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Here in my country their teaching student's how to make chemical weapons. I so far know how to make Napalm, Mustard gas ,Nitroglycerine and Nerve gas. They believe if more people know how to make and use these chemicals they we can use them in a war or something. (Which is good since Brazil is going through Socailism).
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Sorry, I don't really know where you come from... but unless you're a soldier, this seems twisted.
I'm just a regular student.
Dude, I know how to make all that crap. Of course, I'm from Texas where we're all trigger-happy bastards. What the hell's it really good for? My chosen profession doesn't require violence or hate to advance.
I also like puppies. Shelties and huskies are my favorites.
Where from?
And if you're a student, and not a member of an armed organisation (i.e, an army or a militia), you shouldn't be dealing with stuff like that. That's the whole point of an army - have professionals do the fighting, while others go about their business, and supporting the troops.
Exactly. It doesn't serve any damn purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
They said for us to use these chemicals incase we get attacked by another country.
You say you're from Brazil? Did they give you any specifics on what country might attack you? Honestly, I don't know that much about your country.
Perhaps the United State's since we clearly said we wont pay the debt. And we are going through a Socailist Transaction.
being socialist is nice and america won't attack you for that. neither will they do it for the debt. the debt is legally illegitimate and any good account could see that if you stop paying it it makes no difference as you can't force payment on illegitmate debt.
they taught us how to build a nuke at school. well an atom bomb but from that an h-bomb is fairly simple.
What's illegitimate about it? You loan money, you have to return it. Either do that, or don't take the loan.Quote:
the debt is legally illegitimate
I'm sure many loan sharks and mobsters would differ.Quote:
if you stop paying it it makes no difference as you can't force payment on illegitmate debt.
Anyway, despite his cryptic messages, I gather the guy's Cuban. Now, giving citizens measures to defend themselves in-case all other systems break is a desperate act... it has some good to it (who wouldn't want to know all the military crap?), but the idea that stands behind it is either vile (cannon fodder, anyone?), or desperate.
there is a limit to how much interest can be on loans and how much of a person's/country's income can be extracted to pay for one.
in most countries in debt that debt has been paid of many times over. (the case of nigeria is perfect). they are in something amounting to 600% interest on their debt which they have already paid over a few times.
you can argue illegitimate debt in this instance or if it is starving said/person country by taking a high percentage of income. a good lawyer and accountant would do that for you. but refusing to pay is fine as there is no legal right to take action on that debt. mobsters and loan sharks don't operate within the law so don't count (but then again neither does america).
anyway back on topic. this kind of knowledge is freely available anyway. the complexity's of making stuff like sarin and an atom bomb are what make it stupid to teach it. explosives thought are easy to make and are best for guerilla war.
You take the loan knowing full well the interest is extremely high. People lose their homes and material possesions because they can't pay off loans and mortgages, so why can't it be the same with countries? Yes, 600% is high, but no-one is forcing anyone to take such a loan.Quote:
there is a limit to how much interest can be on loans and how much of a person's/country's income can be extracted to pay for one.
Brazil isn't Cuba. Brazil is the largest nation in South America. Cuba is in the Carribbean.
Anyways, there's a big difference in knowing how to make a something and actually making it. I "know" how to make a gun, but I don't know how to make a gun. You know?
Why won't you pay the debt? Why is it illegitimate? Didn't we give you the money?Quote:
Originally Posted by FFGuevara
Maybe they thought it was a present. You know, for their birthday. Suddenly, it was everyone's birthday...Quote:
Why won't you pay the debt? Why is it illegitimate? Didn't we give you the money?
was that a joke war angel? i'm sorry i missed the funny part in 30,000 dead africans. oh yeah i see it. debt is something to laugh about. 30,00 dead kids is a laughing matter after all. and america's part in this is all a bit of fun.
"Why won't you pay the debt? Why is it illegitimate? Didn't we give you the money?" yes but then you add 600% interest on to that loan and you see why it is impossible to pay off. and that interest grows yearly. it's not a matter of paying back the loan. that has been done. it's a matter of paying back expotential interest.
meanwhile the rest of the world sits back laughs and eats it's subsidies no tarrif food while it sanctions and taxes the rest of the world.
that kind of injustice, greed and arrogance is why ffguevara is being trained in weapons and why i took it upon myself to learn them. at one point this system will need to be ended. how it ends is the world's choice. but injustice and death on a genocidal scale needs to be ended and soon.
Oh, for the Force's sake. They KNEW about the 600% interest when they agreed to the damn loan.
The system we have now is the ONLY viable system. Live with it, and stop listening to John Lennon and other pot-smoking hippie losers. Those kinds of people don't accomplish a damn thing. Or, as Auron would say, your fate is in your hands. No one else's.
This talk kills my inner child.
Why the hell are you learning to make weapons!? that is just odd. Like others here, I learned the formula for an atom bomb, but I still think its off to teach kids how to make such feasable weapons.
Cloud, I think it was inappropriate of us to draw up such terms, inhumane even. It was even dumber for the idiot that signed the damn thing.
Bipper
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Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
whoa whoa whoa, chill it man this isn't the thread to talk about debt or Africa (don't take offense you just sound really pissed off). Anyway I don't see the point in it, sure it's good to learn but what if some mad maniac uses them?
the 600% interest works like this.
these countries take out the loan. most for defence (or attack). for obvious reasons this money isn't able to be paid back immediatly as fighting wars doesn't bring in the money when you are importing everything needed to fight it.
so the interest kicks in. and it's high. the country though is now recovering from a war and so still has problems to face before it can pay back the loan. so the interest and amount grows again (interest upon interest). to successfully pay back a now very large loan the countries must industrialise or get more effecient but this requires more money. which they don't have. in fact they now have less money because the banks are now taking money out.so your country stagnates and grows poorer.
but you still ain't keeping up with the loan repayments so the amount owed grows and grows. and still you have no money to reform. and so this process goes on til you are in nigeria's situation of having paid back the loan many times over but still owing far more.
expotential interest is one of the reasons (beside subsidies/tarriffs and lack of aid) is why 30,000 children died yesterday, today and will die tomorrow.
and if wanting to end that for the sake of loans that have alread been paid back and money earned many times is getting all john lennon then forgive me.
but i for one will not be part of the most effecient genocide this world has ever seen. you may be content with that.
Because we're considering it redemption money for the Totalitarian/Fascist Goverment they installed here in the 60's which lasted untill the mid 80's. And during these classes we actually practice the production of these weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by ?????
...okay, so we smurfed up. But if we just randomly let people not pay back loans, they're going to get the idea that they can take advantage of us. No wait, they already have that idea. I'd like to get rid of it.
Edit: I hate the word filter.
And I hate when you go around it -eestlinc
Take advantage of you? After about a century of oppression i'd expect someone from my side of the fence to say that. And it's not just Brazil its all the Latin American countries. The United States has stole from us that was no mistake. But making some excuse like you didnt mean to install Fascism here is bull. Mistake or not we deserve redemption. Thank god we have a powerful army or we'd be in war right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ?????
Go to Buddy Christ, then, and don't complain about the freaking loans you can't pay back.Quote:
Mistake or not we deserve redemption.
Right, so powerful, you have to train civilians in the making and usage of chemical weapons. :rolleyes2Quote:
Thank god we have a powerful army or we'd be in war right now.
Who's buddy? And we can pay back the loan back if we want. But we figured that we shouldent after everything they've done to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
Cant be to cocky with just Military alone.Quote:
Right, so powerful, you have to train civilians in the making and usage of chemical weapons. :rolleyes2
What can we do? Seriously? So many people hate us (the US) and it seems freaking hopeless to care. The machine is running, set on its course, and there are not enough operators who give two cents about our forign policy. America is screwed up! I FREAKING agree. I don't think having a billion posts blaming and flaming are gonna do a whole lot, except piss americans off.
Honestly, the foreign representation is acting like a buncha kicking and screaming two year olds. I don't mean the people on this forum mind you, but those whom man forign enteties (The UN included) seem to have such a demand for things to change in a moment, it is just unreal.
Granted, it all sucks, but no matter how much pull the US has, implimentation never comes easy. As any foreign policy happens, it will take time.
I still find it interesting to hear that you are actually making chemical weapons in school. This is a sad day indeed. I don't mean that you are doing it, but rather, that people feel you need to do this in school. I think (if this is indeed true) it brings up a startling issue for the US. Fixing the Worlds that we screwed up is indeed our obligation. If that is the way the cookie crubles, I for one will be a man, fogive the loan (or settle for less- dependant on the circumstances), and step up to aid where we can. That is if, this is all indeed true. I would need more proof than a rant on a forum (no disrespecct intended).
My line of though is, if America has indeed done the crime, we have to wrong our rights.
Bipper
A century? LOL. Just...LOL.
I'm beginning to think that this is just a troll with a sense of humor. Yeah, that's what people said about me, but all I really want to do is live my life without having to worry about people blowing me into many, many pieces.
Most of the time, other countries are the ones doing the stealing; damn looters are always expecting aid and never paying it back. What we need to do is start refusing loans left and right. We don't have a moral obligation to help those less fortunate. Suggesting that we do is the moral equivalent of putting a gun to our head and demanding money.
Yup a century ever since the fall of the Brazilian Empire. As for other Latin American countries you can look it up yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by ?????
So i'm a troll? For expressing my opinions and for speaking the TRUTH?Quote:
I'm beginning to think that this is just a troll with a sense of humor. Yeah, that's what people said about me, but all I really want to do is live my life without having to worry about people blowing me into many, many pieces.
Those Jihads attacked the United States because you are trying to enforce Capitalism on them when they dont want it. Which is wrong you cannot force your idealoligy on other people.
Maybe if you never stole anything they would of never needed loans. How come the United States became so rich? And how did all the other countries become so unfortunate to get nothing naturally? What is happing in Iraq is exactlly what has happened in other countries. You guys are stealing their Oil , installed a goverment (In which you dictate them) and when that goverment disolve's and a new goverment is in. They need money and where do they get the money? See what i mean, To make a clear as long as Capitailism exist's there wont never be a world free of Poverty, Hunger and Opression.Quote:
Most of the time, other countries are the ones doing the stealing; damn looters are always expecting aid and never paying it back. What we need to do is start refusing loans left and right. We don't have a moral obligation to help those less fortunate. Suggesting that we do is the moral equivalent of putting a gun to our head and demanding money.
Funny thing, teenagers spew their little hate speeches in the Middle East, or in Africa, and at the same time they eat at McDonald's and buy their Nike shoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by FFGuevara
You'd think the answer would hit them like a .44 but hey.
Yeah it sorta is, someone who has lived in these countries would really now.
We're not going to get a world that's free of suffering until we've discovered absolutely everything about everything, and maybe not even then. Do you have any idea how f**king long that's gonna take? And terrorists like yourself who are trying to tear down the most productive society in the world aren't going to speed the process.
The fall of the Brazilian Empire didn't have anything to do with us, and what you're speaking isn't the truth. It's a bunch of bull that your government's drilled into your head. The truth is that capitalism is the only way to go, because it's the only system that encourages people to better themselves. You know whose fault it is that you had to take out loans in the first place? Yours. You don't have any business blaming anyone but yourselves. We didn't steal from you or anyone else. You agreed to indebt yourselves to us. This is the price you pay if you don't follow through with your end of the bargain. We got rich because we understand that. Everything you've said, you've spoken like a true looter, and a terrorist, to boot. But you could at least make the effort to be a good terrorist. But instead of being discrete in your operations, you've decided to be a moron and proclaim your crusade to the world. Hell, you can't even do that right; instead of getting your message out on highly trafficked websites, you come to some random Final Fantasy forum that no one except its denizens cares about. I mean, Jesus H. Christnuggets. I think I'll inform the moderators of your little tirade so the site staff can forward your registration information to the FBI.
Edit: I have reported you to Cid via PM and requested that he report you to the United States government, which he is obligated by law to do.
A world without any Poverty that is balanced would be a Communist world. But for Communism to work we need to bright about Socailism first that's the kind of world i want. I dont want to live in a world where only a handfull of countries are great while all the others are horrible. Is that what you call the most productive society in the world?Quote:
Originally Posted by ?????
I never said it had anything to do with the United states all i said was the United States started to screw us over after are Empire collapsed. And the truth is you have been deceived by your goverment. You believe the usa is a "ray of hope" for other countries but in reality its a money hungry corporate empire. The truth is Capitailism isnt the only thing that works. Capitialism is about money and succession. Which drive's people into stealing,killing and pirating. And WAR over meaningless things such as oil (Iraq war).Quote:
The fall of the Brazilian Empire didn't have anything to do with us, and what you're speaking isn't the truth. It's a bunch of bull that your government's drilled into your head. The truth is that capitalism is the only way to go, because it's the only system that encourages people to better themselves.
Not to mention the FBI has no jursdication over Brazil. I just simply made some topic about people's opinion on something and YOU blow it out of porportion. How is it my falt that your goverment installed Dictatorships and Totalitarian Goverments. Which in return they give you all are resource's. And why? Just because are president at that time wanted to do some trading with Soviet Russia just because of that you guys had to fund some Fascist party that overthrew are goverment. You got rich because your stole Resource's from over 3 continent's and installed many American Media and Consumer outlets all around the world. Thats how you became rich. Then you pin a country into a position where they have to take a loan. And end up paying many more times that. You guys became rich by stealing.Quote:
You know whose fault it is that you had to take out loans in the first place? Yours. You don't have any goddamn business blaming anyone but yourselves. We didn't steal jack from you or anyone else. You agreed to indebt yourselves to us. This is the price you pay if you don't follow through with your end of the bargain. We got rich because we understand that. Everything you've said, you've spoken like a true lazy-ass looter bastard, and a terrorist, to boot. But you could at least make the effort to be a good terrorist. But instead of being discrete in your operations, you've decided to be a moron and proclaim your crusade to the world. Hell, you can't even do that right; instead of getting your message out on highly trafficked websites, you come to some random Final Fantasy forum that no one except its denizens cares about. You could have at least hijacked Google or something. I mean, Jesus H. Christnuggets. I think I'll inform the moderators of your little tirade so the site staff can forward your registration information to the FBI.
And a terrorist just so you know is someone who targets innocent civilians. Have a killed any innocent civilians? No i didnt.
You are imperialist you invaded Iraq and Afganistan to install capitalism. Thats imperialism.Quote:
But, for all your intellectual deficiencies and blatant incompetence, at least you can take solace in the fact that you're right about one thing; we ARE selfish. And rest assured that if your government was half as cocky as you are, you would perhaps be justified in calling us imperialists, namely because we'd be invading you right this second.
*edit* the funny part is i have broken no american law. Where is this freedom of speech you claim? where? And seriouslly what can the United states goverment do to me while i'm in BRAZIL. I live in BRAZIL not the United states. And what have i done wrong? I've made no threats of attacks whatsoever so even if i did live in the us nothing would happen to me.
I could make a statement on your grammar and spelling skills right now, but it's really not worth the effort.
It doesn't really matter where you are; the FBI can track you driving underwater to India. It also doesn't matter whether you've killed civilians or not. The fact is that you've made terroristic threats against America. That alone is reason enough to warrant your incarceration and extradition to the United States for trial, along with the rest of your corrupt socialist government. Freedom of speech does NOT include the right to threaten my life or anyone else's, which is what you have done.
In a Communist world, there would be nothing BUT poverty. To make all mankind equal, all must suffer equally. It goes against human nature, which is, above all else, to survive and to improve oneself.
The U.S. is a ray of hope for other countries precisely because it is a money-hungry capitalist empire. And yes, we are the most productive and richest society in the world. The fact that many other countries are third-world is largely not our concern. Our only concern right now is making sure that threats to our society and security, such as yourself, are locked up in a place where they are never allowed to hurt our society.
Dont simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by ?????
:rolleyes2 ok now your clearly lieing. Brazil is a semi superpower you cant just waltz in here and just take one of are citizens without any questions. And you think their going to care about some communist? They dont care about communist's anymore.Quote:
It doesn't really matter where you are; the FBI can track you driving underwater to India.
Excuse me? When did i make a threat that i was going to do something to the United states? You are now clearly flaming. And making stuff up, you call my goverment corrupt? Look at yours its the rise of the Third reich all over again.Quote:
It also doesn't matter whether you've killed civilians or not. The fact is that you've made terroristic threats against America. That alone is reason enough to warrant your incarceration and extradition to the United States for trial, along with the rest of your corrupt socialist government. Freedom of speech does NOT include the right to threaten my life or anyone else's, which is what you have done.
Now thats pure bs right they're. First read a book about communism before making a comment about communism ok? Untill then dont even speculate nothing about it.Quote:
In a Communist world, there would be nothing BUT poverty. To make all mankind equal, all must suffer equally. It goes against human nature, which is, above all else, to survive and to improve oneself.
Oh and how am i a threat? Because i'm a communist? You claim i'm a terrorist but you yourself act much more of a terrorist.Quote:
The U.S. is a ray of hope for other countries precisely because it is a money-hungry capitalist empire. And yes, we are the most productive and richest society in the world. The fact that many other countries are third-world is largely not our concern. Our only concern right now is making sure that threats to our society and security, such as yourself, are locked up in a place where they are never allowed to hurt our society.
...you just don't get it.
I'm through. I'm through trying to get you to see reason. I have better things to do, which I should have been doing an hour ago.
this is going nowhere.