I personally think that this is rather worrying. Powerful leaders should try and not be too influenced by religion IMO.
Religious crusades seem too archaic for this modern day society.
Scary.
Chaos
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I personally think that this is rather worrying. Powerful leaders should try and not be too influenced by religion IMO.
Religious crusades seem too archaic for this modern day society.
Scary.
Chaos
I agree.....
First off, that's pure hearsay.
Secondly, it's disturbing, but not very surprising.
I strangely find that fricking hillarious, excuses.
Bush is just a nutter with power and no brain.
come on saying a higher being of existence told him to do bad, that cannot be right.
He was probably smoking grass again.
I sincerely doubt that the Christian god told Bush to start a smurfing bloodbath in the middle east.
Wouldn't being told to start a war by God qualify as hearing voices? And doesn't hearing and acting upon such "voices" generally get people omitted to Mental Wards?
That's just lovely. My president is a loony.
exactly, it's just one hell of a crap excuse thats bound to get him into deep crap.
god says lots of silly things. "go kill your son", "don't kill your son", "i'll destroy the city", "i wont destroy the city if one good man resides there","*destroys city*".
I think his words have been twisted alot in that article.
Satan talked to god as well. I don't think even if Bush talked to God, his aproval would go up much. It is kind of hilarious to hear, but I guess, I can't jump up here and say its not true. Improbable for sure though :)
Now, when God spoke in the OT, he shows up as a Burning Bush - and bush is getting flamed recently, hrmmm...... :p
Bipper
i keep telling you that man and his cabinet need to go.
we have a man who hears god and a group of guys signed to the idea of world control in charge of the most powerful (and uses it) nation on earth.
and then you laugh at me when i say they need to be got rid of......... yeah.
You don't think other leaders have had their own type of faith?
bush haters yall couldnt say that in TX this is bush country baby...lol
Well, yeah, but he doesn't get to have one, 'cause he's Bush, and he's the stupid president of the stupid America. Stupid.Quote:
You don't think other leaders have had their own type of faith?
:rolleyes2:
Yes, we all know Bush is a Christian. Why are you all so worried about that fact?
Kinda remindes me of the "son of sam" case.
EOFF would run America better than Bush.
He needs to sod off and get someone sane into power.
That person should be me...
Bush reminds me of Kefka. He's evil, horrible and insane, yet hillarious.
I'm not worried about Bush having a religion at all. Its his choice as it is everyones choice if they follow a religion. However, there is a time and a place for everything and it is my belief that religion should be kept out of world affairs...even domestic affairs given we live in an increasing multicultural society. Too many people have too many conflicting beliefs for one person to attempt to use their religion in policy making. It causes too many problems. You don't even have to of studied much history to know the strife it can cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty
I believe that this should apply to all world leaders, not just Bush.
Chaos
and what if the little god in his head says "wipe out all the arabs" "nuke canada" you need to be very careful when a president starts saying the god in his head told him to do stuff.
and fighting war for religion makes a mess of things. the crusades, the cathlolic/protestant thing. is very messy.
America is stupid only because Bush is. Yay! Both my president and my governor (George Pataki) are idiotic money-wasters!Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
If that's the case, I'm moving to Mexico. >_<Quote:
Originally Posted by Alive-Man
*puts on sombrero and joins a mariachi band*
"When you talk to God it's religion, but when God talks to you it's schizophrenia. . "
Of course they do. They just don't shove it down our throats.Quote:
You don't think other leaders have had their own type of faith?
i'll tell you one thing, he wont make it past his second term, he'll et impeachedQuote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
No president can make it past their 2nd term as that is all they can serve...DUH!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh of Legends
i meant through
That will not happen either. His party controls both parts of congress.
Sad, but true.Quote:
That will not happen either. His party controls both parts of congress.
then how the hell are we suppose to kick him out?
You can't. As I understand American politics anyway.
You just gotta hope he doesn't do much crusading till his term ends. Or if he does, hope its sufficiently nasty to get him impeached by his own party, but obviously, not nasty enough to warrent wholesale destruction for mankind. :p
Chaos
knowing him its gonna warrent wholesale destruction for mankind
That's what I'm afraid of.....
Chaos
Leading by a moral code based off of your faith and "listening to the little god in [one's] head" aren't the same thing. I'm not saying it's the most reassuring thing ever, but I honestly do feel that Bush's faith is blown WAY out of proportion. He's not Jeanne d'Arc saying God told him to smite the evil doers.
And if he ever did do that, do you really think the American people would stand by and let it happen? And I'm talking seriously, don't bring up the election, because whether anyone chooses to believe it or not, he was voted in by more than just the Christians.
I just don't understand why it's scary that he's religious. Clinton went to church every Sunday, y'know. JFK talked about God in his statements. All President's do it. All Presidents have done it.
I just don't see what the big deal is.
foa summed up everything I wanted to say in this thread. Thank you.
I disagree with many things done under the Bush administration, but there's no way in hell Bush is going to be impeached, not even talking about getting a conviction (impeached != getting kicked out of office).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh of Legends
EDIT:
This is the same American people, mind you, that want God to be taught as science. I used to think they were in an overwhelming minority, but stupidity cannot exist unless in numbers.Quote:
And if he ever did do that, do you really think the American people would stand by and let it happen?
Wouldn't that be an underwhelming minority?
morality is godless.
and it's not his religion that is worrying. it's that he hears voices which is just a little odd.
Hmm, from what I have seen (and I don't claim to of 'seen' a lot, I'm just looking at the situation as your average forigner, reading the British press etc) Bush seems to be pulling a lot of Fundamentalist Christian things on the adgenda, the Evolution/Creation Theory in schools and this God-talkee thing being but examples. I also heard stories of enforced programs of abstinance and making teenagers take 'purity pledges' in Texas to stop sex before marridge. I dont know if this is Bush or what, but it still seems a bit odd to me. Anyway, yeah, as I stated I disagree with someone in power pressing their religion on others seeing as a large part of America's population arn't Christian.
Chaos
No. That is an untrue statement. A more accurate statement would be morality can be independant from god.Quote:
morality is godless.
morality is independant from god. christain morals are human morals and are not part of the christain faith but of human morality. that's why all religions have the same morals really.
fraud is bad in christainity, theft is bad in hindhuism, adultery is bad in budhism, rape is bad in juadism, murder is made in islam, shintoism ain't too happy about beating up old ladies in the street either. atheists aren't that welcoming of genocide either. (generally)
Most disturbing.It's just another example of a deranged, power hungry leader using religion to pursue their own agendas.
Looks like he's trying to start a Holy War to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by fire_of_avalon
Well lets see. Bush is an idiot lol if god tells him to goto war. You know its Dick Cheney in a air vent posing as God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaos
$20 says Bush is trying to look like a dumbass.
There would be some sort of debate here--if man's concept of God existed, that is.
/rude Sephex
That is utterly uncalled for here.
Bipper
Why? Did I flame anyone? Did I pick on a memeber here? I certainly didn't imply that I was making fun of anyone. And my comment was on topic. I have a right to believe that man's concept of God isn't accurate. I was creatively saying that I think it's pointless to argue an issue over something that doesn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by bipper
Yes you have a right to belive. For the sake of this thread, it was simply saying the Bush can indeed talk to GOD. It seems like another idiotic blow at christianity... agian :rolleyes2 Its old, and I am really frankly sick of it. Its once thing to hold a bleif, but to jump all over in forums and post it in any misconstrued way is completley annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephex
Yes Bush talks to what he belives is GOD; please keep the conversation on this, instead of jumping in and starting an argument that does not belong here... [EDIT]*I would personally call it trolling*[/EDIT] kthx
Bipper
Fine. I believe that it is pointless for Bush to talk to an invisible man in the sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by bipper
EDIT: That, and I feel incredibly uncomfortable with the fact that a man can decide American's fate based on a 2,000 year old book that was written by many people with conflicting opinions.
EDIT2: I don't take that many shots at religion. In most threads about religion, I don't post.
talking to god is okay. having god talk to you is questionable. having the god in your head tell you to start wars seems like messiah complex to me.
Ironically, the messiah (Jesus) never heard things from God, whilst others have been told to start holy wars.
Kind of because he is GOD? Ever heard of the Holy Trinity God, His Son, and the Holy GhostQuote:
Originally Posted by Hachifusa
Don't let's get started on religious games, please. Heh.
I will mention just once - that's no reason, according to the Bible. When Jesus was on the cross, he looked up to the heavens and shouted, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachtani", or, "My god, my god, why have you forsaken me?"
So he was pretty creepily schizophrenic, if he was god.
Well the crusades didn't start because it was the christain thing to do. It really was because during the dark ages. Daily life in Europe was brutal and harsh with no passion for human life. Sackings,burnings,raids, killing,pillagings. Had always happened. Violent warfares. Now Europe at the tim was literally tearing each other apart. So The church set up a few rules. That didn't work for long. so thye had to think of a way to take everyone's mind off of killing each other. So they started the crusades. Worked out for awhile. Anyway when they took Jerusalem, and Palestine. They were pretty much like an island surrounded by enemies.Yeah lets not get into that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hachifusa
Also if oyu think about it. They didn't even have the supply train in the dark ages yet when the roman empire nad hell even in Alexander's time. Armies used the Supplie and Chain methods.
So WTF? happened to human's during the middle ages?
Oh yeah. The poor must stay ignorant and must not learn to read or think outside the box. While hte nobles and rich could. Works out for awhile but there was no advancement. Just repression.
anyway yeah Bush sucks
The summation of the posts on EotW.Quote:
Originally Posted by lordblazer
Personally I hope Bush didn't talk to God just because I would like to think that my God doesn't deal with such idiots. But for the "political leaders shouldn't have a strong backing in religion", perhaps you are right because religion has caused many problems. Hell the entire crusades were based upon religion and so is the war over Jerusalem. But I belive that political leaders should have faith and lots of it. I would be very scared to see someone with that amount of power not believe in some form of a god. History has told us many times that when power reaches the hands of a faithless man tyranny is soon to follow.
For some reason I was speaking to my Driving instructor about this and he said "Well, it makes sense....if there is a God and he wanted to talk to someone to get something done, then it's logical he'd speak to one of the most - if not the most powerful - man on the planet."
Hmm. Still, for all we know Bush may of heard God say it. Bush may of thought he heard someone mention it. Bush may of been telling porkies when he met the Palestinian leader...but whatever, I still think its poor form for a leader to lead in whatever direction a voice tells him. Oh well.
Chaos
You know, if god really said something to him there would be no reason for him to tell us. I mean as it is it appears he is using it as an excuse. And also isn't his approval down to 37% now? oh wow, that is low.
"Hello God?"
"Yes it's me."
"You want me to what, God? Insert a spork into Bush's where?!"
"Okay, you're the boss... let me go find one."
See, I can talk to God too, and God is telling me that Bush is a smurfing retard.
And you know what? It's all true!
Bush really is a smurfing retard because God says so.
I could see a God wanting a president to battle for peace, but if said God did that, president probably executed the mission wrong.
Regardless, God only speaks to the PoPe. It's catholic fact.
This is where I get all screwed up. The holy spirit is responsible for moving people; granted that the holy spirit IS part of the divine trinity, it is not propriatory to the Pope. It says this all over the Bible, and the Catholic religion does recognise this. They also recognise not to worship false gods, and yet they pray to saints. It all worries me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dignified Pauper
As far as God speaking to Bush, I would believe it; as bringing peace to the middle east is a stepping stone for revelations. Prehaps this is what Bush is gunning for in all of this. /sigh
bipper
Which one of the Four Horsemen is he, then?Quote:
Originally Posted by bipper
He's the fifth horseman, Stupidity. The others don't like to talk about him much.
And what's so wrong with the Revelations. It's 1000 years of peace on earth.... then earth goes kaput. Surely, by the end of that reign, we'll have found new planets to sit around on.
*snort*
Pwnd.
....Quote:
Originally Posted by udsuna
Doesn't sound like much fun to me :( Maybe it's not God bush is talking too :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Revelation 20-1:3 NIV
Honestly, I think that needed to be said. Nice uninformed pwned though... *snort* ;)
This simply says that the serpent (satan or w/e)twill be locked for a thousand years... his influence is erased .. then:
theory supported?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Revelation 20:7-10 NIV
Bipper
If you record Bush saying his name onto a record, and play it backwards...
The sound made is similar to the Hebrew for "I AM SATAN. ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US".
I've been staying out of this thread because the premise is pretty ridiculous. But hey, apparently that needs to be pointed out. You all appear to forget that Palestinians reaaaaallly don't like America (Who support Israel, after all.), and they're not stupid; they know what to say to alienate the US.
Though they don't know how to say it believably.Quote:
"President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"
Bah, we'll be fine as long as we can throw the Ring of Power into the fires of Mt. Doom in time.Quote:
When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth -- Gog and Magog -- to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
:D :D :DQuote:
Bah, we'll be fine as long as we can throw the Ring of Power into the fires of Mt. Doom in time.
G to google, type in failure and hit "i'm feeling lucky"
Yes, it is quite funny. Anyhow, wasn't the book of revelations derived from the writer's visions (some way of justifying the story if it hasn't occured yet). The whole "taking messages from god" theme has been prevalent throughout history, along with the "armageddon is imminent" spiel.
The New Testament is nothing more than a badly written Old Testament fanfic.
God is written totally out of character and Jesus is such a Mary-Sue it makes you vomit.
Usually, I absolutely hate Christian-bashing jokes, but this one was so damned hilarious that I laughed outloud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Light Mage
Rock on.
I ain't laughing in the least. I think its funny how so many people, who obviously know so little about a religion, or the new testement, get such a joy out of bashing it. This joke makes me wonder of you had even read the OT and the NT while applying even an once of thought :rolleyes2
Revelations was writend by John, while he was on his exile on the island of Patmos. The Revelation 1:1 makes it clear that God had sent an angel to his servent John. The whole thing is really not as rediculous as some people make it sound. Actually, it is quite relivent to modern life. Of course, talking to God has been brought up across time. Seeing how, as faith suggests it, GOD is the highest power = it is only obvious that those who wanted people to belive they had ultimate power, would say they have God on thier side. This is dubbed as using God's name in vain.Quote:
revelations derived from the writer's visions (some way of justifying the story if it hasn't occured yet).
If you look at the state of the (possible) decline(?) of our world, you may see some good points made in revelations. These points may seem obvious to us now, but to an aged man exiled on an island, these concepts were prolly not somthing that he thought much aboutm nor could really contemplate. It has a lot to do with the easy fact that when you see somthing happen, the cause could make sence to you; To forcast a cause and effect is a lot more difficult.
Bipper
:lol: Pretty funny.Quote:
G to google, type in failure and hit "i'm feeling lucky"
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Originally Posted by bipper
personally, I think God speaks to everyone, in some form or another. Regardless, I seriously doubt Bush is a man of God. He puts people of attrocious reputations in office, people with little political experience, and people who are just plain Shady. I will be glad when 2008 comes.
Though, my theory of the Pope is that he is the walking marionette of God. God sits in heaven with strings attached to the PoPe. It's wonderful.
I'm gonna use this "god told me so" excuse more often since it's, somehow, working for Bush.
Can you say in-house impeachment when it drops below 25%Quote:
Originally Posted by ShunNakamura
I'm keeping my fingers crossed. :mad:Quote:
Can you say in-house impeachment when it drops below 25%