What are your thoughts on Satanism? In particular i'd like to hear from Christians. I'll add my thoughts later.
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What are your thoughts on Satanism? In particular i'd like to hear from Christians. I'll add my thoughts later.
I know nothing about it, but I do know that it doesn't really mean worshiping Satan. People deserve the right to believe whatever the hell they want without being persecuted by some angry idiot christian who think it's okay to use the bible to justify his hate.
A lot of the beliefs of modern satanists seem rather healthy to me.
I've been on the Church Of Satan website loads of times, and they believe Satan is more a belief than an actual person. It's pretty logical stuff.
Live long, and prosper.
I enjoy the fact that when I saw this there was 666 threads in EotW. lol
Rofl, that was the first thing I noticed too. "666 threads"...."Satanism". Good times.
This WAS the 666th thread in EoTW. :} I do believe they have some good ideas, but also lack a bit of restraint. I'll elaborate more later.
*edit* Damn, someone noticed the 666 before me. :D
.opt
satanism is a very logical religion when you read about it for the first time. basically, its self-workshiping, a cult to egocentrism with a sense of responsability. BUT as you read further and further you'll find that it is actually kind of, dare i say, silly.
Yeah, Satanism is very self worshiping, and very opposed to confomaty. Glutonous and immoral in Christain eyes. Now I know that there are indeed a lot of Christains whom do not follow the teachings of Christ very well, but that is beside the point.
From what I have read on Satanism, is the worship of a Devil like creature is mainly a symbolic manifestation of the inner primative feelings of yourself. Sex, Murder, Lust, Hate, Greed, Pain, etc. The symbol of Satan is not supposed to exact a diety, but represent oneself.
My personal feelings of the religon? I have no love for it. They do have enduring practices that offer spiritual advancement and some include self injury or pain endurance (according to a show I watched on the histroy channel just a few months ago). It seems very odd, and seems like a way for one to lead themselves into a very dark spiritual life.
Now, I have only read a little on the religon, and have watched a few documenteries, so I am no real expert. I simply have enough to form my surface opinion, and it just seemed really dark. Though there is no Satan Diety, it would seem as though the spirit of the biblically described Satan is very much alive in the religon.
I also have read that Satan was hebrew for "Opposer" but I belive that War Angel had corrected me on that, but now I forget what it meant :( *kicks self*
Of course, any corrections are welcome, but I think my facts are fairly solid, from what I have watched/read.
Bipper
The basic premise is "an eye for an eye" rather than "turn the other cheek." Seems fine to me.
Actually, Santanism would rather have you excersize your anger on metephroical objects. Like a picture, or somthing that reminded you of your oponent. Some differ from focusing your though energy to pasting the pic on a punching bag and having at.
This really does nothing but builds more rage. Excersing rage is like excersizing a mussle, it will just grow stronger, until you over burdened by it.
An eye for an eye is rarely just. As we often see, revenge has a tendancy to be taken too far. It takes an extremly unbiased point of view, to exact revenge or even judge correctly. At least, that is my view. So why not let God be the judge eh?
Bipper
I like it when the little goth kids are like "omg I am satanist" and I laugh.
I think that Anton LaVey's "The Satanic Bible" has some bright commentary on how human beings work, and on how we should work. I think it's kind of silly to call it Satanism, though. Why can you just call is self worship...ism?
It's just another theological text to be examined and then judged from person to person.
Really? That's not how it was when I studied it. I specifically remember reading "an eye for an eye." I only studied it briefly for a class though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bipper
i think satanism suck because all the people who do it i bet u if satan showed up they would s*&$t a brick and he wouldnt be to friendly.....
foa wins at the internets. <3Quote:
Originally Posted by fire_of_avalon
I really have no opinion on it. It's a religion I don't dislike (which is rare because the only other religion I know of that I don't really dislike is Indian Buddhism ((not the Chinese manipulated version that opresses women)), because it's not oppressing anyone or manipulating people, but it's not something I particular have love for.
I find it interesting though. Then again, I find theology interesting. I don't like most religions, as I have said, but they interest me to no end. But Satanish, Wiccanism (is it called that? I dunno) interest me the most. Judaism is also a very interesting religon, the history to it is amazing.
I am a bit offended you listed Judaism in the same sentence along with the two others.Quote:
But Satanish, Judaism and Wiccanism (is it called that? I dunno) interest me the most.
Anyway, my opinion... I don't care much for the actual 'religion', but I do care for the arses who claim to practice. And yes, every single one I've met or heard of thus far, who claimed to be a Satanist, was a bastard. Seems logicall, when Satanism is a faith that revolves around egocentrism, violence, extreme self-fulfillment against all odds, and general hate for society and the enviorment.
i cant believe some people think theres no afterlife obliviously they never use their BRAIN!!!!!
I don't mean it to be offensive. I just find the Judaism fascinating. The history to it is amazing. Anyways, I've fixed it.
Wicca is bullcrap.
.opt
No hard feelings, lassie, 'tis perfectly alright. :) If there's anything you'd like to know, understand or whatever, feel free to PM me. I might have some answers... and if not, my friends will. :)Quote:
I don't mean it to be offensive. I just find the Judaism fascinating. The history to it is amazing. Anyways, I've fixed it.
A bull's feaces are a product of its digestry system. That makes more sense than Wicca.Quote:
Wicca is bullcrap.
So its fine to bash other religions now? >_>;
In any case i find nothing wrong with it, go ahead if thats what you believe in. *shrug*
Yay for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackline77
Anyway, satanism is not a religion, it's a religious cult and they do not worship Satan, devil worshippers do. Satan isn't really a deity either as Christianity(1+1+1=1), Judaism(atleast nowadays) and Islam are all monotheistic religions and the OT is the origin of Satan.
I really hope that wasn't serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
Hasn't it always been? xPQuote:
Originally Posted by lionx
Anyone who wants to find out more should check out the Church Of Satan website, it's really interesting. I personally respect the views and opinions of the religion, allthough I do not believe in Satanism, I probably abide by their way of life, because I believe a lot of the stuff they say, like treat others with respect, but if they don't respect you, destroy them :D
But Cidism is the religion for me! :up:
I don't agree with it, and I don't know why people would wish to worship evil, and I think that my being friends with a satanist would be difficult, but thats because I'm a Christian so we'd be friends with completely opposite views. I'd also feel I was being unfaithful to my God. I don't hate satanists, I just don't understand them at all. I try not to hate anybody though.
People can believe what they want to believe. Who am I to judge.
Is there a Satanist at eyes on ff? That'd be interesting...
Satanism isn't about worshipping evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Little Miss Awesome
satanism is weird......my advice to anyone is stay away from it......messing with the unknown is strange
Why would it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alive-Man
Because then the dogs would know if the cats where going to kiss the daisies, EVERYONE knows that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelda
Isn't that what religion is all about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guitar from blackness
ever since watching all these haunting in conneticut shows and stuff....i dont think about that stuff....too creepy
I am not a Satanist, but I have done research on it, including interviewing Satanist, (for Comparative Religions class). It is very "eye for eye" and symbolic at the same time. If someone hurts their feelings, they may, so something back, or do a "spell" to hurt that person. They may take a picture of that person and burn it, poke holes in with a needle, etc. (almost like a voodoo doll). They are very self-serving. They only care about what they want, and do it when they want. I would tend to call them "Hedonists" before I call them "Satanists".....
Also, Those who think Wicca is stupid; please remember that what helps one person sleep at night, may be dumb to someone else. Please be more sensitive.....
Satanists don't worship evil. In fact, there is alot in it that I agree with.Quote:
I don't agree with it, and I don't know why people would wish to worship evil, and I think that my being friends with a satanist would be difficult, but thats because I'm a Christian so we'd be friends with completely opposite views. I'd also feel I was being unfaithful to my God. I don't hate satanists, I just don't understand them at all. I try not to hate anybody though.
This is a pretty good source of information.
Define evil. I find the beliefs of satanism to be evil. Some find christiatity to be evil. Its all realative. I really dissagree with pretty much everything that satanism has to offer, as it is the polar opposite to the teachings of Christ. While it was not (supposedly) designed for this, that is how it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkLadyNyara
Bipper
Wait, your saying I'm stupid because I question something that so far has no real evidence? That doesn't really sound like idiocy.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackline77
Logic and religion don't mix. :DQuote:
Wait, your saying I'm stupid because I question something that so far has no real evidence? That doesn't really sound like idiocy.
Which is why I can have no religion. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DarkLadyNyara
Yeah, Satanism is just an individualistic ideal mixed with a malevolent tone and dark rituals. As a friend told me, it's Objectivism mixed with Satan Worship.
Seems pretty stupid to me. And I am allowed to think religion in general is stupid, and that doesn't make me closed-minded, thanks.
Satanism should not be taken seriously by anyone....
Then tell your friend that he is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hachifusa
I read it, for the record, and it was a joke. More or less. Pretty accurate.
Satanism, as it were, is very much about individualism. The idea that WE human beings are purely responsible for our own selves. We create our own heavens and hells, we exact our own justice, we define our own existance. Some are strong enough to do that, and they shall rule. Others are weak, and they shall be crushed under those stronger than them.
It's a curious philosophy. One that no society could truly hold on to.... humans are too much a pack/herd species. We can't stand alone, our numbers are our only true strength. Besides, to hold to it fully, one would have to refuse to take care of their own offspring, much less anyone else's.
I guess you could call it evil.
I use to follow Satanism quite a lot, and was well known in British Satanic circles.
Essentially, Satan is a metaphor for yourself, for if you take the definition of God as "the most important being in your life" then you would have to say that you are your own God, since there is no one more important in life than yourself.
It encourages moderate indulgence instead of abstinance, exploring sexuality and the delights of life and so on. "Responsibility to the responsible" is also a very important maxim in Satanism.
Satanism has "Sins". The no.1 sin being "stupidity". Satanists hate stupid people.
It worked for me when I was younger (around 17-20 years old), but now I'm a wee bit older, I see the world differently. Satanist almost encourages a single human to live on a self-sustaining island, if you like, where I realised that you can't go through life without interacting with people. You can't help it. Humans are social creatures. So if you're gunna interact with people, might as well do it in a way that makes people feel better.
That's the train of thought that lead me to Buddhism which is what I study now.
Anymore questions on Satanism, feel free to ask.
:D
I oppose the philosophy.
I believe that whatever you spend more time wanting, you'll just want more. So if you spend time indulging in a desire, it doesn't go away, it gets bigger. If you like to go shopping, then you'll want to spend more of your free time shopping and buying. You won't reach a point at which you'll say "I've had enough sex", or "I have enough junk". You feed a desire, it grows.
Another problem is the "smash the other cheek" mentality. That doesn't end the conflict. It makes things worse. Then the person who's cheek got smashed pulls out a .45 and blows off your head. Then your posse kills 3 members of his posse. This isn't good.
I'm personally more of a Confucian. But I suppose to each his own.
You sound very Buddhist I must say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnostic Yevon
I agree with you, however. Desire is like a fire. Indulge in it, and the fire grows stronger, demanding more and more fuel. The answer? Extinguish the fire... Nirvana...
*meditates*
:meditate:
Or we can go with my people's philosophy. That one must understand our minds, bodies and souls are seperate forces. Essentially three mutually exclusive beings forever meshed and blurred together to create humans. The object isn't to conquer, or to indulge, but to understand. And in understanding oneself, to find the answer that brings satisfaction without the mutually unnatural states of gluttony or self-imposed denial.
Satan is my lord and master. He gets a lot of bad press but he's just misunderstood. A bit like Cory Feldmann.
He introduced me to women, sex, drugs and alcohol. This God you speak of sounds dull.
Christians believe that, too. That's why we have things like sex being evil and virtue impossible on earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by udsuna
I am an Atheist so I don't care lol
question to satanists, or past ones
Why do you worship the devil, or whatever Satanisms god is, what does he promise.
Thanks......
I do not mean in a bad way.....
Satanism has no God, no diety. They live much for themselves.
Satan doesn't worship the devil, this is Christian propaganda invented centuries ago. People who practise this are referred to as "devil worshippers".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreddz
A Satanist worships oneself. Seeing himself as the most important person in their life, they take care of themselves and place their needs above everyone elses. They believe in being responsible, truthful, intelligent, indulging in one's desires (provided it harms no one else) and they avoid stupidity like the plague.
Satan will rise again!!!
Will he? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rinoa_Heartillly
Indeed! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinpachi Mishima
That's why this is counterfeit individualism. The true individual would not need other people, period. Satanists, the ones I met, put themselves above all others, in the sense that they would sacrifice everyone else's desires to their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinpachi Mishima
It's flawed, for all the same reasons that its opposite, Christianity, is.
I don't follow your point with satanism either. Its easily the most simple religion, as the concept of the worship is to fufil yourself. Albiet through power, eating, being healthy, gaining money - whatever. Satanists don't really care for other as stated above. They do not physically harm others though. They may focus all thier hatred and thoughts on them, or practice other forms of hate on thier enemies. Satanism does put the worshiper above everyone else, that does not nessasarally mean that they need other people to dominate over to fufill thier religion. Solitude may very well be one's objective.
Its polar, Christianity, is for the most part the teachings to take care of yourself bpth spiritually and physically. Christ's teachings were focused on an overtone of love, compassion, grace, and sympothy. I am really interested to see your opinion on how it is flawed though. If you get into some of the churches, I would agree that there are many rudimental flaws, but not as far as the basic teachings go.
If I may ask a personal question, are you of any religion, Hachi?:D
Bipper
Thank you, I am going to steal this phrase and use it as my own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hachifusa
It is flawed, I agree. No man is an island, and people depend on other people, whether you like it or not. No man can live in complete, independent solitude without bouncing off the walls eventually. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hachifusa
Gar. You people depress me.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
Satanism ranks just about as high as all the other religion(ish?)s. Not very high. I prefer to decide my own beliefs, rather than someone else telling me them.
Yeah, well that goes for most religions.Quote:
Satanism should not be taken seriously by anyone....
I don't agree with that. People indulge their desires all the time, but most can control it. If you deprive yourself, that can increase wanting something.Quote:
I believe that whatever you spend more time wanting, you'll just want more. So if you spend time indulging in a desire, it doesn't go away, it gets bigger. If you like to go shopping, then you'll want to spend more of your free time shopping and buying. You won't reach a point at which you'll say "I've had enough sex", or "I have enough junk". You feed a desire, it grows.
Can I quote that?Quote:
Satan is my lord and master. He gets a lot of bad press but he's just misunderstood. A bit like Cory Feldmann.
He introduced me to women, sex, drugs and alcohol. This God you speak of sounds dull.
When did he fall?:DQuote:
Satan will rise again!!!
When will he fall you say...hmm I guess when my grandma dies, but that won't be any time soon. :/
Well, yeah, you can control it to a degree, but the more you feed a desire, be it money, sex, or power, you'll develop a taste for it. You'll begin to savor the idea of more of it. You'll spend more and more time trying to get it. You'll give up on friendships for work, or stab a good friend in the back for more power.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkLadyNyara
It's part of why people who win the lottery end up in trouble (not all of them, but a good number). They can have anything they want. If they want a car, they go buy one. Bigger house, go get one. So they indulge every desire they have, or that their kids have. And it will never be enough. Plus they'll spend so much extra time worrying about keeping it.
I don't think that means that we should throw out all desire and become passionless. If you're talking about over-indulgence, then, sure, we should be careful of that. If I am willing to do almost anything for a friend and destroy my whole life in order to help my friend, then of course, that's bad. That doesn't mean that I should have no friends, however.
That's why I really dislike the principles of Buddhism. I don't think suffering derives from desire - directly. I think desire is a healthy aspect of life, and one that an individual should indulge in rationally. The goal in life should not be the non-life, I think.
Exactly. Life is ment to be lived. That doesn't mean go overboard. Frankly, I find that overindulging in something kills the pleasure.Quote:
That's why I really dislike the principles of Buddhism. I don't think suffering derives from desire - directly. I think desire is a healthy aspect of life, and one that an individual should indulge in rationally. The goal in life should not be the non-life, I think.
satanism, practiced as a lifestyle instead of a religion, is essentially just Objectivist philosphy with the mask of a religion. Take Objectivist philosophy "the world would be a better place and individuals would be infinitely more happy if they served their own interests first, instead of putting the will and good of the majority above your own" and add a few rituals and the general overtone of a religion, and it spits out satanism. frankly, i don't see the point in it. If you follow the principles anyway, you don't need the dark religious feel to it, unless you're just the type of person that likes having everyone go "OMG. thats the satanist... stay away."
Satan WORSHIP is an entirely different story. pointless, barbaric, retarded in the most extreme sense of the word. OMG. let's acknowledge that there is a prince of evil and a wholesome god, but lets worship this diety over here thats decietful, evil, and known by the NAME "prince of lies" and expect everything to be okay when he beats god and takes over the world. SURELY a guy like that would be loyal to his subjects and servants, once he is made the most powerful being in existance.
Seriously, how freaking dumb do you have to be.
The people who do this are just looking for attention.Quote:
Satan WORSHIP is an entirely different story. pointless, barbaric, retarded in the most extreme sense of the word. OMG. let's acknowledge that there is a prince of evil and a wholesome god, but lets worship this diety over here thats decietful, evil, and known by the NAME "prince of lies" and expect everything to be okay when he beats god and takes over the world. SURELY a guy like that would be loyal to his subjects and servants, once he is made the most powerful being in existance.
Seriously, how freaking dumb do you have to be.
That's what I said and was shot down for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SocietyzAntidote
Actually, there are a few "differences of opinion" between the two, and clearly "Satanism" doesn't go nearly in-depth as an actual philosophical ideal, but yeah, Satanism is essentially Objectivism blends with mysticism and pissed-off little kids.