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How many of you are stoked for this?
I for one am. I heard that the audio on this mother will be awesome. Plus it'll have free XBox live and backwards compatablility. Plus the camera will be a nice touch too, I can own people in Guilty Gear X2 #Reload and use the camera to moon my victims.
Whether I want a game machine or not depends entirely on the games themselves, and so far, there haven't been any games that have made me crazy about getting an XBox 360.
Nah, not interested.
I'm pretty sure a Halo 3 won't be too far down the road.
I don't see what they could possibly add to Halo 3 to make it worth buying other than bots.
Halo 1 and 2 sucks.nuff said.I hope the Rainbow Six 3 series keeps on delivering on xbox live :cool:
maybe if only CvsS2 can be played online for free O_o;
If not screw it...PS3 and Revolution seems to be more juicy so far.
TOP SECRET UNRELEASED TO THE PUBLIC (*YET*) XBOX 360 VIDEO
Information not found in blogs!
*watches*
*is mildly impressed*
You're kidding, right? It's from OurColony, and it's just a five-minute XBox 360 commercial. There's nothing top secret or unreleased about it.
Yes that was a joke. I was trying to hype it up, to get people to watch it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawaii Ryűkishi
Yeah I agree, and console FPS games suck, and computers all the way. The keyboard/mouse > your little controller.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
It's backwards compatable, so I'm sure it'll work.Quote:
Originally Posted by lionx
Now heres the thing..is Xbox Live free?! O_o;
For XBox 360 it will be, but you can pay extra for other services.
I don't believe anything until it comes out.
good graphics make my brains bleed
so if it has crap graphics, I will probably get it
I'm sorry, but they sound like the lamest team (from TheColony thing). This is not that impressive, but at least it is progression. Let me see PS3 and Revolution though, they sound more interesting.
backwards compatiblity? didnt microsoft say that they were to busy wiping there butts with 100 dollar bills to add that? and anyway, i heard that after alot of game developers saw what the PS3 could do, they switched there exclusive projects over to Sony. :D so xbox 360 = pointless.
Xbox is the Republican teenage acne faced apathetic gamer... i hate it... the 360, cant offer anything the ps3 cant do.. so ill just stick with ps3
and Xbox... ehh... i hate microsoft and i love sony.. enough said...
I am not excited. I want PS3 more as it will be the most powerful(by a lot) next gen. I am also a lot more excited to see what the revolution can do. If does 3D vision type stuff then it will be awesome to play pretty much any game. Imagine playing a game like Rainbow Six 3 online in real 3D! That would be so smurfing awesome.
Long dream short. XBOX 2 is too soon and will suffer for it with power.
Ditto. And if they release a Halo 3 that will just turn me away from it more really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawaii Ryűkishi
Yes, everything I've read has pointed to the XBox 360 not having backwards compatibility. I don't know where Joel got the idea that it will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Excelsior
Well, people said the same thing about companies shifting support away from the PS2 to support the XBox when both systems were new, but I don't think it really affected anything in the end.Quote:
and anyway, i heard that after alot of game developers saw what the PS3 could do, they switched there exclusive projects over to Sony. :D so xbox 360 = pointless.
It'll have backwards compatability, I'm pretty sure about that.
I'm leaning more towards XBox 360 then the PS3, because personally, the PS1 and 2 consoles have less games that impress me then they have games that I either don't want to play or games I'd like to douse in acid. While XBox games, most of their games I like, the only ones I didn't like were the sports games and those real-life special ops games like Rainbow Six and Splinter Cell. (Sorry, but I dislike games with too much realism).
That new Morrowind Oblivion is supposed to come out for it.. So, I suppose. But I'm honestly not to psyched about any console coming up.
were there any other kind of games made for xbox..? I hate sports games and since xbox is so heavily dominant on that i hate xbox, its a circle of hate ^_^Quote:
the only ones I didn't like were the sports games and those real-life special ops games like Rainbow Six and Splinter Cell.
The ps3 will have video chat ^_^ and the EyeToy is pretty kick ass... that alone is enuf to make me chose over xbox 2. ONE thing I DO like Xbox for is DDR ultramix cuz u can download new songs and characters, but im sure once ps3 is out they will be able to do that too w/o many fees
*not excited*
IF it is backwards compatible, I MIGHT get it within a year of when it is released. Otherwise, it could very well be 4 years. Regardless, I'm going after the Revolution, and possibly the PS3, first.
Why Xbox 360? Are they trying to imply that its just the same?
They couldn't go with XBox 2 because people would look at PlayStation 3 and XBox 2 and decide that three must be better than two. They couldn't go with Xenon because it reeks of codename and I guess it wouldn't have XBox name recognition. So XBox 360 it is.Sources, Joel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel
Pretty much all of the info I read about 360's spec leaks. I had a link to it but I lost it. Besides, I don't see why it SHOULDN'T get Backwards compatability. If I know Microsoft they'll put it in just to make people wanna buy it more.
I want it because Mistwalker is working for it. I haven't really seen anything else that's impressed me about it.
Plus Final Fantasy's old producer will be making exclusive titles for XBox 360.
That's what Mist Walker is, Joel.
Oh, right.
eat this Xbox2.... PS3 specs: *Cellular Processors - powerPC
*8 APUs - Vectorial Processors each with 128K memory
*System will run at 4GHZ or 256Gflops
*1024 Bit switched front side bus
*64MB of switching memory
Bit "Emotion Engine 3" aka "Cell" 8 Indetical Attached Processing Unit (APU): Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD)
4 X FPU: 32 billion floating point operations per second (32 GFLOPS)
4 X Integer Units: 32 billion operations per second (32 GOPS)
256 GFLOPS
64 Bit XDR-RAM at 6.4GHz (Rambus, "Yellowstone"/"Redwood")
Memory Bus Bandwidth: dual-channel 102.4 GB/sec
Maximum Polygon Rate PS1:360,000 polygons/sec
PS2:75 million polygons/sec
PS3:6 billion polygons/sec
Disk Device/Speed:CD-ROM
DVD-ROM
Blu-Ray ROM
Interfaces: 4 X USB 2.0 Port
i. S400 I-Link™ (IEEE1394) connector
AV MULTIOUT connector
4 X Controller Port (Wireless??)
10/100 Ethernet
Supported File Systems:ISO 9960 Level 1, CD File System
UDF (Universal Disk Format), DVD File System
plus PS3 will use blue-ray dics that hold up to 56GB......almost twice as much as the next Xbox's hd-dvds...PS3 rules ALL!!!
Save that stuff for the PS3 threads, thank you.
Looks impressive. I'll be buying one due to the fact that my father is an addict of the current Crimson Skies for the Box, so him and I will be buying the 360 (for him, mainly, since he'll be playing the new Crimson Skies game for the 360, WHICH HOPEFULLY comes out).
The games, from what I've seen so far, look awesome. The game that caught my eye was Ghost Recon 3. That game looks freakin' beautiful.
The PS3 can power the starship enterprise for all I care. I still hate it. Cares more about graphics then games.
Uhhhh NO! I hate X-Box
Does the 360 mean how big it will be this time? You know 360in x 360in or will the inches be feet or miles or kilometers?
no i'm not too interested. i was never too interested in the original xbox. my problem lies in developer suuport. it has plenty of american developer support but a serious lack in japanese support. nintendo has the oppostie problem. while it has massive japanese support and the best first party support it's american developement is lacking. sony is happy medium providing lots of stuff for lots of people and of course being the first port of call for rockstar.
i think games make a console and apart from halo (whihc never impressed me) i don't think it had too much to shout about.
You do realize that those specs for the cell are generic ones and most likely not the ones used for the PS3. Those are the specs from when the cell was shown off for the first time if I am not mistaken. The PS3 will probably have only 4 or 5 cores instead of the 8 core chip that was shown. The one thing the PS3 needs more than anything is some more RAM. None of this pussy footing around it this time Sony.
Mistwalker isn't anything big. So the guy who made FF and who has probably not seriously worked on a game in like 8 years is now making his own games again at his own studio. Doesn't sound promising at all.
That was probably partly due to the fact that the PS2 was the least powerful system of the three and therefore they feared that 2D games would make their system seem less powerful (for example both sony and microsoft insisted that the atari games collection had a 3D interface that basicaly said "Our consoles are capable of more than this".Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel
For starters, it pisses me off that Microsoft is releasing the Xbox 360 at the end of this year. We do not NEED another round of consoles yet. Microsoft is just trying to get this thing out the door to get a head start on Sony, because they apparently think that will put them ahead in the race.
Despite the fact that I really don't like Microsoft, I do have an Xbox and absolutely love to play Halo online. I was even looking forward to the 360, despite the fact I was annoyed that it was coming out too soon. Then I watched the MTV Presentation for the Xbox 360 last night. The blatant commercialism was absolutely disgusting. It was all about the glammer and the celebrities and the so-called "gamers" who were far from it. "OMG Teh Grahpicz Rox0rz!!1 I hve 2 have an XboX 360 its teh-uber!" No one said that aloud, but it was the basic attitude of the show. Were these people the average gamers? No. They're the rich bastards who can afford two or three HD TVs in their houses. They're the people who don't look for any sort of sophistication in games. RPGs? Hell no. Give me a gun so I can shoot me some people.
The entire show just felt fake and compressed. Their timeline of videogame history jumped from an extremely brief mention of videogames of the 80s to--you guessed it--the Xbox. And now the Xbox 360's going to "revolutionize" gaming. I say that's bull[img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]. Sure, the community element sounds very promising, and their focus on online stuff is nice, but that's not enough to make me buy it at launch. The graphics they herald as being super aren't nearly as impressive as they're made out to be. Sure, a few of the games look good, but for the most part everything has that plasticy, texturless CG look. Even though I don't care about graphics as much as gameplay, if I'm shelling out hundreds of dollars for a next-gen system, it better be damn impressive. Mistwalker's games coming out for the Xbox, the possibility of a Halo sequel, and Perfect Dark Zero are really the only things mildly interesting about the system.
Couldn't have said it better myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azar
Playstation has always had the best "Exclusive" games(by exclusive I mean games that are out on only one system.) Sony gets games from many publishers like Capcom, Konami, Square Enix, ya know stuff like that. Thats where X-Box and Nintendo fail. The DS was a giant flop. Although many people bought it there are barely any games for it, and name one thats actually good. As of now, Sony controls every aspect of gaming. The PSP looks awesome by the way. Here is some contact I had with an Xbox nerd:
Nerd: Why are you looking at PS2 when you could get an X-Box
Me: PS2 has better games and I'm not made of money
Nerd: X-Box has the best graphics
Me: Do I really care? Graphics dont make a good game.
Nerd: .......X-Box has better games
Me: Name one other than Halo or Halo2
Nerd:.........
Me: Exactly. On PS2 you can get God of War, Shadow of Rome, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, CastleVania and a whole bunch of other things.
Nerd: Im better than you!
Me: Okay, your a complete nerd, 30 pounds overweight, looks like you fail Phys.Ed, and you own every game system known to man.
Nerd: So?
Me: So get a life, loose some weight, and maybe loose some games. GET OUTSIDE.
Nerd: I hate you!
Me: Cool, now go tell someone else that cares.
I don't know why so many people seem to think this round of consoles is coming too soon. It's always happened every five years or so.The DS was only ever supposed to be something to provide competition for the PSP and hold fans over until Nintendo is finished working on their next GameBoy. I'd say it's serving its purpose well.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaytodaP
I think everyone here knows what the word "exclusive" means, and Nintendo is the single-best first party developer on the planet. They make the best exclusive games, hands down. Sony gets the best third party support, but their first-party stuff isn't amazing. The DS had some good games--Wario Ware Touched!, Mario 64 DS, etc. I don't have one, though. And I refuse to believe that conversation is real, as you mentioned virtually every single fanboy cliche imaginable. KOTOR is just one other great exclusive game the Xbox has, and there are indeed others. And none of it was really relevant at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaytodaP
By the way, have you guys seen the screenshots for Perfect Dark Zero? It's the most awful looking game I've ever seen on as a launch title. It looks like a bad PS2 game, I can't believe Microsoft is even letting this game be published.
http://www.1up.com/do/media?cId=3138147
It's a total joke, it almost makes me wonder if it actually IS a joke.
I'm sure it's a joke, considering they were supposedly going to do it back when the Gamecube was new, and then we never heard anything about it again besides Rare moving to XBox.
Those Perfect Dark Zero shots make me glad that Nintendo is making their console move forward conceptually, instead of just graphically.
It also makes me glad that Nintendo cashed in their chips. The "chips" refer to Rareware. Hmm... I'm no good at metaphors. :-/
I honestly don't think it's a joke, it's listed everywhere as being an actual Xbox 360 title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Christ
I've been looking around at a few of these screen shots and frankly I can't see any graphical leap what so ever.
I see a huge graphical leap... Unfortunately it's a leap in the wrong direction.
Too bad no games with take hold of PS3's potential. Or else it might be the best.
If wishing something made it so, I'd be playing Xenosaga episode 3 for PS3 on my forewards compatable PS2. But it's not so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel
Oh, and I don't really care about it blah blah blah. I'm not getting an Xbox.
Yeah really its just a video game system and poeple who become fans over a system or gaming company are just people who are supporting da man! and being da man's lapdog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yu-Yevon
Anyway I can't wait for PS3 and xbox 360 to come out.My dad will get me a discount on the PS3 (works for sony in the upper mangement department in georgia).And I'll just make my sister buy the the xbox 360 or if all goes to worse i will buy it myself.But if i do buy it.I'll wait 6 months so the price will go down. :D
XBox has never really caught my attention. There are a few games that have been mildly interesting to me, but not enough to make me want to shell out the cash to buy it. XBox 360 (I maintain the number is what the price will be) is no different. If you want me to buy a console, you have to give me games worth playing.
I will be looking into PS3, and I will probably look at Revolution since I still have some excess Nintendo devotion lurking around (and if another Smash Bros. game comes out it WILL be mine). XBox just doesn't do anything to make me want to buy it.
I don't really get excited for new games and consoles like I used to, so I guess I haven't really been paying attention to the end of the current generation and the hype concerning the consoles of the next.
I doubt there will be any launch title for any console that will interest me enough to warrant a purchase at launch (I don't really buy new consoles when they first hit the market anyway).
I could survive for years on the games for the current generation consoles, so I'm in no rush to spend a grand on all new hardware when I could just buy a crapload of new games and play those. I could buy a modded Dreamcast, put a few hundred SNES ROMs on a CD-R, and be content with that, for that matter.
In regards to Perfect Dark Zero, I think a lot of you people need to realize that the game is not finished yet - it's only in the latter stages of development. Give it time. It's going to look amazing.
that game looks retarded anyway because of joanna darks dumbass hairstyle. wtf is up with that crap? i thought she was supposed to be joanna dark, not joanna stylin-bright-orange. jesus.
pah
i have faith in Sony so i wont be getting the Xbox 360
So you're pissed they're giving her the same hair color they did in the first game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Excelsior
I still don't believe they're doing it. First they were doing it for the Gamecube. Then the XBox. Now for the XBox 360. This thing's been in "production" as long as Duke Nukem Forever, it feels like.
That's sad that you say that. For one, this game is a prequel, my friend. Perhaps Miss. Joanna didn't want to have black hair back in the day, or something. If you judge a game based on someone's hair color, then you should just quit videogames and go be a hair stylist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Excelsior
im not saying its a BIG deal, but i think it was pretty damn stupid. it doesnt even look good either, it just looks retarded. the game might be fun, but even if was, is it worth buying the xbox 360 for that game alone?
i dont remember her having orange hair in the first game.Quote:
So you're pissed they're giving her the same hair color they did in the first game?
Xbox tends to suck, so I am not really interested in it.
Truth: Both systems will be very capable.
Another truth: Whichever system you like best will mostly depend on what specific games you like.
(Just for reference... 1 TeraFLOP is far more powerful than 256 GigaFLOPs.)
ONLY reason I'd get the Xbox 360 would be if Sony does a bad job on PS3, AND the if the game selections that I want, go to Xbox.
I'm still waiting to see what the PS3 can do, and what the Revolution can do. Once I know what each are capable of, I'll weigh my decission.
I can't EVER trust screenshots from sony or microsoft... cause both of them photoshop them to make them look better!!!! they do it ALL the time!!!!!!!
Nintendo is the only company that I haven't seen do it...
While there was some brown, the predominant color looks to me like orange. Just not as bright an orange. I don't know what the exact shade is called - auburn? *shrugs*Quote:
Originally Posted by Excelsior
I don't really find Xbox all that interesting. If the PS3 and Revolution can do just a good a job with features (what Im told is even better than Xbox's), graphics and, most importantly, games... then I dont see any need at all for xbox 360.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omecle
Based on the current PS3 specs (which are not necessarily official), the Xbox 360 outperforms the PS3 in floating point operations, 4 times as much. However, the PS3 has a better storage medium as well as an nVidia GPU (Yay!! Sony actually got a good graphics card company to do their GPU instead of making a crappy one on their own) so the PS3 certainly stands up to any competition.
EDIT: Based on the latest Eł release, the PS3 performs total of over 2TFLOPs, so it takes the lead.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/614/614936p1.html
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/614/614437p1.html
I'm sold. I won't be buying a PS3. Ironically, it's for the same reasons most people didn't buy the Xbox.
1. The controller looks annoying.
2. The game selection might not be as good.
The sound features on this thing will be amazing. Thats one of the many things I think matter more the graphics, sound.
So how much money did the Dolby sound system you're gonna put the 360 in cost, Joel?
hmm, well at first I thought it might be a good system... but after watching G4's coverage of E3... Xbox 360 ain't got squat on PS3.
Xbox 360 is just a simple upgraded version of a normal xbox... the graphics arn't very much better. lol
Plus PS3 has so many more features, its not funny. To name a few, bluetooth controllers, blueray disks, as well as much more powerful graphics.
Whats Xbox 360 got? that stupid buy sell thing? pay for new content thing? If you ask me, Microsoft tryed once again to make more money in the wrong way... and they've failed. They simply didn't expect what the competition had either... another reason they failed. XD
Finally, I can once again laugh at the evil stupid Microsoft! xD
The Xbox 360 is just an upgraded version of the Xbox just like the PS3 is just an upgraded version of the PS2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tidus Andronicus
Correction, they won. They cornered the online game aspect with the release of Xbox Live. Sony's online play didn't make it very far. Hopefully they will do much better with the PS3.Quote:
Whats Xbox 360 got? that stupid buy sell thing? pay for new content thing? If you ask me, Microsoft tryed once again to make more money in the wrong way... and they've failed.
Although the Xbox 360 is less powerful than the PS3, that doesn't mean it will do worse. The PS2 was far inferior to the Xbox in power but the PS2 sold far more units and had a much better gaming library.
It's clear that you would never like the Xbox 360 no matter what it had in it. You are already dead set and there is no convincing you otherwise. But realize this: (which is true whether you like it or not) both systems are very powerful, both have a lot of potential, both have their strengths and weaknesses. :)
hmmm, What I ment is that the PS3 feels a lot less like an upgrade... they added a lot of new features and really made great advances... It's features make it look a lot more like a whole new system, than the Xbox 360 does.
Where as the Xbox 360 only upped their graphics a little bit (via adding HD), added a universal menu setup (like how windows works or something >_<) and they make it seem heavilly dependant on online play, which is a deterant(badthing) for a lot of people... plus that whole pay for extra content thing, just makes me cringe {>_<}.
In fact... Microsoft's whole approch to online play bugs me... Paying to play and paying to get more, and paying to get stuff from other users, and being able to make and sell your own stuff? >_>
Its almost like they just charge for a lot more now, and added an Ebay style setup. XD Its more of a marketing device, than a gaming device...
Game consoles are not computers, and I feel that ANY online features of a gaming console, should be FREE! >_> But of course we don't live in "Perfect". XD
I think I'll stick to Sony, or if its too expensive, I'll get the Nintendo Revolution, until I can afford it. lol
Well PS3 hasn't even came out yet, and have you not looked at Xbox and PS2? It's the complete opposite really. Xbox is the one that always advertised "THE MOST POWERFUL GAME CONSOLE. OMG THE SWEAT LOOKS LIKE REAL SWEAT!". I never once heard a Sony system do that. Ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel
Plus look at PS2's top seller: the GTA franchise...did they go out of the way to make the graphics amazing and ignore gameplay? No, they did the exact opposite (and I think the game sucks, but it was original, innovative, and 'fun' to many reguardless).
But hey, if you want to hate something that hasn't even been exprienced yet, go right ahead. Sony hasn't let me down yet while Nintendo has and Microsoft never caught me to let me down in the first place.
A bit out-of-date, but the overall message remains.
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/ima...s/20050205.jpg
That's cool. :) I wasn't trying to say that the PS3 was better or the Xbox 360 was better... To tell you the truth, if I were buying a console, I would probably get the PS3 because it has support for a number of PS2 games I like, plays SACDs (I have a collection of SACDs), and has an nVidia GPU (and nVidia rules).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tidus Andronicus
Oh man, I want to find whoever made that and give them a great big hug. XD [img]http://home.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/heart.gif[/img]Quote:
Originally Posted by Behold the Void
I cannot be bothered to get excited. It's not even here yet. You guys are so impatient. Next you'll be saying "I Can't Wait till Christmas" or "I SO Can't Wait For 2010!"
. . . I saw someone mention Halo 3. I don't know if it's been mentioned because I didn't read every comment made but Bill Gates has announced that when the PS3 is finally released in 2006 he will be releasing Halo 3 the exact same day to sway people away from Sony's new console.
That's pretty low, it'll be interesting but low at the same time. Heh. It won't sway me. I'm all about the PS3.
Another interesting question, how is everyone feeling about FFXI on the 360? X_x I feel betrayed by Sony sorta.
Also, XBox LIVE is beginning to aggravate me. I'm a loner gamer. I don't play Online and I feel like everything coming out lately is designed specifically for online play. Grrrr.
Edit - My Bad. I mean FFXI. To many I's. <3
Microsoft knows that their system can't stand up against PS3, so they'll try to release it before PS3 and then release Halo 3 to see if that will help... though I doubt it... I'm saving my money for whenever PS3 comes out.
If Xbox 360 and PS3 both came out on the same day, who do you think would sell more?? ^_~
Granted, Sony better make the price reasonable... still I think that they'll win hands down.
Still, I think Sony should tell everyone that PS3 will come out next spring, then they should release it without telling us, before Xmas! XD
From what I've read on IGN, most of the games displayed for the Xbox 360 are currently running on Alpha dev kits, meaning they're only utilizing 25-30 percent of the system's actual power.
Umm, you mean FFXI right? FFXII will be out on PS2, before the next gen systems arrive. FFXI is going to be on Xbox 360, which is understandable seeing as it's an online game, and it seems like that's what Xbox is turning into...everything online. I think it's cool though...that means a wider audience will get to play FFXI...and lets not forget it's on PC as well, unlike any FFs aside of VII and VIII.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzakeru
So it will be playable on PS2, PS3, Xbox 360, and PC...I really don't feel betrayed...they're just making it availble to more gamers (Plus if you want to feel betrayed by anyone, it's not Sony to feel betrayed by...it's SquareEnix). :)
Another question. How many of you have actually sat down and played an XBox game for a few hours? This goes out to al of you "Xbox sucks" people.
first of all, where did you hear that? O_o
second, FFXI is already out, why would they rerelease it on the next xbox...
And third, PS3 will also have fully functional online play... but it wont be so full of fees for everything >_< (PS3 will probably just have one monthly fee), and it won't have that stupid buy sell-crap that no one needs...
Everything about Xbox 360's online stuff makes me want to stab my self in the face if I ever even consider buying it... BAH... Not to mention that ugly interface that they will be forcing every game thats developed for Xbox 360 to have.
Oh yea! And if everything Microsoft is showing is on alpha stuff, and they plan to be the first next gen system released, then Sony's PS3 must be even BETTER than we've seen as well, cause all they are showing is demos too! Since they wont be releasing until after xbox (supposedly) So I still think PS3 will be a lot better! =P
well, ive played halo, and if thats the best the xbox has to offer, then im really not impressed. the only other game that even sparks my intrest on the xbox is ninja gaiden, but i need to have lots of games to justify buying a console. so i think i have every right to say that i think the xbox sucks.
No, I'm not interested. I had and Xbox for awhile but I got sick of it and sold it. :/
I'm getting the Revolution. I'll be getting the PS3 also (Probably only for Final Fantasy, unless sony actually release something other then FF that catchs my interest this time. xD)
I might get a PS3 just for MGS4 and, if they make it, Suikoden V.
"PS3 will probably just have one monthly fee", and "PS3 will also have fully functional online play," which is exactly what Xbox Live currently has. Granted many of us at the forums agree with you that the PS3 certainly has the edge but saying things like what you said above does seem highly "fanboy-ish." Maybe check out to see if your claims are correct before promulgating the virtues of the PS3 so readily. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tidus Andronicus
I have. It's not that great, really, kinda fun sometimes (like Halo 2 with my cousins) but generally unimpressive.Quote:
Another question. How many of you have actually sat down and played an XBox game for a few hours? This goes out to al of you "Xbox sucks" people.
http://www.forbes.com/technology/200..._0516xbox.html
http://www.1up.com/do/download?cId=3140612
Tidus read and also download the trailer (which many assume to be FFXI), SE IS going to release FFXI for Xbox360 for no other reason that they could and can make money off of it. FFXII i heard is still a PS release so far.
From what i feel, its up to Sony or MS to charge for online and also up to the game developers to charge for say an MMORPG. So the fees i have to say will be up to them, and i wouldnt be surprised if both of them have fees. We dont even have too much of a definite plan for any console right now(especially Nintendos atm..so under veil). Fanboyism sucks :x
As for Xbox Joel i have played a few from my friends and on demos at stores...and i dont know why but alot of them are kinda lackluster to me somehow...just doesnt have that spark the other games do.
I haven't. I can't bear to do it. It's freaking painful!Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel
Yes. My roommate had one. I didn't find it fun...at all. Of course, Halo is fun online...and only online...but it's on PC aswell, so why waste money on an Xbox, and Xbox live when I can play it on my PC, on dialup, for free?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel
I'm not one of those "XBOX SUCKS!!1" nazis, but I must say I've yet to see any games worth playing on it that aren't on other platforms. It doesn't make any difference to me what consoles people play...why should I care?
It's just if someone says "OMG UR GAYSTATION TOO SUKS XBOX IS TEH WIN!1!111" and it's more like "Playstation 2 sucks and you suck for playing it...Xbox is awesome", I'm going to respond with why I dislike Xbox.
It's all about the fun of playing the games to me. All Xbox lovers ever seem to tell me is "It's got the best graphics. PS2's graphics suck!" or "It's got a 12793661868931418946984689178643871436 GHZ processor! Your PS2 doesn't have that!"
So yeah...I mean if I saw atleast a handful of games I'd be interested in playing on it, I'd get one...but I've yet to see a handful of games exclusive to Xbox that I'd be interested in playing.
Well DMKA what about Katsumi's nice nice package and....*dies* XD
Sorry thats like the only other game i was interested in O_o..besides Halo of course and Halo 2 but it still doesnt make me feel like forking over the money for 3 games.
Look at it this way. US PS2/3 won't have Guilty Gear X2 #reload or SNK Vs Capcom.
maybe so but it does have Guilty Gear 1,2 King of Fighters 1,2 Street fighters 1,2 and 3....if I were to be all anti Xbox (which Im not) I'd probably say "well xbox /2 wont have killzone 1/2 and use Unreal engine 3". but thats not the type of aditude I'm going for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel
You cant judge Consoles by if they do/dont have 2D gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Joel
I love 2D games ( espically GG ) but I still think Sony has a very good and well rounded games.
And I was fortunate to live in UK to get GGX2 Reload on PS2 yay!
RE5 and MGS4 are so far the reasons why I'm not going for an X-Box 360. I reckon GTA: Sin City and FFXIII (provided both are made) may add to that. RE, MGS, GTA and FF are my favourite game series, and seeing as I'm not made of money, I'll be going for the console that I know is a lot more likely keep me entertained in the long run. If Microsoft get all those series released on their system as well then I'll have to look at it a lot more closely.
LOL when I see that one system is better than another, I become more 'fanboyish' if you will tword that system. But mainly, I just hate microsoft, they are teh evil! =P
Of course, I'm of the belief that Neither Sony, or Microsoft should charge ANYTHING for an online system! There is no reason that Microsoft or Sony should have a Xbox Online service or a PS3 online service... Since I already pay for high speed internet, why do I need to pay them MORE just to hook it up to that internet...
I don't mind paying that kind of fee, as long as the games I play don't charge MORE as well! either that, or I want to only pay my internet fee and then the fees to play the online game... WHY THE HELL DO I HAVE TO PAY 3 DIFFERENT FEES!! >_<
1: Fee to have internet access.
2: Fee to connect System to that internet access.
3: Fee to play certain games online.
and with microsoft : Fees to get better features to otherwise dull games.
BAH!
Like I said... There shouldn't be ANY #2 fees!!!! I have the internet, and thus a way to get to individual game servers... I dont want to pay just to get my system online.
Either that, or microsoft and Sony should NOT allow 3 party game makers to charge additional fees...
I only want to pay for 2 of those fees... >_>
This is why I don't really care about online games... and why Xbox 360 wont be much fun for me, cause I dont care about its online features... instead I will focus on PS3, its games, and its graphics... who cares if it has online stuff.
ok... enough ranting... I just hope Sony does it right... unlike Microsoft with all its blasted fees...
I like Nintendo's idea, of FREE online play! at least they got the idea right.
If you want to call me a fanboy, fine, I'm a fan boy based on what ever info I see that makes the system I like seem good to me! If I'm wrong, I'd like to be corrected... lol
AND: Samuraid, I was referring to the multiple fees that Microsoft is planning to have on the 360, not to what is currently on Xbox Live. Have you read some of the horrors of 360's fees? o.o its down right scary how much stuff you will have to pay for...
I only agree up to the point of where the game is going to be hosted for online play. On the developer's server or Sony/MS's server? I would say depends...i do hope that it could be free some games online however either way but i do understand certain games need to be paid to play.
Thing is, if they don't standardize it... and make it either the job of MS/Sony to host, or that of the game developer... then we end up having to pay more fees... one for the console, and one for the game...
As easy as it would be to pay one fee for MS or Sony's standard service... Most game developers might want to have controll over their own game's server... thus letting developers make more money off us...
Its just too hard to even work out... Which is why I wish it would just be free totally... or at least just 1 fee that MS or Sony inturn uses to pay the game developers for server services.
Whatever lol... This is why I'll never get an Xbox 360... its too heavilly focused on online play.
Or instead of that you in turn pay if you want to play the game. I would hope that the online fees is nothing and that Sony and Xbox and Nintendo only have something like a well..Battle.net thing and you can be capable of hosting most games off each other's consoles and therefore no need to worry about paying for that stuff. For MMORPGs like FFXI or EQ, the develpers are surely going to host it on their own servers and therefore you need to pay them. But who knows... The point is the developers arent going to pay for MS or Sony or Nintendo to host their games if you dont pay consisntantly them in the first place. No one in their right minds will let tons of people soak up bandwidth and electricity and matienence for free.
Online play is the next revolutionary thing, offline play is the thing of the past, and its good that they are expanding this territory.
As much as Online play is fun in some ways... There are still plenty of good reasons that Solo play is fun and will not die out.
I'm a firm believer that single player games will always be just as popular as multiplayer. Single Player RPGs are still much fun!
And proportionally, there are a LOT more single player games out there, then multiplayer. (at least on videogame consoles lol)
I still like Online games, I just think they need to be less of a hassle. If I want to play a game online, I dont mind paying for that one game, as long as I dont have to pay just to connect my console to the internet (that I already pay for).
I would love to play an Online game like .Hack or something of that nature.
But if All thats available is Online games, then it gets kind of boring... And if each of those Online games has a fee... then people will be stuck playing only one or 2 online games... which can get boring eventually... and it might also lead to the decline of gaming! as more people will put time into the games that they pay monthly for... and that lowers the amount of money smaller 3rd party developers can make... and might cause the game library to become stale.
On the other hand, a game as revolutionary as .Hack would keep me pretty busy and I wouldn't need many other games. XD
I wont say that solo games will die out but the new revolutionary thing IS online gaming just like before the 3-D aspects of games when N64 and PSX came out and the realism disease spread.
The cool part about online is that you can have a multiplayer game no matter where you live vs anyone in the globe as long as they have the same connection and set ups as you. No more needing to go to arcades to face off with others or go to a friends house and bother them (and limited people to play with that way too), just jack a cord in the wall and instant multiplayer no matter where. With that comes competition and other things like MMORPGs which is the new fad these days.
The reason i play MMOs? I like to play with others, single player RPGs are nice but only play during spare spare time and it does get that lonely feel after a while.
All we are paying is that we can connect to other servers around the globe. Internet is just a bunch of servers, in fact the only thing we pay for is the ability to tap into these servers. The thing is since you are connecting to theirs, you are draining bandwidth amongst other things. If you are going to complain about that then maybe we should also complain to people who offer good webhosting to give it to us for free since we pay for the right to tap in servers. Webhosting is the same deal like EoFF here, we pay to host this site up that uses up the server's bandwidth and electricity. Apply that to a game that requires constant relaying of information and thats what we pay for. Is it the only thing we pay for? No way they do this to make a profit like webhosters, so the same deal is they want profit and its normal.
Difference between paying for webhosting and paying for an online game seems similar enough to me.
No way will gaming become stale that easily..especially if the smaller brand game companies make games will be bought out by bigger companies. You must also know that although solo games out there are fun, most people know that playing with friends only multiply the enjoyment more. Hence where i feel online gaming will become mainstream one day and be a huge cash cow of companies. The problem is that we need the game to last else there is no reason to pay to play something that will die soon. Online game profit > Offline game profit if done right.
ONline gaming is still kinda new in terms of getting great profit in, it has the potential...i am pretty sure at least.
Well, some people, such as my self, would never have even started to play games, had it not been for the single player aspect.
As much as I like MMORPGs, I still find myself enjoying it without playing with other people. In fact, I hardly EVER party with other people, unless I have too. I like seeing people around, it makes it feel like its a world... But I don't need to play with them, and I can completely ignor them if I want too.
With a lot of Xbox games, I always see competition... and to me, competing with people online isn't as appealing as a solo game, or quests.
Not to say that I dont occasionally enjoy fighting someone else... But I'm not going to pay for a system heavilly based on games that are competitive, when there is another system that will most likely offer more of my kind of game. From my point of view, most games I've seen on xbox live are competitive.
In my mind, PS3's online might contain more MMO style games... or even if they are competitive style games... The PS3 isn't as heavilly based on Online play. And Sony knows this, as they said earlier today at E3.
Which brings us back to the point that people are going to choose a console based on the kinds of games they like first, and graphics second.
I'd like to see plenty of games on each system with plenty of good features and different kinds of play... Would be nice if cross platform online games would let people on PS3 play against people on 360! Wouldn't that be cool! ^_^;
Well, whatever, it is a choice of game preference... But I still maintain that PS3 is more powerfull and will have more games that I enjoy on it. Plus I'm sure that the better graphics will pull developers to the system cause there is more they can do with it.lol
I just hope that both companies will make online play less of a hassle than it has been in the past... and NOT make it mandatory...
(and by mandatory I mean that I shouldn't have to pay extra to download content to make my game not suck. And that an equal amount of games wont even have online features, compared to the ones that will.) lol
Which if you dont play with others i feel the MMO is a failed game. Interaction i feel is key to MMORPGs and which is why i like FFXI since you need to have friends and party for the most part. I wont pay to play a single player game. You can choose not to interact but sitll i feel that defeats the purpose. I can play FFVII and not interact at all.
For those into competition, it comes with Street Figher and Halo..those that have real cash prizes. Competition is what made those games thrive, its a strong point to being online which is why people play it.
The reason why i feel PS isnt going to be online alot is becuase they havent structured a real online game plan yet. What did they do with PS2's? Nothing really besides FFXI who is the only game out there to fully utilize their HDD. Xbox has the knowhow and the PC market under their wraps and therefore will win out on the PS in terms of online gaming which is a huge part of gaming these days.
I still think that if you want online play, the PC and Xbox is for you, and if you dont PS and Nintendo. But i cant say too much on the big N...i mean we know too little...but i am sitll very into that one.
You play MMOs your way, and I'll play them mine... thats the point isn't it? MMOs try to create a world where different players can do what they want... I think thats the idea behind MMOs... not just teamwork. In a game simillar to .hack, I can sit around and do nothing, if thats what I wanted to do. (I use .hack as a model, cause its my idea of a perfect online game xD)
And at this point, no one knows... I still trust Sony will get up enough of an Online system to be a strong competitor to Xbox Live.
Sony has already given their online service a name, and while I don't rememeber it off the top of my head, It was something like Sony World, or Playstation world. lol (Yea it is Playstation World, and sony just said that they don't want to force Online play on users like Microsoft.)
And yea, for online games, I prefer the PC. And I was kind of shocked at first when I heard Consoles were nearing online play. And most of them haven't done it right yet... Microsoft has made the most advances there, but Sony wont be too far behind. Sony has been doing Console games longer than Microsoft.
Even Nintendo has major online plans for their next system. So I dont think that there will be much of a difference as far as online play goes, from system to system. Its likely that all of them will have it soon. So it might not be a feature to differenciate between systems soon. ^_^
At that point, games and graphics will be the deciding factors.
I don tknow, its just if you pay to play a game that involves other people with it and you dont involve with others i just dont know...i feel it defeats the purpose. Not saying about playing my way or your way it sjust my interpetation and what i wanted in an online game...i mean what makes MMO special? the people of course, games get stale fast without em i learn...its just that without friends i would quit every MMO i played. I feel the point of MMO is that you are there to interact whereas you cant in a single player RPG and an MMO should try to make it so you get a single RPG feel that have people behind them and talk.
But i agree that at this point its the game and content i am looking at...its just i feel online gaming right now is a huge potential of money making and will be a good chunk of money i would invest time in if i was a developer.
IGN claims its new statistics say Xbox 360 IS MORE POWERFUL THAN PS3.
See them for urself here
This can only mean ONE THING:Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquallandZidane
SO MANY MORE 2D GAMES FOR THE 360 NOW!
Oh, I can't wait. :love: :love: :love: :love:
Why on earth would anyone listen to IGN?Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquallandZidane
Something does tell me they would say the new buger king chicken burger is more powerful than all three new systems.
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Originally Posted by CloudSquallandZidane
As with any performance comparison, don't consider it accurate unless it was conducted by a neutral 3rd party. (and even then, be careful) I don't trust Microsoft's evaluation of the PS3 performance the same way I wouldn't trust an evaluation by Sony of the Xbox 360's performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Article
LOL, those are microsoft's opinions... XD but if you actually compare the 2 systems with solid specs... and no silly graphs made by either side, The PS3 obviously is better!
That IGN article leaves a LOT out, and doesn't even mention what those features mean and how they REALLY effect games! XD
In some parts of that article, it just FLAT OUT LIES, adding and taking out specs from either system and not telling you all of where they get some of the number from. And they did a half decent job making it look convincing. lol
Example of whats happened in this artical: 3 meaning full numbers 16+16+10=42 where as only 2 of those numbers(with one left out) 16+10=26... the second seems smaller, CAUSE THEY LEFT OUT STUFF!
I'm sure we wont really know who is more powerfull, cause we can't trust Microsoft's Or Sony's words... lol the both lie about eachother to fool the consumer. XD
Microsoft seems to do this alot... although I wouldn't put it past Sony either... just don't go by their opinions, get ALL the stats, then do a real comparison. lol
STILL, PS3 has a lot of good things that are 2 times better than the 360, and the rest of it is about the same as the 360.
And from what I've seen of footage of the next gen consoles, I clearly saw better graphics detail and effects on the PS3. (course I would have liked to see more from each.)
Xbox is still impressive, just I dont think it goes far enough in power...
And maybe right now I am a Sony fanboy, but I'm also a Nintendo fanboy... AT LEAST I'm not selling my soul to the biggest evil, Microsoft. lol
I fully back Sony, when they say: "The Next Generation starts when we say it starts!" LOL Not when 360 comes out to try and steal your money with its fancy fee infested Online features. =P
The 360 is the only console that has games that interest me. I pre-ordered my 360 a week ago.
You WHAT!!!!!!!! IMO, the thing to do is wait for about a year or so after all have been released. It's far easier to get an accurate judgement then, then it is now when half of "fact" is rumour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraf
Well out of the near 30 or more games that I've read information about or seen that will be coming out, the 360 is the console I'm wanting for now. Just like when the PS3 comes out I'm getting it on the first day.
Earlier, I noticed Microsoft spouting about how awesome 360 is... and while saying this stuff They also said that "The 360 will also have Dead or Alive 4 EXCLUSIVELY on Xbox 360!"
Wow, if that isn't a BS statement... The Creator of DOA has said several times that he isn't sure it will be exclusive to the 360, and that other systems may turn out to be more powerful, so he may take DOA4 to those systems as well.
So I don't believe Microsoft should keep lying like that, saying that people will only be able to play these games, if they get a 360... Especially when the game's creators haven't commited yet.
And MANY games that were origninally set for exclusives, go to other systems... lol take RE4, It was set only for GC, and the box I have for it says only for GameCube, yet now its on PS2 as well.
Developers hate doing 1 system exclusives, as it doesn't allow them to touch as many people as they wanted to.
I think Microsoft even at one point said UT2007 would only be on 360, which is also a lie... LOL The UT3 Engine was also developed on PS3 and the games will also be on PS3.
Yeah, every developer is guilty of that. It's generally just a marketing ploy. Developers who develop exclusively for one system kill their sales in the process.
How powerful will the PS3 be?
On paper, the PS3 is 2x more powerful than the Xbox 360 and 15x more powerful than the Nintendo Revolution. It has a processing capacity of 2.18 TFLOPS, which is put into context when you realise the FASTEST computers in existence can only do 36 Terraflops. It is said to be 35x more powerful than the PlayStation 2 is.
Bear in mind that FLOPS are not necessarily a very accurate measure of performance in this case.
And the fastest supercomputer runs around 135 TFLOPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Theres very little reason to care about how strong a console will be besides maybe a few key items like a network card or whatever or their storage medium as that will dictate the games that will be made or the attractiveness of the console itself. Get the games you like >_>
I would say give the consoles a year and a Christmas or two...then we can accurately judge which games you want. I made the mistake of buying a few consoles early and not knowing which is best in the end and you KNOW it will drop price eventually. If anything buying the current gen systems with most of the games out now, is the best money management ever.
I like the wireless controllers for one. I also like the fact that the Xbox 360 will be more of a digital media center than just a video game system. The fact that it will display dvd's in hi-def is awesome too. To be truthful I am more excited about the 360 than i am the Playstation 3.
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Originally Posted by Battousai62
if anything, the PS3 is better for such a reason, because it will be able to play next-gen BlueRay discs, and 360 and revolution will only be able to play standard DVDs.
How would that effect gamming, if everyone did that? XD Maybe, if everyone did that, companies like MS and Sony wouldn't make as much money in the video game area... And while it might get them to make more decent launch titles... it could also lead to the decline of video games, due to lack of profits. =/ But of course only a few people will truly wait like that, so this is kind of silly of me to say.XD Still, there will be plenty of info on what will be out on each system, before the systems come out, because developers will keep giving us more to look at the closer games/and systems get to being released. I think we will get more to base decisions on soon enough...Quote:
Originally Posted by lionx
Anyway...
Oh, digital media you say? Well, can the 360 read photos from your digital camera directly off the memory card? Can it play Blue-ray discs? Can it be used as a video conference system and play your mp3s, all while you play a game? Or can it use 2 TVs and multitask those features on each screen? No you say? Should I go on? or would you rather find all these out for yourself, and watch both system's press conferences? LOL Do a little research please!Quote:
Originally Posted by Battousai62
While MS's 360 is a multi-purpose system, Sony's PS3 is also heavilly focused on this job as well. And the PS3 also seems to have more features to support that, than the 360 does. At least to my point of view... maybe some people don't find those features very useful... I'll see if I can't do a side by side comparison for myself to see which system has more media features... hehe >=3
And on another note, as much as FLOPS shouldn't be use alone in comparison, look at the other stats of both systems! I can come up with one easy comparison right now using 2 stats that are linked together, as they are both stats for the processor! BOTH systems have 3.2ghz, and once again, while FLOPS don't mean much when used alone, consider that the PS3 has twice the FLOPS of the 360, as well as the same 3.2ghz speed, so when those stats are combined, its obvious that the PS3 is more powerful! You could also even compare the directly connected bandwidth of each processor, and how it is used; and it would still come out with PS3 on top! These are all linked stats for the processors, and thus effect preformance comparisons when comparing equal stats correctly.
This kind of comparison is much more accurate than just looking at single stats alone. At the same time, this kind of comparison, when done incorrectly, and read by someone that doesn't understand what the stats mean, can confuse and change what system looks more powerful... and this is what MS keeps doing in their comparisons... >_>
On paper, the PS3 is more powerful than the 360, and also has more features (at least in the physical aspect, this doens't include online features, cause those are unknown at this time).
ALTHOUGH, I still also believe that games, features, and innovations are what make a system good! Games and features are what people will use to make their decisions... some people will want what the 360 has to offer, and some will want what the PS3 will have.
Very true. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tidus Andronicus
Well that depends on what is more important Tidus, wanting the games and consoles now or later..its up to the person to decide, however i feel its better in the long run to wait ^^
Also i dont see how the multi media system argument works especially if you back up the PSP or own one. =/ Its the same thing if you want to put it that way. If anything the Revolution with its current info on it, seems to hold most interest in gaming only since it seems to be the primary focus and with its downloadability. So if its a digital media center the Xbox, so is PSP and just about anything that doesnt play games exclusively.
But despite that, its up to the developers to ultilize and push the console to its limits. Like the PS2 it was pushed hard espcially with FFXI and the recent games. The GCN, no matter how much better, did not do as well due to no interest of pushing it to the max, somewhat like Jaguar and Atari's systems.
Honestly, if Nintendo's only trick up their slieve was the downloadable games plan... well, that just doesn't seem so great... I mean its neat and all, and I'd be glad to play Mario, CT, the old FFs, or Zelda again... but I really hope they have something a little more... We still have yet to see what their controller has in store.lol
Oh well, we just need to wait and see about this also. XD
Lionx, What about the PSP now? O_o I'm not backing that up, or my own?
Sorry, >_< I didn't get you there...
No what i meant was, people who say PSP is the best! Yet they say that the Xbox is a pure media machine and not for gaming, really are kinda being contradictory since there are Media devices for the PSP as well and its not only for games. Just something i see alot in college, PSP is great! But Xbox sucks since its not focused only on gaming! And the works... :rolleyes2
As long as they continue to be the great first party developers they always have, that's enough of a trick for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tidus Andronicus
lest just say that if PS3 is as big(if not bigger)a leap in beauty and control,and disine in gameplay, then that is all it'll need to be on top. as far as I know, PS1 has sold over 1hundred million units, and PS2 has out sold the xbox. most mags I read even EGM agree that Sony is King for this generation of gaming. and it might stay that way in the next generation.
I support Nintendo! Don't get me wrong... its just I hope they do good with this next console... we didn't even see any graphics demos from it... =/ all we've seen is the outer casing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Christ
The controller is supposed to be real... different from anything we've seen... and they are even being misterious about what the graphics will look like...
But if the Downloadable games is there only way of impressing us... then well, I fear Nintendo is gonna go down pretty fast... cause most people out there, aren't gonna care too much about that feature...
As much as I love them T_T... The really need to be more competitive, and stop leaving us in the dark... lol
Esepcially with Emulators :x
Actually, there are new rumors (and hints Nintendo keeps giving out) that Say the Revolution's downloadable games, might be free for the older stuff! (pre-Revolution games or pre-Gamecube)
If so, I think thats a much better draw to their system. lol
One word- Halo. Consoles rule and keyboards suck!!
O_o... um ok, Yea, Halo 1 was good, and 2 was decent... Although I have serious doubts that Halo 3 will be worth anything more than a dirty sock...
I don't doubt Bungie, they've been great game creators since back when they made games for mac... but Microsoft now owns them, and Microsoft wants Halo 3 to be out by the release of PS3... and if they are really gonna force Bungie to release it that soon... its gonna suck... it took 2 years to make Halo 2... and most good games take about that much time, if not a lot longer, to develope. MS thinks that Halo 3 will help them to out sell PS3... but at this rate... Halo 3 is gonna suck monkey ball, and won't help MS make a dent in PS3.
Oh, and I can easilly buy a controller for my computer for games, if I wanted to. ^_~
I agree they dont need to rush Halo 3. For the console wars i will be getting both a Xbox 360 and a PS3. I was always a PS2 fan before I played the Xbox, I guess I just got tired on waiting on Square-Enix.