I want to talk to you about something.

Racism. It is obviously an issue that has affected me a lot, hence why I chose this screen name. I've never really been here before, so this is a big step for me to come to one of the more serious forums and bring forth a serious topic like this, but what do you think about racism? Affirmative action?

Does racism still exist? Many people think discrimination is a story of the past, but really, it continues to this day. My dad has faced age-based discrimination, and I have faced race-based discrimination, both among my peers and my superiors. It is difficult for me to deal with.

Do you think racism still exists here even on this oasis in the raging seas of the Internet? I bet it does.

So share your experiences, and let's see what we can do about this plague.

Racism certainly still exists. Indians are the worst off, really, and they definitely have copious reparations coming their way if justice is ever served.

You mean the irrational fear/hatred of others based purely on the fact that they are of a different creed/colour? Of course there is, you'd be ignorant/naieve to claim otherwise. It's part of our human nature, the same thing that makes us afraid of the unknown. What makes us different is whether or not you're prepared to understand/accept others and forego that initial reaction of fear.

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Originally Posted by Walter

Racism certainly still exists. Indians are the worst off, really, and they definitely have copious reparations coming their way if justice is ever served.

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I agree! :p

No, but seriously; yeah it still exists! In more ways than one, too. >=/

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Originally Posted by Walter

Racism certainly still exists. Indians are the worst off, really, and they definitely have copious reparations coming their way if justice is ever served.

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Are you talking about American Indians???

I also want to know if he was talking about American Indians.

I think with a lot of my otherracial friends, we joke about racism a lot more. Its more of a laugh at matter when your in a group you feel comfortable with. Calling some random black guy the naughty naughty word isn't suggested, and will prolly land you in trouble. However, I think when people are comfortable with themselves, racist behavior is not an issue. Unless you specifically are talking about negative only behavior sparked by racism. Then it just sucks.

I know Native americans take a lot of heat, and I think its just sad. I know we forced ourselves in and took advantage of them, but the Natives taught the ignorant white colonists many lessons. So with that I will always treat a native just as well - if not with more respect than most others. My bloodline sets me at either an 1/8 or 1/4 Native american, but you could never tell with my German, irish, norwiegen bleeched skin..

People from India are often deiscriminated by for a few reasons . Many Indains come over to America, and some people belive that they get too spoiled by the government. free college, tax free living for 7 years or whatev. Honestly I do not know all the facts. I am not too against this, as I feel for the people who up and left thier country to come here. I guess this is a whole nother debate in its own. I am just stating that this causes some hatred among people, and instead or responsibly taking it to thier represntatives, they take it out on the people themselves. Ignorance... ugh. (The above is true for people of all ethnic groups)

Please don't take anything i said here the wrong way :) I am hopying it was a constructive post. [edit] Being in the programming industry, I hear a lot of the third paragraph events happending as Indians are often attracted to the IT fields. Leaving some others feeling... screwed. I persoanlly don't aggree with that outlook and really think that we should be beyond that.

I would like to say this is not a typecast fact, and is only factualy to my personal experiences.

Bipper

Most poeple hate eastern indians because some are dirty.I mean seriously. During my week in DC there were 4 people to the room.

two americans one jordanian and one indian.

Anyway the indian room when he used the bathroom would pee all over the toilet stoll or not flush when he used the bathroom and took a dump..He wouldn't clean it up. It pissed the heck out of the three of us. We started using the bathrooms done stairs int he lobby area..I know I know we should've said something or done it ourselves. But lol you can see a big cultural difference right their.

Also another reason why a lot of people hate eastern indians is because The ones who work at convient stores. Whenever they say no change or osmething.

Well this happened once.

This one time my step mom went to go get her osmething to drink now she paid her drink with a 5 dollar bill.It was only 1.25. Anyway this guy an indian refused to give her change. Then he went from speaking great english.To "I don't understand english."

That crap pisses people off. How can oyu live in america and work at a convient store in a English speaking community. In which this community you live in. Yet speak great english, but when the time fits you. You pretend not to know English to avoid confrontation.

Now not all indians are dirty and not all indians do that "I don't understand english ploy." Unless they really don't speak veryg ood english. But oyu know what.Once oyu come to the conclusion of

People suck!!!!! then you start to realise that lol we all equally hate each other.


Thats what anyone would say. Anyway I'm moving to canada as a form of running away from the problem int he USA so hahahahahhahahahahahhaha.

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Originally Posted by lordblazer

Most poeple hate eastern indians because some are dirty.I mean seriously. During my week in DC there were 4 people to the room.

two americans one jordanian and one indian.

Anyway the indian room when he used the bathroom would pee all over the toilet stoll or not flush when he used the bathroom and took a dump..He wouldn't clean it up. It pissed the heck out of the three of us. We started using the bathrooms done stairs int he lobby area..I know I know we should've said something or done it ourselves. But lol you can see a big cultural difference right their.

Also another reason why a lot of people hate eastern indians is because The ones who work at convient stores. Whenever they say no change or osmething.

Well this happened once.

This one time my step mom went to go get her osmething to drink now she paid her drink with a 5 dollar bill.It was only 1.25. Anyway this guy an indian refused to give her change. Then he went from speaking great english.To "I don't understand english."

That crap pisses people off. How can oyu live in america and work at a convient store in a English speaking community. In which this community you live in. Yet speak great english, but when the time fits you. You pretend not to know English to avoid confrontation.

Now not all indians are dirty and not all indians do that "I don't understand english ploy." Unless they really don't speak veryg ood english. But oyu know what.Once oyu come to the conclusion of

People suck!!!!! then you start to realise that lol we all equally hate each other.


Thats what anyone would say. Anyway I'm moving to canada as a form of running away from the problem int he USA so hahahahahhahahahahahhaha.

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Wow... I think that was the most racist post since Paulus Ceasar.

RACISM was banned because he's a second account of -N- made during the fun times, but it was decided that this discussion could continue anyway.

lordblazer, I bet you seem weird to them too. We're all just people.

Wellt he issue iwth our indian room mate was a cultural issue.I only say that because every person who had an indian room mate said that they peed all over the stool and didn't clean it up or stuffed the toilet.
Remmeber 4 people are sharing this room and the bathroom with one toilet ok. There were 450 people there.Anyway we had to share this for over 3 weeks.

Anyway My friend eric,rishi,and this japaneese guy(forgot his name.)WEll they had an indian roomate. And I was int here room one day and the indian roommate used the restroom left and Eric said it happened again. Anyway Rishi started laughing(he's eastern indian but lgrew up in canada.). The japaneese guy saw it and man. He jsut said F it I'm tired of this BS. When there indignious india roomate came back. Man the Japaneese guy went off on him. OMG man you guys should've been their.
IT was a culture clash. The point was he was tired of people teling him(Sumiko told him to let it be and just use the restrooms downstairs in the lobby area.Sumiko being his classmate in japan normally.).Anyway he got fed up with people saying let it be and respect his culture blah blah blah you know the whole thing. Also Rishi bbought it up on the third day to the indian roomate and he just ignored it. Anyway Japaneese guy got just man furious. He said

"clean your **** up after your done using the ********* restroom I mean its not *********** hard just get a ****** toilet paper and wipe the 'insert japaneese curse word here' seat off."

I laughed because I never seen anyone get so mad before. Everyone else and inclkuding myself man we were kinda lifeless. He said something everyone else wanted to say. Anyway he almost got kicked out of hte program for "not respecting cultures" Which I think if he would've gotten kicked out it should've been for out bursting like that.

I bet I do seem weird to them but did I say they were weird? no...your just putting words in my mouth now.

First of all you guys really can't discuss racism/cultural differences/cultural clashes. Mainly because you generalise. I mean wtf? I didn't say all indians do this heck I said so myself in my previous post. I never claled them weird did I? Anyway I'm done trying to explain myself here. What I said is what I said. If it offends you then get bent.I mean seriously. Do you like roomates who piss all of oyur stool and oyu end up having to clean up their own piss. Sure janitor's do this job. But heck Id ont wanna do this job. Which is why I'm NOT becoming a Janitor.

Is this a let's-slam-Indians-and-drag-up-all-their-sins-LOLZOLZOZL thread, now? Because being Indian, I'm going to hate that. :)

We're all people, we all make mistakes. Tons of us have cultural differences. Why pinpoint Indians, specifically? And it's not even funny, if you're intending it to be a joke.

Seriously, I mean, some cultures have their own features, like italian kids that blast my ear-drums everytime they say something, but Lordblazer, you really are talking this too far.

The only reason Indians got anyattention from me in my post was because they were mentioned in the thread specifically. (see above)

I thought I would post my Ideals and see what anyone thoght of them. Its a touchy subject, and I really would hate to see it dealt with via flaming anyone who posts somthing that might be considered racist.. just my thoughts though. Calling the kettle black doesn't help its contents boil.

Bipper

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Is this a let's-slam-Indians-and-drag-up-all-their-sins-LOLZOLZOZL thread, now? Because being Indian, I'm going to hate that. :)

We're all people, we all make mistakes. Tons of us have cultural differences. Why pinpoint Indians, specifically? And it's not even funny, if you're intending it to be a joke.

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Well I'm not racist well I'll be lying if I said that lol. I get nervious when I stop at a small town in the Sotuh(On my way to atlanta.) Now depending on were your at white people int he south are either nice or bastards. Mostly bastards if your black.Yeah YOu know int he south there ar emore nice people than horrible mean people. Well anyway I got hte luck of hte draw and stopped at a gas station for of bastard biggots. Made me nervious as heck. Then I get accused of stealing. Anyway 2 hours laterat the police stations I get released. Nothing on my record no charges. Actually that gas sation was nortorious for oding hwat they did. Which is why they let me go lol.

Never again...I hate the south.

Anyway I can say one thing about my race(black). In places like the Southeastern regions were there are a high percentage of blacks. Well they back stab each other. ITs either htat or we are just too ignorant to see that everyone is making money but us because we back stab,kill each other,can never come to an agreement. Then when someone black does find success. Those person has to deal with BS and sometimes losing their family members.(Meaning the family just doesn't consider that person family anymore.). They get caled sell outs and all that BS. As a race we are worth nothing but for us to buy things form other people. Weare like stocks. Give us money and you get back twice as much you gave us. Thats us right their.

There I talked crap about my race and brought up some of the problems so it wouldn't seem I was bashing Indians.

BTW when i said that room mate the guy was actually from India and lives their.

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Originally Posted by bipper

The only reason Indians got anyattention from me in my post was because they were mentioned in the thread specifically. (see above)

I thought I would post my Ideals and see what anyone thoght of them. Its a touchy subject, and I really would hate to see it dealt with via flaming anyone who posts somthing that might be considered racist.. just my thoughts though. Calling the kettle black doesn't help its contents boil.

Bipper

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Well, I wasn't really talking about you. You did try to be constructive and your arguement wasn't completely one-sided. And the post above you was probably just 'Kishi joking about with Neel. I bet it was, anyways. xD

Lord blazer, I'm not asking you to bash your own race! I'm asking you not to bash anyone. This thread is about racism, so bash the racists and not the races. :)

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Originally Posted by MaxGrin

Seriously, I mean, some cultures have their own features, like italian kids that blast my ear-drums everytime they say something, but Lordblazer, you really are talking this too far.

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OMFG I was jsut talking aobut how different culture shave different views on certain things. Such as sanitation... Such as if oyu peed all over the stool at your parent's house and didn't clean the crap up you would get yelled at right?

ok
obviously my roomate wouldn't have. Now I didn't say ALL indians were dirty.I never said that.I just used an example of it because it actually smurfing happened and someone smurfing mentioned some crap on india. My whole damn point was to say that all cultures has its insults and that the only conclusion you cna come up with is people suck. Yeah ,... I mean WTF? why the hella reoyu guys so damn smurfing sensitive.


This is my last post int he eyes on world and me whatever hte heck this is fantasy.

I'm so pissed if I have typos you'll just have to stomach them.....

So its ok to be racist to the people that are racist..? >_>;

Racism sucks!! And not the member the .....umm.. The thing..Racism. well you know what I mean!!

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Originally Posted by lionx

So its ok to be racist to the people that are racist..? >_>;

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which isn't what I'm saying.


I didn't say that .How the hell am I being racist.

how the hell can you have a non racial approach in a racism debate. Say that it sucks.If thats the case then close this damn smurfing thread right now becuase its a waste of space if people aren't ready to get together discuss the issues. Discuss why it exist. Discuss some of the stereotypes.Discuss some of the cultural facts which are true. Discuss culture clashes. I mentioned the clash between the japaneese and indian roomates.


Yeah the india guy pissed over the stoola nd didn't clean it up.Same iwth my indian roomate. Same with my cusin's indian roomate. Same with Bryan's indian roomate.

As I was saing the program was an INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM. So they werne't indian americans or whatever the hell.The fact that most of them didnt give a dman about the fact that they f up the toilet. Is a cultural thing. It jsut isn't nicked picked in their household in their family in their culture. Nothing agianst it. Its a rude gesture to us. I mean it was definately rule to my japaneese friend. Were cleaniness is a part of japaneese culture.

Now when I mentioned the indian store clerk. Yeah he really did that BS and a lot of foreigner's who arne't genuine about their ignorance of english. They really do that crap to avoid confrontation.

Those are Fing observational/studied things. Now I never said all indians or all foreigners or all japaneese are htis that and this. Whatever it is culture is what is reverd to the majority of that group. Which in turn the question is what sparks racism.
If yu want me to say blunt racist remarks I can give you that. But if oyu wanna bull me and say I'm being a damn racist go the smurf ahead.

There is a very fine line between racism and sterotyping. I think the main words would be outward hate and judgments being placed on a race based on sterotypes.

I think lordblazer is merely pointing out some of the reasons that some people are so.... racist towards other races. Just cause you notice a lot of blacks that get nailed for robbing a gas station doesn't make you racist. Talking about it doesn't. Typecasting that sterotype onto the entire race, makes you a racist. (at least imo)

Lordblazer basically expressed the few diplomates (metephorical) that he met in one situation - and that is what racism usually comes down too. Letting a first time, bad experience get to you. it sucks; I mean I have done it. I have indeed done some racist things. I live in wisconsin - I never really seen many black people growing up. Then I go to the St. Paul are in MN. you see some random black persuasion person walking down the road as you exit your car, you make damn sure your car is locked. It didn't take me long to overcome this subliminal racism, but I think we will all experience it to a degree.



Bipper

Uh no i think i wasnt being clear, i was responding to this:

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I'm asking you not to bash anyone. This thread is about racism, so bash the racists and not the races.

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Sorry about that.

What bipper says is true, in this city in Cali there are more crimes commited by black people more than any other race somehow, and people are like >_> <_< >_> <_< alot when you see a black guy. It happens to me too and its not totally unjustified, and it does take some time to adjust and know that not every black guy will shoot you. Happens, took me a while too.

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Uh no i think i wasnt being clear, i was responding to this:

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I'm asking you not to bash anyone. This thread is about racism, so bash the racists and not the races.

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Sorry about that.

What bipper says is true, in this city in Cali there are more crimes commited by black people more than any other race somehow, and people are like >_> <_< >_> <_< alot when you see a black guy. It happens to me too and its not totally unjustified, and it does take some time to adjust and know that not every black guy will shoot you. Happens, took me a while too.

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bah when i went to the south when i saw another black guy i htought he'd do something to me lol. lol thats the south for ya lol.

Everyone is like that to black guys and i wasn't complaing to you about it. Dont thinky ou had me all sized up and think that I'm those easily offended blac people.I mena heck i get nervious. Black males get nervious over black males like "What are you gonna do?"

nothing big.
doubt its an issue over a crime. Heres the thing though... The media pumps everyone up on fearingthe black male. They only report the violent crimes of black males and the sex crimes white males and the serial killers white males. Man there are a lot of petty white thugs and a lot of black seriel killers out there.
That my firend is propaganda lol. Watch Bowling For Colubine.

also you should look into the creation of suburbia and what fueled it in the 50s into the early 60s.

BTW racism goes hand to hand iwth stereotyping. Except iwth steretyping you can do it with anything like saying all truckers bang their cousin's. Now thats a stereotype.

Anyway the hting is. If white america right now is all pumped up on being afraid of being clald a racist and also caling poeple a racist like we actually care. I mena heck I goto a white guy he makes a generalization and I laugh cuz its partly true. Anyway the guy gets scared and says "I'm not racist I have a black friend."

Bah a lot of white teens do it at my school. The person that white guy points out as his black friend.Well the black friend doesn't even know him. Or probaly just said hi and bye or saw him int he hall way one time the entire school year.

The whole point of that statement was saying. Why do we have to say "I'm not racist I have a friend."
I mean I never understood that for some reason. I mean why care if your called a racist or not? I mean your you and you know rather your a racist or not. Who cares what that other guy htinks of you as a person if you know yourself.

If the media is pumping that up then could we know the real statistics..? I am curious. Although i do have to say some of the rap that is made does portray that stereotype.

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If the media is pumping that up then could we know the real statistics..? I am curious. Although i do have to say some of the rap that is made does portray that stereotype.

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dude I'm talking nation wide in a sense locally in southern cali that is a true statistic but do oyu know if its nationwide or not?

I'm not trying to make oyu look like an arse you always have something to argue. Whose aruging not me. I agree with you like most of the time and I add some more points to it.


Rap isn't just a thing black people do.Theres a rap genere and every country and the only form of rap that potray's gangsters is gangster rap.
It would be nice if you knew a bit more of a genre before saying a in general statement.

Rap is like Rock its split into several different genres yet its all still rock.

Rap isn't just

I be walkingz up da street blahb lahb alh. ...

Most gangster rap that talks aobu thow they be dealin' is created to make money. Most rap listeners of gangster rap doesn't even listen to the lyrics. They can say them but really they like the beat.Yeah lol.

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Originally Posted by lionx

Uh no i think i wasnt being clear, i was responding to this:

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I'm asking you not to bash anyone. This thread is about racism, so bash the racists and not the races.

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Sorry about that.

What bipper says is true, in this city in Cali there are more crimes commited by black people more than any other race somehow, and people are like >_> <_< >_> <_< alot when you see a black guy. It happens to me too and its not totally unjustified, and it does take some time to adjust and know that not every black guy will shoot you. Happens, took me a while too.

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I understand that, it's not a problem. But I fear white people the same here in Canada because quite a few are worse. I'm white btw. Most of our white gangs are worse here.

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I'm not trying to make oyu look like an arse you always have something to argue. Whose aruging not me. I agree with you like most of the time and I add some more points to it.

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Dude.... i dont really argue, this is a discussion, i just wanted to see some facts as to where you got the information you are saying here. Its just a request to see some statistics to look further into this subject. How is that arguing?

What i mean is that whether or not the stereotype is true, rap does in general help fuel that stereotype at least to me.

Hold on how are oyu asking me statistics on stuff you told me? You said more blacks do crimes in southern cali and oyu want me to provide the facts?

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Heres the thing though... The media pumps everyone up on fearingthe black male. They only report the violent crimes of black males and the sex crimes white males and the serial killers white males. Man there are a lot of petty white thugs and a lot of black seriel killers out there.
That my firend is propaganda lol.

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I just wanted to see some research on that is all >_>; Thats all i asked.

Yeah,

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It would be nice if you knew a bit more of a genre before saying a in general statement.

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weird; look at the post above. I was trying to protect your views withmy arguement above. Like I said origionally - Sterotyping and racism are very much alike; A fine line exsists between them. I did not feel that you stepped over this line. I could not tell if your words were fueled by a small fact, or hate - so I guess that is left up for interpetation.

What linox essentially wants, is some statistical informatin. Like instead of saying taht I think its media potraying blacks as the majority of crime makers (or what not) - the words I think state and opinion. Facts always help your case better than opinionated information. I happend to see more white villans in movies, and on shows - so that negates your argument there. (I did not rip this word from word from the posts abouve - I appologize in advance if I took somthing out of context. Bottom line opnion < fact)

Bipper

Even as a same race, coexistent and living in harmony is hard as some among the race think they are superior than the others.

But it all start within yourself, as long as you dun discriminate the other race, the world will have one less person that is racist and the condemned race had one less reason to feel condemned.

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So its ok to be racist to the people that are racist..? >_>;

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I never asked anyone to be racist to the racist people. :p Look at what I said again. Basically; I don't think anyone should be condoning racism. Has anyone here ever been a victim to racism? I don't know whether it affected you or not, but I have, many times. And it hurts. A lot! And I don't like racist people period. But that doesn't mean I'm going to stoop to their level and be racist back to them kthx. :rolleyes2

Any attitude, action or institutional structure which systematically treats an individual or group of individuals differently because of their race. = Racism. As defined by this place.

:p Maybe we should all be clear on what racism is before going on with the debate.

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But it all start within yourself, as long as you dun discriminate the other race, the world will have one less person that is racist and the condemned race had one less reason to feel condemned.

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I agree.