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this really only applies to great Brittish members of the forums, so whats your oppinion on the fox hunting ban, do you think it's about time or is foz-hunting now such a part of our tradition that it shouldnt be done away with it
personnaly i think that fox hunting is cruel and inhumane, but thats my oppinion :choc:
Shooting a fox? 'kay.
Torturing a fox? No thanks.
Whee, let's shoot an defenseless animal because it has no voice and it'd make me look awesome to have a fox pelt.
Honestly, hunting is horrible unless it's actually for food.
okay for you Americans that dont know the basics, fox hunting was done as a pest control method, which is why there is the argument against the ban, although it is a very cruel way of doing so and people do it for fun, :choc:
How long ago was it done as a pest control method?
im not sure, but i think that's how it came about :choc:
Yeah I saw it on the discovery channel come one dude we aren't a bunch of isolationist idiots.But yeah fox hunting should be banned.Heck I wish they'd ban deer hunting here in the states.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squinn
i disagree with fox-hunting. Especially when the hunt goes by my parents house and im trying to sleep :mad: .
You dont need that many people with guns and dogs to kill one fox; who cares if its a tradition- if we look at it that way, why not bring back the tradition of no votes for women, or bear-baiting?? NO, because these things are wrong.
You can still shoot foxes, you can still use dogs to flush them out. The ban just means that the dogs can't kill the fox.
this was never about the fox, in reality being shot is just as painful and torturous as being bitten on the back of the neck by hounds. It was allways an attack upon the countryside middle class by a labour party far short of left wing policys that it's supporters demand.
fox can be hunted in a way like deer/or elk here in america (the two are different in hunting methods believe it or not). or you can use cage traps. the whole horse, dog thing is a waste of energy.
What??? BANNING THE RIGHT OF A BUNCH OF SNOOTY SNOBISH MEN TO KILL HELPLESS ANIMALS WITH CRUELTY???
Scandal!
:rolleyes2
They could try to do the same thing over here with bull fighting, although in the case of Spain bull fighting has becomed a very representative cultural icon, and I must admit that even though I hate it. And it's not something new, a few days ago I was looking at a XVIII century novel written by a Spanish man, where he critizized it too, he basically thought people who enjoyed it were primitive idiots.
But well, even though I wouldn't care for it's banning, because I consider it a horrible atrocity, I realise it would be preety hard to end it, not only because it's the main icon of Spanish culture (heh, says much about us) but it also moves A LOT of money. For example, many famous bullfighters in Spain are as important as Hollywood stars are to USA, or in other words, it fills pages and pages of pink press, it's not strange to see a bullfighter in the cover of "Hello" magazine, or any similar crap (I think "Hello" makes a good example, since it's a magazine that comes out in almost all of Europe, buy you know the idea, basically magazines of celebrities selling their lifes and then complaining about lack of privacy).
i saw some bullfighting once it was highly entertaining, the bull won.
So should we stop putting rat pellets down, or using insecticide etc? Personally I don't care about the fox, and I don't care about the hunt. It's funny really, the government have brought in this new rule that doesn't change a great deal but has the pro-ban people thinking they've won. It's quite clever really but it will all blow over soon and just as many foxes will get killed.
ok, we sort of hve the first point sorted out now, what do you think the punishment for hunting with dogs should be :choc:
You mean the punishment for using dogs to kill the fox. The dog is still allowed on the hunt.
yeah thats what i meant, sorry if i was unclear :choc:
a fine of 1 English pound.
Can that be paid in coppers and silver, or does it have to come in the form of a nice round pound coin?
Tear their faces off and open their torsos with a retractor, and then hang their carcass in the city walls to give example. And make sausages with their intestines.
See, hunting for me is to hang out near a game trail, usually in a high hide and wait for the animal i'm hunting to come by. saves energy, gets me the food for winter, keeps the population down so they don't overeat the availible resources, works pretty good. except that you use old clothes you don't mind getting dirty because you will get dirty. and you camoflage yourself as best as possible so the animal won't get suspicious.
Getting all dressed up in a bright red coat so the fox, your hunting partners, God and everybody can see you, riding around on a horse and blowing a horn while a pack and a half of dogs go chase down one animal is not only not hunting, it's silly.
Dogs would kill the fox anyways if the dogs weren't tied up. One dog by itself will be the nicest, sweetest, most gentle thing in the world. get 2 or 3 more together and set them loose, and they'll always find a chicken or a sheep to kill. Pack mentality. It's hardwired into them. can't be unprogrammed.
I think we should ban fishing. We spear fish through the face with a metal hook, forcibly drag them onto land, and just sit there and watch them suffocate. Why is the life of a fish worth so much less than the life of a fox? Animal life seems to be worth more to most people depending upon how furry and cute it is.
I think killing animals for fun isn't something I'd enjoy or even enjoy watching someone else do, but I don't think it should be illegal as a universal rule.
Well, it's normal to have stronger feelings towards something similar to you, and in this case foxes are mammals, and look similar to dogs and cats, wich are animals we owe as pets. And foxes are cute, that helps too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Unne
And what makes the life of a fox to appear more important than the life of a fish is exactly the same feeling that makes us feel the life of a human being worth more than that of a fox (Well, it depends on the human being, but I mean as general rule). Because I could not rationalize why a fox is considered more than a fish, but I could not rationalize either why a human being is more than a fish. I can only say I feel it that way, because I am human being- incurable illness- and obviously I feel more empathy towards that similar to me. But rationally, you can't really explain in some irrefutable and wonderful way why humans are worth more. You just take it as obvious. You can start saying "well, we are rational and thus understand death in a different way and suffer more", but still that dosen't seem a perfect argument: what we define as "alive" works in the same way in animals and in humans. Sure, humans used to be considered something something above animals- it's Christian tradition, God created man to rule over all the creatures of Earth- but really, Copernicus, Darwin and finally and most importantly, Sigmund Freud and Charcot, already prooved we are really not that special. So in the end, it's about our feelings.
Well, I think killing animals for fun is something sadistic. If you go hunting/fishing and then don't eat what you hunt, you are- in my opinion- quite an asshole.Quote:
I think killing animals for fun isn't something I'd enjoy or even enjoy watching someone else do, but I don't think it should be illegal as a universal rule.