Just a rainbow idea.

Instead of abusing the feedback forum, is it possible to update the guideline so we won't get further threads like the past few threads that has been closed.

I mean, the feedback forum is to discuss how the staff of the forum is doing, and for suggestions that may improve the forums in some way. Not to complain about why someone has a larger avatar, or make a stupid request like "let's make this a new rule," because that's not the purpose for this forum.

I know it may sound like a dumb request, but I'm tired of seeing dumb threads that has nothing to do with improving the forums or giving feedback about the staff.

Now, let me discuss about some of the closed threads in the Feedback.

The old EZBoard - Ok, what does this has to do with feedback of the forums or the forums' staff? Absolutely nothing. This would have been better off in General Chat.

Can this be a new rule in chat? - Same here. Nothing about the forums, and the suggestion was just plain stupid.

Feedback - Ok, I don't know about this thread, but it's about the forums, but it's nothing important to announce. Just my opinion.

Question and spinoff threads - Ok these are the threads I don't want to see in feedback. First of all, why has it been replied to so often? Why does Raistlin having a larger avatar than everyone else be such a huge matter to anyone? Why oh why?? This is the reason why I think the Feedback Forum's FAQ should be updated so that we see more threads that concern the forums and the staff, instead of things that is not important.

The Feedback Forum was created as a place for members to comment on the staff, and about the forum, such as requesting changes to rules, adding new forums, and other forums related issues. Nothing nonsense, just straight to the point with the forums and the staff. Having a thread to add a new smiley or two is acceptable, as long as it's not a stupid smiley.

So, what do you think? I am tired of the kind of threads the Feedback is getting recently that's getting closed, and it's moving away from the true purpose of this forum.

Edit: Yeah, I also noticed I typoed "random" Can someone fix that for me?

What's stupid to you might not be stupid to someone else.

But I agree for the most part, and so we should probably tone it down a little. Easier said than done, I guess.

Yeah, that's true.

Anyway, this can be done. If a thread is not acceptable, just close it immediately so others won't take the oppurtunity to spam the thread with nonsense, or do whatever the staff decides to do.

The Feedback has been a "safe haven" for nonsense lately, and I think it just needs to be dealt with immediately.

The problem is seeing all those closed topics makes me sad. Maybe I should get my 'good friend' to delete them. :D

Just a rondo idea.

I propose you rename this thread "Can this be a new rule in feedback?"
This isn't a crap post, think about it.

Someone made the mistake of actually SAYING it was ok to spam here, is the problem. I guess.

Don't call people's suggestions stupid, Prot. You make just as useless suggestions all the time. Like this one, for example.

What? I thought this was a good suggestion...

It is a good suggestion. The Feedback Forum needs to be reformed so that we see more threads concerning staff and forums, instead of other things like "why Raistlin has a larger avatar" or "why Jojo has a pink custom title" and whatnot.

Feedback Forum was made to give feedback to staff (concerning policies, rules, bans, and other things concerning staff) and to suggest ideas (whether it's useful or pointless).

Edit: Also... just because.

If you translate "Why does Raistlin have a big picture of himself for an avatar?" to "I don't think its fair that the staff has bestowed such a thing on Raistlin and not everyone else," then it's direct feedback. So are you suggesting we get all nazi about how people word things?

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Not to complain about why someone has a larger avatar, or make a stupid request like "let's make this a new rule," because that's not the purpose for this forum.

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Then where do those suggestions go, exactly? They belong here, whether you find them significant or not.

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I know it may sound like a dumb request, but I'm tired of seeing dumb threads that has nothing to do with improving the forums or giving feedback about the staff.

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I would love for the Feedback to be nothing but what I consider beneficial to the forums. Everyone has their own cutoff to what they deem inconsequential. I consider suggestions for chat inconsequential - BoB, for example, does not. I consider new smiley requests inconsequential - Spiff, for example, does not. See what I mean? It's an impossible to attain ideal.

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The old EZBoard - Ok, what does this has to do with feedback of the forums or the forums' staff? Absolutely nothing. This would have been better off in General Chat.

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Y'know how newbie threads can be posted anywhere? And how for more in-depth threads, you have a perogative of choosing General Chat, EoEO, or World Events to post them in? That's how I view it. Especially for such insinificant threads such as this. I think newbie threads don't belong in EoEO, and I think the "Where is everybody?" thread in EoEO should be in General Chat; however, it's not in General Chat, so I have to live with it.

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Can this be a new rule in chat? - Same here. Nothing about the forums, and the suggestion was just plain stupid.

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Using your own definitions of stupid, maybe. What should staff do? Make a rule saying "no stupid suggestions allowed?" How ridiculous is that? It would be great if it would work, but it's like abolishing all the rules except for "use your smurfing brain" - great if it'd work, but it wouldn't.

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Can this be a new rule in chat? - Same here. Nothing about the forums, and the suggestion was just plain stupid.

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The chat is part of EoFF - where else would chat suggestions go? I, personally, consider chat inconsequential, but others don't.

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Question and spinoff threads - Ok these are the threads I don't want to see in feedback. First of all, why has it been replied to so often? Why does Raistlin having a larger avatar than everyone else be such a huge matter to anyone? Why oh why?? This is the reason why I think the Feedback Forum's FAQ should be updated so that we see more threads that concern the forums and the staff, instead of things that is not important.

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Because it's fun, and we were having fun. When the staff thought we'd had enough fun, they closed the threads.

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The Feedback Forum was created as a place for members to comment on the staff, and about the forum, such as requesting changes to rules, adding new forums, and other forums related issues. Nothing nonsense, just straight to the point with the forums and the staff. Having a thread to add a new smiley or two is acceptable, as long as it's not a stupid smiley.

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I was starting to type out a legitimate rebuttle to this, until I saw "long as it's not a stupid smiley" and could only sigh. C'mon Proto - be at least a little rational, here.

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So, what do you think? I am tired of the kind of threads the Feedback is getting recently that's getting closed, and it's moving away from the true purpose of this forum.

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I, for one, think you are failing to be objective.

How is Feedback moving away from its purpose? Sure, sometimes the threads aren't really about "important" issues, but how many important issues are there? It's not affecting the occurance of "legitimate" feedback threads. Scroll down on the thread listings. See "abusing the Swear Filter"? Yeah, that was a legitimate thread. Or how about "Serious or silly?" I think that was legitimate. And those are the only recent ones that I can think of off the top of my head.

AHH!! Raistlin's being un-stupid! My world is crashing down around my ears!

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AHH!! Raistlin's being un-stupid! My world is crashing down around my ears!

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I'm always un-stupid(well, when I'm not busy spamming, that is). Whether you chose to actually consider my suggestions and arguments is up to you. :p

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Then where do those suggestions go, exactly? They belong here, whether you find them significant or not.

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Well, they do belong in this forum, but the presentation of the idea wasn't ideal. At least to me.

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I would love for the Feedback to be nothing but what I consider beneficial to the forums. Everyone has their own cutoff to what they deem inconsequential. I consider suggestions for chat inconsequential - BoB, for example, does not. I consider new smiley requests inconsequential - Spiff, for example, does not. See what I mean? It's an impossible to attain ideal.

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That's true, and each staff is different as to what's inconsequential and what's not.

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Y'know how newbie threads can be posted anywhere? And how for more in-depth threads, you have a perogative of choosing General Chat, EoEO, or World Events to post them in? That's how I view it. Especially for such insinificant threads such as this. I think newbie threads don't belong in EoEO, and I think the "Where is everybody?" thread in EoEO should be in General Chat; however, it's not in General Chat, so I have to live with it.

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Using your own definitions of stupid, maybe. What should staff do? Make a rule saying "no stupid suggestions allowed?" How ridiculous is that? It would be great if it would work, but it's like abolishing all the rules except for "use your smurfing brain" - great if it'd work, but it wouldn't.

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The idea was stupid in my opinion. Don't you think banning a chatter who comes to chat say one thing, then leave is dumb? Come on admit it, it's dumb from the start. Joel didn't even tell us what he wants to add as a rule in his first post.

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The chat is part of EoFF - where else would chat suggestions go? I, personally, consider chat inconsequential, but others don't.

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The chat isn't inconsequential, but I think most things concerning chat should be left to those who take care of the chat, as most staff don't even visit #eoff on a regular basis, besides BoB, of course.

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Because it's fun, and we were having fun. When the staff thought we'd had enough fun, they closed the threads.

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Of course it's fun, but I found it going overboard, where Staff had a little dispute.

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I was starting to type out a legitimate rebuttle to this, until I saw "long as it's not a stupid smiley" and could only sigh. C'mon Proto - be at least a little rational, here.

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Ok, sorry about that. I was a little unhappy at the moment.

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I, for one, think you are failing to be objective.

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I agree.

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How is Feedback moving away from its purpose? Sure, sometimes the threads aren't really about "important" issues, but how many important issues are there? It's not affecting the occurance of "legitimate" feedback threads. Scroll down on the thread listings. See "abusing the Swear Filter"? Yeah, that was a legitimate thread. Or how about "Serious or silly?" I think that was legitimate. And those are the only recent ones that I can think of off the top of my head.

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Most of the threads are legitimate, but seeing so many closed threads in Feedback makes me a sad panda. :(

I always consider your suggestions and arguments, Raist. Always. And I take them seriously. They're just usually stupid.

Just a Lando idea.

All I'm trying to say is that the Feedback Forum needs to be taken care of better than it currently is. As I see it, it's almost like a joke forum.

As for the new smilies threads... Come on, EoFF doesn't need any more smilies, and there's already enough as it is. If the staff is going to add more, they can just do so on their own, just like how Shlup added the pandas and skulls.

The staff should take care of each thread as they see fit.

Proto, I totally agree with you. :)

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Proto, I totally agree with you. :)

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Likewise. However...[q=Agent Proto]If a thread is not acceptable, just close it immediately so others won't take the oppurtunity to spam the thread with nonsense, or do whatever the staff decides to do.[/q]This isn't much help when staff members decide to spam threads with nonsense.

I do like Kishi's puns, though.

You guys need to get out more often :)

This thread made me think of Richter Belmont.

Are you calling Goomba stupid?! :goomba:

Do we close this thread too? Heh.

Chat is part of EoFF. If you can think of a better place to discuss the rules of chat over a long period of time, that'd be great, but last time I checked not everyone is able to see every line of chat, meanwhile everyone is able to see every post here about chat. So yeah. Don't think they're all that different, because really, they're not. They're both EoFF, most chatters in #eoff are registered at EoFF and we really do need to do more to keep chat active because chat is an important part of EoFF. Definitely. Roogle, clout and I run #eoff at the moment and I think you're just as unimportant as you think chat is, so meh.

I don't see any major problems with the threads although they are getting a bit spammy and sometimes a little hostile but I'm quite confident that we can solve such things. Feedback seems to be the only forum in EoFF that can actually give me a headache, though. It's notable that when I originally suggested the Feedback Forum, I suggested it to be a thread, and if it was to be a forum it was to be temporary. I wouldn't really mind if it disappeared altogether. Maybe things wouldn't be so frustrating for certain members and maybe other certain members wouldn't get so annoyed at staff, or with each other anymore. :p

No, I don't think that we should close this thread, BoB. Proto has a made some very good points and Feedback has been dubbed the Spam Forum and I guess that's a far cry from what it was originally meant for. This spammyness does get quite frustrately when someone does try to put a legitimate thread in here. Isn't there enough of that going on in GC? It's really difficult to take someone seriously in here, but if you don't, you get unprofessional thrown at you so I really have to agree with Proto that it is getting ridiculous in here.

The closing thing was a joke. =P But I do think that this place isn't exactly the most productive of forums, not after so long. It's just become a spam forum with a touch of debate something to death, wait a month or two, repeat exact conversation, etc.

There's not that much to give feedback on :p The forums are going mostly fine, as far as I can tell. And when something does not suit someone's tastes, a person comes and argues it to death. And occasionally when there is a serious feedback thread, it gets dealt with. ^_^ Just because there are spammy threads does not mean that you can't bring up serious threads, either. So instead of letting the forum die, some people feel the need to spam it up and bring it to life! So while it is spammy, the original purpose is still being met, eh? (Hah I'm British *runs around*) Personally I think it's okay to have fun with feedback and not have it be serious all the time.

PS how dare you think my thread is unimportant, Jiff ;_; *runs away crying*

Simply put, I doubt much would go on here without, and from what I can tell, most things that are requested get solved anyway in spite of the spam. It seems to be working fine as it is, and while I agree some of the stuff if unneccessary, why not let us have our fun?

I'm not saying you shouldn't have fun. Spam can be nice when in moderation. Lately, it just seems that the spam was too excessive and needs to be cut down. It got to the point that the Feedback forum was losing its purpose.

If you don't like the threads pr00t, don't read them. There, problem solved.

If you're chewing on a piece of tinfoil...stop.

Feedback used to be the coolest forum here. Can't stay on top forever, I suppose.

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The idea was stupid in my opinion. Don't you think banning a chatter who comes to chat say one thing, then leave is dumb? Come on admit it, it's dumb from the start. Joel didn't even tell us what he wants to add as a rule in his first post.

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Proto, not everyone finds the idea stupid, especially the person that posted it. Seriously, do you want a "no stupid suggestions" rule?

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The chat isn't inconsequential, but I think most things concerning chat should be left to those who take care of the chat, as most staff don't even visit #eoff on a regular basis, besides BoB, of course.

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Ok, so if you want a change in chat, you PM BoB and don't let anyone else have any say in the matter.
Also, following that logic, suggestions for the FF Music forum(or whatever it's called) shouldn't go in here because the majority of the staff doesn't go in it.

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Of course it's fun, but I found it going overboard, where Staff had a little dispute.

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Ok...but how does that relate to the "stupid suggestions" complaint?

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Most of the threads are legitimate, but seeing so many closed threads in Feedback makes me a sad panda.

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They weren't closed because they were stupid suggestions - they were closed because we spammed the hell out of 'em. If you want staff to be more strict on spam(I don't), then that's a completely different issue.

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All I'm trying to say is that the Feedback Forum needs to be taken care of better than it currently is. As I see it, it's almost like a joke forum.

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Again, how does that relate to the "stupid suggestions?"

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As for the new smilies threads... Come on, EoFF doesn't need any more smilies, and there's already enough as it is. If the staff is going to add more, they can just do so on their own, just like how Shlup added the pandas and skulls.

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I didn't know new smiley requests would so endanger the main purpose of Feedback.

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The staff should take care of each thread as they see fit.

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What were they doing before?

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Proto has a made some very good points and Feedback has been dubbed the Spam Forum and I guess that's a far cry from what it was originally meant for.

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No, actually he started this whole thing about stupid, inconsequential suggestions, then either forgot about his main point in this thread, or realized it was, in itself, a stupid, inconsequential suggestion. :p

About the spam: the spam doesn't interfere with the main purpose of the forum. Whether or not to continue the lenience toward spam in this forum is entirely preferential. Keeping it wouldn't affect the main purpose of the forum, and neither would it take away(however, it would take away a lot of fun).

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Simply put, I doubt much would go on here without, and from what I can tell, most things that are requested get solved anyway in spite of the spam. It seems to be working fine as it is, and while I agree some of the stuff if unneccessary, why not let us have our fun?

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Yeah, Spiffers.

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There's not that much to give feedback on :p The forums are going mostly fine, as far as I can tell. And when something does not suit someone's tastes, a person comes and argues it to death. And occasionally when there is a serious feedback thread, it gets dealt with. ^_^ Just because there are spammy threads does not mean that you can't bring up serious threads, either. So instead of letting the forum die, some people feel the need to spam it up and bring it to life! So while it is spammy, the original purpose is still being met, eh? (Hah I'm British *runs around*) Personally I think it's okay to have fun with feedback and not have it be serious all the time.

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The twerp is right, for once.

I don't want to ban stupid ideas, I just don't want to see too many kinds of threads with dumb ideas that'll eventually get spammed up and could have the staff worked up.

As for the spam. It's been a problem with me in the past. Some threads have too much of it, and that may be fine, but eh... that's just my problem.

Here's how I view it:

I don't like General Chat. Remember my one LJ entry about "bull questionnaires?" I didn't like them. I didn't want a new rule made, or for them to be closed, but I was just saying how I didn't like them. You couldn't make a rule "don't make useless threads" or close threads that you view to not have a purpose. But I said, I just don't like them, and therefore I don't go into General Chat much.

I'm not saying that I want to ban dumb suggestions. I originally wanted to have the Feedback FAQ to be updated, but the direction I went when I started typing the thread went a different direction as I went with example of threads suggesting that staff should do better with dealing with most threads when they get closed, or stay open for spam.

There are time for fun and games, but when the fun causes problems, that's what I'm being concerned about when I started this thread.

And what "problems" has this fun caused, exactly?

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In my opinion, the 'spam' in Feedback is a good indication that everything is going ok. Otherwise we would see a lot more complaining threads in here. Proto has a point that it should be cut down on a little bit, but Feedback is where I have the most fun and I think the mix right now is perfect. A lot of these threads shouldn't have been closed in my opinion. It looks so sad in here. :(

Well, seriously, I don't think the problem I see should be a big concern to anyone. The problem is that there are too many non-serious threads to serious threads in Feedback, that I see that Staff is not taking most suggestions, or whatnot very seriously. Sometimes they do, but not all the time.

I don't know. ;_;

we should have special "feedback only" mods and make regular staff unable to be mods in feedback, that way all members would be on equal footing and ideas could not be shot down so easily.

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we should have special "feedback only" mods and make regular staff unable to be mods in feedback, that way all members would be on equal footing and ideas could not be shot down so easily.

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I love it!

I nominate Devil May Kick Ass and strawberryman to be the feedback mods.

xD

No, but it could be like EoFF's PR Department!

I seem to have been smitten...

...and I have wings. :)

Hm, that might be an interesting idea, Raist.

Of course it is! Don't you read the Feedback Constitution? :p

eest and Leeza, stay on topic!

Schut it, Schlup!

Oh yeah, like this wasn't overdone on RSL day.

At least she's not doing name changes. Del Unner.

*points at Raist and/or RSL*

Don't bring me into this!

Oh it's on now.

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At least she's not doing name changes. Del Unner.

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Yeah I guess so. It was just a very rando thing to do, that's all.

No, actually, it wasn't very rando at all if you're on Raist's LJ list.

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xDDDD

I have a feeling "Former Staff" wasn't what he had in mind when he asked for a change in rank.

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No, actually, it wasn't very rando at all if you're on Raist's LJ list.

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Which he would be if he'd ADD ME BACK.

That was for the "Don't bring me into this!" comment.

Guess that'll teach me.

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That was for the "Don't bring me into this!" comment.

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Ah, I understand now.

Well, the idea didn't have anything to do with him, so his indignance was somewhat justified. :p

But he read your LJ entry before I did, therefore he is held more responsible for this than I am. Right?

Now I want a colored custom title.

And what the is my Unne wearing?

If I get one more request for a colored custom title I'm so banning clout from life.

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But he read your LJ entry before I did, therefore he is held more responsible for this than I am. Right?

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Oh, yes, of course glancing at my LJ makes him more responsible than someone who actually changed everyone's avatars. :p

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If I get one more request for a colored custom title I'm so banning clout from life.

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I STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN MY EXTRA LONG BLUE CUSTOM TITLE

Glad we're on the same page.

this is silly

Let me help you see things from my perspective, eest...

rando is a cool adjective. I wonder what it means now. :(

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Yep, and just wait until Unne sees it. Then it'll be HILARIOUS.

He keeps going in and out of activity. I find it hard to believe he hasn't noticed.

Shlup's perspective is usually looking up from the floor. Kinda like Jojo's. Especially since she is 12. :D

Except she's not a twerp.

I'm like five feet taller than Jojo!

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I'm like five feet taller than Jojo!

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Don't worry, you're not the only one feels the same way! :D

I'm not the only one who feels that I'm five feet taller than Jojo?

The new feedback mods aren't doing a very good job...

Oh yeah. I forgot about this thread being about the opposite of what we're doing. Sorry, Prot!

figureheads, all

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I haven't been given my extra long blue custom title yet, so I cannot start executing my duties.

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I haven't been given my extra long blue custom title yet, so I cannot start executing my duties.

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I was pretty sure that Devil May Kick Ass and strawberryman were the new feedback mods, not you.

Oh. Well then yeah, they're doing a lousy job of it. =o

I like quickly this one degenerated.

I like your blatant disregard for the word "how"

I'm so confused. What is this thread about again? :confused:

Ah yes. Feedback as being a place that should be used to discuss how the staff is doing and such. I see we're all doing just great. Figureheads and all. :)

Picking on Carpie is much more important than setting an example. I should put that in the Feedback Constitution.

I think this qualifies as a "staff prank" which everybody agreed in the "Serious or silly?" thread was perfectly acceptable. :p

Yeah, what Raistlin said.

And if you guys don't like it you can join my buns!

From what I've heard, Shlup's buns make good company, too.

I guess this can be an early April fools then:p Though RSL Day was better.

When ever I see Carpie, I think Cap'n Crunch.

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Of course it was - it was RSL!

Plus, we changed peoples' names and nobody got grouchy. Here, we just changed avatars and people are moaning like we snuck into their rooms at night and gave them a sex change.

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we snuck into their rooms at night and gave them a sex change.

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It's been known to happen.

Don't tell us about your midnight adventures, Daniel. :p

You're next.

*pops in*

I'm not short :mad2:

Says the little girl with a fairy for an avatar.

Jojo's title should be changed to "twerp."

I agree with Raist. Also this is 4 pages late, but we let you have your way with that whole independence thing and look what happened! And I'll be damned if we make the same mistake twice!

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So while it is spammy, the original purpose is still being met, eh? (Hah I'm British *runs around*)

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If you insist on using racial stereotypes at least use the right one, twerp. It's Canadians that say eh, not Brits, you frog eating, cossack dancing, whale hunting, boomerang throwing sombrero wearer!

Why do I have an Unne avatar? ;_;

Shluppers said she changed everyone on the Forum Leaders page except for Cid and BooB. :p

Leeza doesn't have one!

She did, she just changed it back 'cause she's a party-pooper.

Sorry to be a party pooper, but I changed it back because I don't think that Dr Unne appreciates any of this and I have respect for that.

Oh, come on, I was joking. :p

Of course he doesn't appreciate it - that's the point!

Not for me. Sorry. But you go right ahead. :)

Jeez just take a bit on my face why don't ya, Leeza.

It's ok, Shlup. She didn't say anything was wrong with what we're doing - just that she doesn't want a part of it.

Now, Lynx said he was making more Unne avatars for everybody! xD

But everyone must be all for annoying Unne. It's an important part of life.

More Unne avatars! Yay!

Rando is an actual word to me. Ergo, French > English.

Also,



Edit: changed the url to host the image myself

I do not approve of my unne avatar.

I don't have a fairy anymore, Jiff ^_^

Also Psy, I realized that after I posted but was too lazy to go fix it XD Whatever, Canadians, British, you're all the same screwy!

What's Eiko got to do with anything?

she's underaged

She's small.

This thread is stupid.