exists, and I'm sure people who love anime don't love every single anime out there either.

People shouldn't place too much emphasis on genre, a good movie is a good movie, is a good movie.

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I agree, but DJ makes it sound like he hates all anime.

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Originally Posted by Miriel

Just because someone says they "hate anime" doesn't mean they hate every single anime that exists, and I'm sure people who love anime don't love every single anime out there either.

People shouldn't place too much emphasis on genre, a good movie is a good movie, is a good movie.

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I,m a fanboy, i already admited that. But sometimes i am genuine. When i say, Akira or Ghost in the Shell should have won, i mean it. Not because of my fanboyness...but because thats my objective as possible opinion. At the same time, i would not have given Ninja scroll an oscar over Pulp Fiction, Forest Gump or Shawnshank redemption (are you crazy) and the LOTR films were easy better then any Anime that could have competed. I,m not as bias as you may think. i love films and tv.

And yes, i have seen at least 30 crap Anime, and think of all the crap that is never released in the west cause it is so crap?

oh, Shrek 2 does not deserve victory imho.i have not seen the incrediables. it looks crap, but i cant judge till i watch. However unless its is somehow BETTER then Finding Nemo, it should not be a sure winner. At the very least GITS 2 should be Nominated, as there is nothing to keep it out (even though it has not been dubbed in English so i heard). Then i do not care if the Incrediables Hype machine crushes it. I just want to se GITS 2 get what it deserves...at least a nomination. (and if that dire Sharks Tale somehow gets nominated i will scream).