Zombie Terror Threat
I REALLY am at a loss for words :mad: .
Does any one know if this is real (god I hope not!)?
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Zombie Terror Threat
I REALLY am at a loss for words :mad: .
Does any one know if this is real (god I hope not!)?
I doubt it, but it wouldn't surprise me... I have such a lovely opinion of humanity...
That has got to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, and I truly would not doubt that it happened.
It is. I was discussing it a couple of days ago. Sad, sad.
It is true. The kid was arrested, but our aspiring author didn't write about zombies at all.
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/11086999.htm
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And, as it turns out, Poole's writings include no brain-eating dead folks.
What they do contain, Winchester police Detective Steven Caudill testified yesterday, is evidence that he had tried to solicit seven fellow students to join him in a military organization called No Limited Soldiers.
The writings describe a bloody shootout in "Zone 2," the designation given to Clark County.
"All the soldiers of Zone 2 started shooting," Caudill read on the witness stand. "They're dropping every one of them. After five minutes, all the people are lying on the ground dead."
The papers contain two different dates of Poole's death.
Poole has corresponded with someone in Barbourville who claimed to have acquired cash and guns in break-ins, Caudill testified.
That still doesn't give proof-beyond-reasonable-doubt that he was planning on doing anything illegal.
They dont need that anymore.
*sighs* Apparently. *shakes head sadly*
The entire point of the outrage was because he was being arrested for writing a story about zombies. I was just pointing out that his story was not about zombies, and is therefore not all that ludicrous.
Still ludicrous, as I still haven't seen any evidence of probable cause.
I'm not contending whether or not he was planning to do anything bad. I've only read two one-page articles on the case, I have no grounds to judge anyone. I'm just saying that writing a macabre, eerily close-to-home story about an underground militia is a whole lot more suspicious than a story about a fantasy zombie attack.
And what if they hadn't arrested him and his plan be succesful and it turned out to be a ploy and we would of had another trenchcoat mafia incident on our hands? Then the parents are whining "how could this happen?" "how could we prevented this?" "this is the goverment's fault for not doing thier jobs! Let's sue someone blargh!"
So.. now we come at a cross-road.. do we protect ourselves from POSSIBLE threats, and destroy our subtle liberties..
Or do we allow ourselves to be exposed to the worst and reap the reprocussions of having choices and will?
You as a person have to decide what is more important to you, freedom or security. Neither the boy, nor the state is at fault here. Both are but victims of the law of our universe that we must follow wether we like too or not to insure our survival.
Freedom or security, it's what it always has come down too..
You can't arrest someone on potential. First off, to even get an arrest warrant, you must show probable cause that a crime was committed, or is in the process of being carried out.Quote:
And what if they hadn't arrested him and his plan be succesful and it turned out to be a ploy and we would of had another trenchcoat mafia incident on our hands? Then the parents are whining "how could this happen?" "how could we prevented this?" "this is the goverment's fault for not doing thier jobs! Let's sue someone blargh!"
Absolutely not. It's called the 4th Amendment.Quote:
So.. now we come at a cross-road.. do we protect ourselves from POSSIBLE threats, and destroy our subtle liberties..
That only comes into a controversy when people forget the main purpose of the entire judicial system: the protection of life and liberty of the innocent, not the punishment of the guilty.Quote:
You as a person have to decide what is more important to you, freedom or security. Neither the boy, nor the state is at fault here. Both are but victims of the law of our universe that we must follow wether we like too or not to insure our survival.
*adds Kentucky to the list*
Well this is america in america people love to punish young people and lock them up forever ruining there lives.Just because they're young and they might jump up a kill everybody.yep yep good ole america.
BTW i would say this is a fake but it isn't.My little step brother got kicked out his old school last year for talking about a FPS game called Rainbow Six 3.We,l he was actually talking aobut an experience ont eh game but a girl over heard him.He was talking about how he was in survival mode and everyone was just killing each other and how he owned them all with his desert eagle.Well the little girls overheard and told the teacher "hey hey hey nick said will kill people with a DE."
Twisted and turned his word and the sad thing about it is kids lie all the time and the innocent always gets in trouble.Now he was lucky to be in a private school.But if he was in a public school he'd be locked up in juvy then moved into prison when he turned 18.by then he would have been raped and harassed by the guards in juvy.
Long story short don't talk about FPS games in school.Actually don't talk about death period in school.Don't write a hitlist in your journal and say your not serious because you will be treated as a killer and criminal off that potential.This is what I find funny.School shootings have been happening in predominately minority public schools.As soon as two white boys go crazy and kill a bunch of white people the whole country just goes under shock and decides to do something about school shootings.But before colubine it was just another black or hispanic who got killed.Anyway I'll leave that bit to a end so i don't start another controversial debate.
This article is stupid but I can actually believe something like that happening.Something so damn unrealistic.They just wanted to arrest that kid and spend a bunch of your tax dollars to keep him locked up.
Ok... before I go ballistic and make a fool of myself I have to ask this. What is the real truth here? I understand it to be like this: A kid writes a story for his english class about an illegal, underground militia that has a bloody shootout in the town.
I can, to some degree, understand it if they arrested him if the story had the shootout IN the school, but as far as I can tell that is not the case. Is it?
(Even if it WAS the case they still couldn't convict him of anything... Right?)
1. The shooting was, I believe in the town. However, that still does not give probable cause that he was actually going to do it(not just that he was thinking about it, but that he was actually planning on executing it). I could understand bringing him in for questioning, but not for charging him with a crime.Quote:
I can, to some degree, understand it if they arrested him if the story had the shootout IN the school, but as far as I can tell that is not the case. Is it?
(Even if it WAS the case they still couldn't convict him of anything... Right?)
2. I sure as hell hope not. If they have any solid evidence, I haven't seen it anywhere.
This is one of the things I hate, when people try to legislate on possibility. I realize I do support some actions that might be considered as such (like safety standards for businesses and what have you) but as a general rule, I dislike punishing someone because they "might" do something. Having a reasonable amount of proof is one thing, but a story? Come ON!
And another thing, the teachers say they didn't assign such a writing topic. Well, so what? I'm writing a novel myself, people don't ONLY write for school.
Then again, why would he turn it into his teachers if they did not assign that as a writing topic?
I've done it myself on several occassions, generally I trust my writing teachers to give me good feedback if they have time.
I am with Behold the void on this one... I write out of class... and some of it is quite violent.
It is just so silly... I remember 2 years ago we had to write a "scary" story in a place that we are familar with. The teacher told us that we were not allowed to use the names of people we knew.. because that could cause controversy and get us.. and potentially him in trouble... WTH??!!!
it is just a story folks... likely it is harmless.... haven't ya'll ever heard of writing as a way to calm one's soul?!
excuse that rant... but really people should write more... it might up the american literacy rate.
AHHH! ZOMBIES! THEY'RE GONNA EAT MY BRAINS!!!!!!!! Nah, I think he's bluffing and he has lost the plot...BIG TIME. Some freak, trying to rase an army to destroy the world.
I'm going to write ny next paper on porcupines battling eachother with powers bestowd upon them from Satan in Liverpool, England and see what happens. Of course, I'm in Uni, so the result will be quite different, I'm sure.
Yeah, see, this is why I don't let anyone but a select few read my writings. In fourth grade, I made a comment about how, if I had a bomb, I'd blow up my bus, and, of course, they flipped out. I'm lucky this was before Columbine, otherwise I might have ended up in Juvy. (Or a mental ward. They tried to do that too.)
Crap, I have so much messed up stuff in my notebook. I better hide it from everyone or else I will be commited for writing my fictional story about someone commiting suicide!
"He faces a second-degree felony terrorist threatening charge after investigators discovered "materials at Poole's home that outline possible acts of violence aimed at students, teachers, and police".
I'd say this is reasonable.
"An 18-year-old US student is today behind bars after police uncovered his plot to raise a zombie army and attack his high school".
*Doubles checks*
"a...zombie...army"
I'd go as far as to say that was absolutely ridiculous.
But that's not reasonable. "Second-degree felony terrorist threatening" means he had to threaten someone with terrorist actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.K
Also, the "materials that outline possible acts of violence" is absurd. That's like arresting someone with a baseball bat who had been in an argument with someone for assault based on "materials that outline possible acts of violence aimed at [whoever he was arguing with]."
That's sick.
Man, where I live I could tell my teachers about how I killed people with a rocket launcher yesterday without having any trouble at all. I guess I could even write about Terrorists in my school books without having problems. :greenie:
Seriously... all this just because of a story about Zombies? What the **** is up with some people?
As far as 'limitations on free speech' I was taught in government class (in 2001, before the extremely evil Patriot Act) that the only limitations on such were yelling fire in a theatre and threatening to kill the President. I pointed this out and asked "Well, what if we threatened to kill the Vice President? Or a teacher? Or our parents?" these things are not arrestable offenses. Sure, they can get your butt in trouble at school, get you smacked into counseling or sent off to military school (all decisions made by the school/parents) but I was taught that it cant get you sent to jail. The fact that this kid was sent to jail spits in the face of human rights, I feel.
That's really pathetic, if it is true. It's LITERATURE, not a notebook of plans stating the chemicals to a bomb or something.
If this stuff gets any worse, the guy who writes the Lemony Snicket books will get arrested for writing how to make a molotov cocktai in his first book.
This is sick, and something needs to be done to help this poor kid.
He has done nothing. I have two, real guns in my closet. If I were to write a questionable story, would I go to jail for it because I had guns in my room? Is that evidence that I am going to use them? No way in hell! I don't care what anybody says, America is no longer the land of the free!
Sad, but true.
Zero Tolerance=Zero Thought.
Literally--with a zero-tolerance policy in place, you don't have to think about it at all. You don't have to review the evidence, you don't have to make any judgement calls, you don't to basically do your job as a teacher or administrator. And if it's a bad call and parents get pissed, you have the rulebook to fall back on.
That's why in Georgia a student was expelled for having a "Tweety Bird" keychain on the grounds that it coule be used as a weapon. Another student was expelled for bringing a weapon to school--an eight-inch wooden bat from a baseball trophy.... and as a member of the baseball team he had several aluminum real baseball bats, designed and weighted specifically for striking things, in the trunk of his car, that they never had a problem with. Another student was expelled because she'd moved the previous weekend and accidently left a steak-knife in her car. I don't know if anyone's compiled all the incidents yet, but there are a lot
And Redneck, the fact that all of that has happened is just unacceptable. It is because of this that 'Zero tolerance' policies should never be put into place anywhere.
It's OK if you're rich. You can write books, direct movies and make video games about murder, rape, terrorism and whatever else you please. However, if you're poor, it's wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
Or something.
I would have to disagree with you here D. (To some degree at least.) It doesn't matter if you are rich, it only becomes "right" when you can make it sell (And then become rich. :p)