A girl was arrested for 'plotting to shoot up my school'

A girl in my english class was arrested yesterday because she had, apparently, made threats concerning fellow students and staff. From what I know, she had a death list and may or may not have had a map of the school.

This isnt the problem though. The REAL problem here is that a girl was arrested for craving attention. Yes she was a moron and I never liked her in the first place, but you know what? She wasn't going to shoot up my school and there was absolutely nothing to be afraid of. I think she should have been expelled, but she was ARRESTED.

Also, because of this, we had peddle needless fear en mass to all of the students and thier parents. It's force fed to us as if it was some kind of nasty medicine. (And in a sense, it is) And of course, the average individual will eat it all up. In fact, they are happy to have thier thoughts and emotions spoon fed to them. 'concerned' parents were calling the school all day, and in such large numbers that the staff could not leave the phones for a minute. Of course, the girl had already been arrested, so there was obviously no danger of her shooting anybody, but in the name of drama safety people overlook that little tidbit. There were kids who were talking about how 'freaked out' they were but in reality the danger was so minimal to begin with any 'fear' was not only unwarranted, it was absurd.

The Chandler police department asked the school not to release the name of the student in order to uphold the 'integrity of thier investigation'. The school complied, to a degree... Instead of telling us her name, they narrowed it down enough that any student could figure it out. We were told in a letter by the principal that the suspect was a "17 year old sophomore female." There are very few seventeen year old sophomores at my school, and even less 17 year old female sophomores. Now, had we not been given this information the whole notiong that "Kelly did it" would have, for at least a little while, remained solely as a baseless rumor. However, now everybody knows who did it. We didn't need to know that. No one but higher ups in the administration and the police needed to know that. This, in my opinion, shows that not only does my school have no respect for it's students, it also has no respect for the Chandler police department.

There were cops all over my school today. It's a bit unnecessary, but it's completely understandable. However, there were also undercover cops at my school today. I know that this is nothing new, but undercover police officers have NO BUSINESS In a school setting, and I most certainly do not appreciate them in my school. First of all, the girl was NOT AT SCHOOL! Plus, I think regular cops are enough to deter anyone from pulling out a gun and shooting people. All under cover cops are useful for is to catch people in the act.

In my mind, having under cover cops at any school, for any reason, amounts to lying to the entire student body. It's treacherous, it's deceptive, and it's down right immoral. I personally would have rather risked a school shooting than have the police present at my school.

Now, I am by no means condoning what this moronic little girl did. She should have known that talking about that stuff can get you in a lot of trouble. She is immature and I have never liked her even in the least bit, and quite frankly, in any other situation I would be glad to see her gone. However, what is going on is copletely unnecessary and very little good is coming out of it. What's worse is that this is now standard in situations like this. It's being handled wrong and it's hurting everybody involved in the process. I am sick of being force fed fear when there is no danger. I am just plain sick of the absurdity that is this entire situation.

People do overreact a lot, and one person panicking causes another to, and it's a chain reaction. That does make me angry that your principal told everyone pretty much who she was when they were told not to reveal. The overreactions can be annoying, but I guess in the end it's better safe than sorry. Perhaps the police know more than you were told.

I remember whne ther ewas some undercover cops at my school.Man it was freaking tight they busted two drug lords...MAn one of them pulled up in a chevy man the chevy was boss and they just had them at gun point them boom there was shots.But they got pissed.The undercover cops were made because of those stupid 6th graders outside looking at it and yelling and .MAn they didn't understand the danger they were in.Shots were fired at the cops it could've hit some of those sixth graders but didnt but back on the subject.

This is what gets me.They really weren't cracking down on preventing school shooting s until colubime.Even though they have been happening in inner city schools really 30 years before Colubime even happened.Back then it was jsut and is still just another dead black person or hispanic person.ITs a sad sad world we live in.

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This is what gets me.They really weren't cracking down on preventing school shooting s until colubime.Even though they have been happening in inner city schools really 30 years before Colubime even happened.Back then it was jsut and is still just another dead black person or hispanic person.ITs a sad sad world we live in.

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Remeber how, back in the day, bomb threats were no big deal? All they did was evacuate the campus. Now it's suddenly some huge deal, as if bomb threats have evolved into something more sinister over the years. It's a joke. (At least, I think so)

As for the police presence in schools, im used to it. I went to two high Schools and the first one i went to had medal detectors you had to go into to get into the building. It always felt like you were being patted down to get into a club. And the second high school i went to had police presence everywhere, im sure there were even undercovers in there too. So, it was really no big deal. im glad the police responded the way they did at your school too. I mean, yeah everything turned out ok, but had it been ignored and she was serious, we could have been looking at another school shooting on the news for the next couple weeks.

man I rmemebr when iw as little and one time i was taking a dump and i looked at the walla nd it said on tuesday at 10:15pm the school is going to blow to hell.I was thinking(can you give me 5 more minutes/).lol

But really I think its people who live in suburban areas who are the most fearful of things...Like if asuburban kids heared gunshots they would run to there houses.If you goto Harlem and hear gunshots.Kids are still outside playing because they have gotten use to it.

but yeah they aren't joking now its sad mainly because im saying this out of the racial tensions in the USA and how its pitiful that schools are doing something about school shooting because a suburban school with a population of mostly caucasin students attending it got shot up but the fact that this has been happening in inner city schools for more than 30 years.Inner city schools thats populated by minority students.The thing aobut it is.Thats sad that they jsut now started cracking down on it since colubime.

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man I rmemebr when iw as little and one time i was taking a dump and i looked at the walla nd it said on tuesday at 10:15pm the school is going to blow to hell.I was thinking(can you give me 5 more minutes/).lol

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That's not you.

It is unfortunate people overreact. I'd point to 9/11, myself. True, this hyperreaction prevents people like me from, say, stealing someone's car and putting on the roof of our four-story library, you know, things which used to be normal. But, in the words of someone very special, whatyagonnado.

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The REAL problem here is that a girl was arrested for craving attention.

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She was arrested for threatening to kill people, not for craving attention. One is a criminal offence, the other is not.

Everything is so blown up out of proportion nowdays.

I guess you can never be too careful.

Better to arrest one suspicious looking girl than to have an entire school blown up and children killed.

I would have threatened to kill everyone because they will not stop being such morons about this whole thing :laugh:

I go to a private Highschool. No cops. :)

I agree with you Nik0tine, that situation was not handled as well as it could have been.

I was a Sophomore when Colombine went down. Even before then my school always had a cop on duty and a school "security gaurd" (he wasn't a real cop) there. Even before columbine at all bomb threats the entire school was evacuated and the fire department and police showed up. We would have 9-10 in a two week period, it would die down, then it would start all over again. I agree that many people overreact to your situation but it is because they feel they have to do something and calling the school seems to bet the only thing they can do. Multiple cops and undercover cops is going to far though. All is does is create more drama which people crave because it's different from their normal average day.

Some measures that were taken were justifiable, but much of that situation was blown out of proportions. I would have arrested the girl, if someone is threatening to kill people that is something I think should be taken seriously.

It's interesting to note that the amount of countrywide deaths has actually been in decline over the past years, even when Columbine happened it was still in decline. We fear what we've heard about, and the more personal they make it, the greater the fear is. How many people refused to fly with Arabs after 9/11? And how many planes were actually flown into buildings after 9/11, by Arabs or otherwise? It's foolish, but it's what we humans do. It's much easier to blindly believe and follow something instead of thinking for oneself, especially when our education system specifically discourages such a thing.

You wouldnt happen to live in washingtonville Ny would you?

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Washingtonville – The ninth-grader had grown interested in the Columbine High School shootings that left dozens wounded and 15 dead, police said.

The 14-year-old downloaded pictures of the two gunmen – Eric Harris and Dylan Kleibold – off the Internet. Her parents said she had grown fond of violent games, music and videos over the past year, according to the Washingtonville police.

Then last week, the girl threatened to shoot other students at Washingtonville High School on April 20 – the date marking the sixth anniversary of the Columbine shootings, officials said.

She’d drawn pictures depicting a girl in the school hallway with a firearm. She’d created a short “death list” containing the names of students she was angry with, authorities said.

The young girl had asked another student if there was a map of the school available, officials said.

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I would just like to update everyone now that the situation has become even MORE apalling. This even obviously made it into the news paper. However, notonly did it make it into the paper, but the paper released her name AND a picture of her. Of course, because it is the news, they picked the worst possible picture they could get. It didn't even look like her. They intentionally made her look like some kind of evil beast.

She is currently being held in a juvenile prison, and the she faces two felony charges and something else. The prosecution wants her tried as an adult. Of course, that's typical of prosecutors. It's thier job to be an abomination to human kind. I am tempted to do something on her behalf. I agree, she is in the wrong because of what she did. But what is happening to her is atrocious from a moral standpoint. I have never been so pissed at my community before. I am pissed at the school, I am pissed at the media, at the law and at the police. Everybody is in the wrong here and NOBODY is taking any steps to make things right. The "good guys" are nothing but malicious assholes right now. They are doing everything in thier power to make this worse for everyone. I am incredibly F****ing pissed right now!

What makes it worse is the feeling of being helplessness despite how much you hate the situation :(

Yeah... It's horrible. I know right from wrong but the people in power most certainly don't. I have compassion, they don't. They have a say. I don't.

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Originally Posted by lordblazer

man I rmemebr when iw as little and one time i was taking a dump and i looked at the walla nd it said on tuesday at 10:15pm the school is going to blow to hell.I was thinking(can you give me 5 more minutes/).lol

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That's not you.

It is unfortunate people overreact. I'd point to 9/11, myself. True, this hyperreaction prevents people like me from, say, stealing someone's car and putting on the roof of our four-story library, you know, things which used to be normal. But, in the words of someone very special, whatyagonnado.

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that actually did happen.But the school didnt blow up so no harm done.Threats don't scare me.

It's all politics. Sadly, much of the media has degenerated into overpaid asses looking only at the bottom line. Same applies to politicians. This is obviously the "big story" right now, Columbine is still fresh in many minds after all, and they know it will sell and sell big. If the life of one girl needs to be destroyed for such a profit, what do they care?

     She threatened to kill people (which is a crime in itself), got arrested and went to jail. Because of this, the community decided to step up on security, probably because they didn't see this coming and want to be prepared for future events. It made the news because it was an odd event that had an impact on the community. Those things are reasonable from my point of view.

     The messed up parts are the school's handing out of info and the mixture of law enforcement. This is mainly due to inefficiency. The school was basically playing a game of "Guess Who?", probably undermining the investigation thus prolonging these panicky circumstances. On the law enforcement issue, normal police should usually be separate from undercover cops. Except in extream circumstances that is. This is because undercover agents are used to keep suspicion levels low while the regular officers stand out like a red flag. This obviously makes a contradiction. I think that in this case, due to the fact that everything is already under control, regular law enforcement alone would do just fine. In fact, anything more then a few extra security guards seems to be a bit over the top.

     On the parents issue, if I know one thing about parents, it's that they will always worry. Always. Trust me on that one. This ordeal just brought that worriment out up front on their list of concerns. They'll calm back down in a few months, probably.

     My advice; take a step back from the situation to clear your head out. Maybe it'll make you feel better. You don't really have any power over this so there's really not much else you can do. It might not be the best advice in the world but hey, it's all I've got.

I have 3 maps of my school, I play violent video games, and I have uttered "Wtf! I'm going to kill you!" I should be arrested ya?

Dead threats, serious or not, should not be taken lighty, there's been way too many episodes in America about kids killin' others at school.

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Dead threats, serious or not, should not be taken lighty, there's been way too many episodes in America about kids killin' others at school.

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Not disagreeing that death threats shouldn't be taken seriously, but actually very few students are killed in school every year. In the 60's the numbers were around 50, but they've gotten consistently less and less as time went on. I believe even when Columbine occurred, the number still decreased from the year before.

I have heard the same thing. That the the deaths in schools trend is going down. That is overall of course(such as a 10 year span). of course all I got is what I heard and not actual statistics but meh.

Basic security and effecient police and death threats would be dealt with without these sort of "prevenitive measures". I mean it can't be too hard to allow teachers to be armed with tasers.. and I am certian that would drop someone fairly quickly. only real problem I see is that a taser's range isn't all that great.(21 to 25 ft if I recall, perhaps they should research to increase the range. Then again inside a building 21 to 25 ft is not exactly improbably to get inrange of).

I remember my days in middle school, there was several incidents. One kid was telling his friends that he was going to blow up the school because he hated all the faculty. The only thing he brought were a bunch of stink bombs, and he was expelled from school the following day. Another was threatening to come to school with his dad's gun and blow the vice principal's head off. After I first heard about that, there was about five days after that, that the kid actually brought a magnum to school. He was caught before things could have went down, which I'm glad for. It was in his locker, loaded and everything. He was expelled, but I can't remember if he got any charges or anything out of the ordinary. This was all before that Columbine shooting, so things were more easy going than it is now.

Hahahahahahah I just read the paper today about it nick. When I heard it was your school, i was like

OMGWTFBBQ!!11!1 MY BEST FRIEND GOES THERE!!!! :D

Thats it, gotta talk to him over AIM

There's a dark side in me that was glad when Columbine happened... After I heard they singled out jocks and stuff. Preps. All that. People that make high school miserable for social outcasts. Killing is horrible. But the fact that for once they had to think about consequinces of how they treated others, it was a nice change. Sad it had to be that way. The real problem these days is they focus on the screwed up kids. Not dealing with WHY the kids are screwed up. I would mandate that respect and manners and stuff should be taught and upheld. If they can't treat each other like human, MAKE them treat each other like human. Though I myself was a social outcast. And for that (something I didn't do myself mind you, let alone intentionally) people feared that I would bring about the next Columbine after it happened. People were afraid of me lol... Though my senior year rocked. EVERYONE suddenly got along. I think Columbine made 'em think. Either that or they just simply got over themselves (thank god). But yeah... there's my two cents... Don't put much weight to it. I'm not a sadist or anything. I just had my fantasies like any other ostricized kid those days. Violence should never be a last resort. But people should consider the consequinces of their actions and how they treat each other... And the school should look into those issues.

I guess the police figured it'd be better to be seen to be doing too much, rather than too little.