squall's personality

sometimes i want to reach out and punch squall, like when someone needs help he just says its not his problem and walks off. but i suppose thats what his character is all about, some secrets and a strange past.
I was a bit puzzled when you are about to assacinate the sorsseres (sorry my spelling is terrible) squall and irvine are about to go in to the presedential room with the big didgital clock outside it. as squall is so un sociable it was strange when i saw squall and irvine holding hands (probally some sort of good luck thing) in a FMV just after you do the first bit in the sewers. any veiws?

Have you played up to Disc two yet? Hmm, so Squall and Irvine hold hands? I couldn't remember properly. But if they do, then:

(SPOILER)Squall and Irvine actually go way back(they know each other since they are kids and is from the same orphanage.) and it may be inside Squall that tell him Irvine is a friend.

ive completed the game but i was just wondering why squall was so un social ( well i kinda know but its hard to explain ;) )

Some of the reasons maybe:

His "sis" left him at a young age and feel that there is nothing in this world worth to value or treasue.
He setup a "barrier" in his heart to prevent ppl from entering his world to avoid being hurt.
He is just like that....I mean, some people are just anti-social without a good reason.

yeah, thanks :) . FF8 has always been my fave, it must be the story or something, but i really need a new ff. ive completed 10 and 10-2 but i cant wait for 12. any idea when it is getting realesed in the UK?

Sorry, no.

is ur fave ff, ff8 too? what do u like about it?

It is not my favourite but I do like it.

Good storyline seeing how Rinoa melt the ice inside Squall's heart.
Interesting plot twist of all of them being from the same orphanage and Edea is actually their Matron.
Another one is Laguna might be Squall's dad.
Lastly, the ending wraps up everything nicely.

The strange part is, those points are what most people hate about this game...

But they're all pathetic idiots, so who cares?

Speaking of which, my impression of Squall is that his mom's a Stepford Wife (c'mon, look at how Squall acts when Selphie's around him!). Either the prior, or he's just too accustomed being a lone wolf.

It takes one action or situation in someones life for them to start to be reserved. Reserved turns into introverted. Introverted turns into antisocial. This however has taken several years. During that time, being alone has become a comfort. No one near to worry about or to hurt you. No one to have to consider in making your choices. To suddenly be taken from that security and be thrown into a situation that requires you be open to people..... It usualy doesnt sit well. In the end most of your choices are still gonna be centered around what has always made you comfortable, reguardless of the fact that you may be trying to change it

the FF8 character have the best personalitys out of all the FFs.there are reasons for sqalls personaltiy but realy FF8 is more about the characters and past life and personality instead of all the fighting.and in the end and also the start of disk 3 sqall actually opens up.he has one of the best personalitys out of every FF character.

squall IS NOT!

look at what he wears. leather coat and pants with fur collar. it just SCREAMS "i'm a failing flamer"
and he wears too many belts.
i've made this statement like 32749387589 times lol and i'm gonna keep backing it up because that's one of the few things i hate about squall.

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It is not my favourite but I do like it.

Good storyline seeing how Rinoa melt the ice inside Squall's heart.
Interesting plot twist of all of them being from the same orphanage and Edea is actually their Matron.
Another one is Laguna might be Squall's dad.
Lastly, the ending wraps up everything nicely.

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*SPOILER*? :mad:

Squall is just a typical Scorpio. Grouchy and actually very emotional but refuses to show it until they have a mental breakdown.

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Squall is just a typical Scorpio. Grouchy and actually very emotional but refuses to show it until they have a mental breakdown.

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O_O i'm a scorpio and i'm nothing like that... lol.

are you sure?

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Squall is a nice guy deap down. He just acts this way for fear of rejection. But Even in disk 1 we see his nicer side (The scene with RInoa after the Fight with them 2 monsters) I like Squall, Because in a way I was a lot like him for a while... (Ironicaly I'm sort of changing the same way he did...Letting "someone" int my life...)

He probably doesn't socialize with people because everyone he has ever loved or cared for when he was a child left him alone. He probably avoids contact with people to avoid being hurt-altogether i'd say that he was just protecting himself. I kinda know how he feels... I think he would only socialize properly with someone he REALLY loved or had know for so long and so well that they are just "part of the furniture".

Squall's character was a big childhood-trauma/angst caricature.

I never noticed him holding hands with Irvine.

his clothing choice still bothers me. i always wanted to keep him in the SeeD uniform lol.

Squall did not hold hands with Irvine.

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The strange part is, those points are what most people hate about this game...

But they're all pathetic idiots, so who cares?

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So true...

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Squall is just a typical Scorpio. Grouchy and actually very emotional but refuses to show it until they have a mental breakdown.

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O_O i'm a scorpio and i'm nothing like that... lol.

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They also are in denial alot.
I'm just kidding, it depends on the Scorpio and actually, Squall might be a Sagittarius.
And Squall and Irvine NEVER held hands. I was watching every scene just in case.

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And Squall and Irvine NEVER held hands. I was watching every scene just in case

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Uh, yes they do. It's in that part of the parade sequence on disc 1, when the camera pans up from the sewers and Squall and Irvine are in the foreground of the crowd. Squall looks over at Irvine (who is obviously petrified) and they are holding hands.

That's the thing though. There are so many moments in the game - even before disc three - where Squall shows emotion and romantic interest in Rinoa. You just have to pay attention (and make the right choices). Just look at his facial expression when Rinoa leaves him on the dance floor: gutted and reeling from the experience. You'd have to be blind not to see it!

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And Squall and Irvine NEVER held hands. I was watching every scene just in case.

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Uh, yes they do. It's in that part of the parade sequence on disc 1, when the camera pans up from the sewers and Squall and Irvine are in the foreground of the crowd. Squall looks over at Irvine (who is obviously petrified) and they are holding hands.

That's the thing though. There are so many moments in the game - even before disc three - where Squall shows emotion and romantic interest in Rinoa. You just have to pay attention (and make the right choices). Just look at his facial expression when Rinoa leaves him on the dance floor: gutted and reeling from the experience. You'd have to be blind not to see it!

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Uh, NO they aren't. There is nothing even remotely resembling hand holding there.

Yeah, they aren't holding hands. I have no idea what you're talking about. Squall would never do anything like that, that early in the game. Or with Irvine.

YES, they are. I've attached some screencaps of them holding hands that I took with WinDVD.

Still not satisfied?! Then you can download the FMV that includes their hand-holding at Blue Laguna. Here's the link: http://bluelaguna.net/downloads/fmvs/ff8/1/Edea's%20Parade%20Part%201.avi

It's at they very beginning of the video. Squall and Irvine are in the foreground at the very back of the crowd. The camera pans over them very quickly, so you'll have to pause the video. Max out the size. Look carefully and don't be narrow-minded. If you still can't see it, then you must be blind.

Edited to add: it's pretty dark, but you can still make the guys out. Does anyone know how to light screencaps? I have some really big ones, but there are size restrictions for the attachments on these forums. But like I said: watch the video on windows media player, at size 200%, and pause it.

Their arms are in a V-shape; their fingers can be made out curled around each other; Squall looks over at Irvine.

I still don't think they hold hands, i mean looking at irvine's left hand, it looks no different that his right hand. I don't know why you're pushing this point so much, there may not be clear data that says they don't hold hands, but that doesn't show me clearly that they do either... sorry

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I still don't think they hold hands, i mean looking at irvine's left hand, it looks no different that his right hand. I don't know why you're pushing this point so much, there may not be clear data that says they don't hold hands, but that doesn't show me clearly that they do either... sorry

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I don't know why people are so unwilling to believe that they hold hands. Maybe because it doesn't fit with their idea of how Squall, or men in general, should act. *shrugs*

Whatever. If you've watched the video carefully at maximum size and paused it, and you still can't see it, then what can I do? You can't make a blind man see.

Personally, I'm about 98% certain that they hold hands - and I think it's adorable. Irvine is pretty vulnerable and, upon reflection, I liked the relationship between him and Squall (another vulnerable person) in the game. I say "upon reflection", because I'd never really thought about their relationship until now. The main reason I've pushed this is because I like to be right. :D

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Squall is just a typical Scorpio. Grouchy and actually very emotional but refuses to show it until they have a mental breakdown.

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Wrong. He's a Virgo. 23rd of August.

Oh and about the holding hands thing, what the hec. I doubt it very much. Those pictures were way too dark to tell and from what i can actually see (not that its much) Irvines hand is angled wrong to be holding hands. Its just an optical illusion. Squall's hand is in front of Irvine's and it looks as though they are holding hands. Plus Irvine didnt start getting freaked till he was handed the sniper rifle so there's no reason for him to seek comefort. And if they are in fact holding hands, whos to say Squall isnt grabbing his hand (or vice versa) as if to say 'Yo! it's starting, lets go!'.

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Oh and about the holding hands thing, what the hec. I doubt it very much. Those pictures were way too dark to tell and from what i can actually see (not that its much) Irvines hand is angled wrong to be holding hands. Its just an optical illusion. Squall's hand is in front of Irvine's and it looks as though they are holding hands. Plus Irvine didnt start getting freaked till he was handed the sniper rifle so there's no reason for him to seek comefort. And if they are in fact holding hands, whos to say Squall isnt grabbing his hand (or vice versa) as if to say 'Yo! it's starting, lets go!'.

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Did you watch the video I linked to? It's much lighter than the screencaps; I took them from a different video.

Actually, their hands are angled perfectly to be holding hands (without interlocking fingers). Squall's hand is in front (which is fitting - as he is the comforter). Squall is paler then Irvine. You can see Squall's pale fingers curled up around the back of Irvine's hand, and Irvine's darker thumb. Try holding hands with someone some time.... :tongue: That's the position.

I'd be willing to bet on this.

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I still don't think they hold hands, i mean looking at irvine's left hand, it looks no different that his right hand. I don't know why you're pushing this point so much, there may not be clear data that says they don't hold hands, but that doesn't show me clearly that they do either... sorry

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I don't know why people are so unwilling to believe that they hold hands. Maybe because it doesn't fit with their idea of how Squall, or men in general, should act. *shrugs*

Whatever. If you've watched the video carefully at maximum size and paused it, and you still can't see it, then what can I do? You can't make a blind man see.

Personally, I'm about 98% certain that they hold hands - and I think it's adorable. Irvine is pretty vulnerable and, upon reflection, I liked the relationship between him and Squall (another vulnerable person) in the game. I say "upon reflection", because I'd never really thought about their relationship until now. The main reason I've pushed this is because I like to be right. :D

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But you're wrong...

No, I didn't watch the movie you linked to, because I couldn't get it to work, it was just playing as a soung clip for me.

I still don't see why you're pushing this so hard. You say that you're pushing it because "you like to be right". Guess what? No matter how hard you push something, it doesn't make it right. The whole point of being right is that you are right, not that you have annoyed everyone so much that they've given up arguing with you.

The fact is that I have viewed the actual video (the one in the game) several times, and it still doesn't look like they're holding hands. If you have a "lighter" video that would show the thing you are trying to present better, than take freezeframes of that one and put them up here. Because the ones you have there and the ones from the game both do nothing to support your theory.

You have also offered no logical explanation as to why they would be holding hands. You seem to think that they make a cute couple. Fine, I think it's a stupid opinion, but it's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. But arguing that they are holding hands is disputing facts, not opinions, and you'll need to present some evidence to back your statements up.

This isn't the US court system. Your theories are not "innocent until proven guilty", but rather the other way around. The burden of proof lies with you, and if you don't present something to justify your claims, then we can dismiss them without a second thought.

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Actually, their hands are angled perfectly to be holding hands (without interlocking fingers). Squall's hand is in front (which is fitting - as he is the comforter). Squall is paler then Irvine. You can see Squall's pale fingers curled up around the back of Irvine's hand, and Irvine's darker thumb. Try holding hands with someone some time.... :tongue: That's the position.

I'd be willing to bet on this.

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One problem: Squall's wearing gloves therefore what your seeing is Irvines bare fingers and Squall's hand behind Irvines blending in with the black shadow of the background of people. The optical illusion makes it look as tho theyre holding hands when in fact the hands are just in front of one another.

This threads freaking dumb, I believe a ROFL is in order.

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You have also offered no logical explanation as to why they would be holding hands. You seem to think that they make a cute couple.

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Logical explanation? Maybe because Irvine is about to attempt to assassinate an extremely powerful sorceress, and is, like, terrified! I can't think of many situations when someone would need more comfort! Or maybe, as Slade suggested, Squall has just grabbed Irvine's hand to pull him away from the crowd. The problem with this theory is that, if my memory serves, it is Irvine who persuades Squall to leave their positions sometime later (as they're not supposed to), after Rinoa is attacked by the Iguions.

As to your second point: LOL! Er, no. I'm not a slash fan. I was referring to their platonic relationship. Friends can hold hands. Geez - it's not like they're dry humping!

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This threads freaking dumb, I believe a ROFL is in order.

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Agreed. This is stupid. The only way we could know for sure is if we asked one of the game's creators.

If you knew anything about either character, then you would no that there isn't a chance in hell that they'd be holding hands at that point. Squall avoids any sort of emotional contact at all, including "comforting" people, whenever possible. And Irvine tries his best to seem like a cool dude who is always in control. Sure, he's scared stiff, but he doesn't show it on the outside, until he gets up to the clock tower. Notice that when they get up there and start freaking out, Squall isn't thinking "Oh, great. Not again", or anything like that. He is at a total loss about what to do. Had he comforted Irvine before, then he would no what to do to comfort him again, and would start with hand holding at acting as a reassuring presence rather than starting by yelling at him to fire, which is what he does.

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If you knew anything about either character, then you would no that there isn't a chance in hell that they'd be holding hands at that point. Squall avoids any sort of emotional contact at all, including "comforting" people, whenever possible.

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Whatever. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm certain that they hold hands, and you're certain that they don't. *shrugs*

As for the "emotional contact" thing: wrong! Squall gazes into Rinoa's eyes at the dance (so romantic!), and he comforts her (sort of) after he rescues her from the Iguions - "stay close to me". Oh, and he gives Irvine that little pep talk up in the clock tower. And that's just the first disc!

Oh, and he gives Irvine that little pep talk up in the clock tower. And that's just the first disc!

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As for the "emotional contact" thing: wrong! Squall gazes into Rinoa's eyes at the dance (so romantic!),

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She's pretty, I'd be staring at her too. He was probably thinking "Damn thats hot"

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and he comforts her (sort of) after he rescues her from the Iguions - "stay close to me".

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Im sure he dosnt realize hes comforting her, its probably his leadership qualities coming through, i mean, what else is he supposed to say "Get outa here Rinoa your ruining everything!" or something. Ive noticed that Squall dosnt really have any proper feelings towards Rinoa till the 3rd disk (when Rinoa's in a coma) apart from cold feelings. It funny cause if you dont use Rinoa during the first two disks its almost as tho she was never there.

I think Irvine grabbed Squalls hand first. Squall just doesnt have the balls to do it himself. I bet he enjoyed it though.

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She's pretty, I'd be staring at her too. He was probably thinking "Damn thats hot"

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I was referring to the lovely moment when they finish their dance and come together - just before the fireworks go off - and he just gazes into her eyes. When you look into a person's eyes like that, you tend not to see the rest of them. Everything else seems to fall away....

Quistis is pretty. Selphie is pretty. Most of the women (and men :p ) in the game are pretty. And?

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Ive noticed that Squall dosnt really have any proper feelings towards Rinoa till the 3rd disk (when Rinoa's in a coma) apart from cold feelings

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Really? I actually think that he was smitten from the first time he met her. In fact, I think that his feelings initially ran much deeper than hers. Let me explain:

I don't think that Rinoa began to truly fall for Squall until the end of the 1st disc. She even tells him later in the game that that was when it happened; that his words - "stay close to me" - were what sealed it for her. I think that at the time they met, Rinoa's heart was still full of Seifer. Sure, she may've been superficially attracted to Squall (let's face it - what girl wouldn't be?) and intrigued by his attitude, but I don't think she exactly longed to see him again. To her, the evening could probably be summed up as just "a dance with a cute guy". Nothing life-changing. I doubt she thought about Squall much (if at all) until their next meeting. But for Squall.... Well, that evening changed his world forever.

I will post the rest of my essay on the dance and it's aftermath (or - "Squall's pre-disc 3 feelings for Rinoa") tomorrow, as I'm now falling asleep on my keyboard.

Slade, please do not reply to the above section of my post just yet, as it is only one part of a long essay, and does not make much sense out of context. Thanks!

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Quistis is pretty. Selphie is pretty. Most of the women (and men :p ) in the game are pretty. And?

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How can you say that? You have seen Adel and Dr. Odine, haven't you?

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How can you say that? You have seen Adel and Dr. Odine, haven't you?

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Key word: most. :D

Well, the essay kicks ass so far. *Stays glued to this topic* =o

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Quistis is pretty. Selphie is pretty. Most of the women (and men :p ) in the game are pretty. And?

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How can you say that? You have seen Adel and Dr. Odine, haven't you?

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they're babes.

Finish what you started, scooby. =[

Actually, upon watching the video.. I clearly show Squall's hand being no where near Irvine's. Squall is shorter than Irvine, thus his hand is farther down. The stills you posted cut out Squall's hand, thus the appearance of it interlocking with Irvines.

Squall was annoyed with Rinoa throughout most of Disc 1 due to her lack of anything in the situation she was trying to command them in. She had no sense of authority, or any idea of what to do, and Squall just ended up doing whatever he thought was right. Sure, he may have been entranced at the dance or whatever, but you try being a loner and have this really hot girl ask you to dance, and not look into her eyes and wonder.

As for the whole holding hands thing, you're the only one arguing for it, and I guarantee they're not holding hands. The only explanation would be if he was pulling him to go, because Irvine was far from someone who needed comfort at that point, like people have said, it's not until the tower that he breaks down. Either way, I still KNOW they're not holding hands, and apparently I'm not the only one.

Now as for the actual topic of Squall's personality, he was a loner through most of the game, always thinking of all the real possiblities, and even saying them aloud a number of times. He's a natural leader as well, and for that, I direct you to another topic where I talk about that, somewhere around here

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