What incurs Trance?

I mean, how does one have the ability to trance? The description in the game is quite vague, I think Steiner said "Only chosen ones can achieve it" or something, but is there a more detailed explanation in the game that I might have missed first time round?

I only ask because I'm playing the game again now and Marcus is in my team and I'm on the world map levelling up, and he can't get trance, which is a shame. I guess it's only for the permanent playable characters, but still.. is there a more logical reason for it?

Not really. Expect a thirty-page reply from masamune1600 anyway, though.

Marcus is not a "chosen one", obviously.

The trance occurs after taking several turns with each character. Unfortunately, the Trance gauge (near the HP) resets after each battle so it doesn't carry over. I'd like to obliterate the guy who came with that limitation.

I just don't see how Marcus is different from any of the ones who can achieve it. Like I said, the whole thing is a bit vague.

They're gettin' those feelins'

want me to come up with an insane illogical theory? too bad, i'm still going to.

lets see.... *transforms to future esthar mode*

i believe OZMA, who is the God of this world, can see the future. he's a big colorful superball (those bouncy ones) that has the ability to give a person the trance mode when they become very emotional at/for someone or something. we can assume this because i said so. now ozma saw the future, and saw who these people were that are going on a huge journey to stop necron (the obvious satan of this world). ozma obviously hated necron because necron is satan, and cheated on ozma with Ruby Weapon from the ffvii world. therefore, he wanted these ones going on a journey to use trance, as it strengthens everything about the hero. yes. that's got to be it.

*reverst to G-SpOtZ mode*

HAHA! i'm such an ass sometimes.

but seriously, i dunno what it is. it's just an overwhelming amount of power that is created through emotion. they don't back that up enough in the game tho.

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Originally Posted by Kawaii Ryûkishi

Not really. Expect a thirty-page reply from masamune1600 anyway, though.

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:( lol

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Originally Posted by Beclem

I only ask because I'm playing the game again now and Marcus is in my team and I'm on the world map levelling up, and he can't get trance, which is a shame. I guess it's only for the permanent playable characters, but still.. is there a more logical reason for it?

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In gameplay terms, only the permanent characters were given Trance abilities. Temporary characters, like Marcus and Beatrix, simply weren't designed with Trance in mind.

In story terms, that early explanation isn't wholly correct. Rather, Kuja suggests at Mt. Gulug and fully explains on Terra that anyone can achieve Trance. This would involve anger at one's surroundings, according to Kuja.

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Kuja: How can that-That moogle went into a Trance!?

Zidane: Kuja!

Kuja: So...an eruption of anger against one's surroundings induces a
complete Trance! It's not the will to live, nor is it the desire to
protect another!

Zidane: Man, you're really goin' off! Hello!?

Kuja: That means...I simply need a powerful soul, even if that soul is
not my own! No, wait... And it can be found there! Hahahaha!!

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Kuja: Yes! This is the power I've longed for!!! The mighty power of
souls! They assault any threat that tries to destroy them!

Zidane: Wh-What do you mean...?

Kuja: It's Trance! You know how it works. But a normal Trance won't be
enough to defeat you... You're all as resilient as oglops. Even tiny
moogles possess the power of Trance... When I saw that in Gulug Volcano,
I came up with a plan. It was easy. I just needed to borrow the power
from wretched souls that can't die... Where did I acquire it? It was the
Invincible, or should I say, that large eyeball in the sky? The ship
sucked up the souls of Madain Sari, the Iifa Tree, Alexandria, to feed
upon them... When it fought Bahamut at the Iifa Tree, the Invincible drew
in a powerful spirit... Can you guess to whom it belonged?

Dagger: No...

Kuja: That's right! It was your mother's soul. A wretched soul that
clung to life to the bitter end. The souls trapped inside the
Invincible welcomed me with open arms. (to Garland) They were fed up
with being your prisoners, Garland. So, master Garland. You are no
longer needed. And after you've worked so hard... I shall rule Terra and
Gaia with my unconditional love from now on...

Garland: What will you do with such...power?

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So, in story terms, I guess you could say Marcus just stays too calm in battle. ;)

You make a good point there actually. Marcus does come across as a little laid-back, hehe.

Plus, because he's not around the others as much, maybe he doesn't hold strong enough feelings for them to get extremely angry and trance when his allies are attacked. Not saying that he doesn't care about them at all, just doesn't hold strong enough feelings for them for him to achieve trance. Hmm, yeah I think that's an acceptable conclusion. :)

Steiner said "Trance is induced by a surge of emotion," but how come when Dagger loses her voice in Disc 3 - because of overwhelming emotion induced by her mother's death - she can't trance? Is it because she's trying to block out her emotions?

It's the same principle that allows Prince Adam to turn into He-Man. Or Bruce Banner into the Incredible Hulk.

anyone can get into a trance but they just need the correct emotion.the contolable characters emations are obviously pain and anger but the others are different.kujas is probbably power and greed and stuff E.C.T.but im sure anyone can do it.

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Originally Posted by boys from the dwarf

power and greed and stuff E.C.T.but im sure anyone can do it.

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lol

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Originally Posted by Mercen-X

The trance occurs after taking several turns with each character. Unfortunately, the Trance gauge (near the HP) resets after each battle so it doesn't carry over. I'd like to obliterate the guy who came with that limitation.

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No offense, but I've never seen Trance come into play unless the enemy does damage to your characters. (In other words, don't attack your characters yourself and expect a Trance.)

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Originally Posted by Mr.Cal

Steiner said "Trance is induced by a surge of emotion," but how come when Dagger loses her voice in Disc 3 - because of overwhelming emotion induced by her mother's death - she can't trance? Is it because she's trying to block out her emotions?

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It's because she was all confused about pretty much everything and didn't have a good bead on much of what was going on in her head.

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Originally Posted by Mercen-X

Marcus is not a "chosen one", obviously.

The trance occurs after taking several turns with each character. Unfortunately, the Trance gauge (near the HP) resets after each battle so it doesn't carry over. I'd like to obliterate the guy who came with that limitation.

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It only resets if the character was in Trance at the end of the battle. If you hadn't noticed, the Trance bar goes up when a character takes damage. Their desperation and pain becomes power, incurring Trance.

Normal Trance is induced by a surge of emotions (or so Steiner and Kuja say).

As for Kuja (Spoilers):






His Trance isn't induced by a surge of emotion. He used the power of all the trapped souls in the Invincible to force himself to Trance. Because of this, his Trance is more powerful than anyone elses Trance (a sort of Super Trance, one might say). In short, Kuja couldn't trance the normal way, so he cheated.

Trance was a combination of two different musical ideologies at once. On the one hand, you had a lot of techno purists who were rather appaled at the notion of hardcore's use of hip-hop samples and breakbeats, which prompted them to create a more 4/4 based, ferociously metronomic style. This just sort of happened around the same time as the concept of "armchair techno", that is, a style of techno meant for listening to, as opposed to dancing to. Both were steps back from the "go go go!" mentality of the hardcore scene, and they fused into this oddball music that lacked funk but was pretty damn cool on its own merits.

Oh wait... You meant... Damnit...

Trance is just what happens when you're fighting so passionately that you glow pink and your techniques become stronger because pink is obviously stronger than not pink. This is evident in the color scheming in the Legend of Zelda games, where the armor strengths go green, blue, red, and magenta, magenta being the strongest because it's so close to pink. DQVIII is also demonstrating the power of pink in its tension system, and Kirby has always been awesome, and he's pink too. The reason this happens is because of basic bio-chemistry involving adrenaline. You see, when you're in a dangerous situation, your adrenalin level rises invoking the "fight or flight" response. However, adrenalin also lowers the pink producing hormones in your brain. This happens so that you won't automatically try to fight your way through every situation with pinkness, since there's only so much your glands can pump out. In order to really use it, you have to calm your nerves to the point where you can control and direct your anger. Bruce Lee totally talked about this in The Tao Of Jeet Kune Do, there's a whole chapter on unleashing your emotions in a single blast. Clearly he had learned to harness his inner pinkness, but only for a brief period. FFIX is a video game, so naturally they can take certain liberties, in this case the characters who can trance have learned how to control the pinkness.

Does trance increase your character's stats? One time my Zidane hit a 3000 and then he tranced. When he attacked while in trance his attack did 4500 damage.

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Originally Posted by Legendary Caladbolg

Does trance increase your character's stats? One time my Zidane hit a 3000 and then he tranced. When he attacked while in trance his attack did 4500 damage.

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I think Garnet's jubblies get bigger.

Garnet Trances into Tifa?

lol funny. :D

trance only happens to characters who are yours forever (the eight ppl you can get). Trance happens when your characters trance gauge reaches full, theyre attack power is increased, and they can do some really sexy moves (zidanes dyne...*drools*). You get the trance bar up by being attacked, everytime an enemy attacks you, you get little more trance bar-ness. However, the story of trance is that its induced by a sudden surge of emotion, but seeing as moogles are smarter (remember? after leaving the evil forest? god i love that moogle...) the whole "surge of emotion" thing is just put in so you can see that zidane loves garnet. The End. Fini. That's all there is to it. *looks smug*

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Originally Posted by DJZen

Trance was a combination of two different musical ideologies at once. On the one hand, you had a lot of techno purists who were rather appaled at the notion of hardcore's use of hip-hop samples and breakbeats, which prompted them to create a more 4/4 based, ferociously metronomic style. This just sort of happened around the same time as the concept of "armchair techno", that is, a style of techno meant for listening to, as opposed to dancing to. Both were steps back from the "go go go!" mentality of the hardcore scene, and they fused into this oddball music that lacked funk but was pretty damn cool on its own merits.

Oh wait... You meant... Damnit...

Trance is just what happens when you're fighting so passionately that you glow pink and your techniques become stronger because pink is obviously stronger than not pink. This is evident in the color scheming in the Legend of Zelda games, where the armor strengths go green, blue, red, and magenta, magenta being the strongest because it's so close to pink. DQVIII is also demonstrating the power of pink in its tension system, and Kirby has always been awesome, and he's pink too. The reason this happens is because of basic bio-chemistry involving adrenaline. You see, when you're in a dangerous situation, your adrenalin level rises invoking the "fight or flight" response. However, adrenalin also lowers the pink producing hormones in your brain. This happens so that you won't automatically try to fight your way through every situation with pinkness, since there's only so much your glands can pump out. In order to really use it, you have to calm your nerves to the point where you can control and direct your anger. Bruce Lee totally talked about this in The Tao Of Jeet Kune Do, there's a whole chapter on unleashing your emotions in a single blast. Clearly he had learned to harness his inner pinkness, but only for a brief period. FFIX is a video game, so naturally they can take certain liberties, in this case the characters who can trance have learned how to control the pinkness.

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Seriously, that's funny stuph ^_^