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I am Christian and proud of it
Pastafarian. All Hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Lord of Creation!
Technically I'm Catholic, but catholocism is rarely something you choose- you're born into it, and there's almost no way of getting out of it.
My religion is Cidism.
Am I a member of a particular religion and do I practice their beliefs? No.
btw I am protestant :D
Nope.
Nope. I'm above peer pressure.
Well I'm assuming since millions follow a belief of sorts, then I'd think someone other than you have a religion...
And hello Christian, how are you? Are you proud of your name?
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I do not have a religion, but I feel that people who want to believe in something (as long as it isn't something that threatens me) can do as they please. But i don't see why you have to say you are proud of being a Christian when effectively, you should NEVER be un-proud of your faith. Doing such makes you rather un-Christian in my thinking.
No one should be shamed of their faith. That's why I say happily that I have no faith. Because it's what I believe.
Not really. More of eclectic personal beliefs.
I don't take part in religion, but I'm not atheist.
I wasn't pressured into being Christian for your infoQuote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
I dont believe in anything, so Im pretty much an atheist.........
WWFSMD?
I guess I chose Cidism because it rocks.
Im not sure. I dont belive in anything apart from Reincarnation.
I'm a christian...but i haven't went to chruch in a long time.
Just like the mob.Quote:
Originally Posted by Traitorfish
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Originally Posted by Seymour_Guado_Goth
Somebody had to talk you into it, if you are a protestant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seymour_Guado_Goth
I am a follower of General Zod.
EDIT: KNEEL
I compared it with other religions and atheism. And I learned more about Christianity and history of events that happened in the Bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
Then, you are one out of a billion. Seriously, most Christians know nothing of their own religion. Though, how you can stomach being apart of that faith is beyond me. Kudos for doing research., though. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Seymour_Guado_Goth
Maybe you should do the same.....and maybe you wouldn't make such ignorant remarks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
OMG seymour guado goth knows what hes talkin about when it comes to christianity trust me :) so dont be so rude to him eitha! :O
Thanks for supporting me ^_^
Right... Cause obviously I would talk smack about people not doing research, because I've done none myself. Did you even think before you posted or did you immediately go on the defensive. I say I have problems with your religion and that makes me ignorant. Good job. :rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by Seymour_Guado_Goth
Like sheep heading to the slaughter. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by PrincessYuna
No I just can't see how you can say it's beyond you that I am Christian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
Sacrifices?
Well, the mob are all catholic, right? But they're Italian, rather than Scottish-Irish...Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowtheninja
Has anyone ever seen Dara O'Brian, that most terrible genius of comdey? I saw one of his shows once, and he was talking about catholocism, which all catholic comedians do. Billy Connoly... err... Dara O'Brian... err... Billy Connoly?
Anyway, it went along the lines of explaining that you can never really leave catholocism, and 'Even if you joined the Taliban, you'd just be regared as [mock serious voice]a bad catholic[/mock serious voice].' It's actually funny in real life, I swear.
Like you, I've done extensive research on Christianity and found a great deal of things I did not like. I stated this, nothing more. Even gave you kudos for actually making your own decision, rather than being talked into one. Why having an opinion makes me ignorant is beyond me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seymour_Guado_Goth
And I was just referring to the fact that someone would jump to your rescue, like a mindless zombie, at the first person to give their real opinion of your faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seymour_Guado_Goth
Well that's you. Being in Christianity makes me happy. And you should know that your opinion would provoke a debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
???
Actually, it shouldn't cause a debate. Asking a question and getting an answer is by no means justifications for trying to defend your own opinion. People will think differently from you. Lots of people actually. You best get used to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seymour_Guado_Goth
I haveQuote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
Just when i was about to leave this enticing form of entertainment surfaced…man I love you guys. :lol:
Kudos to seymour and autumn for such delightful fun.
Erm.. Glad my annoyance could entertain you. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by shadowtheninja
No, actually, it wouldn't be. Reincartnation is simply part of Buddhism, and there are many other parts that Zelda did not claim to believe in. That's like someone saying 'I beleive in God' and someone else saying 'So you're Christian, then?'. Other religions, like Hindu and Shinto, as well as man other minor religions, have similar ideas on reincarnation.Quote:
Originally Posted by call me Karl with a K
What questions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Traitorfish
I edited that because I realised it made no sense, and that I sounded like a prat... Sorry.
Okay......*runs away*Quote:
Originally Posted by Traitorfish
Agnostic.
I think Traitorfish meant you should keep an open-mind and not dismiss other opinions as "ignorant". At least, I hope that's what he meant. :p
Well it depends what you call open-minded. Goodnight peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
Understand that other people may not believe the way you do, then agree to disagree. Goodnight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seymour_Guado_Goth
I'm not anything? I don't believe in God... or anything. xD :love:
I identify as Christian, but I have to admit that if we went down the list of what makes a Christian I probably wouldn't fit into most people's definitions.
I'm a rebel following my own rules. *flex*
Jedi.........seriously.
You mean Final Fantasy isn't a religion?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...te-Day-2k5.jpg
ALL HAIL THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!
I'm Christian.
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Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
I'm with Autumn rain on this one.... I read the bible...cover to cover more than once... Didn't buy it.... I believe what I believe ... No one has said that you were wrong for being Christian.....
I have no want or need for religion. There is one thing I have faith and believe in, and that's myself. (and I didn't even need an epiphany!)
I agree. It's perfectly alright to discuss your beliefs with them, but don't insult members of a particular religion by saying they were "pressured" into it, or that they don't know anything about it, or comparing members of that religion to "mindless zombies", or disagreeing with the very core values of that religion...etc. etc. etc. You may actually learn something you don't hate -- or is that why you don't listen, because that may happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
Oh my, I'm agreeing with Psychotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
I think I'll sit this one out. Enough people hate me already. :)
Good job. You quoted me saying to accept other's beliefs, then add things I said completely out of context, to make me sound like a asshole. Two hours after it ended, at that. Congrats.. You've done nothing but prove yourself to be a dick. Awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
I believe in a thing called love!!!
<3 the Darkness
But ja, mostly Christian with a pinch of Buddism and a dab of paganism thrown in for spice.
How so? I'm protestant and it's because my family is. I went to church with my family.Therefore I went to a protestant church.Quote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
I should clean that up a bit, because that that's not really what I meant. But, at some point, either you were influenced by someone (family, friend) .. Or someone convinced you that it was what you needed. This is not always the case, but 90% of the time.. It is. Very few Christians actually research what their faith believes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Escobert
Which was my entire point. Once I did research, I didn't like what I found. That's my opinion. Gave him kudos for doing research. I left it at that.
I swear, you people have all these opinions about things that you don't agree with.. But, if someone states that actually dislike what your religion stands for, you know.. have an opinion, you get all uppity. My opinion doesn't have a damn thing to do with you, so don't act like I personally attacked you.
It wasn't that difficult, really. I just quoted things you said, put 'em all in one post...one end result. Sorry if you don't like it. And it was two hours later...it's a forum, it doesn't really matter much. If it was a chat room, then you'd have a decent point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
It's called converting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
*high five*Quote:
Originally Posted by Jess
Even if you're converted you should still do the job of learning what the religion is really about. Which is entirely his point, that most people who follow a religion know little about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
Yes, it does matter. In context, I actually stated valid things or gave an opinion. Your post makes it sounds like I attacked you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
Only a complete moron would make life decisions, based on what someone tells them, with no research of their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
Most people believe what they're taught (typically by their parents), whether it's religion or politics or whatever, without even the consideration that its possible to believe other things, without analyzing the reasons or fundamentals of such a belief, etc.
No, I don't. :)
EDIT: To clarify, I was raised up Christian, but I just don't believe in it. I don't particularly like religon, but that's my opinion.
No. Not me. Just my religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
And that's why it's extremely rare that somebody converts without reading any of the particular religion's texts. I've never met somebody who became a Christian -- or anything -- without looking into it at all. Yes, if somebody was to make a serious life decision based solely on a few words from somebody they don't know, I would say they're...well, pretty close to "a complete moron".Quote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
That hasn't been my experience. :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
Have you ever BEEN to a church? Somehow I doubt everyone in your church and all of your Christian friends did actual research into it, before converting. And based on that response, I doubt you did either. Not being insulting, just making an observation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
I don't see how you could possibly come to that conclusion. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
Mostly, making a observation about how defensive he is over the fact that people actually dislike his religion. I don't know. It's been a long day. I barely know what I'm saying right now. I'm just gonna drop this, cause it's not worth arguing over something so stupid. Especially, when I'm this tired.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
I did plenty of research into a LOT of religions, before "settling down" into a nice little celtic Goddess-worshipping faith. And most people I know, who convert, to ANY religion, do so with a better knowlege of the faith than those who were born into it seem to.
Exception being those "recovering alcoholics/drug abusers/convicts" that seem to have no idea what the hell they're talking about. But, I suppose, if it keeps them on the strait and narrow, we can afford to leave them to their ignorance.
I am a member of the United Methodist Church.
This thread is my religion now.
Is LOL Jesus considered a religion?
Agnostic, thanks. =]
It's a pillar of LOL Christianity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rye
I'm oh my lord, fully catholic. I love the ppl at my church too, in our little town are all nice and a tightknit group for the most part. :)
Converting isn't (or shouldn't be) a forced process. It's more along the lines of: presenting a system of beliefs to someone and them choosing to accept it. There's no forcing involved...Quote:
Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
I am a Christian. I've looked at many other religions and studied much of their core principals, but Christianity provides a definite basis of truth, an accurate representation of both the physical and spiritual, and a strong hope coming from faith in Jesus. (and many other reasons, too many to list here)
I was raised Christian, but I'm atheist now.
I have gone to Church my entire life, but I've only been Christian for about 4 years.
People don't convert non-believers, God does.
I'm a Christian :) And I agree with KB, people don't convert non-believers, God does.
Very true. :)
Not a religion person myself.
sometimes I think about converting from Metric to Imperial but I don't have the moxy
I lol'd, but I can't figure out if that was the intention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirobaito
I'm a non-denominational Christian. Yes, I have researched into my faith.
Damn, I missed the boat…
I found an interesting poem that pretty much sums up my thoughts on organized religion…
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THE BROAD-BACKED hippopotamus
Rests on his belly in the mud;
Although he seems so firm to us
He is merely flesh and blood.
Flesh and blood is weak and frail,
Susceptible to nervous shock;
While the True Church can never fail
For it is based upon a rock.
The hippo’s feeble steps may err
In compassing material ends,
While the True Church need never stir
To gather in its dividends.
The ’potamus can never reach
The mango on the mango-tree;
But fruits of pomegranate and peach
Refresh the Church from over sea.
At mating time the hippo’s voice
Betrays inflexions hoarse and odd,
But every week we hear rejoice
The Church, at being one with God.
The hippopotamus’s day
Is passed in sleep; at night he hunts;
God works in a mysterious way—
The Church can sleep and feed at once.
I saw the ’potamus take wing
Ascending from the damp savannas,
And quiring angels round him sing
The praise of God, in loud hosannas.
Blood of the Lamb shall wash him clean
And him shall heavenly arms enfold,
Among the saints he shall be seen
Performing on a harp of gold.
He shall be washed as white as snow,
By all the martyr’d virgins kist,
While the True Church remains below
Wrapt in the old miasmal mist.
T.S Eliot
wish I could say something about religions but after studing most of them they all have parts that trace to another, so I don't know, I just pray to God, that's all.
That sounds like what I would say, and I kinda settled into the Wicca or Celtic some whould call it. ^^ It's more calming and a religion that actually helps me relieve stress and clean out my aura.Quote:
Originally Posted by udsuna
I'm a certified Bobbian, we have our own language and everything! :D nah, i wont joke about religion, i think thats slack. I dont have a religion, cause my mother is against most churchs, and tis hard to believe the hold she has on me.
mostly wiccan, part atheist, part agnostic.
Yeah, just a bunch of stuff I ended up believing. It's not an organized system of beliefs or anything.
If this were EotW I would have started handing out bans.
But in any case, Autumn Rain knock it off, we don't tolerate personal attacks here.
And as far as religion goes, I'm nonreligious, but I do believe in a higher, benevolent power.
What the smurf? When did I attack anyone? All I did was defend my stance, after other people jumped on my back for disliking their religion. If having an opinion is ban-worthy, let me know so I can find a new forum.
I hate gays so yeah, I guess you could say I'm a Christian.
Just a question, if there was a God, then why is there so much suffering in the world. Why does he let this go on.
Also, People believe God is a good person, but hes the one thats saying that if you dont worship me you will get an eternity of pain in hell.
God, IMO, sounds like the bad guy........
This makes me believe there is no God, And even if there was, I'd never worship him.
I think people choose to believe in God because they are scared of death, and want to believe something is beyond death, and have dillusioned themselves into thinking there is......
lolzQuote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
Me too! Me too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Seymour_Guado_Goth
Actually, I'd very much prefer it if I no one mention that Christianity is stupid. It's not.
And also, religion is not a personal preference. It's fact.
Just so you know, I'm not going against any of the answers of the others, this is my opinion. Hey, that's the point of forums, ne?
This is a personal request from me to everyone: Please show as much restraint as possible when tearing hisoka*maehara a new one, which I know is coming. It's too easy and I fear there will be some sort of explosion.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Not going here. I'll get banned. ;)
Besides... I'm sure that he did plenty of research to come up with that post. I just KNOW IT. :rolleyes2
Since Autumn Rain has been accused of attacking people I hope he doesn't mind me speaking up for him, but I think it's safe to say you just repeated what he said.
God knows, I don't mind. I'm just lost on the whole matter. Especially so many hours later. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
Oh no, so sorry! My brother posted that one there while i was in the bathroom! Darn my brother! He's plain annoying.
Ummm... k. o__O
i consider myself a wiccan.
i respect other religions ans would never dream of questioning anothers belief. also if you don't want to believe there is a god up there (there are thousands!) thats okies too
^____^ i'm just laid back me ! :D
I will respect most peoples opinions in regards to religion so long as they can show me that their beliefs are backed up with intelligence. If you believe in god 'cos that's how mamma raised you, then I feel that your faith deserves no respect.
Nobody's taking offense to you not liking their religion. It's the blatant disrespect, misinterpretations, insults, and outright lies about it that nobody takes kindly to. That goes for any religion, I'd imagine, not just us ignorant Christians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
Actually, He's perfect, and we'd have to be perfect to be in His presence. So He's saying hey, nobody deserves to go to Heaven (and thus does deserve to go to the only alternative, Hell), but through Jesus, you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreddz
And to defend hisoka*maehara ... That's his/her belief, and it's good that they're strong in it. But there are better ways to come across with it, you know?
After reading this post... I actually started to wonder what the crap a wiccan was. xD Even though its been said lots and lots in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by boris no no
So, anyone wish to enlighten me? :D
And, like boris, even though I don't have a particular religion, I respect that other people have beliefs and such.
But, mostly, people's religions don't bother me. They can believe in whatever, as long as they don't try and get me to follow what they believe in. :D
I considered reading about Wicca in high school, but, as a brilliant friend of mine said, "I don't think I could bear saying those dorky rhymes."
It's more-or-less witchcraft, though not the Halloween type. It does involve magic, though. I really don't know much else about it beyond that.
I blamed Charmed for this...
make a poll! n-e-ways, i'm not a pastor, but i'm a Christian
...though not hardcore...
I am atheist, but only because himism is not a religion.....maybe my draem will come true one day :greenie:
Catholic
I have no religion! All religions are wrong anyway. It doesn't say God made giant liazard things (dinosaurs) It doesn't even mention anything about dinosaurs, it says he made humans first. Yeah, what ever you say. I don't care though, if people want to worship something, go for it. lol.
Only when I feel like putting off work.
Yeah like: "I can't do it, I have to go to church and pray". :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Neel With A Hat
*... Dies*
Was raised as a catholic (kindna), but there were too many things that bugged me about it. I don't follow any religion, don't need anyone telling me how I'm supposed to live my live. I just simply believe in God, don't care if you call him Budha, Shiva, Jesus or whatewer.
To be fair, Dinosaurs pre-date the bible by approximately 65,000,000 years, so it's hardly the fault of the ancient Israelites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loudez
Anyway, it doesn't explicitly say that he didn't create dinosaurs- it makes no mention of most animals, but fundamentalists don't dent the existence of sloths or kangaroos!
The whole creation story is a complex metaphor, and is not be taken literally. The idea is that humans have been placed on the eath as the dominant species (hence 'made in God's image'), and have the power to control almost any animal. The whole apple dealy is about human nature- basically, we've got this really nice set-up, but we're such greedy, arrogant smeg-heads, that we screw it up and ruin it for everyone. The Garden of Eden actually represents the world, but humans screw everything up by being jack-asses, and make a mess of the whole damn thing.
Basically, it was the ancient Hebrews trying to explain to each other why the world was (and is) such a godawful mess.
But, Creationism is still stupid, narrow-minede and wrong. I've nothing against religion, but those guys are just arrogant jerks.
Tell that to the thousands of theists who actually believe Adam and Eve were the first humans, created less than 6,000 years ago.Quote:
The whole creation story is a complex metaphor, and is not be taken literally. The idea is that humans have been placed on the eath as the dominant species (hence 'made in God's image'), and have the power to control almost any animal. The whole apple dealy is about human nature- basically, we've got this really nice set-up, but we're such greedy, arrogant smeg-heads, that we screw it up and ruin it for everyone. The Garden of Eden actually represents the world, but humans screw everything up by being jack-asses, and make a mess of the whole damn thing.
I can't understand why people believe in God or whatever you wanna call him, it. People do take it literally though. In my opinion, only weak minded people follow religions. But, I am wrong in most cases. I don't really know everything about religion, so It probably isn't my place to say anything unless I have all the info I need.
Christian! Nazarene.
Yeah, OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
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Do you have any with you?
Why does the fanatical, unquestioning beleif of these people make my point less valid? I've actually tried to interprate the stories of the bible, and make somes sense of them. It's not my fault that certain others find that idea offensive.
*wins*Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye
Actually, there are several references in the Bible to what we call "dinosaurs", and Creation Science -- which many people disagree with because it doesn't support Evolutionism -- has found evidence that greatly supports a Young-Earth theory of Intelligent Design. Evolutionism (the "ism" is because yes, it is a religion) was a huge test of my faith, but I've researched both sides for years, instead of just buying every line they tried to feed me in public school. But then, people would have to have an open mind to consider such evidence, and as we see with some of the people in this thread, some think they're right to the point that nobody should question them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loudez
How many people have gotten banned for much less than this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Traitorfish
Dude, Dinosaurs are a myth. They are a lie conceived by communist left and the evil liberals to decieve people into believing in absurd concepts like science. The whole liberal agenda is one that focuses solely on the removal of god from society. Everything they do is a means to acheive that sinister goal. Believers be on gaurd... the liberals are here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loudez
I did the wiccan thing in high school. I liked it very much, but I didn't get "into" it 'cause I was put off by all the other "witches" in high school acting like gothtards. And when I cast a spell it worked a little too well. Srsly. o.O
And who are you, oh mighty one, to show anyone any disrespect?Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
Not to say you have, but that statement implies that you would find it somehow justified to do so.We're working on it. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
And the Bible doesn't say God made humans first. It says He made them last, actually.
Do we have a "bangs head against the wall" smilie here? *checks*Quote:
Evolutionism (the "ism" is because yes, it is a religion)
No, apparently not. But this adequately portrays the frustration of logic: :weep:
Higher power...past/present/future intervention and application of that power...an incredible amount of faith...sounds like a religion to me. It doesn't have to be organized to be a religion.
When you say something is fact, that's not an opinion, just to let you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by hisoka*maehara
Now where is my list of the seven requirements for something to be a religion... Evolution doesn't fit it, I can tell you that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
That said, how do you tell the difference between science and religion? Is geology a religion for rock heads?
You missed the part about them constantly whining about Bush destroying the Universe or whatever the heck it is he's being accused of these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
I don't see how the hell that applies to evolution, which is based solely on empirical evidence. Microevolution is a fact - something conceded even by the most retarded fundamentalists - and macro is merely micro + time. Hell, we've witnessed speciation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
I don't see what "faith" evolution requires, other than the shocking idea that what naturally happens now also happened naturally thousands of years ago.
Just the fact that this conversation is necessary is revolting.
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Haha. You made this thread officially worth-while with that comment. :DQuote:
That said, how do you tell the difference between science and religion? Is geology a religion for rock heads?
My name is Fred Phelps, thank you very much.Quote:
And who are you, oh mighty one, to show anyone any disrespect?
Not to say you have, but that statement implies that you would find it somehow justified to do so.
I didn't insult another user, or show predjudice against another group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
I stated a series of veiws, all of which can be fully explained as serious opinions, and not simply insults.
When I say stupid, I mean they fail to understand simple scientific fact. When I say narrow-minded, I mean a complete refusal to accept other's veiwpoints. When I say arrogant, I mean, well, arrogant. When I say wrong, I mean they have no right to force their contradictory, unproven ideas down everyone elses throat.
OK?
EDIT:Completely true. Evolution is a scientific theory, and, like all scientific theories, lies on a basis of facts and proof. The very opposite of waht faith taditionally entails- unquestioning beleif.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
They bitch about Bush because he is a man of god. The liberals know that men of god are what will ultimately be their undoing, so they do whatever it takes to get rid of them, but to no avail! The lord hath spoken, and he hath spoken loudly!Quote:
You missed the part about them constantly whining about Bush destroying the Universe or whatever the heck it is he's being accused of these days.
You don't see how a belief in Evolution requires faith? How about the fact that hardly any aspect of it has been proven? Microevolution is fact, true, but that's changes within a species. However, one species changing to another -- or even higher branches -- has never been proven to be possible. Not to mention there are piles of evidence aganist the idea of the earth being billions of years old, and moer evidence discounitng the "proof" that the earth must be old.
Jesus existed. He's documented in Roman law. The story about him claiming to be the Son of God and being crucified? That's in the books. But believing Evolutionism is the same as making the link between Jesus existing and believing in Christianity, both require faith.
You just insulted an entire group of people. How is calling an idea "stupid, narrow-minded and wrong", and the people that believe it "just arrogant jerks" not an insult?Quote:
Originally Posted by Traitorfish
Fail to understand simple scientific fact...refusal to accept others' viewpoints...arrogant...and no right to force their contradictory, unproven ideas down everybody else's throat? SOUNDS LIKE EVOLUTIONISM, SLICK.
But see, the difference with that is it's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
Err... No, actually. There is no real, scientific proof for the existence of God, while there is large amounts of proof for evolution. And any evidence to suggest that the earth is not billions of years old is most likely flawed- almost all modern scientists accept the idea that the earth is billions of years old, even if the precise age is still unknown. The only ones who disagree with that are neo-evangelists, and they are noted for their skewed veiws of the universe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
EDIT: Any scientist will admit that proof of evolution is imperfect, but that is because of the inherent nature of paelontology- fossils are, basically, pretty rare. They tend to be destroyed long before we find them, so we don't get the complete set. But, there is no other explanation that has even as much proof as evolution, let alone as much general recognition as a major, or even credibe, theory.
You just said "hardly any aspect of evolution has been proven, though the entire fundamental premise of evolution is fact."Quote:
You don't see how a belief in Evolution requires faith? How about the fact that hardly any aspect of it has been proven? Microevolution is fact, true, but that's changes within a species.
The premise of Evolution is micro-evolution. Which is true. The problem is that Evolutionists try to use it to explain macro-evolution, and it just doesn't work.
I'm an Evolutionist.
My god is Evolutio the Destroyer. Bow before his All-Mighty Flaming Nostrils.
aha! But what the liberals don't see is the obvious flaw in this argument!! You see, evolution, like gravity is a theory and therefore it cannot be considered to be valid in any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil liberals
Elaborate, please. From what I've heard, the evolutionary theory is almost flawless when it comes to the fundamental ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
Holy crap, if random mutations and natural selection can make changes within a generation...if a population is split for some reason (natural disaster, migration, etc.), the two new populations could eventually become so different as to be unable to breed, and become completely different species!
We've also witnessed speciation. Oh, and there is no definite line where "macroevolution" starts. It's scientifically defined as "changes [microevolution] to a population over time." So microevolution logically entails macro.
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HahahahahahahahahahaQuote:
I'm an Evolutionist.
My god is Evolutio the Destroyer. Bow before his All-Mighty Flaming Nostrils.
What liberals refuse to see is that there IS evidence supporting a theory of Intelligent Design. And WHO is closed-minded?
And if you can believe that every population has split enough, and stayed apart long enough, to produce the millions upon millions of species we have on this planet...well then, I guess Evolutionism is perfect for you. There's no way of explaining Evolution without using "if this, and if that, and if this, then maybe, possibly, this or that could happen."Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
And macroevolution is changing from one species to another. That's the line. But not only is microevolution not that fast, it would require many billion years, not just the one billion or so "scientists" speculate the earth's been able to sustain life.
True, they are theories but:Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
1. They have a large amount of evidence to support them
2. There is no other theory that can even come close to explaining what they do.
While creationism, on the other hand:
1. Has no real, scientific proof
2. Is based upon the stories of a nomadic desert people
3. Pre-dates iron-working (i.e. is outdated)
4. Is not generally accepted by scientists as a credible scientific theory
Thank god someone sane minded conservative has realized this! There is evidence to support intelligent design, and evolution is a theory, therefore intelligent design holds more weight than evolution. It says so DIRECTLY in the bible, but you dirty liberals shun that text of gospel truth!!!Quote:
What liberals refuse to see is that there IS evidence supporting a theory of Intelligent Design. And WHO is closed-minded?
XDDDDDQuote:
Dude, Dinosaurs are a myth. They are a lie conceived by communist left and the evil liberals to decieve people into believing in absurd concepts like science. The whole liberal agenda is one that focuses solely on the removal of god from society. Everything they do is a means to acheive that sinister goal. Believers be on gaurd... the liberals are here.
I knew there was something they weren't telling me in kindergarten.
See, this is the thing with closed minded liberals like yourself! You present your argument as if I had to actually listen to you. I'm not listening to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Traitorfish
Gosh, and there was me thinking it was because they have no tolerance for other people's opinions and views (unless they're a minority group because their opinions are always infinitely better than those of the majority!) despite preaching that they do and that they're better people because of it. But now I know it's all because they're anti-god and not because they're hypocrites. Y'learn something every day at Eyes on FF!Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
Actually, no, there isn't any proof, at least in a scientific sense. Maybe philosophically, but that is different altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
I would also like to question why liberalism and conservatism have entered the argument- they are almost entirely un-related to the philosophical and scientific core of this argument.
One question:
But, by your standards, creationism has only evidence, not conclusive proof, just as evolutionism does. This makes absolutely no sense. Hypocrit.Quote:
There is evidence to support intelligent design, and evolution is a theory, therefore intelligent design holds more weight than evolution.
Why do only right-wingers say that? You don't see socialists yelling 'God is against the holy teachings of Das Kapital! Heretic!'Quote:
It says so DIRECTLY in the bible, but you dirty liberals shun that text of gospel truth!!![/
The Bible is over 2,000 years old, and has suffered numerous re-writings (don't say 'in your opinion' because that is an historical fact), so is not, actually, a credible guide to the universe.
It also says, for example, that the world is flat. Do you think so?
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'Close-minded liberals'? Did you know that Websters includes the definition for liberal 'Not narrow or contracted in mind'.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
Besides, you over-zealous defense of an obviously flawed concept is far more 'close-minded'.
Psy, you're getting "liberal" and "democrat" confused...alot of people tend to lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
This would be an instant EoEO ban had it been posted there; outside of that forum, however, there isn't much we can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
I believe in God. I don't believe in strict literal interpretations of the Bible, though.
1. There is quite a bit of evidence to support Creationism and disprove Evolutionism. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it's not out there. Neither theory has any real, scientific proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Traitorfish
2. Funny, I didn't know the Greeks, Romans, and Isrealis were nomads.
3. It's thousands of years old, and hasn't needed to be changed. Because it hasn't been disproven. More than you can say for nearly every theory of Evolutionism.
4. Because most "science" can't accept the idea that there might be a "supernatural power" of some sort controlling anything.
Traitorfish: Nit0tine is being sarcastic. I'm surpr......well, no, I'm not really surprised you haven't realized that. But just to let you know, he's mocking his idea of...whatever the hell he's trying to mock.
So do most people who label themselves liberal, so I just go with the flow.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMKA
1. Like what? DOnt say 'Bible'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
2. Then your ignorant- the Israelis were nomadic for millenia before settling down. The Greeks and Romans only adopted Christianty later- they had their own, even more absurd, creation theories.
3. Err... Yeah it does. It claims that the earth is flat, the sky is water, and that the stars are trap-doors opened by angels to let the water (from the sky) in, to make rain. It's WAY off.
4.Science's veiw of 'supenatural power' is irrelevant. I'm not disputing the existence of God, as such, but the scientific basis of creationism. God does not nessecarilly entail Intelligent Design.
Praise be to god.. you have seen the light!Quote:
Gosh, and there was me thinking it was because they have no tolerance for other people's opinions and views (unless they're a minority group because their opinions are always infinitely better than those of the majority!) despite preaching that they do and that they're better people because of it. But now I know it's all because they're anti-god and not because they're hypocrites. Y'learn something every day at Eyes on FF!
As for you traitorfish, you are a traitor to the lord jesus christ. May he smite you with all of his pacifism.
Where's this, then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Traitorfish
1. No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
2. Me either.
3. It's been changed tons of times, and there's tons of different "versions", not to mention it's not even in it's native language anymore, which is cause of being changed drastically.
4. No, Science is based of facts through solid evidence. Religion/creationism is based off blind faith and fear of non exsistence, among other things (no offense, but I'm just using the same bluntness as you're using against Science and Evolution).
I don't believe in either though, so I don't care who kills who.
I don't have one at all never really had I used to question it all the time but I still follow the religion of christianity I just don't believe in anything from it.
God or no god who cares I believe there aint one but it's opinion, I wonder into Philosophy too much to have ever seriously had a religion.
You don't burn people with different beliefs thats just... mean.
:)We can, of course, remind people YET AGAIN that it doesn't cost much to show some basic freakin' respect for other forum members, even where they disagree with their beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hsu
The only reliable way to prevent flames and arguments in a thread like this is for people to remember the basic principle: "If I don't insult others, they'll be less inclined to insult me; I can express disagreement and even disdain without being personal".
I'd hate to see this thread go down the toilet like so many other GC threads; I'd love to see a *positive* discussion of members' religious beliefs.
Sup, 4th Density Beings?
Oooh, err... the BIBLE? The topic of what I said? It's in there. If you want to find it, read the bible. I don't remember exact chapters and verses...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
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No offence was meant to other forum users. I was merely stating my opinion on neo-evangalists and cretaionists, independant of this forum. If any other user was offended, I apologise. But I've been offended too, you know- I consider being called 'close-minded' offensive, as it insults my way of thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big D
Eh, just bored as usual, seeing as there's no one else intellegent enough to converse with around.Quote:
Originally Posted by SomethingBig
If you're a Catholic you do! *zing!*Quote:
You don't burn people with different beliefs thats just... mean.
the Bible just makes me laugh, I found so much violence and sex involved in it I just laugh and attempt to make sense of it.
It's like Mary had a little lamb. It can have so many ways of saying the old rhyme and changing it.
I'm glad I live in modern day because I would be ash if I lived in the 17th century.
1. What? Yes, there is plenty of evidence supporting both sides. They just don't teach you much of anything that goes against Evolutionism.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMKA
2. They weren't.
3. Creationism has never changed. There are different interpretations and languages of the Bible, yes, but they are incredible accurate to the original texts. And, again, Creationism has never changed.
4. You talk like "science" and "religion/Creationism" are mutually exclusive -- they are not. Nowhere near. Too bad all too many people are too ignorant to realize that. Whereas most people believe Creation only because it's part of believing the Bible, many people, as myself, have actually studied it, and know why we believe it.
Actually marry had a little boy child.Quote:
It's like Mary had a little lamb.
Hey, you fascist! I'm a goddam catholic, so why don't you leave us alone! What happened 400 years ago sucked, but it's no reflection on the people of today.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
Protestant killed their fair-share too- Luther was distinctly anti-semitic. But it's in the past. Get over it.
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Originally Posted by nik0tine
errr *runs away*
Holy sheep pwn holy people!
Jesus was just a cool hippy not a son of god, he so cool the jews killed him!
err crap...
Matthew 4:8 implies that the earth is flat. I don't have references for the other verses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
1. Then post it. Just repeating a fact over and over doesn't make it true, despite what our leaders want to have you believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
2. The Jews were nomadic for at least forty years while under the leadership of Moses. For someone who purports to be religious, you demonstrate very little familiarity with your own religion's history.
And he never implied that the Greeks and Romans were nomadic.
4. The problem with this assertion is that an astounding amount of modern science is based off of evolution, so if you deny evolution, then you also deny all the science that is based off of it.
It's times like these I wish I had a "HA HA! I'M USING RELIGION!" picture.
You didn't get it. I was saying you're full of it. Of course, you can't go find evidence to back up your outrageous claims, so I guess it'll end there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Traitorfish
Funny, when did you realize this? It must have been after I was constantly insulted in EotW and banned when I lashed back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big D
I love this thread, it aint serious just basic with a few serious stuff thrown in.
*bah*
the christian religion seems full of subliminal encouragement to violence by what I've read and heard.
YOU TELL HIM SASQUATCH!!Quote:
You didn't get it. I was saying you're full of it. Of course, you can't go find evidence to back up your outrageous claims, so I guess it'll end there.
We are only violent against those who are morally bankrupt, such as abortion doctors, and muslims.Quote:
the christian religion seems full of subliminal encouragement to violence by what I've read and heard.
[q=Lady Whiteadder]Cold is God's way of telling us to burn more catholics![/q]Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
Later
[q=Lady Whiteadder]What was that?[/q]
[q=LordBlackadder]What was what?[/q]
[q=Lady Whiteadder]That noise.[/q]
[q=Lord Blackadder]Noise? Did you hear a noise, Percy?[/q]
[q=Lord Percy]No...[/q]
[q=Lord Blackadder]Good.[/q]
[q=Lord Percy]...apart from that colossal drunken roar.[/q]
[q=Lord Blackadder]Oh, that noise - it's the Catholics next door, I'm afraid. I'll just go and burn them. Back in a minute.[/q]
The point... is that nearly every religion has as history of being nasty to every other religion, usually by setting fire to them. But just because they were nasty in the past, doesn't mean they have to be nasty today. There are plenty of good people in every faith.
[q=Lord Percy][/q][q=Lord Percy][/q]
1. Actually, much evidence supporting creationism comes from theological and philosophical sources, not scientific ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
2. They were. The hebrews were a nomadic, semitic people of the near-east, who settled into cities several millenia BC. Just like the Babylonians, Sumerians and Assyrians (though these people weren't semitic). When the creation story was first told, they were nomadic tribesmen, who hered sheep across the wilderness.
3.Whether on not it has changed means nothing. In fact, it's that very rigid attitude which makes creationism unsucessful. Creationists almost always fail to compromise- they beleive in what's in the bible, and refuse all other theories. While the theory of evolution has been repeatedly updated and addapted for new evidence.
4. You misunderstand. I meant that religion ahd very little inpact on science these days, as the idea of an all powerful sentient God is becoming increasingly difficult to explain.
1. Again, no. If you honestly believe that there is, good for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
3. Yes it has, and again, if it comforts you to tell yourself so, good for you.
4. And everyone else in this thread including you isn't? Is that not your whole central theme in all the posts you've made? I studied the bible and evolution for years (the bible FAR longer), and that's why I don't believe it (or disbelieve it). Same with Evolution.
1) Evolution is just speculation of sciencey-people. We can't confirm that all the evidence to support it is true because we don't have a book written in the past that says it is.
2) Creationism is true. We don't have to have evidence to support that it's true because we have the Bible.
I always believed evolution was creation. I don't eat a wad of Play Doh and spit out a chicken; I make a ball, then a wad, then add a beak and a... thing... and then some other stuff.
God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament (Genesis 1:6-8). This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters. This firmament, if it existed, would have been quite an obstacle to our space program.
The flood covered the highest mountain tops (Mount Everest?) with fifteen cubits to spare (Genesis 7:20). Where did all the water come from? Where did it all go? Why is there no evidence of such a massive flood in the geological record?
When the animals left the ark (Genesis 8:19), what would they have eaten? There would have been no plants after the ground had been submerged for nearly a year. What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have gone extinct. And how did the New World primates or the Australian marsupials find their way back after the flood subsided?
Jacob displays his (and God’s) knowledge of biology by having goats copulate while looking at streaked rods. The result is streaked baby goats (Genesis 30:37). The author of Genesis (God?) believed that genetic characteristics of the offspring are determined by what the parents see at the moment of conception. This is a laughable belief. Ask any animal husbandrist.
My point exactly! It's so freakin' infallible!Quote:
Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
Yes. :pQuote:
How did this sortve crap make it to GC? Do you all have Eoeo bans or something?
What's laughable is how true it is.Quote:
This is a laughable belief. Ask any animal husbandrist.
The thread starter made the thread in GC, and it's EoFF's policy not to move threads from GC to EoEO or vice versa unless the thread creator specifically requests it :monster:Quote:
Originally Posted by Destai
The Vedas are far older than the Bible, actually.
1) Sciencey people? Darwin was 'sciency people'? You should show them more respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
Darwin was a fantastic scientist, and a downight genius.
The Bible is, basically, the folk-tales of stone age hunter-gatheres, dressed up a bit. It made sense 6,000 years ago (actually, the Hebrew creation story is one of the most sensible), but this is now. It's just plain outdated.
2) The Bible is a book. Just a book. Just as 'Origin of the Species' was just a book. Evolutionists admit that, because they've seen it it's made of paper and what-not. You may believ it to be the word of God, I accept that, but personal belief has little or no scientific merit. You need facts. Cold, hard, definite facts.
So, Traitorfish, how's that sarcasm radar coming along? Still in the repair shop? That's too bad. I hear repairs on those can be costly.
If you really wanted, this *could* be interepreted as a metaphor for the way that environment can affect physical characteristics. It used to be a common belief that the location and emotions present during conception and pregnancy influence appearance; this was the "scientific theory" for quite some time, in the distant past. Now, of course, we know about the role of genetics, but it's also true that environmental factors influence development.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Man
Either that, or you need a gospel truth like the bible. One or the other, basically.Quote:
2) You need facts. Cold, hard, definite facts.
You can't just sya 'Bible! I'm right!' You have to admit the shortcomings of your theories, as scientists do.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
Err... What? Laughabley true? I don't really understand, I'm afraid.Quote:
What's laughable is how true it is.Quote:
This is a laughable belief. Ask any animal husbandrist.
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No. You don't. You need facts. The Bible is just the veiws and beliefs of one group of people. Facts are universal and ultimate. What's a fact now, has been and always will be. Whether we know the facts is different. But that's the essence of science! Discovery! Not accepting what you already 'know'.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
If you aren't born again you should be afraid.Quote:
Err... What? Laughabley true? I don't really understand, I'm afraid.
AHEM. *pokes Traitorfish*
Again, what? What are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
:pQuote:
Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
Goddmait! Why does everyone keep doing that? You should show your saracsm, or something. It's hard to pick up tone through text. At least use smileys or something... I stand by what I said, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
Well, -ish...
This thread amuses me. http://fools-gold.org/forum/images/smilies/WA07.gif
I would say that it amuses me as well, but the Bible specifically forbids amusement of any kind.Quote:
This thread amuses me
This thread is my religion.
From now on all my sarcasm will be written in "sandy brown."
wow err thats nice.
Don't burn me as I don't have a religion I just follow one while being a sod and denying it.
If christianity is so violent in the past and the Bible promotes and encourages retro violence then I'm not surpised how messed up the Irish religion fight is.
Don't burn me plz.
OK, and all Raging Against the Machine will be written in bold red.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
Unless it came down already, and isn't there anymore. Which answers your next questionQuote:
Originally Posted by The Man
Where did it come from? How about the seventh layer of our atmosphere? Where'd it go? How about the ocean, for one? (By the way, it's believed that the weight of the water pushed up the earth in different spots, so Everest wasn't as high before the flood.) Where's the evidence? Why are there fossilized sea creatures on top of Mount Everest? Why are they stuck in the ice, many feet below the surface? They weren't put there by climbers.Quote:
The flood covered the highest mountain tops (Mount Everest?) with fifteen cubits to spare (Genesis 7:20). Where did all the water come from? Where did it all go? Why is there no evidence of such a massive flood in the geological record?
The author of Genesis was Moses. And it doesn't mean he believed genetic characteristics are determined by what the parents see at the moment of conception, it means he believed God worked a miracle...in his goats.Quote:
Jacob displays his (and God’s) knowledge of biology by having goats copulate while looking at streaked rods. The result is streaked baby goats (Genesis 30:37). The author of Genesis (God?) believed that genetic characteristics of the offspring are determined by what the parents see at the moment of conception. This is a laughable belief. Ask any animal husbandrist.
I dont get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
It's just a precaution so that people don't get bit by her wit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Destai
You must've sent your brain to the same repair shop Traitorfish's sarcasm radar went to. lolololzQuote:
Originally Posted by Destai
If there's a magical seventh layer of the atmosphere composed entirely of water, then how did the space program get through it without any trouble? Or are you going to theorize that the satellites and moon landings don't really exist? And if it's possible for the entirety of this atmosphere to torrent down and hit Earth, why hasn't it happened again? Oh right. It's a miracle.
There is absolutely no evidence that any of the stuff you theorized actually happened. It's entirely based on faith, and the word of the Bible... which, again, you have to take on faith, because there certainly isn't much scientific evidence pointing towards most of it.
I'm still waiting for this so-called "evidence" on Creationism, and a response to my assertion that Matthew 4:8 implies the Earth is flat.
I thought you said Genesis never became any less true? Hmm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
Actually, there isn't enough water in the ice-caps and the atmosphere for that. Even if all the water on earth was in liquid form, the sea levels would not rise by over half a dozen miles.Quote:
Where did it come from? How about the seventh layer of our atmosphere? Where'd it go? How about the ocean, for one? (By the way, it's believed that the weight of the water pushed up the earth in different spots, so Everest wasn't as high before the flood.) Where's the evidence? Why are there fossilized sea creatures on top of Mount Everest? Why are they stuck in the ice, many feet below the surface? They weren't put there by climbers.Quote:
The flood covered the highest mountain tops (Mount Everest?) with fifteen cubits to spare (Genesis 7:20). Where did all the water come from? Where did it all go? Why is there no evidence of such a massive flood in the geological record?
Besides, Everest fossils are due to continental shift. There is no way that the rock they are buried in could have floated up there. (The fossils pre-date any human activity by a good few hundred million years, so couldn't have been left during the flood.) No amount of water can carry the kind of rock that everest is made from. Rocks, rather patently, do not float.
Actually, no. Moses simply re-wrote existing folk-tales. After all, the creation story pre-dates Moses by thousands of years.Quote:
The author of Genesis was Moses. And it doesn't mean he believed genetic characteristics are determined by what the parents see at the moment of conception, it means he believed God worked a miracle...in his goats.Quote:
Jacob displays his (and God’s) knowledge of biology by having goats copulate while looking at streaked rods. The result is streaked baby goats (Genesis 30:37). The author of Genesis (God?) believed that genetic characteristics of the offspring are determined by what the parents see at the moment of conception. This is a laughable belief. Ask any animal husbandrist.
EDIT: The Flood, like the creation, is a metaphor. It means 'Be good, or God will kick yo' ass, sucka!' Only less annoying, and more God-ish.
HAs anyone noticed that the flood (water) and armageddon (fire) are similar. Traditionally, fire and water are the great cleansers.
I don't have a religion, but is that itself a religion?
What is deemed offensive is very relative. The best we can do is go by our own interpretations. These of course won't be agreed with by everybody. I hope those of you who disagree with them can either respect our judgements and move on, or find another message board that better adheres to your ideologies.