We're not running out, why is it so high

Gasoline is getting its rediculous marks today over in the great state of Arizona. I'm seeing gas prices reaching as high as $3.30 a galon and nothing is being said about other than, "Hey look at this, gas is going up." But I want to know why. Gas isnt being depleted, yet the prices are going through the roofs. It seems too illogical to claim the source of this problem being on greed, but I'm not denying the fact that it could. Perhaps it has to do with Katrina, who the hell knows, because I sure as hell dont. I was even hearing in a conversation that on the east coast (people who live on the east coast, correct me if I'm wrong) are getting it worse than we are ($3.30 is us).

Im in a daze; I have to now set a budget of gasoline, not to mention my highschool education, meaning I cant sustain a full time job on this. This is serious bullocks!

Nevertheless, with the combination of these gas prices and Katrina, could I be wrong into sensing a inflation and the next recession in the future?

I heard it was because Katrina took out a bunch of our crude refineries, so we can't produce as much as we used to.

What Jebus said. Also, in my state, people rushed to the pumps, thinking we'd run out; this led to price gouging and more of a shortage than we would have had if everyone had simply gotten gas at a normal pace.

It sucks, boycott it.

There is still no good reason for the price hike. I heard a geezer saying he wanted to whip up on Arabs while I was at the Chiropractor today. I nearly hit the floor laughing. It's so biased and untrue.

I think there is a lot more to this gasoline habbit of ours than meets the eye though; and I really hope we get a different form of energy fast. Another great lapsing point of old G.W.B.

I hope Bush will continue tapping more reserves and get quick about it. If we have so much gas in the states (enough for 30 years at the rate we go (growth rate included)). Why don't we tap it and work on new energy costs? I know there are issues with nature and stuff, but I am sure if we stay cautious, those issues will be a mute point.

Bipper

Bipper

I doubt we've reached the peak in oil right yet. The prices were amped because of the war in Iraq. Though the demolition of oil refineries and bay's from Louisiana were quite a blow. Louisiana both imports and produces oil. Mainly the importing destroyed. The amount of oil right at this very moment that was taken by the waters and now is leaking. That would definitely be responsible for such a sudden jump. I highly doubt the war in Iraq could make prices go from 2.79 to 3.49+ seeing that kind of rise would be a slow increase.

So I definitely agree Katrina was responsible for this high rize.

One thing we need to start doing is improving natural gas (ethanol) use without the assistance of gasoline. Most gasoline is mixed with 10% of ethanol. Some busses use 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline. Seeing ethanol is a fermentated byproduct. If we could improve this strictly to fuel machinery and vehicles it's renewable. So hopefully before peak oil reaches it's march we can find a different method for operating vehicles. x.x

Ethanol could not handle such a drastic increase. Ethanol runs hotter than gasoline, and some older cars can no longer run it.

Ethanol would also make corn and other biomass worth more, increasing demand too fast would cause industry farms to aggressivley grow in size. The family farm already has enough dangers in loosing thier buisness, but by pumping up the cost of corn, the money would attract some deviants to the industry. This would also make the lust (and cost) for land go up, taxes would go up as the farmers sought to extpand thier farms to fuel the new need. Plus food prices would go up.

Corn ethanol research is funded farmers are a powerful lobby, not because it makes sense to grow corn for energy.


bipper

you guys think 3.50 is alot down here in texas its gotten up to 6.07$ a gallon i swear.
its crazy.

the reason gas prices keep going higher is not because we've run out of gas, but because the global demand has met the level of global supply, and regardless of how much oil is left, there is a limit to the amount of oil the world can produce in a year. It takes years to build new oil producing resources, and thus it's not possible to quickly increase supply. Demand keeps growing around the world as countries like India and China continue to use more and more oil. There's really nothing we can do except reduce our demand, and the only real ways to do that are to find alternate energy sources, drive a lot less, or use more fuel efficient vehicles. As long as supply and demand are so tight, any disruptions in supply at all, for example refineries beign shut down due to hurricanes, are going to cause prices to spike. We better get used to it.

TAKE THAT TEXAS!

To make my post have more of a point...I hate Texasdoesn't it take a lot of corn to make ethonal and isn't it not as

Effiecnt
Cost effective
BLAH BLAH BLAH REASON!

Heh, yeah old dead stuff > corn.

Anyways, I dont think that not being able to meet supply is a very valid explanation. The fact is, if they purposly lax in getting a supply of oil out, they increase the demand and succsfully increase the price.

I mean, he with the gold makes the rules right? Well, I think us yankies should get pumping too. If we really have as much as has been claimed, we should really tap it while its up in value to get more money out of it, and to scare competitors down.

Bipper

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Ethanol could not handle such a drastic increase. Ethanol runs hotter than gasoline, and some older cars can no longer run it.

Ethanol would also make corn and other biomass worth more, increasing demand too fast would cause industry farms to aggressivley grow in size. The family farm already has enough dangers in loosing thier buisness, but by pumping up the cost of corn, the money would attract some deviants to the industry. This would also make the lust (and cost) for land go up, taxes would go up as the farmers sought to extpand thier farms to fuel the new need. Plus food prices would go up.

Corn ethanol research is funded farmers are a powerful lobby, not because it makes sense to grow corn for energy.


bipper

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You are only listening the negatives. Prices go up of course just like any source. The same could be said about gasoline but then again it's less destruction of the Earth and positively a resource that will be around a lot longer than oil. The positives:

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Ethanol is a homegrown fuel that results in job creation, increased farm income, improved air quality, and greater energy independence by reducing imports of foreign oil.

In 2004, U.S. ethanol facilities set new production records and consumers used more than 3 billion gallons of ethanol in their automobiles. 2005 looks to be another record-setting year.

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It's not about some big conspiracy to keep alternate fuel sources down
by the oil industry, though that is a part of it. It's about the fact that
no other resource could be shipped as easily as gasoline is because the
gasoline industry grew as the country did and it slowly became the main
resource for powering automobiles. That can't just change over night, we
need to completely change the entire system which took decades to build
if we want to change our source of fuel.

.opt

Uh that gas in the US that can supply us for 30 years. Does this include the supposed reserves in Alaska that are in like a national park or wildlife reserve or whatever it is? 'Cause I'd be one of the people that think it shameful to tear apart a forest to suit our needs. We're doing enough of that already (humans in general that is)

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Gasoline is getting its rediculous marks today over in the great state of Arizona. I'm seeing gas prices reaching as high as $3.30 a galon and nothing is being said about other than, "Hey look at this, gas is going up." But I want to know why. Gas isnt being depleted, yet the prices are going through the roofs. It seems too illogical to claim the source of this problem being on greed, but I'm not denying the fact that it could. Perhaps it has to do with Katrina, who the hell knows, because I sure as hell dont. I was even hearing in a conversation that on the east coast (people who live on the east coast, correct me if I'm wrong) are getting it worse than we are ($3.30 is us).

Im in a daze; I have to now set a budget of gasoline, not to mention my highschool education, meaning I cant sustain a full time job on this. This is serious bullocks!

Nevertheless, with the combination of these gas prices and Katrina, could I be wrong into sensing a inflation and the next recession in the future?

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in connecticut we got some a high as like 4 or 5 dollars i think.

I'm pretty sure corn ethanol pollutes more than regular gasoline. however, biodiesel made from soy or sawgrass is a much more viable and eco-friendly option. corn ethanol is mostly used to prop up corn farmers in the midwest. it's Cloud No 9's farm subsidies again. :D

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Originally Posted by blackline77

you guys think 3.50 is alot down here in texas its gotten up to 6.07$ a gallon i swear.
its crazy.

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I'm still seeing prices in the $2.80s, here in the southwest part of Fort Worth. Other parts of the city are in the $2.60s still. Nothing more than the $3.10s.

And yes, the free market will work this out eventually. I think the government is cutting through a lot of the red tape that holds up the building of refineries, so within a year and a half or so, when new refineries are built and the old ones are repaired, prices will go down.

maybe

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Originally Posted by Kirobaito

I'm still seeing prices in the $2.80s, here in the southwest part of Fort Worth. Other parts of the city are in the $2.60s still. Nothing more than the $3.10s.

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Then you're either lying or blind. I was in Ft. Worth less than a week ago and the lowest I saw was $3.22.

What I don't get is why people keep buying it...well actually I do, I just wish they'd see and stop...but no, they won't...and you know what? That's awesome, because while the rest of you are bitching about how high gas is and continuing to buy it I'm laughing at all of you hoping it continues to rise. I hope it's $20.00 a gallon by next month.

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I'm still seeing prices in the $2.80s, here in the southwest part of Fort Worth. Other parts of the city are in the $2.60s still. Nothing more than the $3.10s.

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Then you're either lying or blind. I was in Ft. Worth less than a week ago and the lowest I saw was $3.22.

What I don't get is why people keep buying it...well actually I do, I just wish they'd see and stop...but no, they won't...and you know what? That's awesome, because while the rest of you are bitching about how high gas is and continuing to buy it I'm laughing at all of you hoping it continues to rise. I hope it's $20.00 a gallon by next month.

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Don't try to tell me what I see and don't see. The Conoco on Cleburne road was $2.69, according to what I saw today. The Diamond Shamrock on Altamesa was $2.87 yesterday. Sack & Save, three minutes from where I live, was $2.88 on my way to school this morning.

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Originally Posted by DMKA

What I don't get is why people keep buying it...well actually I do, I just wish they'd see and stop...but no, they won't...and you know what? That's awesome, because while the rest of you are bitching about how high gas is and continuing to buy it I'm laughing at all of you hoping it continues to rise. I hope it's $20.00 a gallon by next month.

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I'll take it as this post is a joke. Oil makes the world go round, mac, and as much as you would like to know, you wont be laughing at me when gas gets up to $20.00 because you aint gonna make the visit to my house to do that.

And if you do, that's stupid

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I'll take it as this post is a joke. Oil makes the world go round, mac, and as much as you would like to know, you wont be laughing at me when gas gets up to $20.00 because you aint gonna make the visit to my house to do that.

And if you do, that's stupid

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MONEY makes the world go round. And business. We could easily stop buying the stuff and make our government get their asses in gear. We have the power. What ever happened to the USA? Our heart ideals? What ever happened to people like those responsible for the Boston Tea Party? Why do people just bend over and take what the government shoves up their asses now? Well I won't, thanks. You keep on telling yourself what you are and keep buying your gas, and I'll just laugh harder at you while I continue to not buy it. That (what you're saying and doing), in my opinion, is stupidity my friend. :D

Oh and KB, if that's the case, you need your head checked. Seriously.

I'm with KB on this one:

http://www.texasgasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=D

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Originally Posted by Endless

I'm with KB on this one:

http://www.texasgasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=D

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Is Ft. Worth on that list? No it isn't.

Oh, my bad :rolleyes2

http://www.fortworthgasprices.com/

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Oh, my bad :rolleyes2

http://www.fortworthgasprices.com/

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Well that's been not updated in a timely manner or is just plain false.

Gas prices have gone down and they can change pretty radically in less than a week's time. It's in the $2.80's and $2.70's here in West Texas, too. So how about taking the word of the people who actually live there, hmm?

And now I kill you all for luring me into this forsaken section of the forum.

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Oh, my bad :rolleyes2

http://www.fortworthgasprices.com/

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Well that's false then.

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*cough*bullsh*t*cough* You can also try http://www.gaspricewatch.com/new/default.asp and search for prices in Ft Worth in the past 8 hours. I'll save you the effort, the two prices updated in the past 8 hours were $2.89 and $2.99.

Rule #1 of sore losers: When shown evidence proving you wrong, reject it as bogus.

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Oh, my bad :rolleyes2

http://www.fortworthgasprices.com/

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Well that's false then.

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*cough*bullsh*t*cough* You can also try http://www.gaspricewatch.com/new/default.asp and search for prices in Ft Worth in the past 8 hours. I'll save you the effort, the two prices updated in the past 8 hours were $2.89 and $2.99.

Rule #1 of sore losers: When shown evidence proving you wrong, reject it as bogus.

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Sore losers? If you mean yourself, it's ok...you'll win someday. :)

Because 3 hours ago isn't timely enough.

.opt

Right, because we have no idea whatsoever how much gas is in our own towns.

:rolleyes2

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Right, because we have no idea whatsoever how much gas is in our own towns.

:rolleyes2

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I didn't say you don't, but KB lies on regular occassions to add to his superiority complex, just so you know (why he has such a complex is beyond me). Perhaps (and I stress that perhaps) Ft. Worth gas prices have dropped, but I seriously doubt that.

From two different price watching sources, I just proved you were wrong. All you've shown is that you need to insult KB ("you're either lying or crazy" "you need to have your head checked") or reject evidence when it slaps you in the face ("it must be false" "not timely updated"). Your attempt to "turn" the tide by making yourself think you're so great for riling up people to disgree with you and prove you wrong is nothing more than delusion.

Maybe, but there were links showing gas prices in Ft. Worth to be as low as he said, and 11:22 pm isn't really all that untimely. =P

Anyway, it is going down. Probably not back down to a buck thirty or anything, but still

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Originally Posted by Endless

From two different price watching sources, I just proved you were wrong. All you've shown is that you need to insult KB ("you're either lying or crazy" "you need to have your head checked") or reject evidence when it slaps you in the face ("it must be false" "not timely updated"). Your attempt to "turn" the tide by making yourself think you're so great for riling up people to disgree with you and prove you wrong is nothing more than delusion.

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1. Read my post and quit ignoring them even after I correct myself.
2. You haven't proved me wrong. You already called yourself a sore loser, remember?

Anyway, you aren't worth arguing with anymore and I'd rather not get an EoEO ban, so I'll let you go on your marry way thinking what you will and such...and laugh at you some more.

Delusion.

Yay for constructive debate.