The pro soccer team manchester United has been sold!!! but guess what.ITs been sold to an American!So I'm cherring as the fans are going boooo.Why I say because Chivas owns all.
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The pro soccer team manchester United has been sold!!! but guess what.ITs been sold to an American!So I'm cherring as the fans are going boooo.Why I say because Chivas owns all.
If I was the owner, I'd make them mow my lawn. In sexy lingerie. :twocents:
It's not been "sold" as you put it. Malcolm Glazer has "bought" 70% of the shares available for Manchester Utd PLC. So he has a controlling stake in the club.
I dont see why all the fans are so angry about this, this dude will put a lot more money into the club allowing them to get better players to play better, i think it was a bit too far when they threatened to create their own team :choc:
That guy looks like an IT teacher in my school...
Glazer is a Class A prickpipe. Seriously, he's such a c**ksplash. All he's going to do is put the club in debt.
Someone should kill him before it's too late.
I loooove Man United controversy. It pleases my sadistic little heart. xDDD But if a Russian can buy Chelsea and splurge in such a shameless way, why can't an American buy MU? :p And I asked.
It's clear few of you know the history or even anything bout this Yank Twat. The Russian bught Chelsea and payed off their debts while doing it, all with his own money. He goes to nearly every game, it's like his hobby.
Glazer has BORROWED money to buy 75% of the shares in Manchester United, a club with NO debt before, now we will inheri HIS debt, understand?
To pay that debt he could hike ticket prices or stall transfers or bSICALLY DO WHYATEVER HE WANTS ONCE HE GETS 80%. He's is only in it for the money. He is Satan. We do NOT need him.
No, I didn't know that.
But then, I never said that he was going to splurge like Roman Abramovich did...it's pretty obvious he's not going to. He just wants to be mean to Fergie, I thinks. xD I remember there was all this stuff between Fergie and a HORSE some time back; did that involve Glazer!? Or someone else whose name started with 'G'?! I know they're also shareholders (or were, as it may be.)
That was between Ferguson & J.P. McManus & John Magner. The previous highest share owners who sold us out to Glazer for money. None of them give a toss about the club. All fatcat businessmen on the make.
THAT'S it. Yep, I am waffling on about them. So they sold their shares, hmm? Skanks. :p All of 'em. But I can't say Fergie is awesome or anything. :rolleyes2 And I still believe no club screwed up as much as Leeds. Poor Leeds. :( They were so awesome...how could they get relegated?! ;_;
How could they get relagated? Simple. Then got in debt and had to offload there best players. Which is probably whats going to happen to Man Utd. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Resha
Not that I care, as i'm a Liverpool fan. :p
im sure your really overjoyed at this takeover :choc:Quote:
Originally Posted by NM
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers won the Super Bowl three years ago.
Also, no one wants outside forces to own a extreme slice of the club who only wants money.
It's FOOTBALL. Do you actually wants someone to own all? I mean, would you enjoy a favorite team of yours owned 75% by a foreign person who then hicked tickets and shirt sales and advertised his brands and controlled every choice and not the manager (Buy back Beckham- He has advertising abilties!) and has no interest in the sport at hand?Quote:
The pro soccer team manchester United has been sold!!! but guess what.ITs been sold to an American!So I'm cherring as the fans are going boooo.Why I say because Chivas owns all.
It's always nice to see Man U fans suffer. After all they do like to rub their recent success in our faces every chance they get. What goes around comes around, as they say. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Squinn
I think fans should only be mad when the guy starts trading off players.When that happens then i think its time to get pissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
REally I have respect fo MU I just don't like Beckham.He is too overrated and an overpaid athelete.Well he's the most overpaid athelete in the world.
Lordblazer when he starts selling players, it's too late to get mad. The idea was to nip it on the bud. The fact that Scouse supporters are gloating at this only demonstrates how much we have owned them over the last 15 years. Such bitterness & spite.
Regarding the Bucs, BBC interviewed several Bucs fans on Glazer & they all stated the fears United fans are stating. He's only in for the gain. This is a dangerous time for United, and indeed football as a whole. It could happen to anyone if it happens to us.
the guys loaded hes bound to end up with more than 80% in this case
its going to be a psychotic season next
I find it all moderately hilarious.
;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoden
£300 million of debt. THAT'LL teach you to dominate the 90's.
Sunderlands in the permier league now Newcastle are getting payback with Bellamy Man U are goig to drop its going to be weird for the northern teams
I don't know hy everyone's gloating about it, it happened to Leeds, it could happen to United, why not Arsenal, Liverpool or Newcastle?
The only team that seem safe is Chelsea :cry:
I can't speak for everyone else, but I know that I for one have had to put up with Manchester United fans gloating about their successes for a very long time...well, up until recently anyway :pQuote:
Originally Posted by tomamar04
He should have bought them earlier when the exchange rate was better. :D
If we didn't have horrible owners to blame for our sports teams' shortcomings then we'd have to actually face the problems of our daily lives. And who wants to do that?
I don't know about the rest of my fellow Englishmen/women here at EoFF, but I'm sick to death of hearing about this on the news.
Just hurry up and sell the damned club already. :p
I just understood heck of a lot more now...^_^
He currently has 74.81%....only 0.19% away from owning the club!! ^_^ Or maybe my news is lagging, but whatever.
I feel REALLY SORRY for Glazer, I do! Why on earth is he putting himself through hell and anger and rage and stupidity from everyone for MANCHESTER UNITED, of all clubs?!?!?!?!
[q=NM]How could they get relagated? Simple. Then got in debt and had to offload there best players. Which is probably whats going to happen to Man Utd.:D[/q]
You bet! xD But the difference is, MU deserve it and Leeds didn't. :( But isn't it totally unfair when one person (like in the Leeds case) messes everything up and the whole club has to pay for it?! See what happened when Leeds got relegated? Alan Smith went to MUUU!! GRRR! Maybe he's jinxed, Alan Smith. Maybe...o_O :p
And...Quote:
Originally Posted by Walker Texas Ranger
We're taking about the takeover of Manchester United here, not thate.
I'm not gloating, it just amuses me the way united fans are reacting. Burning their season tickets and effigys of Malcolm Glazer. I just think it's a crazy way to react to whats happened. After all, once a business becomes a plc, someone can come in a buy it like Glazers done. You got the money when the club was floated on the stock exchange, now someone's come in to buy the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomamar04
I AGREE. They're acting like psycho maniacs! Like I said, I feel so sorry for Glazer. And they're planning to boycott as well. Nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by NM
Realistically, Man Utd wasn't floated on the stock market for the good of the fans. It was to make money and unfortunately, like NM correctly says, one of the risks of becoming a PLC, is that at any given time, someone can come along and buy you. Maybe the fans should be angry at the men that floated the club in the first place, and basically just whored the club out for merchandising and profiteering, something that just happened to be nicely supported by some success and good football for 8 or 9 years.
Glazer obviously sees Man Utd as a profit making business. Yes he's brought the club into debt by buying it, but he wouldn't have done so if he didn't see it a solid investment. Why would he let the team go stagnant by placing no money in to the transfer funds. I'm sorry, but if you can get loaned over 250 million, you can find 20 million a season for transfers. The club will drop off the pace and lose support if he doesn't allow the manager to spend money, it would be bad for business and therefore bad for Glazer, not to invest in the future of Manchester United.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers won the superbowl two years after Glazer took them over. He obviously is a good businessman, and Manchester United fans, fans of a team on their way down in terms of the success they enjoyed in the nineties (don't expect one utd fan to admit that however) should give him a chance. Quite frankly the pitiful demonstrations buy the few thousand fans holding shares are pointless. Man Utd's biggest support groups are foreign anyway, and realistically couldn't give a monkeys who owns the club, much less who's in the starting eleven.
I don't think he's good for the club, but I think many fans have taking too far by leaving the club, and saying he'll destroy Man United.
As a great deal of you lack the capacity to understand, let me spell it out to you yet again, why the fans are mad. hokai? hoakai.
Manchester United has been a well-run club, which has invested in the Old Trafford Stadium and players without getting itself into debt.
Mr Glazer's bid involves borrowing large amounts of money to finance any takeover, although the levels have been cut from the amount of debt he carried in his initial approaches to the club last year.
There is a fear now that he will eventually gain such a large shareholding that he can collapse his debt onto the club.
Source: BBC. Let me know if you are still lost. :)
We all know Glazer has put Man U in debt in order to buy all those shares. But do you really think Glazer has done it just to see Man United go bust? He's bought the club to make money.
I'm sure you could wipe that debt out in no time. I've already read about him wanting to rename Old Trafford, The Nike Arena. Look how much money Arsenal are making from naming rights to their new standuim.
Then there's ticket prices. Even if you up ticket prices by a couple of quid per seat, think how much revenue that generates when you have a ground that can seat the best part of 70,000 people.
Then there's merchendise. Even if the fan's in this country don't buy it the fan's in the Far East will. You really think those people camped outside Old Trafford, burning their season tickets made your club the richest football club in the world? Man U is a global brand and it will be no matter who owns it.
Still there's brilliance like this:
http://ronaldo7.footballclips.net/Cr...s/22186682.gif
aah...Ronaldo. You can keep your Robben's and van Persie's, he's all United will ever need.
I'm lost. What was the point of that post?Quote:
Source: BBC. Let me know if you are still lost.
Far be it from me to knock the regurgitation of published news, but coming from a perspective, where I'm not a Man U fan and can actually see past the nose on my face in terms of the club, it's useful to read between the lines.
It's plain to see why the Man Utd fans are mad, they think Glazer is going to destroy the club by collapsing his debt on to it, and I imagine many of the fans are worried about the knock on effects that might have on the club, ie, participation in European tournaments. But surely this is not the point, the fans don't matter, the puny resistance is annoying at best. The fact is Malcolm Glazer practically owns Man Utd now, and the fans are so busy whining, and doomsaying, that they probably haven't even considered Glazer's long term plan at all, which contrary to popular, Lancashire based belief, is not to run the club in to the ground by lumbering it with an insurmountable debt.
People were still lost as to WHY the fans where so mad. I reitterated why the fans where mad. Pretty much the point of my post. This could be the start of a trend. I'm pretty damn sure if it happened to anyother club, i.e. the club you support, you may be a bit more understanding. until then, I expect nothing more than gloating, finger-pointing & laughing from opposing fans. Nobody Likes Us, We Don't Care.
haha Glazers classic " i promise 20 million for players" chelsea have spent £300 million in the last two seasons on players.
You see that's where you're wrong. The club I support, isn't a PLC, we aren't available for purchase on the open market so it's unlikely that a buyout of this nature, where the fans are so heavily opposed, would occur. As far as I'm aware, there aren't many other PLC's in the Premiership, I know Tottenham is one, but realistically, who wants to buy them?Quote:
People were still lost as to WHY the fans where so mad. I reitterated why the fans where mad. Pretty much the point of my post. This could be the start of a trend. I'm pretty damn sure if it happened to anyother club, i.e. the club you support, you may be a bit more understanding. until then, I expect nothing more than gloating, finger-pointing & laughing from opposing fans. Nobody Likes Us, We Don't Care.
Despite my dislike for Man Utd, more from a footballing perspective than anything else, I am neither finger pointing, nor gloating, merely pointing out that Glazer has bought Man Utd, and does not intend to run them into the ground as Utd fans seem to think he will. If anything, my objective stance causes me a small amount of jealousy. Man Utd need a fresh approach if they are going to be successful again. The previous regime had gone stagnant, McManus and co. didn't care about the club providing their pockets were being lined, proved by the sale to Glazer. I believe Glazer's enthusiasm and fresh approach could well benefit Manchester Utd, but then I'm not blinded by media hype and love for the club.
I think Aston Villa is a PLC too.
not being a Public Limited club does not mean you can't get bought over. Both PLCs and Private clubs can be bought. The danger is, and this is not from a Man U fan standpoint, but as a football supporter stand point, is that this could spark a surge in takeovers. It is important to realise not all will be as successful as Chelsea's. The danger in the Glazer take over is that, as he is not a football fan, it's a business & will be treated as so, and if he doesn't get the results he desires he could collapse his debt into the club, sell it & move on without caring. I firmly believe that this is just the first in many takeovers that may flood top flight football by businessmen. My biggest fear to be honest, is the unknown. We just don't know what will happen. In a few years my view may change & I'll eat my words, but equally so, in a few years United to be Debt Wrecked & sold off. It's a wait-and-see from now as there is little left we can do. United may well survive a hostile takeover followed by a jump-ship but smaller clubs could fold. Just takes a businessman & a whim.
PS: Your last post was excellent Doc, proved to me you weren't just a blind hater.
its an either way thing it can kill Man U or make them better just depends but not liking man U well you get the point XP
its business so he its stupid to screw the team he is going to try thats for one debt or not it wont last forever either way
hopefully Man U wont end up like Newcastle being run by idiots lol (PS Sheapard owns greggs really!!!)
you may fin d me biast but i can see why Man U is mad but Glazer cant be judged the moment he tries to come in give it time who knows he could make Man U better than ever youll have to see
But WHY would he put himself through hell if he (a) didn't care for the club at least a little bit and (b) plan to make it a good investment?!?!?!
No sane person would, and most business men are sane. True he isn't top heavy like Roman/Chelsea guy, but that's no crime. -___-
howay now who would want to spend 970M if hes going to waist the club and his money he may aswell burn it if thats his intention
My point was that a PLC is open for takeover on the stock market, legal action can be taken, as was threatened by Glazer if a sensible bid is rejected. A privately owned club holds its destiny in its own hands and therefore is less susceptible to a takeover.Quote:
not being a Public Limited club does not mean you can't get bought over. Both PLCs and Private clubs can be bought. The danger is, and this is not from a Man U fan standpoint, but as a football supporter stand point, is that this could spark a surge in takeovers. It is important to realise not all will be as successful as Chelsea's. The danger in the Glazer take over is that, as he is not a football fan, it's a business & will be treated as so, and if he doesn't get the results he desires he could collapse his debt into the club, sell it & move on without caring.
You say Glazer isn't a football fan, but if you believe what you read, then his son has tried to reassure the fans that the Glazer contingency are football fans with the best interest of the club at heart. Of course, whether I or more importantly you, as a Utd fan, believe that is a totally different matter.
Your fears about the future of the club are totally warranted. If Chelsea fans weren't so blinded by their success this season they might actually stop for a moment and say, "hang on a minute, what happens when Abrahmovic gets bored?" This is the knee jerk reaction that Man Utd fans are currently experiencing, the fact is, Man Utd has always been a well run club with decent profit margins whereas Chelsea hasn't. If the Russian billionaire pulls out, Chelsea are screwed Leeds style, where as I suspect, Man Utd would survive.
In response to the other half of your past, I have to disagree. I can't see there being a mass takeover of English clubs by rich entrepreneurs. Sure it happens in the lower leagues, where a rise to stardom, Fulham, Cardiff or Wigan style sees share prices soar, but in the top flight, with top teams, the risk is just far too great. When you consider that potentially any team from about 9th down could feasibly get relegated next season, it isn't good business sense to buy. The only clubs that could get sold, have been sold. In my opinion, the likelihood of takeover at Arsenal or Liverpool for example, by a non-affiliated, unrelated third party, is slim to none.
Thx, for your final statement by the way. There are few members that posess the required footballing savvy to have these kinds of conversations with.
I,m only interested in one thing...that nothing disrupts the final. I hope Man U and Arsenal have a good and fair game...unspoiled by militant protests.
Frankly if the club does well, then glazer will make more money...so its in his interest to do well. If Man U want to try and reclaim dominance back in England and realistically challenge for European glory then this could be the spark needed. only one title in 4 years is just not good enough. Man U are currently in a big transition period that will dertimine its fate...Glory or Obscurity.
GLORY!
its business not football if you look at it
Glazer bought Man U coz they're probably the most famous british football team
anyway Ferguson gave the fans a right warning not to ruin todays final
why is it everyone hates united? so what if we fans gloat about winning we deserve it. its not our fault united used to win all the time. when chelsea start winning theyll gloat as well.
Incidentally, look what I found when I came to The Lounge! ^_^
http://geocities.com/kahan_hum_chale...ncaps/manu.gif
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